Polish scientists ask UE for $ to build prototype nuclear powered gasoline factory.

[Asheren]

Polish scientists are working on new technology that will alow to produce Gasoline from coal using nuclear reactor in proces.

According to doctor Pienkowski from Warsaw University efficient nuclear-carbon technology will allow to produce gasoilie and some ohter products at price comparable to cost of obtaining it from normal sources. Normal factory would produce large amounts of CO2 and other waste. With high temp nuclear reactor CO2 emisions might be eliminated completly. Another resouce required for sythesis is Hydrogen. Heat generated by reactor would allow to easly produce required hydrogen. Oxygen a by product of reaction will be used to enhance electricy production in nearby Coal power plant. Buring coal in Oxygen atmosphere will alow to obtain more energy and eliminate some of gases that are damaging for enviroment. CO2 from process would be used in same way as CO2 from fuel synthesis.

Consortium created for this task named "High temperature reactor in Poland" asked UE to provide money from its »Hydrocarbon Fuel Production with Carbon Dioxide Recycling - Demonstration of Synergy Approach« project. I will allow to build protoype factory in Poland.

[Resurrection]

What's UE?

[Asheren]

We write EU as UE here.

[_Samez_]

What's UE?

Unia Europejska = European Union

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

VHTR reactor that is going to be used as a power and hydrogen source

http://www.gen-4.org/images/vhtr.jpg


http://www.gen-4.org/Technology/systems/vhtr.htm


Considering the tremendous rise of electricity consumption and the age of the coal-fired power plants, Poland needs to build the nuclear energy industry. Too bad there are still many (around 60% of population according to recent polls) stupid people with an anti-nuclear hysteria... :roll:

[Asheren]

I think that oil prices and russian pipeline will be a fast cure for that 60%.

Main reason for use of nuclear reactor is Carbon dioxide recycling. Main problem with synthetic gasoline is that process will create large amounts of this gas. They wanted to store it traped in coal deposits but recycling would be a better option.

[perdurabo]

that would be intresting, with all the crude oil problems. But i think we should put more money to rechargable energy sources.

[Greek soldier]

Hmm, interesting project. How much money did they ask from the European Union?

[tuercas]

that would be intresting, with all the crude oil problems. But i think we should put more money to rechargable energy sources.

ideally yes, but renewable energy like wind and solar can never put out the amount of energy required for these industrial processes . for example . the planed nuclear power plant for this syntetic gasoline plant with a single reactor will have a power output of about 600MW of electricity, to produce that much energy, you would need about 166 of the largest commercial wind turbines rated at 3.6MW at constant capacity, which wind does not offer

[perdurabo]

ideally yes, but renewable energy like wind and solar can never put out the amount of energy required for these industrial processes . for example . the planed nuclear power plant for this syntetic gasoline plant with a single reactor will have a power output of about 600MW of electricity, to produce that much energy, you would need about 166 of the largest commercial wind turbines rated at 3.6MW at constant capacity, which wind does not offer
yeh i know but todays technology isn't at it's limits we should search for new energy sources, improve those we have now, this plant and all gen4. nuclear reactors are good step forward, burning oil in cars is stupidity, we have limited suplies of oil while we do lots of things out of it polymers, medicines etc...

[tuercas]

the supplies of Coal are astronomical in comparison to oil, this is why sinfuels make sense. sinfuel gasoline also has the quality of producing less CO2 than petroleum based gasoline. but in the end we do need to move away from fossil based fuels.

this is where nuclear is key, it produces alot of electricity without CO2 and wth the new generation of reactors, more safely and cleanly as whell. an abundance of electricity will make it easier for plug in electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars to become practical.

[signatory]

Sounds great, build it with private investors.

If it works, you'll get EU money.

OK ?

[Herrmannek]

Sounds great, build it with private investors.

If it works, you'll get EU money.

OK ?
It works. nazi Germans uzsed that technology in WWII, but they burned the coal as the source of the energy for transformation, and that was expensive and released co2 with of course wasn't a problem for Germans back then...

BTW: either way you need to burn the coal to the CO form and join it with steam with proper methods, but that don't generates pollution itself...

[perdurabo]

Sounds great, build it with private investors.

If it works, you'll get EU money.

OK ?
dude we are talking about Polish scientists not mafia, they don't have money, they do have knowledge but not money.

[signatory]

dude we are talking about Polish scientists not mafia, they don't have money, they do have knowledge but not money.

I'm just saying if there's a business opportunity here then companies like ABB or Westinghouse Atom would love to invest in it so they can sell these plants around the world.

[Asheren]

Or put patent rights on shelf like they did with many other techs because they can make better profits using oil instead of other resouces.
EU cash would allow all other European countries to use this technology.

[Herrmannek]

I'm just saying if there's a business opportunity here then companies like ABB or Westinghouse Atom would love to invest in it so they can sell these plants around the world.
I don't think that any private company can afford nuclear reactor, not in UE where that enviromental pussies everyhwre tha tsky rocket the costs :)