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Lazy Lob
07-17-2006, 08:49 AM
Our gübernment couldn't even organise a piss up in a brewery.


The Times July 17, 2006

Train bombers 'funded by British businessmen'

From Daniel McGrory in Bombay

Indian officials claim that bogus charities are sending £8m to Kashmiri terror groups

SOME of the main fundraisers for the terror group suspected of masterminding the Bombay train bombings are operating from Britain, according to Indian intelligence officials.

The officials accuse Britain of failing to act against a number of wealthy businessmen, who they claim are using bogus charities to funnel up to £8 million a year to Kashmiri militants groups, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba, which remains the main suspect for orchestrating the synchronised bombings that killed 182 people.

Manmohan Singh, the Indian Prime Minister, raised the terror link with Tony Blair at the G8 summit in St Petersburg yesterday, reminding him that India handed over a detailed dossier three years ago identifying 14 men living in Britain and was assured the suspects would be investigated.

“Since then nothing has been done, and the money still coming from Britain helps to pay for the terrorist camps where we believe the bombers were trained and this atrocity was planned,” a senior Indian security official said last night.

Gordon Brown pledged that the Treasury would use new laws to shut down terrorist fundraising and ordered that the bank accounts of 54 organisations be frozen, although records show that last year Whitehall only recovered £9,318.

“Britain talks about the need for all nations to get tough together, but more money comes from the UK to Kashmiri terror groups than any other country,” the official added.

One of those identified in the dossier is reported to be a Pakistan-born multimillionaire businessman who owns at least two luxury homes in London.

Professor Paul Wilkinson, of the Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence at the University of St Andrews, said: “It is very sad the figure for the money still flowing to the likes of Lashkar has not been substantially reduced by now. It is difficult to track the money trail, but we should put more resources to doing so.”

The funding from overseas has helped terror groups to set up a string of new training camps in Bangladesh, close to the border with India.

Al-Qaeda-trained militants are reportedly running up to 13 camps, and MI6 and other Western intelligence agencies have been monitoring the traffic of young recruits to these centres including a number of volunteers based in Britain.

British security agencies had been warning that groups closely linked to al-Qaeda were planning to stage bomb attacks in India, using local sym- pathisers to carry out their operation.

Scores of Indian-based militants are alleged to have attended the al-Qaeda run camps near Bandarban and Chittagong. Security chiefs believe that the mastermind behind the bombing on seven commuter trains used one of these camps in Bangladesh to finalise plans for the attack.

Anti-terrorist officers involved in the hunt for the Bombay bombers travelled to the border town of Tripura yesterday to question 11 men from the port city who were said to have been caught trying to cross back into Bangladesh. The men are believed to be militant members of the outlawed (Student Islamic Movement of India), which police allege helped in the bomb plot.

Teams of armed officers continued with their mass round-ups yesterday, with further raids on a number of shanty towns around Bombay. So far they have detained more than 1,300 men, but the police face mounting public criticism at their failure to arrest anyone involved in the terror network that is believed to have been living in India’s financial capital for at least three months.

D. K. Shankaran, the chief secretary of Maharashtra state, of which Bombay is the capital, said last night: “We believe police will be able to zero in on the culprits within a week.”

As he left for St Petersburg Mr Singh, said: “We will impress upon the leaders gathered at the G8 summit that the international community must adopt an approach of zero tolerance toward terrorism anywhere.”

He also made a thinly veiled attack on Pakistan, which he has blamed for sheltering terrorists, adding: “The international community must isolate and condemn terrorists wherever they attack, whatever their cause and whichever country or group provides them sustenance and support.”

Talks planned for Thursday between the countries’ foreign ministers were postponed yesterday, with India’s Foreign Minister giving warning: “As a result of these terrorist attacks, it is becoming very difficult to take forward the peace process.”

Millions are expected to take part in a two-minute silence to be staged in Bombay tomorrow at the time of the first explosion. Bollywood stars who live in the city will join politicians, police and survivors of the attack in a public show of defiance against the terrorists.

bluffcove
07-17-2006, 08:57 AM
They could organise a piss up in a brewery, but only if the requisite number of individuals from ethnic, cultural and socio-economic demographics were invited, and even the AA would have to be invited in order not to disclude them.

Alcohol would have to be provided, but you would be given a 2 can rule. There would be no smoking, you would all need an assigned seating area. The Brewery would need a Public visitors licence, and adequate signage for fire, slip hazards and trip hazards.

Ultimately due to health and Safety law and the brewery being a food manufacturing environment no drinking or eating or consumption would be allowed on the site.

Blair is a Chopper, but until someone can mount some feasible opposition I feel hes all weve got. Cameron is as greasy as Blair was when he turned up. Brown and Prescott are both far to unpopular internationally let alone nationally, and neither seem that trustwothy.

Jack Straw - His son did coke once, but other than that I think that Hes done alot for the country and the party and is a feasible alternative to our dear leaders run of mistakes.

a_very_ex_STAB
07-17-2006, 09:02 AM
Does Blair sleep at night?

Of course he doesn't he just retires to the alien pod that he arrived in so he can have his energy cells recharged :) ... when he's not having gay *** with Peter Mandelson that is!

Royal
07-17-2006, 09:03 AM
Jack Straw - His son did coke once, but other than that I think that Hes done alot for the country and the party and is a feasible alternative to our dear leaders run of mistakes.

Card carrying marxist, supported CND, head of the NUS, supported the 'Troops Out' movement etc etc.

Great (woot)

Lazy Lob
07-17-2006, 09:11 AM
It’s the gob smackin’ irony of it all. Our men are dieing in Astan fighting the Talibs and at the same time our Führer is allowing dosh to be sent to a similar bunch a few miles down the road so they can kill Indians. I despair………

oldsoak
07-17-2006, 12:38 PM
It’s the gob smackin’ irony of it all. Our men are dieing in Astan fighting the Talibs and at the same time our Führer is allowing dosh to be sent to a similar bunch a few miles down the road so they can kill Indians. I despair………

Fella, this was happening in the 80's. We knew groups who were funding Kashmiri
terrorist organisations back then, but adopted the "not our problem" attitude.
Did the Eiserne Jungfrau do anything about it ?

bluffcove
07-17-2006, 01:23 PM
Straw has principles!

Apart from once trying to start a rock band what evidence exists of Blair ever having had or stood by a principal - Hes a pragmatist and a sycophant, doing whatever needs doing to ensure he retains his grip on the electorate. I wouldnt trust him with a cake stall.

Lazy Lob
07-17-2006, 01:25 PM
Fella, this was happening in the 80's. We knew groups who were funding Kashmiri
terrorist organisations back then, but adopted the "not our problem" attitude.
Did the Eiserne Jungfrau do anything about it ?

Yes, I know. I had a hairy sack back then. But in those days we weren’t involved in Astan with troops being killed. I don’t want to come across as too idealistic but in this day and age with 24 hours news channels and with thinning numbers in the regulars and the TA this type of gübermental behaviour will turn even the most angelic of us into cynics.

In such a mixed “global village” with everyone having their own personal axe to grind this butterfly effect will probably end up biting us in the arse.

And leave Maggie alone.....p-)

Royal
07-17-2006, 01:26 PM
Straw has principles!

Absolutely. I just don't like them.



I wouldnt trust him with a cake stall.

We agree on that one.

bluffcove
07-17-2006, 01:59 PM
At least you know its worth opposing Jack Straw.

Trying to oppose Blair is impossible, hes doesnt stand still long enough to work out whether hes on your side or not!

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-17-2006, 03:55 PM
As far as known any one suspected of transferring funds offshore for use in terror is pursued but proving it is pretty difficult while actually doing it is simple as long as you don’t knock the arse out of it. The Turkish government is also a bit tetchy about money raised in the UK finding its way into the hands of the Kurdish terror groups.

bluffcove
07-17-2006, 05:48 PM
NORAID - thin ice.

Extradition treaties, Noraid - natwest three, thin ice

pompous ass!

Mr Gently Benevolent
07-17-2006, 06:01 PM
NORAID - thin ice.

Extradition treaties, Noraid - natwest three, thin ice

pompous ass!Think of all the oppressed 6th generation Irish-Americans and their struggle for freedom and justice.p-)

bluffcove
07-17-2006, 06:15 PM
still like the Ted Kennedy story when he visited NI during the troubles,

He went up to a British Para and asked
"why dont you fvck off home?"

Para replied,
"this is my fvcking home, why dont you just fvck off"

Well........He did ask a guy from Ballymena!

a_very_ex_STAB
07-18-2006, 02:25 AM
still like the Ted Kennedy story when he visited NI during the troubles,

He went up to a British Para and asked
"why dont you fvck off home?"

Para replied,
"this is my fvcking home, why dont you just fvck off"

Well........He did ask a guy from Ballymena!

LOL I remember hearing about that.
Shame the para didnt' give the interfering **** a good shoeing as well.