Norway: Krekar claims Islam will win

[Zarathustra]

Ah. Multiculturalism. The man has a point. Liberalism loses either way.

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1247400.ece?service=print


Norway's most controversial refugee, Mullah Krekar, told an Oslo newspaper on Monday that there's a war going on between "the West" and Islam. He said he's sure that Islam will win, and he also had praise for suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

"We're the ones who will change you," Krekar told Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet in his first interview since an uproar broke out over cartoons deemed offensive to Muslims.

"Just look at the development within Europe, where the number of Muslims is expanding like mosquitoes," Krekar said. "Every western woman in the EU is producing an average of 1.4 children. Every Muslim woman in the same countries are producing 3.5 children.

"By 2050, 30 percent of the population in Europe will be Muslim."

He claimed that "our way of thinking... will prove more powerful than yours." He loosely defined "western thinking" as formed by the values held by leaders of western or non-islamic nations. Its "materialism, egoism and wildness" has altered Christianity, he claimed.

Krekar, who's been supported by the Norwegian government since arriving as a refugee from northern Iraq in the early 1990s, now faces deportation after violating the terms of his refugee status and being deemed a threat to national security. . . .

[Bert]

This guy is an idiot. But this particular view isn't his alone. Even Gaddafi agrees.

"We have fifty million Muslims in Europe. There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe - without swords, without guns, without conquests. The fifty million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades. Europe is in a predicament, and so is America. They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims."

http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1121#

[Firefly26]

What was that saying from "Bebe's Kids"? Oh yeah, "We don't die, we multiply."

[Switek]

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1247400.ece?service=print(*)

(*)Warning! It dosen't concerns Poles

[signatory]

Sorry but it's qualified BS by Kräket and Gaddafi.

Asians, not busy in violence and backwards agendas will, and is, actively filling up the seats in Europe. The muslims might be producing more children but their overall demographics group will shrink as their old die and immigration is reduced in favor of a better skilled asian population. Western women and asian women will together outproduce the muslims anyway.

Besides muslims isn't really a problem, idiots like Krekar is, normal ones are typically moderate and take on western values and understanding of common law while keeping with their family traditions. Extreme islamists and arab muslims with a harder stance make up 2.3% of Europe now and a good portion of these are refugees with hopes to return to their home lands.

[OldRecon]

For anyone fancying the idea of racial purity and isolation from outside cultural influence, Krekar paradoxially is quite a good warning example of how deranged an offspring can become as a result of inbreeding among a limited number of families for generations within the same godforsaken isolated valley without access to some new outside blood in the gene pool.

[Kaapeli]

Some nobody says something crazy and suddenly it's newsworthy. Must have been a quiet newsday in Norway.

[Cedan]

yeah not much happening here, called agurk tider

[Flagg]

In a way, demographics can be an outstanding predictor of the future in broad brush strokes.

Most people don't care and never will care about demographics because it's such a slow process from most people's perspective that it doesn't affect them day to day.

But when you look at it from a longer time frame measured in just a few short decades, dramatic changes are likely.

Aging populations(particularly Japan, then Italy, then China) will have dramatic impacts(like social services, economic GDP growth, and taxation) on societies unless actions are taken to alleviate them.

Changing populations(particularly parts of Europe, and the US) will have dramatic impacts(ethnic, cultural, religious, political) by slowly recreating the makeup, direction, and desires of society over time unless changes occur to alleviate it, although this is an incredibly hot potato.

Western democracies typically do not focus on the long-term(politicians are not incentivized to do so, they'll be long retired living large when any poop hits the fan), which is what managing demographic changes requires.

Demographic changes move slowly like iceburgs and the more momentum that is gained it becomes almost impossible to stop, and increasingly difficult to deflect.

It's happening whether we like it or not, but will societies recognize it, develop a course of action to alleviate any demographic changes they do NOT want to see occur, and possess the tenacity to see it through without suffering from attention deficit disorder?

[OldRecon]

In a way, demographics can be an outstanding predictor of the future in broad brush strokes.

...

It's happening whether we like it or not, but will societies recognize it, develop a course of action to alleviate any demographic changes they do NOT want to see occur, and possess the tenacity to see it through without suffering from attention deficit disorder?

Here in Norway at least there is quite a decent birthrate even among women without immigrant or 2nd generation immigrant background.
But then we have quite generous public financial support arrangements for families with small children as compared to many other countries. Besides there is greater cultural acceptance here for having children, and taking leave from work in relation to birth, as parth of one's career path. Both for men and women.
There's been quite a show of interest both from German and Japanese politicians on our public family support arrangements.

[annihilation]

Why is this man allowed to stay in Norway? I would have him kicked out.

[Flagg]

Here in Norway at least there is quite a decent birthrate even among women without immigrant or 2nd generation immigrant background.
But then we have quite generous public financial support arrangements for families with small children as compared to many other countries. Besides there is greater cultural acceptance here for having children, and taking leave from work in relation to birth, as parth of one's career path. Both for men and women.
There's been quite a show of interest both from German and Japanese politicians on our public family support arrangements.

Yeah, I reckon it's pretty important.

With "baby boomers' getting ready to retire, SOMEBODY's gotta work to support them...so it means makin' mo' babies :)

NZ has a reasonably good support system as well.

I certainly HOPE Japan and Germany are having a look at your system...they both need it desperately....particularly Japan.

I reckon they should start putting the fear of God into them......"start making babies or we'll double your taxes and you'll never be able to retire"...that oughta do it! :)

[Con-man]

I would love to see Islam try to change China, which, seeing as how Islam is illegal there wouldn't be that easy. As for which way of thinking is more powerful, they have not been involved in a total war yet, especially not with the west.

EDIT: Im talking about this generation of Islam, not former generations.

[Bert]

Why is this man allowed to stay in Norway? I would have him kicked out.
We here in happy socialist paradise are afraid of the terrorist group leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam) being executed or tortured in Iraq. We need a 'guarantee' that he won't be executed or tortured.:roll:

[annihilation]

We here in happy socialist paradise are afraid of the terrorist group leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansar_al-Islam) being executed or tortured in Iraq. We need a 'guarantee' that he won't be executed or tortured.:roll:

Oh ya I forgot about those rules....

[liberation]

Yeah, I reckon it's pretty important.

With "baby boomers' getting ready to retire, SOMEBODY's gotta work to support them...so it means makin' mo' babies :)

NZ has a reasonably good support system as well.

I certainly HOPE Japan and Germany are having a look at your system...they both need it desperately....particularly Japan.

I reckon they should start putting the fear of God into them......"start making babies or we'll double your taxes and you'll never be able to retire"...that oughta do it! :)

The European population of NZ is rapidly ageing not its chief minority groups. There will be plenty of young people in NZ fifty years from now but they won't be white.

Government social policies encouraging higher reproduction growth for the majority ethnic group based on the the Singapore Governments approach to increasing ethnic Chinese birth rates to keep muslim ethnic Malays at bay is one option, but that wouldn't go down well in a liberal anglo-saxon democracy like NZ.

[Lau]

Why is this man allowed to stay in Norway? I would have him kicked out.

You can't just dispel people from a country because they have a 'different' point of view.
That would make us as bad as the country Mullah Krekar probably is fleeing from in the first place...

LOL. The irony.....

Ohh and BTW, hi everybody, im new. I've been lurking for a while now, thought it was time to join the discussions. http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/a1007.gif

[LaoSexMachine]

The crazy Mullah has a point. The Liberal PC government has put the European population in jeopardy. Best eat all the pork chops you can cause you won't be able to eat them in 50 years. Blame it on your liberal government.

[signatory]

The crazy Mullah has a point. The Liberal PC government has put the European population in jeopardy. Best eat all the pork chops you can cause you won't be able to eat them in 50 years. Blame it on your liberal government.

If by saying the CRAZY mullah has a point and agreeing with it, doesn't that also make you crazy ? Hm.. yes, I would say so.

@ Lau

Hiya, welcome.

[LaoSexMachine]

From what I read about the decline of native European population compared to Muslim immigrants I think he is on to something. Doesn't make me crazy just becuase I think he might be on to something. I don't think he is right saying Islam is the way but what he says about Muslim population in Europe has some legs on it. Look at Russia and the increase in Muslim population in that country. Not too hard to look at Europe and not see it.

[perdurabo]

Ez. do you live here? Europe is almoust half bilion ppl, if 50 milions of muslims can in 50 years exceed those 500 000 000 then good luck for chinese cause they are doomed ;)

[Popdivtweet]

A 100 % Muslim (or any other seriously orthodox/inflexible religion and/or political group for that matter) Europe would mean what? : no free speech, no ****, no dancing, no distilled spirits, no women's rights, a ban against what the state would call improper or "un-clean" foods, no political descent allowed, etc, etc...??????

Yippee! let's turn the clock back to the middle ages!! only this time we will ALL HAVE NUKES!!!
that way, the oligarchy can really get down to some serious ethnic cleansing...

[Taekwondo]

Is it yet allowed anywhere to express worry for the survival of the indigenous peoples of Europe?

I doubt any other culture will worry so much about the survival of other cultures and not of its own as the European has.

[liberation]

Not while the administrators of boards like this fear law suits from racial lobby groups!

[Lau]

The crazy Mullah has a point. The Liberal PC government has put the European population in jeopardy. Best eat all the pork chops you can cause you won't be able to eat them in 50 years. Blame it on your liberal government.

I dont feel like im in jeopardy. Nothing wrong with diversity. And ofcourse I can eat pork in 50 years, some of the muslims i know also eat pork. A lot of the muslims in denmark are very moderat and easy going about their religion. They dont share the view of the crazy mullahs' and nor will their children in the future.

Ofcourse there will alwayes be a few extremist calling for the death of all non muslims Etc. but they are a minority, and im sure it will stay that way.

[Bert]

You can't just dispel people from a country because they have a 'different' point of view.
That would make us as bad as the country Mullah Krekar probably is fleeing from in the first place...

LOL. The irony.....

Ohh and BTW, hi everybody, im new. I've been lurking for a while now, thought it was time to join the discussions. http://www.langkawi.dk/smileys/a1007.gif
We're not looking to kick him out because of his point of view, we're looking to kick him out because he's a terrorist group leader. This was known even before the new Iraqi government took power. They have since asked him extradited for his crimes.

[Lau]

We're not looking to kick him out because of his point of view, we're looking to kick him out because he's a terrorist group leader. This was known even before the new Iraqi government took power. They have since asked him extradited for his crimes.

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood 'annihilation' then.
I agree Bert, if Mullah Krekar infact is a terrorist group leader, then he should be kicked out at ones!

[Bert]

Oh, sorry. I misunderstood 'annihilation' then.
I agree Bert, if Mullah Krekar infact is a terrorist group leader, then he should be kicked out at ones!
Yes he is, they have video proof of him 'inspecting' his ansar al-islam goons.

[NavyTimes]

Im going to bump this thread about Mullah Crackhead instead of starting a new one because the case took a crazy turn today:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article2188219.ece



[...]
AFP reported that the group warned an expulsion of Krekar would become "quite painful" for the Norwegian government if it doesn't reverse the expulsion order on Krekar.


A coalition of other insurgent groups warned of an "economic boycott" of Norway, but observers in Iraq interpreted that more as a threat against Norway. The insurgent coalition includes the so-called Islamic Army in Iraq, the Mujahedin Army in Iraq and the armed branch of Ansar al-Sunna
[...]


Economic boycott? Are they going to stop buying Jarlsberg? I don't suppose they are doing any mass imports of norwegian pork chops, or oil for that matter.

[IMTT]

Wow; this all news to me. I thought the EU was already an Islamic republic and France was the Capital. Hey what do I know I'm just an ugly American.