info on the "D" vid

[Ravage]

Listen up boys and girls, I know I'm not a mod here, but I think some action should be taken.

Yesterday there was a storm on mp.net. The storm was due to the infamous CAG mov that is on the net from some time now.

We all MUST remember that there are some issues of security here. I'm not talkin of you know OPSEC nad PERSEC and all that sh**. But just fore one damn moment think about it.
If you were (some of the lads here are ;)) a SOF op., would you like your face shown all over the net, TV etc. etc. etc. ?
Think just for one moment of the consequences of a leak. Why do SAS, DELTA, GROM, JTF-2 operators keep their ID a secret ? Cuz' it's cool ?
God NO ! I'm no exp. in OPSEC and stuff, but maybe cuz' they don't wan't the damn media on their asses all day, maybe cuz' they want to stay in their unit.

When I see a thread about a fallen SOF guy I read "RIP man, RIP brave warrior etc. etc." OK, but the next day you guys comeup with posting pics of SOF dudes with their faces shown all over the net !
Then you post "RIP, RIP, RIP"... Your "RIP" means SH** WHEN YOU POST LIKE SH**" :fork:

In Poland, there was a politician, he tipped off a bad guy that a SWAT team was on it's way for him ! Luckelly nothing happened, but just think about it.
The SWAT guys could get torn apart, and the damn fool that tipped of the bad guy attended a funeral of a fallen SWAT cop !

So please, next time try to think not "I want, I need" but more like what is the smartest thing to do.

Sorry for the strong word here, but it's just getting shi**y in here sometimes...

BTW, the mods should close this thread after reading it, cuz' I'm going the have a lot of enemies after this p-)

POZDRAWIAM :hug:

[BadKarma26]

No OPSEC was violated. Everybody knew that they were in the sandbox.

I think the biggest lesson learned from the video was probably by the operators themselves: don't release home videos if you don't want people to see them...and if youre going to anyways fuzz out your faces.

By mentioning the movie in a thread like this, youre just drawing more attention towards it.



This ones gonna be locked.

[Irish]

No OPSEC was violated. Everybody knew that they were in the sandbox.

I think the biggest lesson learned from the video was probably by the operators themselves: don't release home videos if you don't want people to see them...and if youre going to anyways fuzz out your faces.

By mentioning the movie in a thread like this, youre just drawing more attention towards it.



This ones gonna be locked.

Is the vid still Avail??

[Ravage]

Hope not :roll:

[Hydro]

I see your point, and this has been addressed by the mods, and is enforced rigidly. However, on the other hand, if you're going to make a home video that may contain sensitive information, don't post it where others can get at it.

[Nevins]

i knew someone was gunna make a thread about this..:roll:
lol

its just drawing attention to it though.

[Seraphim]

i knew someone was gunna make a thread about this..:roll:
lol

its just drawing attention to it though.

Huh what D video???!!!! p-)

[cosimo]

I don't think the D-video is a home movie. In a previous thread it I think someone said it was a training or recruitment type video.

[gadzook]

Regardless, if they don't want their pictures and/or video taken, then they should not film themselves and produce videos like a 3rd grade soccer team or high school cheerleading squad's video yearbook.

THE LEAK WITH OPSEC STARTS WITH YOUR BELOVED OPERATORS.

Don't blame John Q. Public, for watching something that should never have been filmed or released in the first place.

The conventional military learned the hard way that allowing their soliders to take phunny pictures of detainees in jail was not a good idea.

When will the secret squirrels of the world get that wake-up call? Who's gonna pay that price?

Dorks.

[BadKarma26]

I don't think the D-video is a home movie. In a previous thread it I think someone said it was a training or recruitment type video.
It is a recruitment video. Friends of mine have been showed it by recruiters. But thats still no excuse for showing it without blurred faces. Rangers and SF don't care.

[Gordon]

Is this the same vid that was posted a while ago along with a multitude of stills taken from it or a new one?

[Mountain Man]

THE LEAK WITH OPSEC STARTS WITH YOUR BELOVED OPERATORS.


True,...but it doesn't mean that anyone here needs to pass it on either. Just because its out there doesnt mean its ok to pass around. And as for the operators faces being shown, it was obviously not a video that was intended to be shown all over the internet and lusted after by arm chair "soliders". Is it a cool video,...yes. But in respect for those guys I for one won't post it or pass it on.

As for beloved operators, damn right beloved operators :) !

[Nevins]

Is this the same vid that was posted a while ago along with a multitude of stills taken from it or a new one?

yes
it is

while im at it..can anyone tell me what happen to my SEAL teams thread?
lol ;-) i got a PM asking for it but if the thread was deleted for OPSPEC/PERSPEC reasons i wont give it out.
thanks

[Beckett]

ooo boy i just watched it again before i saw this topic. I think you guys are really over reacting about this whole thing. if it was that big of a problem the delta dude making the video would have blurred the faces when making it.

[Sir Zach of R.]

ooo boy i just watched it again before i saw this topic. I think you guys are really over reacting about this whole thing. if it was that big of a problem the delta dude making the video would have blurred the faces when making it.

That's just it. The video wasn't made to go beyond the realm of a recruitment video to be shown to possible selectees. Yes there are PERSEC concerns. Yes users need to show caution when posting pics and videos pertaining to Delta or any other Spec Ops unit. Several posters including myself have learned this the not so easy way and I will say that if you have Spec Ops pics or videos, PM a mod about it first before posting.

[Beckett]

opinions opinions

[BMF_EOD]

Try to look someone up with using only a picture. no name- just a picture.


So many call PERSEC and OPSEC- it's the cool thing to do. It shows that you are "in the know" about "things". The responsibility for PERSEC and OPSEC rests on the hands of those involved (the DOD branch and whatever unit is involved). Without a name a face is pretty much useless. it is not the responsibility of a MP net user....ever.

Why do you think the Army, Navy, Marines, and AF routinely post pictures on their sites- many times with names attached?

as an example- check these sites for mega PERSEC violations.
www.navy.mil
www.army.mil

give it a REST. OPSEC and PERSEC ARE NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILTY INTERNET WARRIOR.

[Nevins]

its on the internet, theres no stopping it now.

[Royal]

opinions opinions

Not on here. This is a private site and as long as Hood retains his current Mods we will continue to pull things like this.


if it was that big of a problem the delta dude making the video would have blurred the faces when making it.

The video in question was produced for potential candidates for the unit, just as UK, Canadian (and I suspect other nationalities) SF units do. It was then leaked.

It was not an authorised release.

It was not a 'Hollywood' production by the operators.

It ain't going up on here.

[Ravage]

There is a number of military forums in Poland (I'm a mod on one so the vid will not pup up there), where guys are sh** worth honestly.
And I'm afraid I will not be able to stop it from poping up there :-(

Royal, PM inbound ....

[Chops]

BMF whilst I agree with your sentiment (and there is often too much bleating by non mods about PERSEC/OPSEC), I am far more concerned regarding TTP infringements than PERSEC and I think I speak for the mods as a whole.

Whilst it's simply good form imho to blackbar operators' faces, videos like this can add to the opposition's knowledge of TTPs- which is not a good thing.

End of the day- if in doubt pm one of us and we'll make a call or take it to da lounge to discuss with relevant bods.

cheers

C

[iflu]

well, as far as military discipline is concerned, I believe it is ALL applied to the military personel or those who have retired but are still in the `slient` term. As to civilians, no such discipline is applied. If classified information (can be noticed from the cover of such materials) is leaked, the responsibility is directed to the person who leak the info to the public. BUT citizens should be encouraged to protect such information when it is leaked. I believe this is the reason MP.net should find while not those military disciplines.

[BMF_EOD]

Chops-

Concur completely. As a bomb tech I can attest that TTPs are far more damaging than a random face. In fact, showing pictures of the aftermath of IEDs on coalition vehicles is much more damaging than a guys photo- even if he is from a special mission unit. But for some reason you never here much about those types of "violations". There's just a lot of pretending going on around here.

I personally would rather have my name tape blurred or my location left out than worry about a picture of my fugly mug.

[saigonsmuggler]

BMF_EOD for prez! :)

[D-gin]

BMF whilst I agree with your sentiment (and there is often too much bleating by non mods about PERSEC/OPSEC), I am far more concerned regarding TTP infringements than PERSEC and I think I speak for the mods as a whole.

Pardon my ignorance but what does TTP stand for?

[Jay316]

tactics techniques and procedures

[D-gin]

tactics techniques and procedures

Thank you:)

[Argyll]

You need special programs to blur moving pics do you not?

[Greek soldier]

You actually apply the "mosaic" technique most video-cameras have, but it takes time.

BTW, on the e-mule P2P programme you can find many such uncensored videos.

[saigonsmuggler]

even for fallen SF operators - the military announcements clearly show faces, names and locations.

Well he's RIP you say but.... what about his family? Can the terrorists still then terrorize his family for his "deeds"? Clearly the military is not concerned about that.

Even if I am AQ... trained in Astan with UBL bodyguards.. I think I'd still be very very leery of breaking into the home of a live and kicking CAG operator.

but then again I am not "in the know" so what do I know?!? :(

[AlphaOneSix]

This is totally off-topic, but I get a chuckle out of this:



Location: Ghostriders Aerial Gun Platoon


Since I spent 4 years with C Co. 2-101st Avn (AH-64), and I was one of the people that picked the name "Ghostriders" for the company when it was created back in 1991. They are still called "Ghostriders" today. Here is a short video from them in Iraq: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9148392656325018292

[Irish]

Chops-

Concur completely. As a bomb tech I can attest that TTPs are far more damaging than a random face. In fact, showing pictures of the aftermath of IEDs on coalition vehicles is much more damaging than a guys photo- even if he is from a special mission unit. But for some reason you never here much about those types of "violations". There's just a lot of pretending going on around here.

I personally would rather have my name tape blurred or my location left out than worry about a picture of my fugly mug.


(IMO)I don't think there was any TTP's shown on the vid..It showed guys absailing from helo's,kickin in doors and shootin on the range..every thing thats in the public domain anyway of any SOF force around the world.
the bad guys know this already.

Im sure if it was CAG in the vid, there not gonna risk years of hard work developing TTP's just to see them compromised in a vid..IMO.:|

[Irish]

This is totally off-topic, but I get a chuckle out of this:



Since I spent 4 years with C Co. 2-101st Avn (AH-64), and I was one of the people that picked the name "Ghostriders" for the company when it was created back in 1991. They are still called "Ghostriders" today. Here is a short video from them in Iraq: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9148392656325018292

Nice vid,PRICELESS:)

[medic99]

I believe in maintaining the whole idea of PERSEC & OPSEC, however, a lot of these recruitment vids have been approved for general release.. If a vid was made by DoD for the purpose of recruiting people into CAG I would hope that they would have the mind set to ensure that the people in the vid were no longer operational...
Jut my .02..

With that said a few weeks ago the daily pics included a pic of a SEAL in civies pulling security for a diplo.. The pic was taken down and should never have been posted on the net..

Being of a military mind set on this site we should do everything we can to ensure that people in theater should have their OPSEC/PERSEC protected.. Because when you think about it they are over there protecting our PERSEC..

[elephantkiller]

you guys are stupid.

[dave81]

I believe in maintaining the whole idea of PERSEC & OPSEC, however, a lot of these recruitment vids have been approved for general release.. If a vid was made by DoD for the purpose of recruiting people into CAG I would hope that they would have the mind set to ensure that the people in the vid were no longer operational... But the video in question wasn't made for general release; it was made to be shown to potential candidates who are already in the Army.

[w1ldcard]

can someone lock this thread?

this will lead to nowhere guys.

admin/mods?

[Chops]

Elephantkiller- stop being a tool or you'll earn an early retirement.

Irish- there are a couple of TTP infringements in the video imho- remember it's not just what they do, it's how they do it.

BMF- with you all the way on your comments. And much respect for the work you guys do.