Hearts of Iron II: Doomsday HELP!

[Apathy]

This is an awesome game that I just don't know how to play.

How do I gain more Industrial Capacity and resources?

[Kingswat]

This is an awesome game that I just don't know how to play.

How do I gain more Industrial Capacity and resources?

well, since im about to teach johnny H how to play it, i might aswell help you.



to get more IC you need to actually build more industry. each factory gives you 1 IC.

[Apathy]

well, since im about to teach johnny H how to play it, i might aswell help you.



to get more IC you need to actually build more industry. each factory gives you 1 IC.

But then I need more resources. How do I get more resources?

[Kilgor]

But then I need more resources. How do I get more resources?

Trade, but thats boring.

Conquest :P

When you take over certain certains cities with stockpiles, you will gain those reasources.

[Morboute]

War....... p-)


Trade works aswell, joining an alliance is also good. The big guy tends to donate a bit to max out your IC.

The lame way is offcourse, cheat. Or use the editor. rofl


*dang, to slow*



When you take over certain certains cities with stockpiles, you will gain those reasources.

Some territories produce alot of it. South America has some nice places, specialy when it comes to oil. Tho, they dont become availiable right away. But thats just one thing i love about HOI2, you need to plan ahead. Plan your production a bit, dont put everything on paralel, serial runs can save you lots.


other things to keep in mind, keeping minor nations annexed might not always be a good idea. Release them and have them as puppets can do wonders to your supplies and economy.

When attacking other nations, focus on the provinces that give victory points, once you got all annex the nation.
Marines are great for rapid conquest, specialy in South America since so many nations have their Victory point provinces at the coast.

Another lame thing to do is to go to war with some puny nation and not conquering it , because you are at war your production (IC) goes up. Not sure if it works on all nations tho. They might have "fixed" that exploit (imo) , haven't played for a while.

[Apathy]

Alright thanks for the tips guys.

[rolls]

It also depends on what Nation you are playing as.

Physically Building IC can really only benefit the 2 board Behomoths, USSR and USA.

Countrys Like Germany and UK are better off waiting for events and Ministers to Bolster there IC. The Problem with building IC is the cost to benit Ratio...

It costs you 5IC to build 1 IC for a full year, so you wont really get a bonus out of any IC built until 2-3 years down the Track. As Italy or Japan i will normally build 3-4 Long serial Runs of Industry (With Italy is crucial to unlocking that 5th Tech Team).

Occuping Territories doesn't really give you any great benefit out of IC. Home IC gives you big bonuses especiialy when you start to get you +10 Percent Ministers.

Apathy you play online or?

Currently we have an aussie Group running several sessions of this, the biggest one being the Sunday Session which incorporates 11 Players. Mayhem :)

[rolls]

You also asked about Resources,

Deffinantly trade, each nation has there own Market Cornering capacity. With any of the Allied Nations you are pretty much well on a free roam, South American Nations and the Netherlands can provide for what you need.

As an Axis power i have often found it is better to stabilise your economy on the smaller nations (especially sweden/Spain/Bulgaria/Rumania). Also trading with the USSR can give you a big advantage, there materials are almost inexhaustable.

As Russia you only really need to bring in Money, Time to rape the world Market :)

[Apathy]

It also depends on what Nation you are playing as.

Physically Building IC can really only benefit the 2 board Behomoths, USSR and USA.

Countrys Like Germany and UK are better off waiting for events and Ministers to Bolster there IC. The Problem with building IC is the cost to benit Ratio...

It costs you 5IC to build 1 IC for a full year, so you wont really get a bonus out of any IC built until 2-3 years down the Track. As Italy or Japan i will normally build 3-4 Long serial Runs of Industry (With Italy is crucial to unlocking that 5th Tech Team).

Occuping Territories doesn't really give you any great benefit out of IC. Home IC gives you big bonuses especiialy when you start to get you +10 Percent Ministers.

Apathy you play online or?

Currently we have an aussie Group running several sessions of this, the biggest one being the Sunday Session which incorporates 11 Players. Mayhem :)

Naw, im still getting the basics down. Right now im playing as Israel in 1936. Is that bad? :<

[Kingswat]

lol, i was short on manpower when i was playing as germany, so i waited to take poland until 1944, but by that time other countries liked me enough to not give a ****. so my 119 infantry Div and 20 panzer div made short work of the polish.

[rolls]

lol,

Yes you will get nowhere with that. You'd probably have more fun as Communist China.

ID probably say play a game as USSR to get a grips of the game after that play Germany and then UK.

Each country has its own dynamics, and until you have played the major powers it is hard to get a grips of what is going on. I been playing HOI since it released and have moved along to DD as soon as it came out.

There is ALOT to learn when engaging in large front battles, you get all sorts of penalties for haiving too many men or planes in one battle as well as that the Weather can have an adverse effect on any "big push".

If you interested in learning how to play we have a small sunday afternoon game that runs from 9PM - 2AM CST. (my time thats Sunday 12PM-5PM). (basically 48Hours from now)

Currently we have 6 Players youd be more then welcome to play or CO-OP with one of us. Believe me when i say there is a hell of alot to learn, i been playing hoi for 3 years and doomsday now for about 6months (since it came out) and i swear there is always something new to pick up on.

[rolls]

lol, i was short on manpower when i was playing as germany, so i waited to take poland until 1944, but by that time other countries liked me enough to not give a ****. so my 119 infantry Div and 20 panzer div made short work of the polish.

Thats all you had in 1944? Damn by September 1 1939 Germany should sport at least:

150 Infantry
40+ Panzer Divisions
40+ Motorized divisions
4-5 HQ's
30+ Interceptors
30+ Fighters

Not to mention an armada of bombers, submarines etc etc..

Long Serial builds are the key, i assume you built your units 1 by 1?

[onefast93z28]

How is Doomsday? I played many hours on Heats of Iron 2 last year and enjoyed it very much. My two roommates and I made an un-holy alliance as the US, Germany, and Italy (with some small AI countries) for a 1936-1947 game. Can you say world domanation? lol

[Hellfish]

I love this game too. I am playing the US now in 1937 but I mucked around a bit and made Mexico and Venezuela socialist countries, with a lot of weaponry donated by the sympathetic Soviets. I took control of them and invaded all of Central America, Cuba and Colombia. Now I'm back as the US and will soon declare war on them... Makes playing the US a little less boring before 1941. :)

[rolls]

I rarely play against the AI. After playing so many Multiplayer games now, playing against the computer just provides no class in tactics.

The best bet is to chuck the game up on a high difficulty level which will give you penalties on your IC and gearing. Also if you load up as say Germany/Japan and build them a nice big blue Ocean fleet it can also make the game as USA alot more intersting.

Probably the most memorable game i ever played was a 1v1 USA v USSR. We divided up Germany and Europe historically, waited till 46, and then let the Nukes Fly :)

[Kingswat]

Thats all you had in 1944? Damn by September 1 1939 Germany should sport at least:

150 Infantry
40+ Panzer Divisions
40+ Motorized divisions
4-5 HQ's
30+ Interceptors
30+ Fighters

Not to mention an armada of bombers, submarines etc etc..

Long Serial builds are the key, i assume you built your units 1 by 1?

i didn't say that's all i had, that's all i hit poland with. I had the rest on the western front incase france tried to pull some ****. I had 280 infantry, 70 panzer, 20 motorized div, 8 HQ, 40 interceptors, 40 fighters, and 25 CAS aircraft.

[rolls]

ahhhhh :) thats ok then :)

[Kingswat]

yeah, air superiority followed by an airborn assault of 14 airborn div, supported by stuka's, warsaw fell so fast it wasn't funny. then i used the rest of my units to plaow through the polish lines and link up with the airborn and after that slowly started encircling the enemy and destroying with stukas and tactical bombers.

[rolls]

yeah, air superiority followed by an airborn assault of 14 airborn div, supported by stuka's, warsaw fell so fast it wasn't funny. then i used the rest of my units to plaow through the polish lines and link up with the airborn and after that slowly started encircling the enemy and destroying with stukas and tactical bombers.


Nothing quiet like destroying units from the air when there in retreat is there ? :)

[Lokos]

I had 280 infantry, 70 panzer, 20 motorized div, 8 HQ, 40 interceptors, 40 fighters, and 25 CAS aircraft.

I call BS.

1) Not even the SU has the oil to keep 70 armoured divisions in operation, much less in conjunction with 105 a/c divisions.

2) No way in hell do you have the industry prior to 1939 to build even a fraction of what you're talking about.

Unless you did a bit of ye olde editing with Doomsday Editor, the numbers you're talking about should be reported to the Doomsday community (with proof) as clear-cut records for 1939.

EDIT: Never mind, I re-read those posts, and you're talking about 1944. My bad.

Lokos

[rolls]

I call BS.

1) Not even the SU has the oil to keep 70 armoured divisions in operation, much less in conjunction with 105 a/c divisions.

2) No way in hell do you have the industry prior to 1939 to build even a fraction of what you're talking about.

Unless you did a bit of ye olde editing with Doomsday Editor, the numbers you're talking about should be reported to the Doomsday community (with proof) as clear-cut records for 1939.

EDIT: Never mind, I re-read those posts, and you're talking about 1944. My bad.

Lokos

I beg to differ, Do you want me to send you the save files of a similar setup to his that i have? Having oil is one thing, using it is another. IF you build it all early it can all be upgraded in 39 relatively cheap.

If you know how to trade correctly, you can get Venezulas 100 oil for about 26supplies, and any generous deals the Reds might do for the Axis is always a bonus.

Not to mention the oil you then get from Conquering Poland, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourgm Belgium. Especially so in Multiplayer games as the allies will sell alot of oil to cover supply costs.

[Lokos]

I beg to differ, Do you want me to send you the save files of a similar setup to his that i have? Having oil is one thing, using it is another. IF you build it all early it can all be upgraded in 39 relatively cheap.

If you know how to trade correctly, you can get Venezulas 100 oil for about 26supplies, and any generous deals the Reds might do for the Axis is always a bonus.

Not to mention the oil you then get from Conquering Poland, France, Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourgm Belgium. Especially so in Multiplayer games as the allies will sell alot of oil to cover supply costs.

Are you talking about 1939 or 1944?

I sincerely hope you're not suggesting that Germany can support 70 Pz divs, 20 Mot divs and 105 a/c divs in 1939.

I even more sincerely hope you're not suggesting that such a number can be built by that stage of the game.

Like I said, in 1944, both are possible, if you play your cards right. But not in 1939.

If you have managed to do so, I'd like to arrange to see the save-game file.

Lokos

[rolls]

Oh... Sorry i think i misread, i was talking bout 44 lol

In 39 you could get close to that mark, but i think 40panzers would be more realistic in 39 not 70. 100 +Aircraft and 250 infantry no problem,

But it wouldnt be till 41 that the Germans would be able to sport 60+ Panzers.

Guess i just misread ;0

[Johnny_H02]

lol

Its a kick ass game, I just couldnt figure it out at all.
Oh well Kingswat will learn me it :D lol

[Apathy]

Japan declared war on me. I have 14 infantry divisions, 0 airplanes, and 0 ships.

:(

[Kingswat]

Japan declared war on me. I have 14 infantry divisions, 0 airplanes, and 0 ships.

:(

who are you playing as?

[Apathy]

who are you playing as?

Communist China. I've annexed the country above me, so im bordering Japanese territory. Am I f*cked or is there something I can do?

[Morboute]

Btw, DAMN YOU ALL!!!!! you got me playing it again. Its eating up my vacation. :(

[rolls]

Communist China. I've annexed the country above me, so im bordering Japanese territory. Am I f*cked or is there something I can do?

No, no id say your about to get a reeming :)

Try USSR, the smaller nations arent much fun unless you really know what you are upto.... Not saying you dont but i think Glorious Leader might be dissapointed in your handy work :)

[ArmedPacifist]

Anyone else notice the game really slows down the longer you play?

[vryhpyammoadded]

I’ve been playing the big 45 doomsday campaign as the US. A few friends are playing USSR, France, UK Commonwealth and both China’s. Everyone is playing there parts pretty much historically in all aspects and the political twists are really making for some difficult decisions. The war is a freaking bloodbath!
In Korea, the USSR pushed the US down to the Buson very fast. I gambled and dug in sending any reinforcement I could scavenge in the Pacific to assist. The Korean peninsula was swarming with US ships and air. Eventually I pulled a MacArthur landing in Pyongyang effectively trapping and later nearly annihilating the Russian troops. But, the Russian player was pretty cagy and had troops rushing in from Vladivostok that I failed to notice immediately. Thanks to a chance spotting by a naval PBM I was able to slow them up a bit with hordes of TAC air interdiction.
MacArthur still ended up getting pinned between the Chunchon Russians and the rescue forces in Wonsan but was able to eventually meet up with the Buson toehold. Things then pretty much settled down to a prolonged slog on the original north/south boarder as fresh troops from the US and a few from New Zealand and Australia showed up.
I blasted Vladivostok and the surrounding areas 24/7 with B-24’s and 29’s and managed to wipe out the Russian Pacific fleet with a few spare CV and BB battle groups. US subs did a great job too but losses were bad. So far I’ve thrown in everything possible into Korea and am awaiting new production while it appears the Soviets are in the same predicament.
Europe has been even worse. The Russians took great advantage of the allied player’s communication lags and did a great job of making a few breakthroughs where differing allied players bordered each other. His TAC air was surprisingly effective too. Right now the front is just a series of Russian breakthroughs that stall for about two months and pick up again as the allies continue to rush in reinforcements. Little by little the Russians are nibbling away the front doing the two steps forward one back dance.
The allies had one near disaster when we attempted a plan to do a simultaneous naval and airborne invasion in the Baltic with a large army push for Berlin. At first it managed to envelope a huge number of Russians but they were a bit much to chew on and then the giant wave of Russian reinforcements forced our retreat lest we be enveloped ourselves. We eventually lost ground on that one. At least this action drew enough enemies to allow our re-securing northern Italy but we can already see massive enemy buildups in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Austria. Next spring will be ugly for us.
China is just nasty medieval bad. The occasional Nationalist contacts I get say the communists are eating up everything and that Chang has is considering more allied help again. I’m not sure where that’s going to go seeing I’ve thrown everything but the kitchen sink into battling Russia.
The UK player requested some troops to the Middle East so I sent the marines who have been doing surprisingly well against anything the soviets throw at them. From Turkey to India it’s been a wide open maneuver sort of war with big gaps in defense on both sides. I’m trying real hard to get some mountain, airborne and motorized troops over there but production is lagging due to these dam costly nuke reactors and some real nasty reinforcement/supply costs at home. I’d love to upgrade but that won’t fly seeing production would fall too far behind schedule.

I’m not sure which direction to push technology wise seeing I can’t seem to get the points to upgrade anyway but nuke miniaturization looks nice. Too bad it’s still half a year before I could even begin to start research a year early. You know that will cost a mountain of IC but at least I will be able to crank out nukes faster.
Speaking of atomics, I have yet to use them. I’ve built two and those pesky Soviets seem to know it. They’ve changed there tactics so that they never seem to be concentrated enough for a significant effect tactically. Twice I’ve had to recall the bombers; drat!
My spies tell me the Russians are still pretty far behind in nuke research but they are hard at it.

I love this game fighting against other humans and the AI isn’t half bad when set to maximum difficulty. I have few issues with this game accepting some technology and unit flaws. Over all, I rate it quite high.

Does anyone know if a PC based World in Flames is ever going to be finished anytime soon?

[Laworkerbee]

Already going through this thread I've decided to get this bloody game and play it in the AC this weekend since it's melting temperature outside

I have no idea what I'm getting into but the way you guys describe it, it sounds like hours of "fun"???:|

[Kingswat]

i took poland in 3 months, france in 4, and belgium and the netherlands love me too much to bother them so I let them live. the only thing pissing me off now is the bombers from the uk, and the massive human/tank wave on hte eastern front curtesy of the soviets. I also have egypt under my control however i lost all of my fleets(all 7 of them) including 3 bismarks. I have no supply transports or escorts atm so my forces in africa = screwed.... the only thing saving me is the amount of units i threw down there.

[Hellfish]

Already going through this thread I've decided to get this bloody game and play it in the AC this weekend since it's melting temperature outside

I have no idea what I'm getting into but the way you guys describe it, it sounds like hours of "fun"???:|

Its strategic warfare in WWII. It's a lot of fun on its own and there are several mods for it too that make it even better. Check out the Historical Improvement Project (HIP) mod. I keep it on my laptop for when I'm on the road (like now) and I have a total blast with it. Never played MP, though.

[vryhpyammoadded]

I haven’t played any mods for Doomsday but I really enjoyed the CORE mod for HOI1 and HOI2. I’m also impressed the creators of the game actually listened to the fans and made significant changes to the latest version.

Like I said earlier, the AI isn’t half bad, although earlier versions did some stupid and bizarre things. They can be a challenge at its highest difficulty level but this game really shines when you get some human brains behind the thinking.
The few HOI2 36-48 games I’ve played with human competitors had some really fun twists and turns in every arena like the one where Germany held back a bit, spent time on researching better gear and diplomacy bringing Spain, Turkey and Argentina into the axis. Or the really twisted game where the US and Japan went at it in 37 over China. Then made nice and later were both attacked by Russia in 39. I suspect it had something to do with the US and Japanese both taking out the Communist Chinese.
The subtlest thing I’ve seen someone do was crash the American economy in 1939. It was really cool. The German player kept hammering US influence as the US player overstressed the economy. He also influenced Central America and Mexico forcing a US intervention. The US dissent spiked, the German hit again with influence all around, resources were short and the US player was compensating when suddenly his dissent shot above 30%. The economy abruptly deflated to less than that of Brazil, dissent shot even higher and it triggered some events none of us knew existed in the game.
Anyway, the gist of it was that the US was economically taken out of WWII and forced to deal with internal disruptions.

[Laworkerbee]

Its strategic warfare in WWII. It's a lot of fun on its own and there are several mods for it too that make it even better. Check out the Historical Improvement Project (HIP) mod. I keep it on my laptop for when I'm on the road (like now) and I have a total blast with it. Never played MP, though.

Ok so I bought it on Friday and played it a bit this weekend, reading some posts here I decided to start as Russia.

I started work on infrastructure and fort building in 1936, I went along with the invasion of Poland just to give me some buffer space. When zee Germans attacked I fought some good delaying actions until my troops made it to the forts, I counter attacked from the South with the few T-34's I was able to produce along with many BT-7's and routed several Hungarian and German divisions.

The Eastern front in my game looks a lot like a replay of the first world war not the second, in all it's a good dame....are there any mods that let you fight past 1947?

[Hellfish]

The Doomsday version of the game lets you play to either '53 or '55. Try the HIP mod for HoI2 or Doomsday (DD) for more of a challenge.

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193527

[vryhpyammoadded]

You might find some data at the following links

General forum for Doomsday
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=327 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=327)

Thread on the no time limit mods
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91395 (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=91395)

It appears there are a few arguments as to how to bypass the time limit.

[Laworkerbee]

Awesome, I've got a slow day at work so I think I'll play all day long :)

[Hellfish]

Awesome, I've got a slow day at work so I think I'll play all day long :)

Lucky ****er. I'm writing reports all day. :-(

[Laworkerbee]

Lucky ****er. I'm writing reports all day. :-(

Ug I'd rather have my face eaten, as soon as the Audi presentation is done it's off to the Eastern Front for me woot

[Huhtis]

I had HOI 1 and Doomsday sounds interesting, going to get it as soon as possible and have a try woot

[vryhpyammoadded]

Any rumors of a Mod for this game using current events say between 2006-2026?

By the way, it’s now spring 1947 and I have four nukes ready to go! Now if I could only get the other players organized enough to exploit the hole I’m going to make in the Russian front. Then again, maybe I should hold back till I have six nukes…
Overkill, it’s the only way to be sure.

[Apathy]

Do any of you veteran players know how to be able to play as Siberia at the beginning of the game?

[Jani.R]

Do any of you veteran players know how to be able to play as Siberia at the beginning of the game?

Edit the game files and make Siberia as independent country? But why would you want to play it? I don't think theres any industry there.

[Apathy]

Edit the game files and make Siberia as independent country? But why would you want to play it? I don't think theres any industry there.

Playing as the big countries is boring for me. I like to play small countries and expand across the world.

[Jani.R]

Playing as the big countries is boring for me. I like to play small countries and expand across the world.

Well try playing with Brazil/Sweden/Argentina/Mexico, they are powerfull minors and with some free-slider changing can take over the world three-times in a row.

[Hooahman]

I am thinking of getting HoI2 and was wonder if HoI2 Doomsday includes the original HoI2, or if it is like an 'expansion pack'? Like should I buy both, or does HoI2: DD include the vanilla HoI2?

[Johnny_H02]

Contains HIO2 and Doomsday it just adds content in addition to giving you the full game i believe

[Lord Of War]

I am thinking of getting HoI2 and was wonder if HoI2 Doomsday includes the original HoI2, or if it is like an 'expansion pack'? Like should I buy both, or does HoI2: DD include the vanilla HoI2?

HOI2 Doomsday includes the orignail HOI2 so there is no need to buy both.

[Hooahman]

Thanks for the help and information :).

[Laworkerbee]

I wish I had never checked this thread out, I'm playing HOI waaaaaay too friggen much ever since I returned from Maui. Perhaps I should have started with another country than Russia since I've spent 4-5 hours a night on the Eastern front for the past 3 days.

I've started work on the atomic bomb

RUSSIA STRONG!!!!1111!! woot

[Lord Of War]

RUSSIA STRONG!!!!1111!! woot

Russia indeed strong, I've been playing them for about 7 hours now and I've taken the Balkans, Middle East and all of India and I'm at war with Germany, But they never invaded Poland or annexed Austria so there is no way that they can attack me as there is a natural land barrier. But soon my armies will smash through Austria and take Germany. Then with no major superpower powerful to stop me I will probly get bored and start again as the UK or somthing.

[Laworkerbee]

I'm going to play as Finland next :)

[Hellfish]

I like playing as Mexico.

[Apathy]

Is anyone else still addicted to this game?

[Hellfish]

Yes. I've even started tweaking it.

[Anthony91]

Is this a downloadable game? If so, does anyone have a link?

[vryhpyammoadded]

Is anyone else still addicted to this game?

Every other Sunday morning for about two hours.
I have to resort to an oven timer ringing me out of obsessing, entering the video game time problem where an hour of perceived play turns into tomorrow.
We are currently doing a hypothetical of the old Naval Plan Red "US vs UK"

As for a download, I'm not really sure but there's sure to be a torrent out there somewhere.
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/heartsofiron2_dd.asp

[Banzai!]

Any rumors of a Mod for this game using current events say between 2006-2026?



Modern Day Scenario 2. Look in the "other mods and projects" section of the HoI2 official forums.

[Kingswat]

I just installed hearts of iron 2 for lack of anything good to play.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Just thought I’d reawaken an old thread saying that Hearts of Iron 3 is in production for Q3 2009 release.

[Vehemence]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts_of_Iron_III

This is an excellent series. Glad they keep refining the model.