Saudi Arabia threats Israel

[andrew_rsa]

(source: www.fok.nl; http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/66804; soz for any bad translations)

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has threatened Israel with war if the country doesn't stop their attacks on Lebanon and on Palestine. "If the peace option fails, it is because of Israeli arrogance. In this case there will not be any other option than war," the Arabian king said in a statement that was read on Saudi television today.

According to the king the Arabs have tried to keep the peace, but Israel's stance has prevented this. His patience is now almost at an end. If Israel doesn't change it's position, Saudi Arabia will revert to harsher measures than only words. The Saudi King also promised more money to Lebanon and the Palestinians.

Earlier today the Israelian Premier Olmet said that Israel will not stop attacks on Lebanon in the forseeable future. They will also continue with their "battle" (couldnt think of a better word) with Hezbollah. US Secetary of State Condoleeze Rice stands behind Israel on this matter. Yesterday she said that there couldn't be a cease-fire as long as Hezbollah and other terrorist groups attack Israel.




http://images.fok.nl/upload/060725_108939_Abdullah_of_Saudi_Arabia.jpg
Koning Abdullah van Saudi-Arabië



What do u guys think of this? I think that this is really unsetteling for the region.. It is the first Arab country that has vocally said that they are going to do something unless Israel stop their offensive.

(im pro-israel btw)

[shire19]

This sounds hard to believe, I dont know much about FOK but how credible is it?

[Clarsachier]

I'd queston the translation of the King's statement. No way Saudi Arabia will
pi** their money away like that.

[andrew_rsa]

fok is normally quite credible.. but it said that this was translated from a statement on their television.. ill check out the creds now hold on a min

-- edit --

http://www.elsevier.nl/nieuws/buitenland/nieuwsbericht/asp/artnr/107607/index.html

thats the link and elsevier is the dutch equivelant of time magazine.. so i presume its a correct translation.. the only reason i can think of it being fake is the fact that no major news organization has posted this like CNN or BBC.. maybe theyre a bit slow today:D

[Durandal]

Its in the J Post too...

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291995278&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

We need to get alternative fuels ASAP so we can let these dudes flap in the wind.

[ed316]

If he said this in HIS own country I can see it happening. What they say at home and abroad don't gel. Just look at thier school textbook.

[Durandal]

If he said this in HIS own country I can see it happening. What they say at home and abroad don't gel. Just look at thier school textbook.

Like I said...we need to wash our hands of the crooks and enemies ASAP...

[ed316]

You better start planting corn on that farm of yours.

[andrew_rsa]

yeah think im gonna by me a car that runs on windenergy or something.. or sh*t i forgot! i live in holland so i still got my bike:P

[shire19]

If you scroll down on the comments posted by users you'll seen an ******* link;


RIYADH, July 25 (*******) - Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah warned on Tuesday of war in the Middle East if Israel continues attacking Lebanon and the Palestinians, in an apparent appeal to key ally the United States to end the fighting. "Saudi Arabia warns everybody that if the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war," state-owned media quoted the king as saying.

His comments were unusually forthright for Saudi Arabia, which has called for a ceasefire but has also blamed Lebanon's Hizbollah guerrilla group for starting the fighting which has so far claimed 411 lives in Lebanon and 42 in Israel.

Analysts say the kingdom, the world's top oil exporter, and other key U.S. allies such as Jordan and Egypt fear that popular anger could escalate and force them to take an aggressive stance over Israel that angers Washington and worsens the crisis.
Rest at ******* (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L25115098.htm)

Hopefully this crisis will end before it comes to that (if at all)

[Prodigal]

remember guys that ISRAEL is surrounded by ARAB countries... if ISREAL will continue its relatiliation and aggression.. definitely.. ARAB coutnries will act and react to that aggression by all means necessary.. and yes war is eminent... let it be... let there be war in the ME and oil prices will jack up high!

God BLESS us ALL!!!

[Durandal]

You better start planting corn on that farm of yours.


Soybeans this year....nothing I can do about that, its in the rotation for next.

What we need to do is build a crap load of new, state of the art nuclear reactors and sell nothing but hybrid diesel cars and light trucks...

That would be a lot cheaper than caring about a single goddamn thing in the ME and Gulf...

Right now its sort of like fighting World War II and supplying hard currency to Germany and Italy for natural resources.

[elephantkiller]

things are getting out of control in that region. i think that is probably just an empty threat, but damn he is pissed.

[Switek]

Most official voices threathing Israel are mainly for internal purposes to calm down radicals and public opinion... There should be more such initiatives in the region soon.

[Macs.]

Better stop selling arms to them.

[signatory]

Did anyone see this ?

Saudi sheikh issues fatwa against Hizbullah
UPI

July 24, 2006

RIYADH -- Saudi Arabian Wahhabi Sheikh Abdullah Bin Jabreen has declared it illegal for Muslims to join, support, or pray for militant group Hizbullah.

Jabreen declared a fatwa against the group for its actions against Israel, revealing a divide among Sunni Muslims over the issue of the Israel-Hizbullah conflict, the New York Sun reported on Friday.

The Wahhabi sects have largely come out against Hizbullah's actions in the region but some Sunni fundamentalist groups, including the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, have pledged support for the Shia militant group. The brotherhood was planning a rally on Friday to support the militants at Cairo's Al Azhar mosque.

Sheikh Hamid Al Ali, in Kuwait, issued a statement on July 13, the day after two Israeli soldiers were abducted by Hizbullah, condemning the organization's actions and describing the conflict as a result of Iran's imperialistic ambitions in Israel.

The governments of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia have also condemned the actions of Hizbullah.

http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060724-041632-4671r

[RNLMC]

I say let let us give them both a option stop the fighting or lets nato take care of them both and let this problem stop . this i going on for to long so isreal back down and saudi stfu I HAVE SPOKEN

[ed316]

I say let let us give them both a option stop the fighting or lets nato take care of them both and let this problem stop . this i going on for to long so isreal back down and saudi stfu I HAVE SPOKEN
What about hezballah backing down?

[Big Lebowski]

i dont think it's the hizbollah thats on the attack right now..

[ed316]

How did it start?

[Durandal]

I say let let us give them both a option stop the fighting or lets nato take care of them both and let this problem stop . this i going on for to long so isreal back down and saudi stfu I HAVE SPOKEN

Not too sure what this has to do with NATO.

[Big Lebowski]

How did it start?
hizbollah attacking patrols kidnapping 2 and blowing up a tank killing a total of 8 soldiers.

[theholeinthedonut]

i dont think it's the hizbollah thats on the attack right now..
I'll buy you a last minute flight to Haifa mate! So you can check it out yourself

[Durandal]

I'll buy you a last minute flight to Haifa mate! So you can check it out yourself

Ease up on the poor guy, poorly educated children have problems grasping the natural right to self defense. :)

[Big Lebowski]

yes i would agree it to be self defence if they would just bomb missile sites.. but they are during alot more then that. right now IDF is on a offensive.

i defently dont agree with hizbollah.. but neither with the IDF's bombings of a whole country

[ed316]

So it's better if Israel was on the defensive?

[Freibier]

Dunno, but bombing civilians, children included, sureley doesn't help

[Climber]

Dunno, but bombing civilians, children included, sureley doesn't help

Not it doesn't, but I don't remember a war in modern times in which civilians wasn't bombed.

[ed316]

Dunno, but bombing civilians, children included, sureley doesn't help
If hezballah came out to an open field it would help but I doubt they would do such a thing. Sad as it seems but modern warfare and future conflicts will be in urban area. There will be more dead civilians in the future because i don't see war ending anytime soon.

[Exer]

Hizbollah is pressing buttons when firing rockets into israel, plus killing soldiers and kidnapping two. Iam pretty sure that the israeli didnt arty lebanon before that

[theholeinthedonut]

Dunno, but bombing civilians, children included, sureley doesn't help
Even Un's Eggland conceded today that Hezb'allah was deliberatly blending its military infrastructure into civilian neighborhoods to maximize the number of innocent casualties. You can check it out on todays internet edition of "Der Spiegel".
On the side and just for the record. For years the whole of the Lebanese society got on quite well with Hezb'allah ......each let the other go on with its business without interfering. In Beirut you had a booming economy, wild parties, sexy girls and posh nightclubs for the sheiks from the Gulf but the zealots from Hezb'allah closed both eyes and let the happy people have their way! In return no one really cared what Iran's henchmen were doing in the South, Nasrullah was free to do whatever he wanted to! Both sides were happy. Now there has been quite a rude awakening. Sounds cynic!? Hey man sorry but that's how life goes.

[Clarsachier]

“It must be said that patience can’t last forever, and if the brutal Israeli military continues to kill and destroy, no one can foresee what may happen,” the king said.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=81341888&p=8y34zy9x&n=81342268

I (still) don't see any indication Saudi Arabia intends to take part in this War.

Most people (in the ME) probably believe that HRH Faud could obtain cease fire any time he wanted by ringing up 'w' and threatening to 'tighten the oil tap.'p-)

[Durandal]

Listen, here is the deal.

You have Lebanon, who after years of civil war and occupation by at least three powers (Syria, Israel, and in no small way Iran) decided to let Hezbolah chill in their country and let them have some if not more than some political legitimacy.

Hezbolah's actions are Lebanon's actions and if Lebanon wants to avoid future strife they need to shut Hezbolah down.

If they cannot do it, they can ask for help from countries that are NOT Iran and Syria.

Either way, they did nothing about Hezbolah and now they are feeling the repercussions of that decision.

Is it unfortunate? Sure. Is it wrong and illegal?

Not by ANY stretch.

[Eddy]

It would be about time Saudi Arabia finally uses all those fancy weapons they bought last century

[Clarsachier]

against the U.S. would be far more effective than any trial by arms.
Just like last time. The risks would seem to be less.

[Clarsachier]

Listen, here is the deal.

Is it unfortunate? Sure. Is it wrong and illegal?

Not by ANY stretch.

I completely disagree.

100 percent approval of Israels actions is exclusively rubberstamp political
programming found only here in the states. Wheather DemoRepublican or
otherwise.

Wheather or not Israel had justifications for their initial assault against Lebannon, they've completely exceeded any moral justification when they
began carpet bombing civilian targets evidently, out of frustration that their
pinpoint bombing campaign failed to stop the rockets.

Edited to pvd a link - BTW, an excellent forum for the debate on the legality is here ;
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/index.php?edition=world

[Freibier]

Wheather or not Israel had justifications for their initial assault against Lebannon, they've completely exceeded any moral justification when they
began carpet bombing civilian targets evidently, out of frustration that their
pinpoint bombing campaign failed to stop the rockets.
Yeah, that's what I meant

[*TeUFeL*]

gosh, trust me bro, if israel decides to carpet bomb Lebanon, as u say, the fight would be over by now.

i think israel is doing more than enough to avoid the civilian casualties, specially with the small pieces of paper falling from the sky telling everybody (also hizbulla) that they are going to bomb a location.

what about hizbulla´s habit of having and firing rockets from civilian locations??? do u think that could affect the amount of civilian casualties???

[perdurabo]

Soybeans this year....nothing I can do about that, its in the rotation for next.

What we need to do is build a crap load of new, state of the art nuclear reactors and sell nothing but hybrid diesel cars and light trucks...

That would be a lot cheaper than caring about a single goddamn thing in the ME and Gulf...

Right now its sort of like fighting World War II and supplying hard currency to Germany and Italy for natural resources.
Yanks you should build railways, to pull 1 tone you need 1,5hp on rail and 15 on road, electrical locomotives and power from nuclear plants, trams, troleys and LRT in cities....

[ed316]

I
Wheather or not Israel had justifications for their initial assault against Lebannon, they've completely exceeded any moral justification when they
began carpet bombing civilian targets evidently, out of frustration that their
pinpoint bombing campaign failed to stop the rockets.

Edited to pvd a link - BTW, an excellent forum for the debate on the legality is here ;
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/index.php?edition=world


Moral justification? When did Isreal start to carpet bomb Lebanon? Do you even know what carpet bombing is?


Read UN Resolution 1368,1373,and 1377 if you are so caught up in the legality. I guess Hezballah get's a free pass according to you.

[Firetxmi]

Yanks you should build railways, to pull 1 tone you need 1,5hp on rail and 15 on road, electrical locomotives and power from nuclear plants, trams, troleys and LRT in cities....

I think high speed railways in the U.S. would be a great idea. Even look to Canada (Via Rail) and you will see how it has potential to work.

[XShipRider]

My understanding, if there can be such an animal, is the Saudi royal
family holds a precarious grip on power. Lusting after global money
through capitalist crude sales all the while trying to console and placate
the fundamentalist Islamic masses, clearly a threat to power, within it's
borders. If true, it only makes sense to make public statements
supporting kissing cousins.

Or am I stating the obvious?

[Clarsachier]

=ed316]Moral justification? When did Isreal start to carpet bomb Lebanon?

Approximately after the third day - when the initial bombing campaign failed to
slow the rocket attacks.


Do you even know what carpet bombing is?

What's English not your first language, or something? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing


Read UN Resolution 1368,1373,and 1377 if you are so caught up in the legality. I guess Hezballah get's a free pass according to you.[/QUOTE]

You should read them again, they have no bearing on my post.

This topic is Saudi Arabia threatens Israel : I think it was more of a warning. But if it was a threat, Saudi Arabia's using it's oil clout would be much more effective than anything they could possibly do militarily.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Israel is not carpet bombing anybody, Lebanon is not being destroyed (notice all the video that CNN etc takes at night of the Lebanon hillsides - all the lights are on, the shops are open, hell the neon lights for the ***** bars are still burning)- and if Israel really wanted to up the ante they'd do more than these piddly little small scale incursions. They'd be taking afternoon tea in Damascus. They are fighting an enemy who by design looks like, lives with, and hides behind civilians. The media reports that Israel crammed a JDAM into an ambulance...horrors! They leave out the part where the ambulance was being used to transport fighters and arms. Some people just play into their game hook line and sinker.

Most regional governments are as unhappy with Hezbollah as Israel is. They just have to walk a fine line internally, because a certain percentage of their population is nuts.

[mikeytwo]

Looks all strange to me. If you want get rid of Hezbollanh. Take out their financers and not a fragile democracy just more or less freed from one of these financers. There is no logic in hitting Lebanon if you want to gert rid of Hezbollah. This is only a temporary solution. Look at Operation Peace for Galilee. Same thing. PLO is sent out, Hezbollah gets created. You can't fight terror on the long run with military actions alone. You will have to improve the quality of life of potential terrorists. The US presented a report at the beginning of Bush Presidency With the same result. You can't beat terror purely with military assets.

[Firetxmi]

Lebanon is not being destroyed (notice all the video that CNN etc takes at night of the Lebanon hillsides - all the lights are on, the shops are open, hell the neon lights for the ***** bars are still burning)- and if Israel really wanted to up the ante they'd do more than these piddly little small scale incursions.



Evacuees say food in Lebanon scarce as UN aid begins


By Michael Winfrey Mon Jul 24, 6:56 PM ET

LARNACA, Cyprus (*******) - Evacuees fleeing Israeli bombing in Lebanon said on Tuesday they feared family and friends they left behind were running out of food as the United Nations announced the start of a major relief operation.

Fewer boats carrying evacuees were expected to arrive in Cypriot and Turkish ports as attention turned to the far greater number of people who lack the means to leave Lebanon.

"Everybody where I lived is running out of bread, food, water, money. It's very bad," said Mohammad Kaleb, a 29-year-old Australian, as he came ashore in Cyprus from a boat that had carried 750 people to safety.

Another Australian, Marcelle Henna, 26, echoed his concern.

"In my village it is still all right, but people are buying things in huge quantities. They are afraid of running out, in case anything happens like an (Israeli) invasion," she said.

"Shops are raising prices, which makes problems worse."

U.N. emergency relief coordinator Jan Egeland, returning to Cyprus after a fact-finding trip to Beirut, said the world body would start its first large convoy of aid supplies on Wednesday and a second would leave on Friday.

"We will be going every second day from then on... There is no more time, aid is long overdue," he told reporters.

Egeland said he would travel to Israel on Tuesday and urge it to provide safe passage for the aid convoys.

"I will ask the Israelis to shield the population. I have seen too many wounded children, too many wounded women, and hundreds of thousands fleeing," he said.

Egeland, who earlier appealed for $150 million in emergency humanitarian aid for Lebanan, said that Israeli destruction of bridges and other infrastructure would slow the relief effort.

"The civilians are in some areas trapped and don't have roads to escape on," he said.

Cypriot authorities say some 35,000 evacuees had reached the holiday island as of Monday morning, of whom 23,000 had already traveled home. Western officials say the numbers of their nationals trying to leave Lebanon has now fallen off.

Turkey has opened its Mediterranean port of Mersin to the evacuees, relieving some of the strain on tiny Cyprus, whose limited facilities have been sorely strained by the crisis.

U.S. officials said more than 12,000 Americans had now left Lebanon. France said it had evacuated 4,450 French nationals and 1,150 foreigners as of midday on Monday.

(Additional reporting by Michele Kambas in Larnaca)

Damn, your right. Sounds almost as cheery as Baghdad. Do you have your ticket yet?

[Flagg]

Soybeans this year....nothing I can do about that, its in the rotation for next.

Good luck with your crop.....the commodities guru I follow(Jim Rogers) is betting AG commodities are WAY undervalued relative to other recent commodity price increases...I agree and am up to my eyeballs in Soy futures so it looks like we're in the same boat...except I don't know how to actually make anything grow :)


What we need to do is build a crap load of new, state of the art nuclear reactors and sell nothing but hybrid diesel cars and light trucks...

I agree with the nuke thing......and it will happen eventually in the US in my opinion(China's currently preparing to build about eleventeen hundred nuke plants with the money they made from selling us a trillion dollars worth of rubber dog poop).....invest in uranium producers...the stuff might be worth more than gold some day.

As far as the diesel and hybrid thingie...I agree with the diesel part....I switched over to mostly diesel cars and trucks for personal and work fleet use recently...I think it would be good to see the CAFE fuel economy standards standards raised aggressively, but leaving manufacurers a bit of time to sort our their production lines to suit.

That would be a lot cheaper than caring about a single goddamn thing in the ME and Gulf...

Right now its sort of like fighting World War II and supplying hard currency to Germany and Italy for natural resources.

Agreed.......

But I doubt Saudi rhetoric is that serious(but what do I know)..Israel could take out Saudi capabilities in a single afternoon.....but they can't do jack about Saudi's oil weapon.

And I think it's in Israel's short-term best interest for the corrupt Saudi leadership to remain in power in what could potentially turn out to be the most expensive and painful game of "musical chairs" the world will ever see that will play out over the next couple of decades.

[For_israelis]

So is he planning to take over Jordan or try and land on Eilat beaches?

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Damn, your right. Sounds almost as cheery as Baghdad. Do you have your ticket yet?

I think you're laboring under the misapprehension that the opposite of these wars was peace.

Personally, I figure the Saudis are just doing a little tough talking so that they are not lost in the shuffle. Nobody wants an ongoing conflict, but there's no point in wasting a perfectly good opportunity to do a little political grandstanding.

[Laworkerbee]

I find it laughable that the Saudi's would threaten the Israeli's rofl

Abdullah must have been hitting the bottle or something

[RNLMC]

thousand matter ho is defending and ho is attacking why is it that isreal is fighting at multipel fronts clearly its isreal that has a problem with thes countrys they do evrything to meat there agenda i say that isreal has to be put to there place and let the international cumunity solv this iam not on anybody side but isreal is by doing what they are doing wright now cleary provoking a nother war .
there more than one offers for intenational force but they ingorne they offers so

[Durandal]

thousand matter ho is defending and ho is attacking why is it that isreal is fighting at multipel fronts clearly its isreal that has a problem with thes countrys they do evrything to meat there agenda i say that isreal has to be put to there place and let the international cumunity solv this iam not on anybody side but isreal is by doing what they are doing wright now cleary provoking a nother war .
there more than one offers for intenational force but they ingorne they offers so

Go back to smoking your weed.

[Paul in Saudi2]

Better stop selling arms to them.


Them? The Israelis, the Saudis or the giant ants? I vote for all three.

[RNLMC]

Go back to smoking your weed.
not very respect full but never the less i dont give the **** let them kill each other maybe brings some work for us in the near futher

[Zvucni Efekti]

Them? The Israelis, the Saudis or the giant ants? I vote for all three.

American Corporations rake in billions of dollars annualy selling arms to Israel, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia. Peace in the Middle East is not in the CEOs' interests, thus it is not in the American government's interests.

[Satellite Weapon]

Saudi Arabia says it opposes Shiite plan to divide Iraq into federal regions
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/17/africa/ME_GEN_Saudi_Iraq.php


Oil Rises After Saudi Arabia Says It Backs an OPEC Output Cut
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=awrbe7_GA28U&refer=europe

[LRPV]

Personally, I figure the Saudis are just doing a little tough talking so that they are not lost in the shuffle. Nobody wants an ongoing conflict, but there's no point in wasting a perfectly good opportunity to do a little political grandstanding.[/quote]

Ever been called a cynic?:) :) :)
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PS...I agree, the Royal family has been in trouble for years. There is high unemployment amongst Saudi youth and the rising discontent may cause this generation to gravitate away from Royal to Republican rule.

If I was an Israeli, I wouldn't push the PANIC button until the Saudis kick the US military out.

[peace_puma]

Dunno, but bombing civilians, children included, sureley doesn't help

Does Israel atack civil people?, do you think that?... Lie, i mean, if israel really got the intention and the wishes of kill people here and there, Israel could disapear the lebanon in one night, a Air Force with more than 340 F-16 and almost 100 F-15, one of the huges army in the world and just for example of them aereal force, they limited just 150 daily missions, and just in the half of them, they used arms, I think that you have to find out more information and see the one who really tape-worm like goal to kill to civil .


Salu2

[Litti]

I suppose those 4 million cluster bombs were put there in order to take out the terrorists after the conflict?

I mean it is very likely after all that a trained fighter will pick up a cluster bomb from the ground and play with it and not an unsuspecting child for example?

[peace_puma]

I suppose those 4 million cluster bombs were put there in order to take out the terrorists after the conflict?

I mean it is very likely after all that a trained fighter will pick up a cluster bomb from the ground and play with it and not an unsuspecting child for example?


4 millions of bombs used for Israel in 34 days of war ???

:) :) :)



Shalom

[LRPV]

I suppose those 4 million cluster bombs were put there in order to take out the terrorists after the conflict?

I mean it is very likely after all that a trained fighter will pick up a cluster bomb from the ground and play with it and not an unsuspecting child for example?


Don't mess up a good story with facts.:roll: