I love G36

[MaDuce]

The G36 family of weapons by H&K is my favoraite. It's very mordern and realible. It is also what the XM8 is based on.
G36 Rifle
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36_l_400.jpg
G36k
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36k_r_400.jpg
MG36
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/mg36_l_400.jpg
G36c entry weapon
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36c_l_400.jpg

[Seraphim]

I love poon, of the tang variety.

[mustamato]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/g36_l_400.jpg
... everything can be improved.

[Operation Ivy]

yes i think its sexy to :D

[He219]

... everything can be improved.

take a look at this:

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/2925134.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DED9C22FE44E3D24631C0B37219292B034

WASHINGTON - FEBRUARY 3: A member of the U.S. Capitol police stands guard in front of the Dirksen Senate Building February 3, 2004 in Washington, DC. Three Senate office buildings are closed February 3 after a suspicious white powder was found in the Senate majority leader's office. (Photo by Mark Wilson/***** Images)

p-)

[Romulus]

Damn that is a sharp looking weapon. Who manufactures the G36's? Germany? ??

[He219]

Damn that is a sharp looking weapon. Who manufactures the G36's? Germany? ??
Yes, designed and manufactured by Heckler & Koch at Oberndorf/Neckar in the Black Forrest, Germany.

Do you have a brother called Remus, Romulus?
;)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/3613023849.03.IN01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/heer/040205_500_gal_ksk_06.jpg

[Romulus]

Do you have a brother called Remus, Romulus?

LOL ! I get that alot. No it was actually the name of the town in Michigan I was born in.

Back to the topic. Which army uses this rifle? Is it standard issue for German troops? I was also suprised to see the Capitol police with this thing.

[He219]

Standard armament for both the German and Spanish Armed Forces.

The connection goes back to the StG. 45m and the German weapons developers that won employment in Spain immediately after WWII and designed the G3.

The Capitol Police and also other independent police departments (like Baltimore) use them ...

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1518464.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEE59C1158AE91FAC67181960875E7BEAC

BALTIMORE, MD - OCTOBER 24: One of a motorcade of vehicles transporting and escorting two sniper suspects enters the U.S. Courthouse for an arraignment hearing October 24, 2002 in Baltimore, Maryland. The suspects, John Lee Malvo, 17-years-old, and John Allen Muhammad, a 41-year-old U.S. Army veteran, were arrested earlier this morning at a rest stop in Mysersville, Maryland. (Photo by Mario Tama/***** Images)

http://cache.*****images.com/comp/1518469.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEE59C1158AE91FAC6FD3C614DE2A4EC48
^ UMP here

[MaDuce]

if brits don'y adopt XM8 they should take this instead of POS L8A2

[He219]

Considering that our British friends have first dibs on HK (minority ownership stake), they very may well do just that - in good time nontheless.

They just fixed the problems with the SA80 at great expense and it will be a while until it is phased out ....

You must have seen CX20's pic's of Bobbies with them at some airport.

[Romulus]

Thanks he219. You were very helpful. I was totally unaware that Baltimore police had this in their department. woot

[He219]

Anytime Romulus.
:D


One more pic:

http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/webphoto/web_040117-N-0331L-021.jpg
Hi-Res (http://www.news.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/040117-N-0331L-021.jpg)

Arabian Sea (Jan. 17, 2004) -- Spanish Special Operations Forces (SOF) soldiers partner with a U.S. Marine assigned to the 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit (13th MEU) after searching the Military Sealift Command (MSC) combat stores ship USNS Saturn (T-AFS 10) during a mock non-compliant boarding as part of exercise Sea Saber 2004.

[Operation Ivy]

Thanks he219. You were very helpful. I was totally unaware that Baltimore police had this in their department. woot

Go Maryland! :D

[Romulus]

Yeah too bad the regular street cops don't carry this baby around. Might actually scare some sense into the bastards that ruined Baltimores night life (gang bangers/drug dealers).

[CannibalSquirel]

G-36? :roll:

Damm it, I really prefer blondes. p-)

[Gringo]

http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/heer/040205_500_gal_ksk_06.jpg

is tht a G36C that the guy on the left is using?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Sure is - with loads of bolt-on goodies.

[Kitsune]

He219 wrote:

Considering that our British friends have first dibs on HK (minority ownership stake), they very may well do just that - in good time nontheless.

They just fixed the problems with the SA80 at great expense and it will be a while until it is phased out ....

Heckler&Koch fixed them. ;)

[Haiw]

http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/heer/040205_500_gal_ksk_06.jpg

is tht a G36C that the guy on the left is using?
Whatever it is, it looks like it had a 'vacation' in Afghanistan... ;)

[Claymore]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/g36_l_400.jpg
... everything can be improved.

Just a nice stamped lion&tower would be better than "shoot here" emblem.

[Nite]

http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/heer/040205_500_gal_ksk_06.jpg

is tht a G36C that the guy on the left is using?
No, it's a G36K withe RAS-Forend.

[ShadowNeo]

He219 wrote:
Quote:
Considering that our British friends have first dibs on HK (minority ownership stake), they very may well do just that - in good time nontheless.

They just fixed the problems with the SA80 at great expense and it will be a while until it is phased out ....


Heckler&Koch fixed them.


Im not sure if they were at the time, but Heckler & Koch I believe were British owned for a period of time (may have been during the SA80A2 upgrades) but was then sold/repossesed by Germany/German Firm?

I think, as He219 stated, we might still have a stake in the company.

[ALBANIAN]

He219 wrote:
Quote:
Considering that our British friends have first dibs on HK (minority ownership stake), they very may well do just that - in good time nontheless.

They just fixed the problems with the SA80 at great expense and it will be a while until it is phased out ....


Heckler&Koch fixed them.


Im not sure if they were at the time, but Heckler & Koch I believe were British owned for a period of time (may have been during the SA80A2 upgrades) but was then sold/repossesed by Germany/German Firm?

I think, as He219 stated, we might still have a stake in the company.

I supose HK is still owned by Brittish Aerospace.

[mustamato]

http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v33/mustamato/annat/g36_l_400.jpg
... everything can be improved.

Just a nice stamped lion&tower would be better than "shoot here" emblem.

Of course, but the tower was a little overkill to Photoshop in place on such a
small photo, and I guess not much people know what the tower means either,
hence the emblem.

http://www.teres.fi/erna/2001/kuvat/04-tiistai/IMG_1513.jpg
... tower

[REMOV]

I supose HK is still owned by Brittish Aerospace.Nope.
Source: http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/history.html
The 21st Century brought corporate changes to Heckler & Koch. Though the product line remains the same, the ownership has changed. BAE Systems sold Heckler & Koch to a group of investors, two of whom have assisted with the growth of Heckler & Koch for more than 20 years.

[deutschersoldat]

no h&k is back in german hands

[mustamato]

...sold Heckler & Koch to a group of investors

Group of investors doesn´t sound that promising though. I guess the H&K M4
is a sign of that. What is next? H&K Kalashnikov?

[Claymore]

Actually H&K 1911.

[Bob the Drunk]

http://www.imageshack.us/img1/4598/aaron_g37.jpg

This is a cool G36 pic. Notice the shells...

A fun afternoon of shooting.

[flickme]

G36 is quite possibly my favorite modern gun. ;)

[Parzival]

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload1/44444.JPG
Swedish soldiers advancing

[ALBANIAN]

The G36 family of weapons by H&K is my favoraite. It's very mordern and realible. It is also what the XM8 is based on.
G36 Rifle
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36_l_400.jpg
G36k
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36k_r_400.jpg
MG36
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/mg36_l_400.jpg
G36c entry weapon
http://home.c2i.net/johnhe/g36c_l_400.jpg

Personally I think G36, is the best rifle ever costructed.

[MaDuce]

Like father
http://www.hk-usa.com/images/g36fullmain.jpg
Like son
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg

[HELEX]

The folding stock of the G36 is a bit problematic, if you do not unlock it and use some force it will not break but fold too... nothing damaged by that but I dont know if that is a good thing or not.

[deutschersoldat]

a pic of my girlfriend :hug:

http://bundeswehrtreff.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=60&sid=

[Argyll]

I like the G36 as well,we shoulda gone with that instead of the SA80

[ArmedPacifist]

The G36 enterprises the quality of German weapons, I would rather have it then the C7. The only problem being that G36 mags are quite large and will not fit into Canadian webbing easily. :)

[HELEX]

But it wasnt finished when SA80 was issued....

But HK33 and G41, german Army wanted a gas operated gun because Roller locking is more expensive.

The AR18 was the best gas operated system available that time...

[RomanS]

I think its an awesome weapon.
The only problem I have, everytime I shoot it is the magazines.

For some reason it feels weak, when you squeeze it.
just my 02

Otherwise, an outstanding weapon indeed!

[Catch22]

Glad to hear that form someone who has certain insight in russian weaponry. I guess G36 isnt that strudy as AK and its relatives nevertheless it seems to be one of most reliable NATO weapons. And it seems that K variants after implementing all those Milstd rails and grips are to become a weapon of choice for many western SF.
:)

[Romulus]

G36 looks awsome, but whats with the XM8?

http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg

Looks like a damn Super Soaker 3000 squirt gun. rofl

[ArmedPacifist]

Romulus, go cloak yourself now and get the hell out of my sight at warp 9.

:bash:

[Romulus]

Romulus, go cloak yourself now and get the hell out of my sight at warp 9.

You know you agree with me. :hug:

[Ratamacue]

Romulus, go cloak yourself now and get the hell out of my sight at warp 9.

:bash:

rofl

[Operation Ivy]

Dont look bad to me :D

Compact
http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/XM1.jpg

The "Normal One"
http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/XM82.jpg

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/xm8.jpg

[Catch22]

And I seriously doubt if you can set this HK phaser to stun... ;)

[Romulus]

And I seriously doubt if you can set this HK phaser to stun..

HA!!!! rofl


PS... I hate Star trek by the way.

[Fintin]

the G 36 is a great weapon, rails can be added for toys, is reliable, and doesnt have pointless extras. the xm8 on the other hand seems to have been designed to look good....randomly adding plastic to form a nice shap.....i vote we just get HK to redo the M4s...or we just switch over to the g36 seems like a cheeper option

[Ratamacue]

The XM8 is basically a G36 with a better sight and Americanized controls. As far as I know they're adding picatinny rails before putting it into service. I don't get why so many people give a **** about how it looks. If the gun performs well, why does it matter?

[Shrap]

The commando version doesn't have any kind of stock though, should be hard to fire.

[HELEX]

The commando version doesn't have any kind of stock though, should be hard to fire

That is no commando version, it is the self defense version for truck drivers and so on when you have no space for any kind of stock. Just a bullet sprayer.

[DeltaWhisky58]

Having looked at many of the photos/videos of US troops using M-4 variants in GW2, a huge majority seem to leave their collapsible stocks at the shortest (or close to shortest) setting, this must result in difficulty in acquiring a proper sight picture. I feel that a similar problem could occur with the XM-8 owing to it also having a telescopic stock system. The folding stock of the G-36 is easily brought into battery and IMO is prefereable.

[HELEX]

Folding stocks are not good when using body armor, to long...

[ibstolidude]

Having looked at many of the photos/videos of US troops using M-4 variants in GW2, a huge majority seem to leave their collapsible stocks at the shortest (or close to shortest) setting, this must result in difficulty in acquiring a proper sight picture. I feel that a similar problem could occur with the XM-8 owing to it also having a telescopic stock system. The folding stock of the G-36 is easily brought into battery and IMO is prefereable.
preferable to you perhaps,
You M4 stock ideas sound like something based on opinion rather than experience - or perhaps based on other peoples opinions.

1) The folding stock allows for NO comfortable medium.
2) The collapsed stock can be extended just as fast as a folding un-folded.
3) the Modern CCO such as the Aimpoint/EoTech/Acog that is un use by US forces requires NO PROPER SIGHT picture in the traditional sense - simple that ability to place dot on target.
4) The stocks are often collapsed as thick cody armour will add 3+ inches to your chest - if you don't collapse the stock it WILL change comfortable check to stock position which will change your sight alignment...So if you use iron sights and Body armor you SHOULD adjust you stock length to maintain a good cheek to stock. - as not everyone is the same size they will need to adjust accordingly some to the closest some to one notch away, etc.
5) Most operations in Iraq and Afghanistan have been conducted with the use of vehicles - in those vehicle you MAY need to return fire and if you are in a seat that mean either your long gun or pistol. I am not sure if you have ever tried to return fire from a vehicle, but you tend to want the shortest weapon that can accurately engage the enemy.


Those crazy Americans!
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/allied_australia/b_asr04 closest notch to fully collapsed as he has BA - in a later picrure ont collapsed as no BA.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/allied_canada/c_cdn12

[ibstolidude]

the G 36 is a great weapon, rails can be added for toys, is reliable, and doesnt have pointless extras. the xm8 on the other hand seems to have been designed to look good....randomly adding plastic to form a nice shap.....i vote we just get HK to redo the M4s...or we just switch over to the g36 seems like a cheeper option
What are pointless extras?

HK has an M4 clone - and I hope we do NOT jus tswitch over to the G36 unless some mods are made.

[Kitsune]

shrap wrote:

The commando version doesn't have any kind of stock though, should be hard to fire.

In "G36C" the "C" does not stand for "Commando" but for "Compact".

[MaDuce]

The XM8 is a high tech upgraded version f the G36 and has outpreformed the M-16 on almost ever level of comparison.
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8soldierpopup.jpg
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8apgsold1popup.jpg
Description of XM8 http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8_sheet111703.pdf
Comparision to M4 http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison1.pdf

The XM8 is a placeholder until the XM29 OICW is compleed
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw1.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw2.jpg
Different types of ammo
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw3.jpg

[MolliG]

As far as I know they're adding picatinny rails before putting it into service.

They're won't be any picatinny rails on the XM8, as there is a new accessory connection system. Notice the plug like holes on the foregrip (That arn't present on earlier XM8s.)...

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/XM82.jpg

There will of course be adaptors though for the older equipment.

:)

[AVZ]

You shure??? Or just "thinking"?????

[deutschersoldat]

i think usa only wants to buy the xm8, because they would never buy a main hand weapon, which was used by another country first.

[MolliG]

You shure??? Or just "thinking"?????

Yes I'm pretty sure. :)

[MolliG]

i think usa only wants to buy the xm8, because they would never buy a main hand weapon, which was used by another country first.

Well there is that, but the G36 and G36A1 in their current states wouldn't fit 100% in with what the US Military have planned for the future (XM25 and the like.). Also the G36 does indeed have it's problems, like every other rifle on Earth.

:)

[Nite]

As far as I know they're adding picatinny rails before putting it into service.

They're won't be any picatinny rails on the XM8, as there is a new accessory connection system. Notice the plug like holes on the foregrip (That arn't present on earlier XM8s.)...

http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/XM82.jpg

There will of course be adaptors though for the older equipment.

:)
AFAIK the new attachments are called 'picaps'.

[HELEX]

Well there is that, but the G36 and G36A1 in their current states wouldn't fit 100% in with what the US Military have planned for the future (XM25 and the like.). Also the G36 does indeed have it's problems, like every other rifle on Earth.

Only cosmetic issues I know of, for example you can see scraches on the black plastic stocks clearly. Using car plastic polish fixes that ;)


HK has an M4 clone - and I hope we do NOT jus tswitch over to the G36 unless some mods are made.

It is definitively no clone, it is available as an upper for existing M4 or as completely new product. The mechanism is based on the one used in the G36. So this is the first reliable M4 in History!

Does this look like the jam-o-matic of a M4?

http://area51guns.com/ss8.jpg

http://area51guns.com/ss9.jpg

[MaDuce]

FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum"
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XM-8: New U.S. Service Rifle?
Modern Firearms and Ammunition website


Posted on 08/07/2003 10:52:17 AM PDT by Long Cut


Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: no data
Barrel length: no data
Weight: 2.67 kg empty
Rate of fire: no data
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds (STANAG)


The development of the XM8 Lightweight Assault Rifle was initiated by US Army in the 2002, when contract was issued to the Alliant Techsystems Co of USA to study possibilities of development of kinetic energy part of the XM29 OICW weapon into separate lightweight assault rifle, which could, in the case of success, replace the aging M16A2 rifles and M4A1 carbines in US military service. According to the present plans, the XM8 should enter full production circa 2005, if not earlier, several years before the XM-29 OICW. The XM8 (M8 after its official adoption) should become a standard next generation US forces assault rifle. It will fire all standard 5.56mm NATO ammunition, and, to further decrease the load on the future infantrymen, a new type of 5.56mm ammunition is now being developed. This new ammunition will have composite cases, with brass bases and polymer walls, which will reduce weight of the complete ammunition, while maintaining compatibility with all 5.56mm NATO weapons. Along with 20% weight reduction in the XM8 (compared to the current issue M4A1 carbine), this will be a welcome move for any infantryman, already overloaded by protective, communications and other battle equipment.


The XM8 will be quite similar to the "KE" (kinetic energy) part of the XM-29 OICW system, being different mostly in having a telescoped plastic buttstock of adjustable length, and a detachable carrying handle with the Picatinny rail.


Technical description. The XM8 is a derivative of the Heckler-Koch G36 assault rifle, and thus it is almost similar to that rifle in design and functioning. The key differences are the NATO-standard magazine housing that will accept M16-type magazines, the set of Picatinny rails on the forend, telescoped buttstock of adjustable length and a different scope, mounted on the Picatinny rail, built into the detachable carrying handle.



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[AVZ]

@ Nite and MolliG:

any more info on this picaps??????????

[zenmaster]

The XM8 is a high tech upgraded version f the G36 and has outpreformed the M-16 on almost ever level of comparison.
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8soldierpopup.jpg
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8apgsold1popup.jpg
Description of XM8 http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8_sheet111703.pdf
Comparision to M4 http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/pdf/XM8M4Comparison1.pdf

The XM8 is a placeholder until the XM29 OICW is compleed
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw1.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw2.jpg
Different types of ammo
http://world.guns.ru/assault/oicw3.jpg

You might want to rely on information that does not come from the company that makes the product in question. How does the XM8 solve the G36's awful ergonomics? The USC and SL8 were horrible- especially when compared to the long-developed AR derivitives.

[HELEX]

How does the XM8 solve the G36's awful ergonomics? The USC and SL8 were horrible- especially when compared to the long-developed AR derivitives.

The G36 ergonomics are very good, USC and SL8 were developed as civil sporting versions according to certain Laws. Can you remember that assault weapons are banned for Import in the US? :cantbeli:

[He219]

@ Nite and MolliG:

any more info on this picaps??????????
http://www.hk-usa.com/corporate/media/mediaimages/xm8hill.jpg

Actually referred to as PCAP (Picatinny Combat Attachment Points), MIL-STD-1913 adapters to allow for the use of current in-service accessories.

Take a look at this Video (http://www.armytimes.com/story.php?s=1-292925-xm8_assembly.php) on how the weapon breaks down. Make sure to press 'Play' ...
;)

[MaDuce]

Zen I am refering to independent studies by the military.

[Ratamacue]

i think usa only wants to buy the xm8, because they would never buy a main hand weapon, which was used by another country first.

Really? We'd never buy a weapon used by another country first? Then how come we use the FN Minimi and MAG?

[vitiaz]

Like father
http://www.hk-usa.com/images/g36fullmain.jpg
Like son
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/xm8_rightmed.jpg

And don't forget the grandfather,

http://www.ar-180.com/pic/ar180.jpg

[Macs.]

And the great-grandfather...
http://planetwolfenstein.com/warm/images/weapons/New/stg44.gif
p-)

[bloddyaxe]

http://www.grozerarchery.com/htm/mongol/ex1/1.gif

and the great great great... great grandfather...

[rob]

the xm8. um where to start,

first off the only reason this weapon is exists is becuse hk couldnt do what the military wanted in the first place. the army wanted hk to develope the oicw and when hk was unable to meet the requires they had to show the military something for all the money they where given and well the xm8 was their answer.

second, all of hks products are very nice and the g36 us a nice rifle but when i look at the xm8 i get a sence that they are half assing it(considering they failed anyway). the xm8 is almost identical to the g36 other then its nice shape. The army wanted a weapon which had controls similar to the ar15. well hk simply extended some levers and said there you go. not to mention that they just handed the army a carbon copy of the g36.

the site is my next concern. it sounds like a good idea on paper but what if it goes down, the xm8 has no iron sights at all. so you are out of luck. they incorperated both lasers and red dot into one scope so if you break one you break all of them.

lastly my biggest complaint whit the xm8 is that no matter what it is a falure. back in the earily 90s the army test many state of the art weapon systems like the styer acr and hk g11, yet said they didnt want any of them because they did not provide a 100 percent improovement over the m16. yet i fail to see how the xm8 all of a sudden does this. the xm8 will give us a weapon which does the exact same thing our current weapon system at the cost of meer millions if not billions of dollars, it benefit being a lighter weapon. and personally i would rather see the g36 enter service then the xm8 as it is nearly the same just cheaper.

a member of the ar15 board said it best. "atleast the xm8 is smooth so it will be easier for the person who thought up this abortion to stick it up their..."

so far hk has said the xm8 is our next service rifle and published a very biased comparison to the m4. yet the army has said nothing. o yeah i sure do belive them :roll: and the marines just signed a contract worth 75 mil for new m16a4s and m4s with acogs and ris running through 2008, and socom has their own scar program. yeap i must say the bulk of our armed force as just flocking to the xm8.

the xm8 is currently being tested, and for referance here is a list of the weapons the us mil has tested and not adopted.

sig p226
hk p7
colt ohws
ar18
ar10
fn fal
m63a
colt double eagle
glock 17
hk mg3 the 5.56 model forgot the name
stoner modle 96
hk g11
styer acr
oicw

those are just off the top of my head. there are a lot more weapons of that list.

dont get me wrong the xm8 might be a great weapon and probly does match the m4 in most accounts and exceed it in some as well but is it worth it when we have a system which does the same thing and there are bigger issues which the money would be better spent on.

okay enough of that.

the hk m4 is actually loking great. but do you think hk would make it if they thought the xm8 was going somewhere? it seems like a great weapon and i dont know why any one didnt think of putting an ar18 piston in a m4 before :roll: o wait it has been done many times. i just hope hk has the marketing muscel to get somewhere with it.

[MaDuce]

To bad Colt can't step up to the plate with a counter offer to the XM.

[Operation Ivy]

I just want our military to get .45 caliber pistol like the Sig 220/228 woot or bring back the 1911A1 woot

[rob]

To bad Colt can't step up to the plate with a counter offer to the XM.

well they never really got the chance. true they lost the oicw program but the xm8 is different(in actuallity, but it "evolved" from the oicw) so the entre program is unfair. s&w delayed the xm9 trials by saying they where unfairly judged in court, i doubt colt and everyone else will just sit by if the xm8 does get adopted.

colt used to have an m16 with a piston, i think that would work great. and im sure they could come up with some great things with half the money hk was given.

and i would like to see the model 1911 return too. and in more elite units it is making a return. but i doubt it will make gi again.


It is definitively no clone, it is available as an upper for existing M4 or as completely new product. The mechanism is based on the one used in the G36. So this is the first reliable M4 in History!

Does this look like the jam-o-matic of a M4?





i like the way that hk thinks that putting an ar18 piston in the m4 is something revolutionary. its been done be fore and in that respet it can be a clone. but hk should have kept the dust cover on there. what in the hell possesed them to take it off.

btw, reliable ar15 type rifles have been produced for the better part of 40 years. so in no way qualifies as a first.

[FallenAngel]

the xm8. um where to start,

first off the only reason this weapon is exists is becuse hk couldnt do what the military wanted in the first place. the army wanted hk to develope the oicw and when hk was unable to meet the requires they had to show the military something for all the money they where given and well the xm8 was their answer.

Not necessarily. A modified G36 has been the rifle portion of the OICW for a while now. It's not a problem of the actual weapons...it is the controls the Army wanted intigrated into the weapon. The Army wanted the whole OICW to be the same (or less) size and weight of the current M16/M203 combo. It's not HK's fault as much as it's the fault of the hardware/software developer.

The XM8 was a development from the kenetic energy portion as a "better than nothing" approach until the electronics for the OICW is made small enough to meet the Army's standard.

I agree though. I think buying G36Es/Ks would be more cost effective, but I think a small amount of national pride with adopting another country's rifle.

[rob]

well the xm8 isnt exactly americas rifle. so it dont really matter. if tere was a great pride would we adopt the m9, or the m249.

although hk is not the company i would go to if i had an army in need of a rifle.

"The XM8 was a development from the kenetic energy portion as a "better than nothing" approach "
that better then nothing approach is because hk had to show something for the money they where given. and right now the xm29 development is at a standstill untill further notice.

[WARPIG]

HK is building a plant in the US and has been working the OICW program. HK also has standard safety features that the military requires anyway. THe XM8 is creating a lot of attention because of its light weight, modular design, and dependability. G36 is good but not as light weight. Also, the adaptability to the Land Warrior program is another factor. We currently use the FN made M249 and M240 series weapons. By going to HK and giving FN some competition, DOD gets to drive price down a bit. With HK having the ability to make a LMG and switch to 7.62 in the same weapon frame, FN really has put out to keep the DOD interested.
I have been expecting HK to get more attention from the US DOD. I think HK has been gearing themselves toward US contracts for years.

[Ian H]

Also, with reference to the comments about iron sights, the current rifles are prototypes, there is no reason to assume HK won't be told to put iron sights on the final model, as well as making other detail changes. Personally I'd like the locking pins to be stowable on the stock/handguard they lock in place, not in holes on the carrying handle, this particularly would be useful for the larger pin for the XM-320. Its just little details that will I'm sure be ironed out. Trust HK, they fixed the SA80 for god's sake!