Israeli Rabbis And Innocent Civilians...

[Ayura]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...283720,00.html

Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said. (Efrat Weiss)


Looks like Muslims aren't the only ones as portrayed by Western Media...Ah well.

[Ayura]

Atrocities in Gaza, Lebanon Motivated By Talmudic Mentality

Khalid Amayreh

“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” (New York Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6)


When Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s suggested on 22 June that Jewish lives were worth more than Palestinian lives, he was actually making an ideological statement of immense significance and symbolism.


The plainly racist remarks, a repugnant taboo in any western country, encapsulate the entire Zionist discourse toward non-Jews in general an Palestinians, Lebanese and other Arabs and Muslims in particular.

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The ****ographic killing by Israel of Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, as well as the systematic wanton destruction by the Israeli air-force of civilian infrastructure in Gaza and Lebanon can be viewed as an honest translation of the Talmudic ideology, which more or less has come to dominate Israeli thinking as the Israeli society continues to drift menacingly to religious bigotry and chauvinism.


In fact, one can safely argue that Israel’s brazenly criminal behaviors towards the Palestinian and Lebanese people have consistently been a practical embodiment of the Talmudic perception of non-Jews.


This perception, racist to the hilt if not outright satanic, considers non-Jews as beasts or at best lesser human beings.


Talmudic racism


There is no doubt that a rudimentary survey of Rabbinic commentaries on the status of non-Jews according to Halacha (Jewish religious law) , of both present and past, reveals that a decisive majority of Talmudic sages view goyim (the derogatory Hebrew term for non-Jews) as either animals or sub-humans.


A few months ago, when Israeli troops vacated Jewish settlers from a West Bank settler outpost, an Israeli Knesset member representing the National Religious Party (NRP), lambasted the army for treating “human beings (Jews) the same way they were treating Palestinians.”


The rabbi’s remarks were reported by the Israeli press and aroused no reactions whatsoever, reflecting rampant racism in Israel.


In 1994, when an American Jewish immigrant named Baruch Goldstein massacred 29 Arab worshipers as they were praying at the Ibrahimi Mosque in Hebron, militant Gush Emunim (block of the faithful) Rabbi Moshe Levenger declared that “I am sorry not only about dead Arabs but about dead flies.”


A few days after the massacre, Goldstein was eulogized by the Rabbi of Kiryat Arba, Dov Lior, who praised him as “full of love for fellow human beings.”


According to Israel Shahak, author of “Jewish History, Jewish Religion-The weight of Three Thousand Years,” the term “human beings” according to Halacha refers solely to Jews.


Shahak’s view is vindicated by numerous Talmudic passages, such as the following:


“All Gentile children are animals.” ( Yebamoth, 98a.); The gentiles are outside the protection of the Law and God has exposed their money to Israel.” (Baba Kamma, 37-b.); “God created them in the form of men for the glory of Israel. But Akum (non-Jews) were created for the sole end of ministering unto them (the Jews) day and night. Nor can they ever be relieved from this service. It is becoming to the son of a king (an Israelite) that animals in their natural form, and animals in the form of human beings should minister unto him. ( Midrasch talpioth, fol. 225d; “the ****** intercourse of a Goi is like that of a beast.” (Sanhedrin, 74-b, Tosephot).


Now, these Talmudic injunctions, merely general examples, are not anachronistic anomalies that have no relevance to Zionism as many Israeli apologists and spokespersons would argue.


In fact, they are being applied, even in brazen manner, in the West Bank and Gaza and Lebanon. The exoneration of Israeli soldiers convicted of murdering Palestinian children (like that soldier who murdered 13-year Iman al-Hamas near Rafah in 2004 while on her way to school), in many ways epitomizes the Israeli-Jewish perceptions of non-Jews.


In short, non-Jews, according to Talmudic teachings, are not men but beasts; even the best of the Goyim should be killed; they are unclean idolaters deserving of death; and the Jews are to rule over the world served by the Goyim.


This is the real explanation of why Israeli soldiers and settlers are killing Palestinian and Lebanese civilians at will without showing the slightest remorse.


This is also what made the Israeli Chief of Staff Dan Halutz remark that “I sleep well and have clear conscience” soon after he ordered an F-6 fighter to drop a one-ton bomb on an apartment building in the middle of the night in Gaza, killing 16 people including 11 children.


This is what makes Israeli pilots annihilate entire families in Tyre and Mirwaheen and then feel good about it.


Annihilation


The Talmud, upon which Orthodox or Rabbinic Judaism is based, doesn’t really distinguish between combatants and non-combatants in time of war. In fact, rabbinic authorities teach that killing non-combatants, including children of the enemy, is a mitzvah (good deed with which one endears oneself to God) in war time.


A few years ago, a leading Israeli Torah sage urged the Israeli army not to refrain from killing enemy children in order to save the lives of Israeli occupation soldiers in the Gaza Strip. When this writer consulted with a number of rabbis and scholars on whether the rabbi was a nutcase, I was told that he represented the mainstream within Orthodox Judaism.
Many Orthodox rabbis consider the international conventions incriminating the deliberate killing of civilians and the destruction of civilian homes and property , such as the Fourth Geneva Convention, as “Christian morals” not binding on Jews.


On 12 July, the right-wing Israeli newspaper, the Jerusalem Post, had this caption on its internet site: “Yesha Rabbis call for extermination of the enemy.”


The report quoted the rabbinic council of Jewish settlements in the West Bank as calling on the Israeli army “to ignore Christian morals and exterminate the enemy in the north and south.” Obviously, the term “Christian morals” here refers to laws of war which prohibit the killing of innocent civilians.


This totally satanic thinking doesn’t emanate from Zionism’s secular traditions, which are no less evil, but rather from the Talmud itself. For example, a prominent Talmudic figure, Shimon Ben Yohai, openly called for the extermination of non-Jews. (His tomb in northern Palestine is a major pilgrimage site for many Jews).


Hatanya


If a Jewish sect or movement can be described as “Nazi,” it is the Chabad movement, which openly advocates annihilation of non-Jews in Palestine on the model of the Biblical Book of Joshua.


Chabad is not a marginal movement. In both Israel and the US, it has been able to amass a lot of wealth and acquire considerable influence. The movement, with which thousands of Israeli soldiers and high-ranking officers are affiliated, views non-Jews as animals or infra-human beings.
According to its famous book, Hatanya, as quoted by Israel Shahak, all non-Jews are totally satanic creatures in whom there is absolutely nothing good. Even a non-Jewish embryo is qualitatively different from a Jewish one.


Indeed, the very existence of a non-Jew is inessential, whereas all creation was made solely for the sake of the Jews.


In conclusion, there is a broad conformity between Israeli behavior in Lebanon and the occupied Palestinian territories and Talmudic teachings on non-Jews. The fact that at least 50 percent of high-ranking Israeli army officers are indoctrinated in the Talmud does explain, at least in part, Israel’s genocidal onslaughts on civilians in both Gaza Strip and Lebanon.
More to the point, it is highly likely that this Talmudic trend of thinking and behavior will continue to grow and eventually come to define Israel’s entire discourse toward the peoples of the Middle East and non-Jews in general.


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July 21, 2006 The Source for information on the Talmud contained within this article is: http://www.revisionisthistory.org/palestine.html. A sincere thank you to Nancy at Um Khalil Blogspot. -This is a blog that we can highly recommend to those of you who really want to know what's going on. (Ed.)


I'm not too sure about his Talmudic sources, so I personally wouldn't trust him in this matter since he is neither a Rabbi or one well versed in Talmudic knowledge. If anyone wants to correct it, then please go ahead. He is probably very biased in the Talmud sense but the rest of his article can't be overlooked though.

[Ayura]

http://www.saudiembassy.net/2006News...sp?cIndex=6373

07/18/2006
MWL condemns Yesha Rabbinical Council remarks

The Makkah-based Muslim World League today condemned calls by the Yesha Rabbinical Council to “exterminate the enemy in the north and the south,” as reported in the Jerusalem Post on July 12.

In a statement, Secretary-General Abdullah Al-Turki said that the MWL condemns killing civilians and carrying out terror acts against innocent people in Lebanon and Gaza. The Council’s call serves to encourage acts of terror against unarmed civilians, he said.
Al-Turki called on human rights organizations and the United Nations to protect civilians in Lebanon and Gaza.


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[LaoSexMachine]

Why can't the Abrahamic religions get along?

[Ayura]

PS, Reminder:

I am in no way trying to start a flame war "us vs them" thingy. This is purely non-personal and has to do me trying to balance things out and bring things from the other side instead of just hearing about Muslims doing this that and the other.

[Ayura]

Why can't the Abrahamic religions get along?


We did for around 1000 years or something. Then someone came along and threw a monkey-wrench in the whole machine. What a bloody big monkey-wrench it is though.

[Beaufort]

We did for around 1000 years or something. Then someone came along and threw a monkey-wrench in the whole machine. What a bloody big monkey-wrench it is though.

Seems like someone forgot the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Dhimmi status.

[Ayura]

Seems like someone forgot the Crusades, the Inquisition and the Dhimmi status.


Apart from that, everything as ok.

(I would advise you read abit more about the Dhimmi status as well because there was nothing wrong with it. Muslims had to pay Zakat tax as well...).

[Zoomie]

PS, Reminder:

I am in no way trying to start a flame war "us vs them" thingy. This is purely non-personal and has to do me trying to balance things out and bring things from the other side instead of just hearing about Muslims doing this that and the other.

Dude, you are flame baiting, there's no denying it. This has been posted before and was locked. And here you are trying to get a flame fest going once again. And besides, your logic is flawed.

[Ayura]

Dude, you are flame baiting, there's no denying it. This has been posted before and was locked. And here you are trying to get a flame fest going once again. And besides, your logic is flawed.


Wow, you read my mind...

[Beaufort]

Apart from that, everything as ok.


You just reminded me of classic sketch from Monty Python's the Life of Brian...




Reg: They've bled us white, the bastards. They've taken everything we had, and not just from us, from our fathers, and from our fathers' fathers.

Loretta: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yeah.

Loretta: And from our fathers' fathers' fathers' fathers.

Reg: Yeah. All right, Stan. Don't labour the point. And what have they ever given us in return?!

Xerxes: The aqueduct?

Reg: What?

Xerxes: The aqueduct.

Reg: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They did give us that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

Commando 3: And the sanitation.

Loretta: Oh, yeah, the sanitation, Reg. Remember what the city used to be like?

Reg: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the aqueduct and the sanitation are two things that the Romans have done.

Matthias: And the roads.

Reg: Well, yeah. Obviously the roads. I mean, the roads go without saying, don't they? But apart from the sanitation, the aqueduct, and the roads--

Commando: Irrigation.

Xerxes: Medicine.

Commandos: Huh? Heh? Huh...

Commando 2: Education.

Commandos: Ohh...

Reg: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

Commando 1: And the wine.

Commandos: Oh, yes. Yeah...

Francis: Yeah. Yeah, that's something we'd really miss, Reg, if the Romans left. Huh.

Commando: Public baths.

Loretta: And it's safe to walk in the streets at night now, Reg.

Francis: Yeah, they certainly know how to keep order. Let's face it. They're the only ones who could in a place like this.

Commandos: Hehh, heh. Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

Reg: But apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

Xerxes: Brought peace?

Reg: Oh, peace? Shut up!

Anyway... :)



(I would advise you read abit more about the Dhimmi status as well because there was nothing wrong with it. Muslims had to pay Zakat tax as well...).


Dhimmi status was a lot more than just paying a certain tax...

[Ayura]

Dhimmi status was a lot more than just paying a certain tax...

PM me and tell me more about it. That way we won't ruin the threads subject.

[Hollis]

I'm not too sure about his Talmudic sources, so I personally wouldn't trust him in this matter since he is neither a Rabbi or one well versed in Talmudic knowledge. If anyone wants to correct it, then please go ahead. He is probably very biased in the Talmud sense but the rest of his article can't be overlooked though.

There is no Talmudic quote there..... It is pure fabrication. I doubt if he ever saw the Talmud or even read it.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Ayura sense you are a grand promoter of not posting stuff on Sharia Law, (because of lack of study). You have done the same here. How many pages do you think the Talmud is, and do you have a clue what it is.

Halacha is Jewish law. I guess I can call Bakari Shraia Law now, or the Hadiths?

Maybe you should write to him, the same statement you made about studing life time in a Madrassa learning Sharia Law...... he needs to study a life time in a Yeshiva studing Talmud. BTW most nazi website have those ficticious Talmudic "statements".

[Ayura]

There is no Talmudic quote there..... It is pure fabrication. I doubt if he ever saw the Talmud or even read it.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Ayura sense you are a grand promoter of not posting stuff on Sharia Law, (because of lack of study). You have done the same here. How many pages do you think the Talmud is, and do you have a clue what it is.

Halacha is Jewish law. I guess I can call Bakari Shraia Law now, or the Hadiths?

Maybe you should write to him, the same statement you made about studing life time in a Madrassa learning Sharia Law...... he needs to study a life time in a Yeshiva studing Talmud. BTW most nazi website have those ficticious Talmudic "statements".


I already mentioned in my 2nd post of this thread that this person is very bias...I completely agree with you and I know what it feels like when someone reads a small book and thinks they know everything about it.



I'm not too sure about his Talmudic sources, so I personally wouldn't trust him in this matter since he is neither a Rabbi or one well versed in Talmudic knowledge. If anyone wants to correct it, then please go ahead. He is probably very biased in the Talmud sense but the rest of his article can't be overlooked though.

[James]

PS, Reminder:

I am in no way trying to start a flame war "us vs them" thingy. This is purely non-personal and has to do me trying to balance things out and bring things from the other side instead of just hearing about Muslims doing this that and the other.

What to do... An identical thread was locked a couple of days ago. Hmm...