Why do people believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy?

[AFMedic]

I just don't get it. There is a poll by Ohio University and Scripps News that indicate.. here.. I'll just post an expert of the poll. I've heard some say there was never a plane that crashed at the pentagon.. Then where the heck are the people that were aboard that flight?!?

AFMedic


Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy

By THOMAS HARGROVE
Scripps Howard News Service

More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.

The national survey of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

Widespread resentment and alienation toward the national government appears to be fueling a growing acceptance of conspiracy theories about the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Suspicions that the 9/11 attacks were "an inside job" _ the common phrase used by conspiracy theorists on the Internet _ quickly have become nearly as popular as decades-old conspiracy theories that the federal government was responsible for President John F. Kennedy's assassination and that it has covered up proof of space aliens.


The whole article and poll here:
http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll

[Hellfish]

It explains the unexplainable to some people. Religion and philosophy fill the same voids in people's lives, though in a different context.

[Eddy]

I just don't get it. There is a poll by Ohio University and Scripps News that indicate.. here.. I'll just post an expert of the poll. I've heard some say there was never a plane that crashed at the pentagon.. Then where the heck are the people that were aboard that flight?!?

Because you can deny all you want, there are some distrubing facts.

[Macs.]

Because you can deny all you want, there are some distrubing facts.

... such as ?

[HR24]

Because you can deny all you want, there are some distrubing facts.

Oh Christ, here we go again. Get off the Internet dude. Just take a breath, step back, and walk away from the computer for a minute.

[AFMedic]

Because you can deny all you want, there are some distrubing facts.

What facts?

[Eddy]

... such as ?

Dont remember them precisely, it was in a book wrote by a frenchman(not thierry messant) whos name forgot(title too)

Things like Fighters being moved away from the nyc area. Or like the fact that the towers shouldnt have collapsed...

Anyway im not an expert on the subject so I'll stop there.

[edit]

Just want to point out that from what i remember, the book wasnt a conspiracy oriented book.

It was just a list of verified (distrubing) facts. The author let you make up your own mind, thats what i liked about it.

[AFJROTC55]

no, it was proven that the towers shouldnt have fell from a normal fire or accident, but the heat from the jet fuel was to great and compromised the steel, that stuff burns alot hotter than things like wood or synthetic materials which would've been the case in a normal situation.

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[joe mama]

For a fun (and yet still with some accuracy) rebuttal of 9/11 conspiracy crap, pls enjoy:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

And if you pay attention, at the bottom you'll find a link to a pretty good Popular Mechanics rebuttal of the crap. Warning, if your ability to understand principles of science and engineering is limited to "the guy on loose change said the steel didn't melt, therefore it couldn't have even weakened", then don't bother, and git your tinfoil hat.

[Mailman]

That book written by that Frenchman has already been pretty well discredited.

But what I do like though is how the so called truth movement say the Government story is so outlandish that it just cant be true YET their version/s is so much more outlandish as to make the government one seem pretty damned boring! :)

Mailman

[pascalywood]

And what about the Pentagon? Heard the hole was too small to be a plane.

[AFMedic]

And what about the Pentagon? Heard the hole was too small to be a plane.

You must have not read my first post on this same exact crazy logic. So where are all the passengers that were aboard that plane? Someone must of hid that jumbo jet also, no one can find it.

[pascalywood]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
I agree with Eddy

[Macs.]

Before letting a 5-Minute flash-animation get such a huge influence on your beliefs, you should maybe dig a little bit deeper.

Use google, there are thousands of website, pro and anti-conspiracy.

[Miles.]

It explains the unexplainable to some people. Religion and philosophy fill the same voids in people's lives, though in a different context.

Boom. Thread over. *thumbs up*

[americanbychoice]

Here's an earlier thread that shows some disturbing SCIENTIFIC PROOF that the WTC attack on 9/11 was an inside job.
http://militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=85529&highlight=9%2F11+proof

And if you disagree with the SCIENTIFIC PROOF, can I ask one thing... WHY DO YOU HATE SCIENCE?

[Greek soldier]

I believe 9/11 was the result of a misunderstanding between CIA and FBI. They had ALL the info available, but simply, some top officials didn't take it seriously.

[Zoomie]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
I agree with Eddy
ROFL! Man, I can't believe you actually believe that stuff about mind control and all that. rofl You also gotta love the advertisements on that page as well. You people need to pull your heads out of the ground and realize that:
1. A plane crashing into a building does not make a plane sized or shaped hole like they do in the Road Runner cartoons, sorry it just doesn't happen.
2. There are numerous eyewitnesses who saw the airliner fly into the pentagon.
3. The Pentagon is a military facility, so it is a hardened building, which means it's built stronger and better than your average commercial building so that it can actually withstand an attack.

[AFJROTC55]

i think that video is full of garbage, "plane crashes leave wreckage" any of you guys bothered to look at the pics from the Pennsylvania huh, yeah, there is almost no debris, yet we know a plane crashed there, they say that that guy couldnt fly a plane, its not that hard to fly a plane, especially a plane that is electronically assisted by the sytems a 757 is, he didnt have to do anything hard with it, take off or land, all he had to do was punch in the GPS cooridinates then take over for the home stretch

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[Greek soldier]

Ehm, no. It is hard to fly a twin-engined passenger plane. Don't think that by flying some hours with a Cessna makes you a "pilot".

Especially when there are so many buttons all over the cockpit. p-)

[Pook2]

i think that video is full of garbage, "plane crashes leave wreckage" any of you guys bothered to look at the pics from the Pennsylvania huh, yeah, there is almost no debris, yet we know a plane crashed there, they say that that guy couldnt fly a plane, its not that hard to fly a plane, especially a plane that is electronically assisted by the sytems a 757 is, he didnt have to do anything hard with it, take off or land, all he had to do was punch in the GPS cooridinates then take over for the home stretch

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Not to mention the fact that most of the hijackers spent time at US flight schools prior to the attacks.


My friend's brother was across the street from the pentagon and watched it go into the building, so a big FUC* YOU to the idiots claiming it was a conspiracy.

[pascalywood]

Where were the pieces of the plane and the passengers? How come an incompetent pilot could fly a plane at 2 feet from the ground? Dont you find it weird that they always make you remember the WTC but they never speak of the Pentagon? And I think that by "mind control machine" they meant medias and GWB speeches about patriotism and how "God" told him to attack A'stan. Who really is brainwashed?

[Zoomie]

Where were the pieces of the plane and the passengers? How come an incompetent pilot could fly a plane at 2 feet from the ground?
Hate to break it to you, but they did find remnants of both! Also, the pilot didn't cruise at 2 feet above the ground. In fact, he struck lights over the highway and eventually the ground before hitting the pentagon, thus losing some of the plane's energy.
And as for why they don't mention the pentagon as much as the WTC is the fact that it wasn't totally destroyed like the WTC, and the WTC was more emotional as everyone saw their fall.

[signatory]

:cantbeli: not this sh-t again

[HR24]

Where were the pieces of the plane and the passengers? How come an incompetent pilot could fly a plane at 2 feet from the ground? Dont you find it weird that they always make you remember the WTC but they never speak of the Pentagon? And I think that by "mind control machine" they meant medias and GWB speeches about patriotism and how "God" told him to attack A'stan. Who really is brainwashed?

There were bodies pulled from the wreckage at the Pentagon and there are some very graphic photos of the remains.

Look, if you are being sarcastic, fine, but if you are seriously trying to pass this **** off as fact, do us all a favor and get some common sense.

[Pook2]

Don't bother with the common sense, just kill yourself and stop polluting the planet.

[BloodyTalon]

Where were the pieces of the plane and the passengers?
http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html

[remo williams]

As far as the jet's being diverted, from what I've seen about the events preceeding the incident/attack, Norad(irrc)was conducting some type of exercise simulating an attack or incident. Afik they were told that there were planes incoming, but noone knew what direction, or for that matter at the time, that they were commercial planes. As far as the twin towers, I watched the second plane hit live on TV. No way you could fake that as tower 1 was already on fire. I get a kick when I hear people say c-o-n-spiracy when referring to the beams melting etc. It amazes me that people overlook the fact that a fcuking plane,traveling at 600 or so mph, hit a non moving building, and exploded. And they expect that the rest of the building to support the collapse of the top (what 10-20 floors) on top of it. And not come down..Not once but twice. Gravity seems to play absolutely no role at all. What is somewhat intrigueing is that I rarely hear the names of the Pentagon flight victims, as opposed to the countless mentions,memorials, 2movies,1TV movie,highlighting the WTC,flight 93 victims. If any of you have head of equal coverage let me know, because as far as I've seen, They seem to have become history not long after their deaths.

[AFMedic]

Where were the pieces of the plane and the passengers? How come an incompetent pilot could fly a plane at 2 feet from the ground? Dont you find it weird that they always make you remember the WTC but they never speak of the Pentagon? And I think that by "mind control machine" they meant medias and GWB speeches about patriotism and how "God" told him to attack A'stan. Who really is brainwashed?

You’re kidding right? Ask the family members of the passengers if their love ones have came home yet from a secret government holding tank. The incompetent pilot apparently did a successful job descending a plane... in a few seconds it was at a 100ft off the ground.. a split second later.. 50ft.. .later 10ft .. later 2ft . ??? The media will sensationalize 9/11 with the WTC... If it ignored the WTC and focused more on the Pentagon, then you would be typing "Why is 9/11 so focused on the pentagon? 9/11 + Pentagon = Conspiracy #2"

[Rossdobby]

The us government needed to get into the middle east that worked out well for them they rallied support from everyone

On any given day 100's of fighter jets are ready to defend the us i find it wierd that only three were available with in an hour of the first crash. How come the whole in the pentagon didnt have wing marks? and how come on home videos showing thw wtc befor its fall u could see explosives. The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel. How come the wtc fell in a completely controlled demolition and at the same time norad was running the exact simulation of someone flying a plan into the wtc towers? you can sya thats not true but my bro works at north bay and he told me him self they were told not to scramble jets into the air? theres to many unknowns in this I think it was the US government who did this to get the people behind an oil war and u can critize these facts but there all true

[Fargin]

Conspiracy theories have alway been popular, moslty to nutters though. With internet and boggers they are spamming everyone who cares. Conspiracy theories are not bound by actual facts, mostly it consists of pure speculation, manipulation and flat out lies. Usually they are pretty easy to refute, if you actually care.

[Greek soldier]

Because I can't hold myself, it's DA JEWS behind 9/11. rofl

[Abolith]

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main
I agree with Eddy


Ok then if it wasn't a plane THEN WHERE IS THE PLANE? WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE?

what did some conspiracy bury the plane and kill and dispose of all the people on said plane just so they could hit the pentagon with a missile?? come on people get real. It was plane, there was wreakage and bodies.

[signatory]

I blame the US healthcare system for not locking up mentally ill citizens.

[Pook2]

People want to believe conspiracy theories because it gets them off. They get off thinking that they are part of some elite group with inside knowledge of how things went down, and they have fantasies about saving the world from a mass conspiracy to destroy us all.

[Greek soldier]

People believe in conspiracy theories 'cause they don't know what else to do in their life.

Such theories give them a meaning to their life.

[Abolith]

People believe in conspiracy theories 'cause they don't know what else to do in their life.

Such theories give them a meaning to their life.



ain't that the truth... I have a conspiracy theory beliving roommate...this fool is hours of fun. I even sent myself a package from the "FBI" once. stuck stuff like a video tape some fake money ect... I opened it in front of him and when he asked me what it was I told him "it's classified". He is still using that as "proof" the FBI is watching him! rofl rofl

[Greek soldier]

ain't that the truth... I have a conspiracy theory beliving roommate...this fool is hours of fun. I even sent myself a package from the "FBI" once. stuck stuff like a video tape some fake money ect... I opened it in front of him and when he asked me what it was I told him "it's classified". He is still using that as "proof" the FBI is watching him! rofl rofl

ROFLMAOLOL!

rofl rofl

WHy are you so mean? p-)

[remo williams]

The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel. How come the wtc fell in a completely controlled demolition
It may have been built in theory, but as having worked in R&D for a while and currently work w/ engineers who attempt to build things based on theory, there's a wide gap. How exactly would they have known how the building would be affected by an impact? Did they do a test run while construction was in progress? Did they run any tests at all, or did they just claim it inorder to get a contract, and put worries at ease? Unlike the levees,which many argued for yrs wouldn't hold up to a cat 5 cane', noone could've anticipated two planes crashing into the towers. Theory and real life often contradict..

[OzMan]

On any given day 100's of fighter jets are ready to defend the us

Source?

Do you remember the Payne Stewart crash? It took a single F-16 several hours to catch up with his Lear Jet.

The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel.

Wrong. Check the History Channel interview with one of the WTC guys not long after the WTC was completed. It was alleged to withstand an impact from a 707, not a 747.

707:
http://www.aviation-history.com/boeing/331b_2.jpg

747:
http://www.aircanada.jp/images/fleet-hist-747-100.jpg

BIG DIFFERENCE!!

How come the wtc fell in a completely controlled demolition
The momentum/perpetual swing effect of the impact had subsided by the time of the collapse. The initial impact force paired with the explosion of fuel was enough to compromise the steel supporting the tower. And since gravity tends to pull STRAIGHT DOWN towards earth, it's no suprise the burning top of the tower fell STRAIGHT DOWN onto the rest of the tower.

Here ya go! Here's the whole article from PM:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

About the WTC collapse:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=4&c=y

norad was running the exact simulation of someone flying a plan into the wtc towers?

Uh...wrong. NORAD was running an exercise at the time, but not for this scenario.

it was the US government who did this to get the people behind an oil war and u can critize these facts but there all true

Ok buddy. Whatever gets your dick up at night.

[signatory]

Wrong. Chech the History Channel interview with one of the WTC guys not long after the WTC was completed. It was alleged to withstand an impact from a 707, not a 747.

correct. + empty on fuel ,as it would come in from Europe

[Zoomie]

The us government needed to get into the middle east that worked out well for them they rallied support from everyone

On any given day 100's of fighter jets are ready to defend the us i find it wierd that only three were available with in an hour of the first crash.

Hundreds aren't set up in New York
How come the whole in the pentagon didnt have wing marks? and how come on home videos showing thw wtc befor its fall u could see explosives. The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel.
:cantbeli:roflroflGot any proof of it being made to withstand a strike from a 747?

you can sya thats not true but my bro works at north bay and he told me him self they were told not to scramble jets into the air? theres to many unknowns in this I think it was the US government who did this to get the people behind an oil war and u can critize these facts but there all true
And why is it that all you Canadians are suddenly experts on 9/11, an event that didn't even happen in your country?

[AFMedic]

If the Government knew about this, then President Bush sure did look prepared on National TV down there in Florida at the elementary school.(sarcasm) Wouldn't they have let him know it was going to happen? I mean, if killing some 3000 Americans to support your cause(whatever that may be), you would want a prepared President addressing the issue at the time it happened and not look confused like the wtf type.

[HR24]

If the Government knew about this, then President Bush sure did look prepared on National TV down there in Florida at the elementary school.(sarcasm) Wouldn't they have let him know it was going to happen? I mean, if killing some 3000 Americans to support your cause(whatever that may be), you would want a prepared President addressing the issue at the time it happened and not look confused like the wtf type.

Goddammit AFMedic!!!! Don't you understand?!?!?! It was ****ing Cheney and Haliburton who did it!!!! They run this ****ing country, not W!!!!

(sarcasm of course)

[sp2c]

I allways get the feeling that if it was a conspiracy wouldn't they have made more effort to hide it?

I mean if I were planning on faking a moon landing I'd make damn sure the flag in the background behaves exactly the way everybody thinks it will

[Pook2]

I allways get the feeling that if it was a conspiracy wouldn't they have made more effort to hide it?

I mean if I were planning on faking a moon landing I'd make damn sure the flag in the background behaves exactly the way everybody thinks it will


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[AFMedic]

Goddammit AFMedic!!!! Don't you understand?!?!?! It was ****ing Cheney and Haliburton who did it!!!! They run this ****ing country, not W!!!!

(sarcasm of course)
Lol.. yea man.. its amazing what these people believe. I mean, why all the effort with TWO planes if you going to blow up the building with dynamite. Why the heavy logistics of this? These conspiracy theorist into the WTC is just amazing. I'm so amazed that 33% of americans believe this.

[sp2c]

why blow it up in the first place

I think terrorists throwing planes at the World Trade Centers would probably piss people off a bit too

[Bombtrack]

Here ya go! Here's the whole article from PM:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...tml?page=1&c=y (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y)

Everyone who believes in 9/11 conspiracies, go to that link. I was made aware of it a little while ago, and it disproves all the myths, point-by-point

[phoilme]

So, you're building certainties on "how comes?" Who feeds you?

[Gothjod]

The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel.

Negative, the WTC was designed to withstand a plane the size of an 707, flying slow with almost no fuel.
Scenario: "(197*)(something) plane low on fuel lost in fog looking for airport slams into one of the towers". Just what happened to the Empire State.
Now a 757-200 fully loaded with JP1 fuel going at full speed impacting sideways.... til date there is no building design to resist such impact.

MaTTt

[gilgoul]

It is crazy to think that less than 5 years after, disinformation, conspiracy **** and the war in Irak just gave to all the morons in the world some kind of "negationnist" vision of this terrible day.
Denying it could have happened the way it has just allows the cowards to reconfort themselves, and the cynics to better exploit their political agenda.
It is despicable, but tragically human.

[Asheren]

The us government needed to get into the middle east that worked out well for them they rallied support from everyone

On any given day 100's of fighter jets are ready to defend the us i find it wierd that only three were available with in an hour of the first crash. How come the whole in the pentagon didnt have wing marks? and how come on home videos showing thw wtc befor its fall u could see explosives. The wtc was made to take a hit from a 747 fully loaded with fuel. How come the wtc fell in a completely controlled demolition and at the same time norad was running the exact simulation of someone flying a plan into the wtc towers? you can sya thats not true but my bro works at north bay and he told me him self they were told not to scramble jets into the air? theres to many unknowns in this I think it was the US government who did this to get the people behind an oil war and u can critize these facts but there all true

WTC was NEVER made to withstand such hit. They project skyscrapers not ****ing bunkers. Its exactly what various architects said after 9/11 actualy many of them were supprised that towers lasted that long considering possible damage. Not to mention that planes most propalby partialy damaged support structure simply by raming it. If towers were hit by criuse missile then it would be a diffrent story. I think its what cleared a way for explosives theory. If comes to explosives from what i remmember few guys from my country army were at pentagon during 9/11 fairly close to explosion. Their relations were fairly close to what would fit efect of plane ramming building.

Fighters are to protect from ouside threats soo they are deployed to counter such treats and they patrol airspace in such way to protect from enemy entering from outside not one that is already inside your air defence ring. Second thing is when someone kidnap a plane raming it in to skyscraper is last thing you would expect them to do. How many times before 9/11 somone used kiddnaped airliner with peoples on board to ram it in to something? Saying that there are 100s proves that you know bs about air defense. I don't know how many planes US keep in air or on stand by cos that info is most propably classfied but it is more than certain that you would find other areas inside US where there would be no nearby fighter plane.

Soo lets make summary:
You have architects conspiracy, hundreds of bribed witness that say "plane" including some foregin military officials. Deeper you go with this conspiracy BS more poples are in it. You know what is main problem with such ops more peoples in it bigger chances that info will reach wrong ears. Especialy if you would want to pull such s..t like ultra large scale terrorist attack aginst own nation. In "suspected" size of 9/11 you would need f...in mind control device otherwise it would be known to public in no time.

But if comes to more close plot like inside of CIA then you have more room for conspiracy manouvers cos sometimes one man might make diffrence. It also might mean that somone made mistake or underestimated AQ capablities. In both options averange smith like me or you will most propably never know about it.

[Pook2]

Wanna know why I believe it wasnt a conspiracy?


There's too many good Americans in our government to ever let something like this happen.

[ibstolidude]

Dont you find it weird that they always make you remember the WTC but they never speak of the Pentagon?
Where did you come up with that crap?

I, like many others, carried a pentagon reminder into the GWOT in 01/02.
There are numerous ways that the Pentagon was and continues to be remembered.... you talk so much, and yet seem to know so little.

[pistol]

Here are some NORAD tapes that are pretty interesting:

http://www.vanityfair.com/features/general/060801fege01

[XShipRider]

Dont remember them precisely, it was in a book wrote by a frenchman(not thierry messant) whos name forgot(title too)

Things like Fighters being moved away from the nyc area. Or like the fact that the towers shouldnt have collapsed...

Anyway im not an expert on the subject so I'll stop there.

[edit]

Just want to point out that from what i remember, the book wasnt a conspiracy oriented book.

It was just a list of verified (distrubing) facts. The author let you make up your own mind, thats what i liked about it.
The closest air base is Otis on Cape Cod. So "moved away" is not
correct if they weren't there in the first place. Otis is an ANG
and Coast Guard facility, has been for many years. If memory
serves they fly F-16s there - great dogfighter but not the
interceptor that an F-15 is. F-16s don't have the speed, endurance,
radar or firepower of an F-15. I believe the closest F-15 base to NYC is
in Maine (a fair distance to sortie and intercept!).

There was a very good analysis on the History Channel regarding the
twin towers collapse. You should watch it. It shows without a doubt
the mechanics involved in the collapse of an exo-skeletal steel building.

the book wasnt a conspiracy oriented book. Change "wasnt" [sic] to "was" and you'd be right on the money. It
certainly wasn't fact oriented as the author didn't bother to check
any prior to print.

If you repeat something often enough and loud enough (thank you internet)
a growing percentage of people WILL believe it.

As to the question of this thread ... because their tinfoil hats are tilted
improperly.

[Exer]

The pentagon explosion seems so weird, conspiracy or not. That is suspicious footage of the plane "crashing" into pentagon

[HR24]

The pentagon explosion seems so weird, conspiracy or not. That is suspicious footage of the plane "crashing" into pentagon

Dude, give it a break and think on it a little. Check what the frame rate on the camera was and then realize that the plane was traveling in excess of 500mph.

[Zoomie]

The pentagon explosion seems so weird, conspiracy or not. That is suspicious footage of the plane "crashing" into pentagon Weird because it actually happened? Or weird because you're an expert on planes' explosions after crashing into reinforced structures??

[shire19]

I can't comment on wheter 9/11 was orchestrated by the US Gov't or done by AQ cause I haven't studied it as much as those others but 9/11 did provide the US with an pretext to exercise their foreign policy by starting the War on Terror. It gave them a reason to push further into the Middle-east and Asia.

It's now so much easier to get new bases, R&D projects, military exercises close to non-friendly countries approved by saying it's required to prevent 'future terror attacks'. And this is not just the US doing it, its also other countries, for example the Russian-China military exercise.

Look how terrorist attacks across the world have increased signifcantly since 2003/2004. It just seems to show that just like the War on Drugs, it's just another money pit. They (from politicians to oil giants) are the only ones making money off it. IMO.

[Pook2]

I can't comment on wheter 9/11 was orchestrated by the US Gov't or done by AQ cause I haven't studied it as much as those others but 9/11 did provide the US with an pretext to exercise their foreign policy by starting the War on Terror. It gave them a reason to push further into the Middle-east and Asia.

It's now so much easier to get new bases, R&D projects, military exercises close to non-friendly countries approved by saying it's required to prevent 'future terror attacks'. And this is not just the US doing it, its also other countries, for example the Russian-China military exercise.

Look how terrorist attacks across the world have increased signifcantly since 2003/2004. It just seems to show that just like the War on Drugs, it's just another money pit. They (from politicians to oil giants) are the only ones making money off it. IMO.


Well, what do you expect? In times of war, more money goes to the military. It's like that in every nation, and during every war.

[Atlantic Friend]

Why do people believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy?

Usually, because it makes for a much more interesting story, and it even fits some people's agenda. But facts - like the whereabouts of the passengers on the hypothesis the Pentagon was hit by a missile - always get in the way.

[shire19]

Well, what do you expect? In times of war, more money goes to the military. It's like that in every nation, and during every war.

It's just a lil too convient is all I'm saying. The GWOT came at a time when the Asian powers were gaining influence in the middle-east as I recall. Now US has bases in Central Asia, that would never have been possible prior to 9/11.

[Herrmannek]

Whats funny/scarry I found in little personal poll that most of the should be intelectualy capable people(computer science students of the later years on my universtity) also believe that crap much more than in common sense... So my thinking is its not about facts at all its about wanting to believe USA is bad and its kidnapss bad children...

[BloodyTalon]

The pentagon explosion seems so weird, conspiracy or not. That is suspicious footage of the plane "crashing" into pentagon
rofl don't tell me you are one of the retards that believes a missile hit the Pentagon! Now I can understand that bone-headed conspiracy theory coming from someone whose whose prior knowledge of the military comes from movies or video games or getting shot at at Kent State, but considering that this is a military centric forum, and thus it is expected that the people that frequent this forum have at least an above-average knowledge of military history, equipment, tactics, etc. I find it very pathetic that there are people on this forum that consider that the pentagon was hit by a missle that can be mistaken for a large commercial airliner (which as anyone knows does not exist in our arsenal) even remotely plausible.

[OzMan]

starting the War on Terror

Uh... the GWOT started a LONG time before 9/11. Did you forget about what happened to the WTC in '93?

Or Oklahoma City?

Or the USS Cole bombing in Yemen?


9/11 is simply what it took to get the attention of the ignorant US general public that terrorists are a real threat. It was a major wake up call, and it seems most of the US public has already fallen back asleep.

It gave them a reason to push further into the Middle-east and Asia.

It's now so much easier to get new bases, R&D projects, military exercises close to non-friendly countries approved by saying it's required to prevent 'future terror attacks'

Ok, so say that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

What were we supposed to do in response?

[shire19]

Uh... the GWOT started a LONG time before 9/11. Did you forget about what happened to the WTC in '93?

Or Oklahoma City?

Or the USS Cole bombing in Yemen?

9/11 is simply what it took to get the attention of the ignorant US general public that terrorists are a real threat. It was a major wake up call, and it seems most of the US public has already fallen back asleep.


I'm pretty sure the GWOT was declared by President Bush in 2001.


Ok, so say that 9/11 wasn't a conspiracy.

What were we supposed to do in response?

Not attack an country that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor possed a threat to the USA p-)

[Durandal]

I just don't get it.


Two things....

1) A government most people simply do not trust. Admit it, who TRULLY trusts the U.S. government?

2) A President who warned of us the "military complex" and the "defense industry" and the dangers we have ALWAYS faced from such entities over the past thousand years.

9/11 happened...since then I think there is a whole lot of BS going on. One can look at the way we just let the Defense Industry companies off the hook in the "pension bill" the Senate just signed...

[OzMan]

Not attack an country that had nothing to do with 9/11 nor possed a threat to the USA

We can get to that later, but you didn't answer my question.

[pistol]

Has anyone ever used a cell phone on an airplane in midflight?

[OzMan]

Yeah, why?

[shire19]

We can get to that later, but you didn't answer my question.

Well I don't believe I'm in a position to answer that question as I'm not aware of the full capibilities of the US gov't. Nor am I an expert on terrorism aswell as counter-terrorism. But if you insist, the US did take the right course of action when they invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban refused to hand over Bin Laden and their support towards AQ, everything else after that just made matters worse.

[OzMan]

Ok, I'll accept that.

[Zarathustra]

The jooooooooos did it. p-)

[pistol]

Yeah, why?

Really? Where were you? How high?

[OzMan]

I was flying with a buddy of mine up to Lincoln. We were probably at FL150

[Eddy]

Yeah, why?

Cos when you push the buttons, you can kinda pilot the plane.

God forbid u got on with a gameboy...

[pascalywood]

9/11 gave Bush a pretext to create the "Patriot" act.Him and his friends keep getting richer while American servicemen get killed everyday to "free" the world. Irak certainly wasnt a very good country to live in but since it was invaded it became one of the most dangerous place to live in. Was Irak really a threat to the US? Where were the WMD? Youll live in a police state before you even realize it.

[melon]

9/11 gave Bush a pretext to create the "Patriot" act.Him and his friends keep getting richer while American servicemen get killed everyday to "free" the world. Irak certainly wasnt a very good country to live in but since it was invaded it became one of the most dangerous place to live in. Was Irak really a threat to the US? Where were the WMD? Youll live in a police state before you even realize it.


Canada will become the 51st state before that happens.

[pascalywood]

Already done. Harper was elected

[OzMan]

Cos when you push the buttons, you can kinda pilot the plane.

God forbid u got on with a gameboy...

My buddy is a pilot. We were flying GA in a Piper Arrow. There's no security checkpoints or anything like that. As far as "piloting the plane", that is very circumstantial and depends on what kind of avionics the aircraft has. In my experience, the only thing a cellular signal has ever done is make a sound over electronic speakers, and alter some presets on glass panel displays. It's more of just an annoyance rather than a lethal threat. And if you're on an airliner, with pilots and controllers talking at a million words a minute, one second of interference could mean your captain missed the approach clearance or radio frequency. A cell signal has absolutely no chance of moving the flight controls unless an autopilot is engaged.

9/11 gave Bush a pretext to create the "Patriot" act.

Unfortunately, like I said before, it takes something like 9/11 to get something like that approved. Now that doesn't mean 9/11 was orchestrated in order to approve the PATRIOT act, but if 9/11 never happened, US law enforcement agencies would continue to be many, many steps behind the terrorists. The PATRIOT act allowed LE to cut bureaucratic corners in order to get what they needed to do their job.

Now this is probably the point where you say the PATRIOT act was put in place so Big Brother could nail you for looking at porn and tap your phones for no apparent reason.

Where were the WMD?

Saddam had plenty of time to move (Syria?) or bury them. Frankly, I don't give a sh*t about the WMDs. Coalition forces have more important things to worry about now than the WMDs.

Irak certainly wasnt a very good country to live in but since it was invaded it became one of the most dangerous place to live in.

I will agree with that. I would say that there could have been better strategic planning for after the fall of Baghdad.

[melon]

Already done. Harper was elected


Yes, Canada is the 51st state.

The secrets out, the Illuminati have failed to close you down, haven't they?

[Zoomie]

9/11 gave Bush a pretext to create the "Patriot" act.Him and his friends keep getting richer while American servicemen get killed everyday to "free" the world. Irak certainly wasnt a very good country to live in but since it was invaded it became one of the most dangerous place to live in. Was Irak really a threat to the US? Where were the WMD? Youll live in a police state before you even realize it.

Annnnnd you still dodge all the questions....:roll:

[pascalywood]

Saddam had plenty of time to move (Syria?) or bury them. Frankly, I don't give a sh*t about the WMDs. Coalition forces have more important things to worry about now than the WMDs.

Bush admitted that he lied about the WMDs and it was just a pretext. A question was asked to an american puppet, er i mean politician. "You lied to the USA and the world. What are you going to do?" He answered "What are YOU going to do?" Arrogant bastard

[OzMan]

Source?

an american puppet, er i mean politician.

Here's what I don't understand. Why is it that you call US politicians puppets when Bush's approval ratings (especially within the government) are so low? I would think that more US politicians are NOT being pushed around by the President.

[Macs.]

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[jmatucd]

Bush admitted that he lied about the WMDs and it was just a pretext. A question was asked to an american puppet, er i mean politician. "You lied to the USA and the world. What are you going to do?" He answered "What are YOU going to do?" Arrogant bastard

no you are incorrect. Hundreds of chemical weapon warheads have been found. If we are arrogant bastards, then you are a ---- BAH

[JKD]

B25Hmitchell posted this in another 9/11 conspiracy thread a while back. I think it's worth posting again:

“Sir, I have another great idea.”

“Let’s hear it Smith.”

“Let’s get a third plane and crash it into the Pentagon!”

“Wow. The Pentagon. I like the way your murderous mind works Smith. Somebody put three planes on the requisition list.”

“Well, instead of an actual plane, I was thinking we could just use a missile and tell the American public that it was a plane.”

“Hmm… so we don’t hijack a third airplane?

“Oh no, we still hijack a third plane, but we don’t crash it, instead we fire a missile into the Pentagon and say that it’s the plane we hijacked.”

“Wouldn’t it be easier to just crash an actual plane?”

“Well, yes, it would be easier. But I was talking with Stevens here, from the Office of Making Things Exponentially More Complicated Than Necessary, and he thinks that not only should we use a missile instead of the plane that we’re going to have to hijack anyway, we should offload all the passengers and crew somewhere else, kill them, and then return the plane to the airline.”

* * *

“Okay, so I think we’ve got it. We hijack three planes, crash two of them into the WTC which we’ve prewired to crumble into dust, take the third plane and disappear it long enough to murder the passengers and crew then return that plane to the airline (Stevens, make a note to find an evil airline that will go along with that) and fire a missile into the Pentagon that we will then claim is the missing airplane. Now that will definitely get us a war! The public will be outraged!!! So I guess we’re all decided…. Wait. As long as we’re destroying the twin towers, lets blow up that ugly little building on the side too. I never liked that building.”

(chorus) “Yes sir. You da man!”

“Sir? I recommend that we also crash a plane into Pennsylvania.”

“Pennsylvania? Into what, the Ben Franklin museum?”

“No. Just a field in Pennsylvania.”

“Smith, I like the idea of killing innocent Americans as much as the next government official, but we’ve already stretched ourselves pretty thin here. We’ve got to find evil contractors to help us blow up the WTC, evil capitalists who’re willing to profit from it even while they’re sitting in the building that they know is about to be hit by an airplane, murderers who will kill the passengers of the plane we’re not crashing and help dispose of the bodies, an evil airline to take the supposedly-crashed plane back, evil military types with missiles to launch one at the nation’s military command center… the list goes on and on. And I think we’ve got our war pretty well sewn up with what we’ve got here. I don’t see why we need to attack a Pennsylvania field.”

“Yes sir. But you haven’t heard the rest of my idea. Instead of just hijacking the plane and crashing it into the field - that would be easy enough - we’ll hijack the plane, fly it to Ohio, unload everyone (and kill them of course) then create a fake crash site in Pennsylvania and transport the bodies there along with some fake wreckage!”

“Wouldn’t it be easier to just hijack the plane and crash it?”

“Well of course. But if we do it my way we could let literally hundreds MORE unnecessary people in on our plan!”

“You’re right Smith, when it comes to a huge secret conspiracy like we’re planning, the more people involved, the better.”
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=83924

[AFMedic]

^ Outfreakingstanding.. the 33% of Americans who polled it on government corruption cheered at the end of the V for Vendetta movie. LOL!

[Durandal]

Source?



Here's what I don't understand. Why is it that you call US politicians puppets when Bush's approval ratings (especially within the government) are so low? I would think that more US politicians are NOT being pushed around by the President.

THe president is not pushing them around, though I am sure he has his own agenda...not that it makes much sense anymore.

Big business is pushing around the politicos.

Either that or they are simply so incredibly ignorant that they are incapable of running the country.

[remo williams]

THe president is not pushing them around, though I am sure he has his own agenda...not that it makes much sense anymore.

Big business is pushing around the politicos.

Either that or they are simply so incredibly ignorant that they are incapable of running the country.

X2 on the big business point. I read in the USA Today last yr an article where a CEO of a major company advocated that business, get involved in gov't to the point where candidates would come from the executive/ceo pool. As opposed from the public. unsettling enough that laws and ethics have been relaxed to the point many of these companies are emboldend to try things they'd never get away with.

[pascalywood]

It turned the govt into a monney-making machine

[WhiskeyTango]

I just read the Sen. John McCain's forward to PM's new book "Debunking 9/11's Myths". (its in the latest issue of PM) For me the following passage sums up the ignorance of these conspiracy mongers.

"To blame not a gang of terrorists but some conspiracy for September 11 insults the police officers and firefighters who raced into the burning towers; the men and women who left for dangerous, distant lands to fight our enemies; and those who have fought in all the wars of our history."

I'm absolutely sick and tired of half wits and their mental midget pals who want to trivialize such a horrific, world changing event and blame the Gov't, Haliburton, or the military industrial complex, etc. (obviously they've never worked w/ the all-to-often-inept government to realize that no matter what Hollywood wants them to believe, they aren't capable of the act, let alone keeping it a secret.) By ignoring the facts discredits those who perished and makes me wish that God would put more chlorine into the "gene pool"

The full aritcle can be found here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/3491861.html?page=3&c=y

Link to the book can be found here: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/3491861.html