Hitler's side of the story?

[worm]

How did Hitler justify killing all the Jews? I know why Muslims today wanna kill Jews, but why did Hitler want to back then? Jews didn't even have a state back then.

[Minardiau]

Throughout history peoples without a homeland have always been cast as being responsbible for all the bad things in society.

There is a historical thing with Jews along the same lines. (they control the wealth ect ect)

Similar to the old Templars and other groups. Hence when a nation is going bad they use such groups as scapegoats.

[worm]

Why did he think Jews were causing trouble?

[Minardiau]

That's the hard part. Plain simple racism. The way Germany was finally defeated in WW1. You look for scapegoats.

[Freibier]

Read Mein Kampf if you wanna know (not advisable, very poor book and written in an awful style, imho)- there he tells about it himself

[Zerodivider]

Jews at that time were seen by many Western Christian societies in an unfavourable light...

[Paul in Saudi2]

Why did he think Jews were causing trouble?
He didn't.

You see, the Nazis did not hate the Jews because of what they did, but for what they were. A Jewish baby who had never done anything was just as much an enemy as any other Jew. A Catholic priest whose grandmother was Jew was a Jew too.

I suppose more than a few Nazis found a Jew in the family tree when they looked hard enough.

No form of conversion, or retraction or good behavior could save a Jew, as no matter what his biology was still Jewish.

[PeterG]

He didn't.

You see, the Nazis did not hate the Jews because of what they did, but for what they were. A Jewish baby who had never done anything was just as much an enemy as any other Jew. A Catholic priest whose grandmother was Jew was a Jew too.

I suppose more than a few Nazis found a Jew in the family tree when they looked hard enough.

No form of conversion, or retraction or good behavior could save a Jew, as no matter what his biology was still Jewish.

And this kind of thinking, is also seen in ethnically motivated wars around the world. Children are also killed - their 'crime' or the rationale for killing them, is simply their ethnicity. I think that the jews has been singled out originally because they were blamed for the crucifixion of Christ. I read somewhere that in the middle ages, jews were not allowed to bear arms, to own horses, and no christian were allowed to employ a jew.

A frightening concept for the jews, must be to lose the state of Israel. With the demographic changes in europe, and perhaps even the US eventually, no place will be safe for them in the future, if that happens.

[Secret Squirrel]

How did Hitler justify killing all the Jews? I know why Muslims today wanna kill Jews, but why did Hitler want to back then? Jews didn't even have a state back then.

In a Totalitarian society you need a constant source of hate to explain various social ills (see also scapegoat) since the governing body is immune from prosecution.

[ruban90]

1. hitler said that jews betryed jesus(aryan):roll:
2. they were hated because they lend out money for intrest in those days ppl just lent money without intrest
3.some politians in germany were jewish in ww1 they were corrupted
and also betrayed hitler onez when he was an artist

thats why he hates jewish

[Durandal]

Hitler was playing for the hate team....

Like so many of the years...be they in Rwanda, Serbia, Laos, or the U.S...

No reason is rational and only they understand the logic to it.

[signatory]

Hitler was playing for the hate team....



Yep and it wasn't that he just singled out Jews, he was against anything that didn't live up to his requirements on culture, politics, race and so forth, all corner stones in his vision for a proper society. Jews were an easy target because they qualified negatively in each of these differences. I think it was the combined effect. Hitler hated bolsheviks too but that was mainly over one issue, politics. Hitler didn't like Germans with defects either even if they shared the same culture and politics, so that was over the pure race thing.

So indeed, he was a hater.

[jmatucd]

....
A high percentage of skinheads (and by that definition also neo-Nazis) are also gay or have repressed homosexual feeling, if you’re not happy with that then lash out at the group you hate.

I think that Hitler had an ability to manipulate people without them even realising it.

.. aren't you scapegoating them a bit? lol ;)

1. hitler said that jews betryed jesus(aryan):roll:
2. they were hated because they lend out money for intrest in those days ppl just lent money without intrest
3.some politians in germany were jewish in ww1 they were corrupted
and also betrayed hitler onez when he was an artist

thats why he hates jewish

1. ... hitler said jesus was aryan? never heard that... since he was a Jew born to Jews I'm not sure how that works out...
2. Are you sure people were not lending with interest?
3. no clue... but part of it was (i believe) his hated father... Hitler himself may have been partly Jewish (why did he turn his town's archives into an artillery range?)... and one of his teachers who told him he was talentless in the arts was Jewish If I recall

[jmatucd]

Hitler just a greatman(side of Germany) who trying to ensure Protocol of Zionist does not proceed as planned. But he's failed at the cost of his life. Poor.

I suggest read Mein Kampf and Protocol of Zionist as a references.

I imagine you are joking

[Secret Squirrel]

and one of his teachers who told him he was talentless in the arts was Jewish If I recall

He was denied admission to the Academy of Fine Arts Vienna and he later found out that some of those who denied him admission were jewish (which he blamed for not being accepted).

[cinoeye]

Hitler was playing for the hate team....

Like so many of the years...be they in Rwanda, Serbia, Laos, or the U.S...

No reason is rational and only they understand the logic to it.
Serbia? What do you mean by that?

[Kilgor]

Hitlers jew hatred had come from centuries of anti semitism in europe, plus new "junk" science were jews were considered extremely inferior even for the subhuman class.

[Kilgor]

That's the hard part. Plain simple racism. The way Germany was finally defeated in WW1. You look for scapegoats.

The parrallel to Islamic society, which was once a mighty empire but was defeated economically, politically and militarily cannot be ignored. Guess who is to blame ? Jews and the immoral west. History has a strange way of repeating itself.

[Minardiau]

Funny no?

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[Zarathustra]

He's always considered the jews for being responsible of the WW1 defeat. See Mein Kampf. Later he and his first friends from the NSDAP spreaded their propaganda about the Jewish influence of Germany.

[Firetxmi]

Hitlers jew hatred had come from centuries of anti semitism in europe, plus new "junk" science were jews were considered extremely inferior even for the subhuman class.

It was no "New" Junk Science. That type of science had been going on for a long time (i.e. Phrenology). Hell, some people rely on this "science" still today to justify their hatred of others. May I also point out that when someone comments on how another group is "incompatable" with their own, it kind of reminds me of people using this junk science.

[chuckster]

He didn't.



I suppose more than a few Nazis found a Jew in the family tree when they looked hard enough.



An interesting footnote, it is to my understanding one of Hitler's grandfathers was the illegitimate child of a woman who worked as a domestic in a Jewish household. Perhaps this stoked the fires of his hatred of Jews. Also, wouldn't it be ironic if Hitler was part Jewish!

[chuckster]

weren't a number of high ranking Nazi party members also bi/homosexual (or so the rumors go)

<Sarcasm>

It would be very disturbing to think that anyone in the Nazi party would engage in any immoral activity.

</Sarcasm>

[K2-Kelly]

Hitlers jew hatred had come from centuries of anti semitism in europe, plus new "junk" science were jews were considered extremely inferior even for the subhuman class.

Consider this.........Anti-semitism for whatever reason had been perpetuated over much of the world for centuries. Often, just plain old "they don't worship God as I do so must be smited".....To "they have a different culture then mine so are something to be feared/hated".

However, the Jewish people have made an "easy" target for all these cultures for a number of reasons. They (the Jewish people) had a different or additional language that others didn't take the time to learn, so they seemed as though shunning the ways of that general culture. Also, "they" due to persecution tended to keep to their own (as makes sense) which also perpetuated a seperatist belief others had with them. In kind, "some" who were Jewish also due to having to focus on something other then general socializing did so with their work and became successful. At times that success continuing when other non-Jewish owned businesses were failing. Some of that goes back to very old times as even shown in Shakespeare's "The Merchant of Venice" wherein "Jewish shylocks" lent money for interest/profit which the Christian church stated was against Gods law.

So, due to a perpetuated throughout the centuries seperatism both self and other imposed, really quite simply just following different beliefs, the Jewish people fell under constant prejudice due to it.

So what?......Well, that makes for a long standing, everybody has heard it excuse to generate a focus to pull others to your cause. In kind it has often been stated Hitler himself hated Jews....Why?....Because it is easy to find an excuse for all your troubles being caused by someone you either don't understand or hate.........Yet when a nation in a crushing depression is told "look, see, the Jewish people survive and do well while "Germans" (making non-Jews seperate) starve, see this business, or that, or that" and single them out most not understanding them due to the cultural differences......Well, there is the reason. That naturally leads into "the aristocracy must therefor have Jewish ties"........As once you have generated a reason, then gained "petty power", you can then attack the real power using the petty excuse as a reason to usurp the real.

Was it hate of the Jewish people?......Possibly. Was it perhaps ALSO a very clever plan to rally the little folk, farmer and factory worker behind his cause....Possible and likely as well.

The exact and real complete reason will most likely never be known, yet it's a lesson to be aware of when any person or group tries to rally the masses under a flag or ignorance/hate/prejudice against another.............In the end it equals only one thing. A desire for power over ALL.

IMLTHO.........and my faith has not a religion by any name.

[Atlantic Friend]

How did Hitler justify killing all the Jews? I know why Muslims today wanna kill Jews, but why did Hitler want to back then? Jews didn't even have a state back then.

The Nazis didn't plan on organizing lectures around the world about how necessary their Final Solution was.

They planned to exterminate Jews, and then dismantle the camps. If they had had their way, they would have played dumb, told stories about criminal Jewish elements being sent to reeducation camps in German-controlled parts of Russia, about relocation settlements here in therem ,or even said "Jews ? What Jews ?"

As for why they did that, apparently Hitler, displaying a very human tendency, preferred conspiracies theories to facts when it came to explain his situation and Germany's.

Germany surrenders in 1918 after the German GHQ tells the Kaiser the war is lost ? For Hitler - and many Germans - it has to be because of the betrayal of a fifth column.

Hitler is a dirt-poor, low-life artist in Vienna ? It's because Jews control the art industry, not because Hitler wasn't a particularly good pupil in Art School.

Nazism gave millions of people official encouragement to think their problems were SOMEONE ELSE's fault, and thus could be blamed on whoever didn't fit in the new regime : it was Social-Democrats, non, no, it was Marxists, non, no, it was Jews ! "Mein Kampf" just did a convenient short-cut : Social-Democracy and Marxism were linked to Jews, ergo it was more efficient to accuse Jews of everything. Then it played on simple, brutal, and responsive feelings : anger and envy. Why were some Jews very rich when many Germans were so poor ?

Add to that the Hitler was influenced by several German figures who already played the anti-semitic card : politicians, like Karl Lueger, fringe scientists, like Haushoffer. He even took some of his racist ideas from two non-German "thinkers" : the United Kingdom's Chamberlain (not the PM) who thought Anglo-Saxon people to be racially superior, and French Count Gobineau, who more or less had similar ideas.

[Atlantic Friend]

weren't a number of high ranking Nazi party members also bi/homosexual (or so the rumors go)

SA Fuhrer Ernst Rohm was - until he was killed by the SS in 1934.
There were reports from the 1920s about Reinhard Heydrich's sadistic tendencies with women.
Hitler's sex life is itself a bit eerie : an affair with a niece who committed suicide in 1932-1933, extraordinary magnetism with women but no trace of a normal relationship...

Let's face it, the leaders of the Third Reich were the most incredible mix of misfits ever : drug addicts (Goering), sexual predators (Goebbels), sadists (Heydrich, Roehm, Streicher), megalomaniacs (Hitler, Goering, Ribbentrop), slightly deranged people (Hess), and delusional mass killers like Himmler, maybe the scariest figure of the Third Reich...

And that's just the key figures. The Third Reich offered job opportunities to individuals whose displayed tendencies would keep them under much stricter control in a normal society.

[Bandeirante]

Hitler was a loser. Germany fought and lost World War Two largely because of Hitler's gross incompetence. One of my Great Fathers was from Schlesien. And everybody knows what happened to them.

[Bia]

I watched the old 30's Nazi film about Jews.....cant remember the name but it was horrible as far as exploiting the innocence/ignorance of the times of Germanys own people that would be watching it back then....

It's main focus was that Jews were never actually workers but simply salesmen of the workers of Germany......how the good German would produce a product but the Jew would simply want to re-sell it never really having anything to do with the labor involved.

Seeing the times it was made in.....I can understand how an uneducated and gullible common person in those times could be fooled.......Scary!

[johanness]

Hitler believed very strong in Darwinsm and "survival of the fittest",that's
why war and fighting allways were a strongpoint of his thinking.

'cause his hate of the jews,I think nobody know..
Maybe he adopted some crude theories about races of that time and mixed
it up with Darwin.

The hate for the jews have a long history in Europe and in Spain,England and
France they were killed,thrown out and had to wear symbols like the yellow
badge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yellow_badge&action=edit


The doctor of his family and his mother during her last month's of her life was a jew,and he thanked him and made sure nothing happened to him later during Third Reich.

[K2-Kelly]

Though fictional in that casual conversations had to be guessed at, you all need to watch the madefor TV BBC/HBO movie, Conspiracy about the 1942 Wannsee Conference.

It really strikes home the absolute callous, cold, and ignorance of even highly educated people demonstrating how long and deep the anti-semetic program/talk/propaganda had been perpetuated.......If you think about it, that anti-semitism was not for just 6 or so years like it first strikes you, yet driven in to the minds of many for 20 roughly just by Hitler and the like. Probably much much longer if you consider others.........

So a whole generation simply "knowing no other way of seeing it".........Very pathetic.

[Secret Squirrel]

Hitler believed very strong in Darwinsm and "survival of the fittest",that's
why war and fighting allways were a strongpoint of his thinking.

Not exactly Darwinism but "Social Darwinism" (also known as eugenics).

And just on a side note: Herbert Spencer coined the phrase "survival of the fittness", not Darwin. Darwin used it but in a way that attempted explained interdependent relations between environment and species. For example, a wiz kid in a school for gifted children will thrive just as the school will thrive because of the kid (they both have something the other needs). However, put that same kid in a ghetto and chances are he/she wont make it out alive because neither has anything to offer the other and as such they'll reject each other unless one adapts or evolves.

[Bia]

Though fictional in that casual conversations had to be guessed at, you all need to watch the madefor TV BBC/HBO movie, Conspiracy about the 1942 Wannsee Conference.

It really strikes home the absolute callous, cold, and ignorance of even highly educated people demonstrating how long and deep the anti-semetic program/talk/propaganda had been perpetuated.......If you think about it, that anti-semitism was not for just 6 or so years like it first strikes you, yet driven in to the minds of many for 20 roughly just by Hitler and the like. Probably much much longer if you consider others.........

So a whole generation simply "knowing no other way of seeing it".........Very pathetic.
I have that film on my Hard drive... Got it off torrents.
Watched it perhaps 10 times.....very cool history lesson.

[IraGlacialis]

It's interesting that the stereotype of Jews being money hoarders was created by the Gentiles themselves. During the Dark Ages, it was taboo to handle things such as taxes and accounting due to the fact that those things were considered sins. So, of course, the Jews were put in charge of the money in most of Western Europe at the time. Thus, propogating the stereotype. Anti-Semitism also reached a high in, ironically, Germany during the Black Death. Medicine wasn't well known during that time, so usually somebody caused this: God, witches, and, of course, Jews!
On a side note, one reason that the Plague spread so well (besides the killing of cats who ate plague infested rats due to the fact that cats were considered pets of witches and the Devil) was because of another form of anti-Semitism, prejudice against Muslims. Muslims had a habit of washing themselves to keep clean and as a purification ritual. Soon, many West Europeans thought washing oneself thoroughly was considered the practice of pagans and the enemy, thus assisting the spread of plague.

[Atlantic Friend]

But I bet there mums loved them p-)

Oh, we know Hitler's mom loved him very much, and also that he hated his father because he wanted little Afolf to become a quiet civil servant in the customs administration. Too bad his father didn't get his way ! ;)

[Ayura]

I know why Muslims today wanna kill Jews


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[IraGlacialis]

I still think it's funny how Hitler propogated the whole superior Aryan race idealogy (Aryan, ironically, refers to India-Persia) of having blonde hair, blue eyes, very light complexion, and substantial height, while the whole time he had dark brown hair, brown eyes, and was very short.
Talk about double-standard.

[Freibier]

I've often thought that myself, also how he went on about the german people being superiour while himself not being german
Well, the Austrians are germans aswell, Austria is a old german state and was always part of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation.
Differences between Prussia and Austria caused the "kleindeutsche Lösung" -
the 2nd Reich without Austria.
Germans being superior to everybody else was one of the few truths in ole adolfs crazy ideology p-)

[ruban90]

.. aren't you scapegoating them a bit? lol ;)



1. ... hitler said jesus was aryan? never heard that... since he was a Jew born to Jews I'm not sure how that works out...
2. Are you sure people were not lending with interest?
3. no clue... but part of it was (i believe) his hated father... Hitler himself may have been partly Jewish (why did he turn his town's archives into an artillery range?)... and one of his teachers who told him he was talentless in the arts was Jewish If I recall

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