Captured Hezbollah arms by IDF

[DutchPride]

The title says enuff.:)

[speckfire]

Repost buddy :) Thanks anyways

[DutchPride]

Ah ****. Sorry guys

[Exer]

Interessting array of weapons

[Mardo]

Oh my gosh, are there two air-rifles in the pictures? Wow Israel is sure doing one hell of a job capturing all those vicious weapons the hezi's have.

[Beaufort]

Oh my gosh, are there two air-rifles in the pictures? Wow Israel is sure doing one hell of a job capturing all those vicious weapons the hezi's have.

I guess those Saggers and Spigots are harder to notice... :roll:

[Sneeker]

:bash: No one likes a Smart ass.

[Mardo]

Seriously, where did the Hezis acquire US made TOW missles? Did the US sell them to the Lebanese Army? and come on all of you have to admit that two Israeli soldiers standing over two air-rifles in a thread called captures weapons is comical.

[DutchPride]

Seriously, where did the Hezis acquire US made TOW missles? Did the US sell them to the Lebanese Army? and come on all of you have to admit that two Israeli soldiers standing over two air-rifles in a thread called captures weapons is comical.

Haha yeah that's right.rofl

[Ghetto Defendant]

Most of those small arms look like they belong to Lebanese civilians.

I Love the tactical o/u shotgun. I think I see a Remington 870 Wingmaster, as well.

[zealot]

Seriously, where did the Hezis acquire US made TOW missles? Did the US sell them to the Lebanese Army? and come on all of you have to admit that two Israeli soldiers standing over two air-rifles in a thread called captures weapons is comical.


from iran ( most probably..

[zealot]

Most of those small arms look like they belong to Lebanese civilians ...

i am not sure if you r trying to imply something w/ the above statement , but i can see 9 AK's, lots of AK mags & silencer ... not exactly civilian arsenal ...

[Ghetto Defendant]

i am not sure if you r trying to imply something w/ the above statement , but i can see 9 AK's, lots of AK mags & silencer ... not exactly civilian arsenal ...

I'm sure Aks are quite common among civilians in that part of Lebanon. But I'm not implying they couldn't be Hezbollah weapons. It just seems like a weak cache of small arms for a group that is as well equipped as Hezbollah.

[gadzook]

Seriously, where did the Hezis acquire US made TOW missles? Did the US sell them to the Lebanese Army? and come on all of you have to admit that two Israeli soldiers standing over two air-rifles in a thread called captures weapons is comical.

The TOW's are most likely Israeli. Left behind by the IDF on previous visits to Lebanon. Some of the weaponry used against the IDF was actual IDF inventory at one time.

I worked on the development of TOW, Paveway, CITV, HARM and Javelin.

There is an actual way for me to tell who the customer was for a particular unit via serial number, but I would lose my job if I looked it up and posted it here.

[Beaufort]

The TOW's are most likely Israeli. Left behind by the IDF on previous visits to Lebanon. Some of the weaponry used against the IDF was actual IDF inventory at one time.

I worked on the development of TOW, Paveway, CITV, HARM and Javelin.

There is an actual way for me to tell who the customer was for a particular unit via serial number, but I would lose my job if I looked it up and posted it here.

The dates on the crates in which the TOWs were found don't support that theory...


http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/967_16248.jpg


http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/967_16251.jpg

[Godspeed-]

I'm sure Aks are quite common among civilians in that part of Lebanon.
Well - you're wrong.

[Darth Vidar]

Ok, here are some more weapons the IDF has captured recently.
If you look closely some of the weapons have Hebrew markings.
I bet they are former SLA armament that the Hezbollah took over in 2000 when the IDF withdrew and SLA dropped their weapons and surrendered/ran away.

http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1011

[kosse]

Hmm. Some old rifles, LAWs, rpg. Not too impressive. We are yet to see high end ATGMs etc. Not that they'd leave those behind unless they were on the run. Can anyone tell what type of rgp warheads are in the last picture? How about the plastic looking tubes in the large wooden box?

[Darth Vidar]

I can see only 1 picture of rpg launcher. It also says:

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hmmmmmmmm, works fine with me, anyone else who cant see the pictures?

[kosse]

hmmmmmmmm, works fine with me, anyone else who cant see the pictures?

It started working. ok. Nice pics.

[Ghetto Defendant]

Well - you're wrong.

Why? Hezbollah controls Southern Lebanon. And we are talking about the most ubiquitous military rifle in the world. Seems only logical, too me.

[gadzook]

The dates on the crates in which the TOWs were found don't support that theory...


http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/967_16248.jpg


http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/967_16251.jpg

The serial numbers don't lie. You would be surprised to know who the original customer was...

If some American client states would keep better track of their weapons then they would not arm their enemies with the very weapons they purchase.

[Hater of people]

Oh my gosh, are there two air-rifles in the pictures? Wow Israel is sure doing one hell of a job capturing all those vicious weapons the hezi's have.
Have you ever been shot by a pellet gun?! It HURTS! :lol:

[Godspeed-]

Why? Hezbollah controls Southern Lebanon. And we are talking about the most ubiquitous military rifle in the world. Seems only logical, too me.
Hizbollah controls regional sectors in southern Lebanon. Lebanon is still, a pretty modern state, compared to other muslim countries. Whoever holds a weapon such as AK47 in southern Lebanon, is by a large chance a Hizbollah operative.

[Ghetto Defendant]

Hizbollah controls regional sectors in southern Lebanon. Lebanon is still, a pretty modern state, compared to other muslim countries. Whoever holds a weapon such as AK47 in southern Lebanon, is by a large chance a Hizbollah operative.

What does modern have to do with anything? Lebanon had a civil war at one time. Do you think those weapons just vanished?

[tanks_alot]

The serial numbers don't lie. You would be surprised to know who the original customer was...

If some American client states would keep better track of their weapons then they would not arm their enemies with the very weapons they purchase.

Look at the date.... 2001, Israel left Lebanon in 2000....:roll:

but don't let facts bother you.

[Beaufort]

Look at the date.... 2001, Israel left Lebanon in 2000....:roll:

but don't let facts bother you.

You dare challenge his word?!

The guy practically invented those weapons!



Sarcasm off now. :)

[gadzook]

Look at the date.... 2001, Israel left Lebanon in 2000....:roll:

but don't let facts bother you.

Don't let the fact bother you that the lot number stenciled on the side traces back to Israel.

[gadzook]

Israel left Lebanon in 2000....:roll:

but don't let facts bother you.

"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity." [Forbes 7/12/06]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

[Beaufort]

"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity." [Forbes 7/12/06]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

What the heck is your point?

Israel wasn't in Lebanon in 2001 so those crates couldn't have come from the IDF.

Not to mention that the crates have no Hebrew lettering on them.

It's very simple logic... now all that is left for you to do is:

A) Drop the act of being some sort of weapons expert with connections.

B) Admit you were wrong.

[tanks_alot]

"The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to look for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity." [Forbes 7/12/06]

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israeli_solders.html

Listen, in light of what i've seen you write in diffrent threads this will be the last time i'm writing you a serious answer, up until the year 2000 Israel had a security zone in south Lebanon until the IDF finally pulled out, the IDF blow up it's outposts along with any equipment that couldn't be taken back into Israel.

the SLA, Israel's ally, did not leave in a very ordinly fashion and alot of it's equipment was left behind.

now in regards to the TOW missiles in the picture, you can see that the date on the casings is from 2001, now i assume that your last comment was your attampt to say that the IDF is in Lebanon now but the IDF has just enterd into Lebanon in recent weeks, therefor the chance the TOW missiles in the picture can be traced back to the IDF is very unlikely....

[gadzook]

What the heck is your point?

Israel wasn't in Lebanon in 2001 so those crates couldn't have come from the IDF.

Not to mention that the crates have no Hebrew lettering on them.

It's very simple logic... now all that is left for you to do is:

A) Drop the act of being some sort of weapons expert with connections.

B) Admit you were wrong.

TOW's are not like a gallon of milk or a carton of eggs. They have a long shelf life.

Those are Israeli TOWs. The little orphans left behind that someone forgot about. The stray dogs. It happens.

I currently work and have worked on nearly all of Raytheon's missiles, CITV's, cooled and uncooled FLIR, guided munitions etc. You name it.

Want to talk shop about Harpoons, SLAMs, HARMs, Paveways, Javelins, TOWs? I know more about them that anyone else here. But that's for another thread.

Last time I checked, none of the instruction manuals, lettering, warning stickers and the like were written in Hebrew, Navajo, Chinese, Spanish, German, French, Eskimo or any other language.

[Beaufort]

TOW's are not like a gallon of milk or a carton of eggs. They have a long shelf life.

Those are Israeli TOWs. The little orphans left behind that someone forgot about. The stray dogs. It happens.


Either you are pretending not to understand our point or you clearly don't want to understand.



Last time I checked, none of the instruction manuals, lettering, warning stickers and the like were written in Hebrew, Navajo, Chinese, Spanish, German, French, Eskimo or any other language.


Here's an example of IDF M72 LAWs that were found in the Hizbollah's possession...


http://uploaded.fresh.co.il/2006/08/06/13583064.jpg

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

what an unusual "array" of weaponry...so this is the "mighty hezbollah"?

no wonder they use rockets on civies

i know id hate to roll up to a merkav armed with an air rifle!

[Beaufort]

what an unusual "array" of weaponry...so this is the "mighty hezbollah"?


No one was expecting to find tanks up there... remember that this is an organization using guerilla tactics.

Anyway, these photos don't represent the whole Hizbollah arsenal (not by a margin).

Don't forget that this is an organiztion that annualy recieves 100 million Dollars and possesses wepons such as the Zelzal 2, Kornet and even anti-ship cruise missiles.

[kosse]

No one was expecting to find tanks up there... remember that this is an organization using guerilla tactics.

Anyway, these photos don't represent the whole Hizbollah arsenal (not by a margin).

Don't forget that this is an organiztion that annualy recieves 100 million Dollars and possesses wepons such as the Zelzal 2, Kornet and even anti-ship cruise missiles.

We are yet to see any evidence of Kornets or other high-end ATGMs. There are only rumors in the intternets. I suppose too that they would have already used Zelzal 2 if they had had any (?).

[Darth Vidar]

120 mm mortar captured by the IDF from the Hezbollah.

http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1013

[kosse]

120 mm mortar captured by the IDF from the Hezbollah.

http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1013

It looks so mistreated. I wonder where the plate is or did they use it without (rip) :|. Does anyone know what the metal box is in the background?

[flanker7]

120 mm mortar captured by the IDF from the Hezbollah.

http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1013

That's one rusted tube!

[flanker7]

It looks so mistreated. I wonder where the plate is or did they use it without (rip) :|. Does anyone know what the metal box is in the background?
The box must be a radio and it's case

[kosse]

That's one rusted tube!

Yep it hurts inside to see mortar in that kind of condition. Do they have no idea how to keep those things in working condition. That kind of rusting does not happen actually overnight p-). And if their equipment looks like this (and like we have seen) I don't want to know how they count firing values or actually hit anything.


The box must be a radio and it's case
That would make sense.

[Beaufort]

I suppose too that they would have already used Zelzal 2 if they had had any (?).

Remember the "IAF F-16" that was allegedly downed ove Beirut?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJsN2eGiOyM

Turns out it was a Zelzal that "launched" itself after the IAF had hit the launcher...

[tanks_alot]

That's one rusted tube!

It looks like dirt to me, you can see the hand print on the tip cleaned it, rust dosn't come off that easley.

[Darth Vidar]

Anti-tank weapons captured by IDF from Hezbollah:

TOW-launcher:
http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17017.jpg

AT-3 Sagger:

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17013.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17014.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17015.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17016.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17018.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1037_17020.jpg

[He219]

Nice pix, Darth Vidar!
:)

Nutty seeing those Anti-tank weapons next (http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1037) to lots of Air-rifles.

[King_Cobra]

Nice pix, Darth Vidar!
:)

Nutty seeing those Anti-tank weapons next (http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1037) to lots of Air-rifles.

True :) Very Funny :)

[King_Cobra]

Nice pix, Darth Vidar!
:)

Nutty seeing those Anti-tank weapons next (http://www.hnn.co.il/index.php?module=albums;task=view;id=1037) to lots of Air-rifles.

True :) Very Funny :)

[One?]

Not all the TOWs belong to the SLA.

Remember when Israel used to arm the Lebanese Forces?? All those weapons went to the lebanese army after the civil war, and from there well you know where they ended up. Iran has TOWS from the days of the Shah and I believe they develop their own. And there is the black market...

HNN had more photos which prove that this is not a Hezbollah weapons cache. It belongs to Amal. How did I know? Simple, just look at the flags and hats that clearly say "Haraket Amal" (in arabic).

Saggers seem to be like ****ing candy down there....

[Darth Vidar]

More pictures of weapons and other gear captured by the IDF in S-Lebanon:


http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17033.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17034.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17035.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17036.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17037.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17038.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17039.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17042.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17043.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17044.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17045.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17046.jpg

[Flying Dutchman]

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17045.jpg

whats in the green box?
m203 grenades?

[Mobydog]

Actually, from what the media are portraying about the Hezzies, I was expecting more and better conditioned weapons.

From those pics in this tread, they looked more like rickety modley hand-me-down crew. Those ATM looks very old... and the assortment of weapon is very varied.

Even those Somalia, congo and Sudan jokers seemed to have AKs and Rpgs in every hands.

[southpark2000]

Actually, from what the media are portraying about the Hezzies, I was expecting more and better conditioned weapons.

From those pics in this tread, they looked more like rickety modley hand-me-down crew. Those ATM looks very old... and the assortment of weapon is very varied.

Even those Somalia, congo and Sudan jokers seemed to have AKs and Rpgs in every hands.

To be honest, I think the media is biased against Israelis to a large extent. Looking thru' lots of videos of Israeli planes hitting legitimate targets in crowded cities and not seeing one of them on CNN and BBC (at least in my region)....

....And yes, after a bomb raid, u see videos focusing on photographs miracously unspolit by dust and debri lying on top of piles of rubbles...ditto for clean toys....

[Mobydog]

To be honest, I think the media is biased against Israelis to a large extent. Looking thru' lots of videos of Israeli planes hitting legitimate targets in crowded cities and not seeing one of them on CNN and BBC (at least in my region)....

....And yes, after a bomb raid, u see videos focusing on photographs miracously unspolit by dust and debri lying on top of piles of rubbles...ditto for clean toys....Don't BS, what legit targets did IDAF hit in Crowded cities against those which are not... ? Point me to the lot's of vid...

[southpark2000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGgwfSitO4E&search=idf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYXyKTsSXQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTLdX9i_vI4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0AeWjeHaPc --> u can see that it was fired from urban area

http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files/2/55972.wmv

http://www.4law.co.il/leb1b.html --> u'll find more here

[larryzou]

thanks guy !!!

[Mobydog]

None of your videos shows legit targets being bombed in Crowded Cities... any vids of Bombing of Beirut ? Because Beirut and tyre was bombed riddened.

Most of the rockets launches in the vids are in open fields and in the suburd, one besides building (looks tempered) and a strike at a car.

[Darth Vidar]

Does anyone have any pictures from the exhibition of captured arms?

[NimDod]

Does anyone have any pictures from this exhibition of captured arms?


http://www.ynet.co.il/PicServer2/20122005/859711/Copy-of-IMG_8691_wa.jpg

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4339/margemaaaaaum0.jpg

[Beaufort]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4339/margemaaaaaum0.jpg

That rocket on the right seems very interesting... dual warhead?

[NimDod]

I think thats a PG-29V rocket (RPG29 ammo)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/RPG-29.JPG/800px-RPG-29.JPG
*edited

[Darth Vidar]

Thanks Nimdod! :)

[Darth Vidar]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3288786,00.html

IDF arms recovered in Lebanon

Israeli equipment left in hands of Hizbullah following 2000 withdrawal; now, army recovers much of it, including rifles and radio equipment with Hebrew inscriptions
Hanan Greenberg
A large selection of Hizbullah (http://www.militaryphotos.net/articles/0,7340,L-3284023,00.html) arms and equipment found in southern Lebanon (http://www.militaryphotos.net/articles/0,7340,L-3284170,00.html) during the month of fighting came from the IDF itself, according to a military official.


Major Meir Guttman, who is the deputy commander of the unit responsible for recovered arms, said that radio equipment, vests, and rifles that were used by the IDF in the past were found by troops operating in Lebanon.

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/20122005/859711/Copy-of-IMG_8691_wa.jpg
IDF sodlier inspecting arms booty in Lebanon (Photo: Ofer Amram)

According to Guttman, the weapons and equipment may have been stolen from the Israeli army or left behind following the IDF's withdrawal.

On Tuesday, Guttman spoke with Ynet and discussed the unit's intensive work in recent days, noting that unit members do not enter Lebanon because of the high risk involved, and instead wait for the weapons to be brought back by troops.



All equipment is checked by sappers to ensure it was not ****y-trapped, he said.
"The booty is examined and analyzed by various IDF elements in order to study it and draw conclusions, which are of great importance," Guttman added.

Equipment recovered by Israeli troops operating in Lebanon includes night-vision equipment, gas masks, cutting-edge radio equipment, dozens of rifles, various types of handguns, silencers, helmets, and protective vests.

[Beaufort]

I think thats a PG-29V rocket (RPG29 ammo)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/RPG-29.JPG/800px-RPG-29.JPG
from russia with love...

It's open up in the middle I see...


http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/4339/margemaaaaaum0.jpg

[Darth Vidar]

http://cache.*****images.com/xc/71612565.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D062FF0162116602A1

What is the launcher on the right? Milan or some russian type?

[He219]

Russian KonKurs ATGM perhaps ... but check out those air-rifles and shotguns!! p-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/fresh/30863346.jpg

[Darth Vidar]

Some more photos:

http://cache.*****images.com/xc/71612541.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D09EC71239BD377162

http://cache.*****images.com/xc/71612583.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D0B1DB23B0F51C9DB0

http://cache.*****images.com/xc/71612631.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=08A8BA3C818346D0826ECA1F874DBCA8



I tried to roughly count the number of ak-47`s. There must be somewhere in between 150 to 175. If each one represents a dead Hezzi........

[He219]

.. that would mean each Spigot missile represents 100~!
:lol:

[Darth Vidar]

.. that would mean each Spigot missile represents 100~!
lol

Yeah, that would be something! p-)

[Darth Vidar]

more pictures of weapons and gear:

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17114.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17115.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17116.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17118.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17119.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1043_17120.jpg

[southpark2000]

None of your videos shows legit targets being bombed in Crowded Cities... any vids of Bombing of Beirut ? Because Beirut and tyre was bombed riddened.

Most of the rockets launches in the vids are in open fields and in the suburd, one besides building (looks tempered) and a strike at a car.

Yr earlier post refers:

"Don't BS, what legit targets did IDAF hit in Crowded cities against those which are not... ? Point me to the lot's of vid..."

No mention of Beiruit.....

And I din say Beiruit either....

[tanks_alot]

Here is a video of equipment caught in the earlier days of the fightings, might be a repost.

http://www.youtube.com/v/P0ELDpUIB5o (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/%5Bembed%5Dhttp://www.youtube.com/v/P0ELDpUIB5o%5B/embed%5D)

[frenchy]

Wow, hezbollah has a lot of money and good friends like Iran and Syria to own these weapons.:|

[Darth Vidar]

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=56320.EN

Hezbollah Weapons Captured by IDF were Presented Today Wednesday 09/08/2006 19:47http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_Site/tans.gifhttp://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_Site/tans.gif
Hezbollah weapons and equipment captured by the IDF booty evacuation unit as part of Operation Change of Direction, were presented today (Wednesday 09/08/06) at the Logistics Branch base.

"This booty was acquired following uncompromising warfare and was cleared from different combat zones- Bint Jbeil, Maroun A-Ras, Teibeh, and Debel," said the deputy commander of the booty evacuation unit, Major Meir Gutman. Dozens of different types of guns and pistols, magazines, RPG launchers, communication devices, a motorcycle, machine guns, submachine guns, cannon, a MAG, a bunker cover, and a long ranger observation camera were captured by the force.


The Booty Evacuation Unit
The Booty Evacuation Unit was established in 1973, during the latter part of the Yom Kippur War, in order to create a force that will be responsible for the clearing of all booty during warfare. In 1982, during the Galilee War, three different units responsible for the clearing of booty were established and were united after the war and made into one unit. In its routine, the unit, along with clearing booty, also conducts continuous security reconnaissance activities, ambushes, observations, and chases after infiltrators and smugglers along the border.

Among the weapons, IDF equipment used by the Hezbollah was also presented. IDF communication devices, combat bullet-proof vests, and backpacks were presented.

Additionally, a bunker cover used by the Hezbollah was presented. The barrier, which resembled rocky ground, was captured in the area of Maroun A-Ras in the first days of the war. "The barrier is built in an artificial way with much consideration," commented Major Gutman on the bunker cover.
Head of the Weapons Branch "The Hezbollah is not equipped as well as the Israeli army is, but it is well equipped"

Among the weapons were presented anti-tank missiles used by the Hezbollah. It is also known that the Hezbollah owns missiles of the most advanced types, among them Russian missiles that the organization acquired through Syria. "The Hezbollah is not equipped as well as the Israeli army is, but it is well equipped," said the head of the Weapons Branch in the Infantry Corps, Lieutenant Colonel Ze'ev Shniorson.



http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files/9/56319.wmv



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[Darth Vidar]

More from the exhibition today:

AT-4 Fagot-launcher and cover for tunnel.
http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17132.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17133.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17134.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17135.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17136.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17137.jpg

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http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17139.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1046_17140.jpg

[Mardo]

but check out those air-rifles and shotguns!! p-)

Some of the shotguns are actually really nice. I am suprised that the citizens of Lebanon have such nice hunting hardware.

[Mobydog]

Yr earlier post refers:

"Don't BS, what legit targets did IDAF hit in Crowded cities against those which are not... ? Point me to the lot's of vid..."

No mention of Beiruit.....

And I din say Beiruit either....Well, you said....

'To be honest, I think the media is biased against Israelis to a large extent. Looking thru' lots of videos of Israeli planes hitting legitimate targets in crowded cities and not seeing one of them on CNN and BBC (at least in my region)....'

So, which other Lebanese Cities in south Lebanon is crowded..

[frenchy]

Where all those weapons will finish ?

[He219]

In the scrapheap of history, my friend.
p-)

[frenchy]

In the scrapheap of history, my friend.
p-)

lord of war, a good business.rofl

[Lokos]

The serial numbers don't lie.

Which serial numbers?

Lokos

[Mardo]

Which serial numbers?

Lokos


Not this again.

[Lokos]

I honestly want to know - I didn't see any.

Lokos

[Beaufort]

I honestly want to know - I didn't see any.

Lokos

He's a poser, and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Lokos]

He's a poser, and therefore shouldn't be taken seriously.

I don't like accusing people of anything, but there was no serial number on those boxes, as far as I could see. Just dimensions, weight, date, type of weapon etc. The closest thing to a serial number would be the 'Lot' section, but it's hardly likely that the serial number of the weapon in question would consist of two digits.

I'd ask this avowed expert again: 'Which serial numbers?'

And for someone who isn't allowed to look up clients based on serial numbers and then reveal them to the public, he did so quite blatantly - going so far as to call Israel a 'client state'. Quite cheeky.

Lokos

[eATS]

from iran ( most probably..

probally not, the lot date on the missles is 2001.

[Masai]

What is the suitcase type piece of equipment in the first thumbnail ?

[Sergei]

I think thats a PG-29V rocket (RPG29 ammo)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/2b/RPG-29.JPG/800px-RPG-29.JPG
from russia with love...


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Granit/Tutti-frutti/967_16248.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v197/Granit/Tutti-frutti/967_16251.jpg

From USA with love, what's your point?

[NimDod]

here's my point:


With Putin's explicit approval, Moscow forgave 73 percent of the $13.4 billion debt owed by Damascus, a significant amount of money for Russia.[33] Moreover, in April 2005, Russia sold Strelets surface-to-air missiles to Syria, thereby ignoring vocal Israeli and American concerns that the weapons could fall into the hands of Hizballah.[34] When asked on Israeli television whether he felt the sale of the Strelets defense system posed a threat to Israel
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=375514


But Putin dismissed that possibility. "We mounted those systems on mobile carriages and they cannot be passed on to terrorists unnoticed"
http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2005/04/354f4f21-70bb-40ba-9273-2fb8da992c74.html


"No one can say that we are acting irresponsibly," Putin said. "On the contrary, we are taking into account our partners' opinions and concerns. And we are not doing anything to upset the balance of forces and interests in the region."

But Katsav said the missile system could reduce Israel's ability to fight terrorism.

"Russia has made important efforts in the international fight against terror," Katsav said. "The two nations have a mutual and joint interest. For Israel, it is important to advance relations with Russia in regards to coordinating various issues."

Katsav also said Israel is concerned that the deal could allow deadly weapons to fall into the hands of Lebanon's pro-Syrian, Shi'ite militia Hezbollah.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/russia/2005/russia-050428-rferl01.htm




Putin said the missiles could not be converted to portable use by terrorists without authorities being aware and repeated earlier assurances that the short range missiles were no threat to Israeli territory

“The only way you can come into contact with these missiles would be to attack Syria. Do you want to do that?” Putin said in a joint news conference with Katsav after their meeting.

But Israeli officials appeared unconvinced. Katsav said selling Syria missiles could hurt Israel’s attempts to fight terrorism — a jab at the Russian president, who called for strengthening cooperation against the common threat of terrorism.
http://www.aljazeerah.info/News%20archives/2005%20News%20Archives/April%202005%20News/29%20n/Putin%20in%20Israel%20%20Defends%20Iran%20%20Syria.htm


Putin also sought to allay concerns about the Syrian arms deal, saying the missiles should pose no threat to Israel.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/4/28/91621.shtml

buttom line is that the Russian president promised Israel that none of the weapons sold to Syria will be transfered to terrorists organizations (aka Hezbullah). guess what - they did.
I wonder how would russian react if Israeli spike missiles got to the terrorists who attack russians...

[Kvakva]

here's my point:
buttom line is that the Russian president promised Israel that none of the weapons sold to Syria will be transfered to terrorists organizations (aka Hezbullah). guess what - they did.
I see talk about surface-to-air missiles (articles date is 2005), so whats your point? Have you found any?
And as far as i know Iran has a copy of rpg-29 (Russia developed it in "late 80s" so its not a new weapon.)

[Sergei]

here's my point:

buttom line is that the Russian president promised Israel that none of the weapons sold to Syria will be transfered to terrorists organizations (aka Hezbullah). guess what - they did.
I wonder how would russian react if Israeli spike missiles got to the terrorists who attack russians...

I see, so the Russian president is responsible for all weapon final destinations, right? The weapons intended for Syria have a "final destination" certificate. Where they end up later has to do with stupid and ill-hearted syrian officials and not the russian government which fulfills its side of the deal in total accordance with the international law.
And guess what? A lot of Israeli Uzi's were killing Russian soldiers in Chechnya, did Russia cry a river about it?

As you can see not only russian weapons but also yankee and french weapons are killing IDF soldiers in Lebanon, why is Russia singled out? Another Russophobish attack?
Oh I see, you are not allowed to bark on your main sponsor, right?

[NimDod]

they found Matis-M AT, RPG29's. Its just a matter of time befor you would see pictures of Russian made AA missles and Kornet-E from that last deal...

[Kvakva]

they found Matis-M AT, RPG29's. Its just a matter of time befor you would see pictures of Russian made AA missles and Kornet-E from that last deal...
Please show me the pic of Metis-M (and you should know that Metis and Metis-M are not the same).

Its just a matter of time befor you would see pictures of Russian made AA missles and Kornet-E from that last deal...[/
Don't run infront of a train.

[NimDod]

I see, so the Russian president is responsible for all weapon final destinations, right? The weapons intended for Syria have a "final destination" certificate. Where they end up later has to do with stupid and ill-hearted syrian officials and not the russian government which fulfills its side of the deal in total accordance with the international law.
And guess what? A lot of Israeli Uzi's were killing Russian soldiers in Chechnya, did Russia cry a river about it?

As you can see not only russian weapons but also yankee and french weapons are killing IDF soldiers in Lebanon, why is Russia singled out? Another Russophobish attack?
Oh I see, you are not allowed to bark on your main sponsor, right?
most of the UZI's arround the world are not Israeli made.
but I understand what you say. I take that comment back.

[haze99]

A Bulgarian (Arsenal factory) MG-1 (PK) 7.62x54Rmm machine-gun. Not surprising, Bulgarian arms are popping up everywhere nowadays!

[He219]

What do you make of this equipment?

בפעילות כוחות צה"ל בכפר בינת ג'ביל נמצאו אמצעי לחימה
רבים תצלומי אוויר ואמצעים מיוחדים לראית לילה

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17257.jpg
http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17259.jpg
http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17262.jpg

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17263.jpg

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17264.jpg

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17265.jpg

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17266.jpg

Forward observation and targeting equipment perhaps;
Who knows what those tripod mounted devices are?

(laser rangefinder and IR light - for ?)

[Elemental666]

It says in hebrew that those are some sort of night vision equipment.

[Kvakva]

What do you make of this equipment?
Forward observation and targeting equipment perhaps;
Who knows what those tripod mounted devices are?

(laser rangefinder and IR light - for ?)
surveillance and i suppose some sort of command center. They see, they know, they update, they command...

[Flying Dutchman]

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1039_17045.jpg

whats in the green box?
m203 grenades?
no1 knows?













wierd :p

[Mr.Flint]

http://84.95.240.242/%7Ehnn/images/albums/1056_17265.jpg




Damn you Google for providing terrorists with acurate satelite maps!
in case its not clear, here is my picture of the same area (its Qiryat Shemona) from google
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/google.jpg
http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/?start=#imgAnch1 (http://s97.photobucket.com/albums/l235/mr_flint/?start=#imgAnch1)

[Roy Batty]

http://84.95.240.242/~hnn/images/albums/1056_17262.jpg

Nice radios. Even the ANA are trying to ditch their 77 sets!

[gadzook]

IR won't work through a standard glass window. Visible light is one of the only forms of light that can pass through glass. Either they have a plastic type window or the equipment is a low grade light amplifier.

[inche yao?]

kinda strange why the Hezees left the place intact before they bailed.

Is it maybe they were killed by suprise?

[Darth Vidar]

video from the "surveillance room" of Hezbollah:

http://www.4law.co.il/avir19.wmv

[CruddyLeper]

What do you make of this equipment?


Already posted what I think in the "Pics of the Day" Thread. Was pretty sure it wasn't a command post, as you don't put observation equipment in a place that radiates commands. If they did, they were stupid. I think Israel is no. 1 at Electronic War.



Not military. Civilian theodolite mount, sports image intensifier. Commercial quality video camera. Good quality video cable, but they should have lef it looped up - looks like the setup was put up in a hurry.


don't think this is a Command Post, more like Observation Post. Those are radio receivers setup with a PC to intercept radio comms. Again, very much adhoc, done in a hurry.

Probably got 2 so they can triangulate intercepts - doubtful they were looking to actually get Intel, just scanning for signals

Just to add, I think phones are for commo, the radios are for intercept (and I think, possibly direction finding - always supposing 2 sepeate antennae). Mostly civilian kit.


video from the "surveillance room" of Hezbollah:

http://www.4law.co.il/avir19.wmv

Excellent. Moving pictures show a lot more detail. I'm 100% convinced the grey box on the tripod is civilian/commercial... who gives grey equipment to ground forces? I'd say a camera with a weather shield if not a theodolite.

Those SF boys were damn lucky Hizbollah didn't leave an IED behind. Me, I'd have covered the place in thermite and attached a fuse before leaving.

[Darth Vidar]

Hezbollah position with underground bunkers and abandoned arms:

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1123_18125.jpg

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http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1123_18132.jpg

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=57065.EN
Large Weapons Cache Found in S. Lebanonhttp://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_EN/news/brake_line.gifSunday 27/08/2006 09:53http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_Site/tans.gifhttp://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_Site/tans.gif IDF forces in southern Lebanon over the weekend uncovered a large cache of weapons, among them anti-tank missiles and launchers, belonging to the Hezbollah terror organization. The discovery was made in a nature preserve near the village of Aiyta A-Shab, according to Lieutenant Colonel Mordechai, commander of the Egoz special unit. "We thought something stank in that area, and we went to check. Engineering equipment had not been able to get in there and it's not possible to see anything from the air, either. When we found the preserve it was deserted, no terrorists, but there remained a very large amount of weaponry and infrastructure. The place was built for a very large number of terrorists. They hid in underground caves, went into alcoves and passages of 6-10 meters [in depth], resided underneath the ground. We found Sajr [missiles], multi-missile Katyusha launchers, and more. We blew up the weapons as well as the tunnel system that was there."
http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_EN/pages/tans.gif
http://www1.idf.il/dover/site/Images_Site/tans.gif

[JJHH]

this smells like Yuri Orlov..

[1911-a1]

this smells like Yuri Orlov..


Is he real? Or do you mean nicolas cage? :)

[One?]

You guys should of seen the tunnels on aljazeera. Hezbollah took them on a tour in one of the towns. All the hezb fighters had houses there and underneath their houses was a network of tunnels and hideouts. They had their own interphone network, food, water, comms, weapons, medics etc... It was village under a village basically. The video might be on youtube.

[Darth Vidar]

IDF engineers destroying Hezbollah bunker, notice UN position very close by!

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1132_18258.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1132_18259.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1132_18260.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1132_18261.jpg

These pictures above might show the bunker complex mentioned in this article:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3296395,00.html

IDF blows up Hizbullah bunker near border

Published: 08.27.06, 20:13 </SPAN>

>The IDF has blown up a Hizbullah bunker, uncovered 400 meters from the northern border near Rosh Hanikra.

Deputy Commander of the Golani Brigade, Lieutenant General Gasam Alian, said that "this is a bunker that sprawls on the ground two kilometers with shooting positions of molded concrete." He added that the bunker was advanced and connected to telephone lines. (Hanan Greenberg)

[GiladS]

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1132_18260.jpg

White phosphorous grenade?

[GiladS]

IDF blows up massive Hizbullah bunker

IDF continues to operate in Lebanon in accordance with ceasefire rules: On Sunday evening Army blows up Hizbullah bunker located 400 meters from border. Golani commander: 'Bunker highly sophisticated, equipped with logistical means'


Link (including video footage of the demolitiong of the bunker) (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3296419,00.html)

[Darth Vidar]

Hezbollah bunker and 240 mm rocket launcher site.

The bunker looks very well made!



240mm rocket + launcher
http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18285.jpg

Microwave oven?
http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18286.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18287.jpg

http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18288.jpg


Rocket launching site
http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18289.jpg

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http://www.hnn.co.il/images/albums/1135_18294.jpg

[frenchy]

Nice pics.:)

[Darth Vidar]

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=57305.EN

Golani Forces Uncover Bunker in Southern Lebanon.

During reconnaissance operations conducted by Golani Brigade Special Forces in southern Lebanon on Tuesday (05/09/06), the soldiers found a bunker storing a great number of weapons, among them mortar shells, about a hundred bombs, a Kalashnikov gun, and additional explosives.
"The operation was planned last week," said Major G' of Golani special forces. "We knew exactly where we are going. We received intelligence and carried out our operations accordingly."

http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files///8//57318.jpg

video:
http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files/4/57304.wmv

[Darth Vidar]

http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpage.asp?sl=EN&id=7&docid=57283.EN

Weapon Stores Uncovered in Southern Lebanon

IDF forces uncovered in the western sector of southern Lebanon large weapon stores, in which were found hundreds of bombs, anti-tank launchers, a number of anti-tank missiles and small arms.

video:
http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files/2/57282.wmv





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