Official NFL Thread

[WolverineBlue]

Redskins for the win -- they're going to be awesome this year.

[Exer]

Oakland raiders i luv em

[Miles.]

Redskins for the win -- they're going to be awesome this year.

Redskins will be good this year, I concede.

Cowboys all the way...

[WolverineBlue]

A buddy of mine is the executive chef for the 'Skins. He works at Dan Snyder's gazillion-dollar estate in Potomac, MD, as well as at Snyder's pad in Aspen. He's also designing a kitchen/cafeteria at Redskins Park (Ashburn, VA). Needless to say, I'm all up in his face for sweet tickets.

[Seahawk_73]

Who do you think is going all the way
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[Aerosoul]

I hope the Titans can get it in gear this year. They have Vince Young and LenDale White now, so we'll see. We really need an offensive-line though. it killed us last year.

[Hellfish]

GO BEARS! Ftw!

[Elemental666]

We don't have Football here :[
Just gay soccer.:-(

[TuNeRsHaRk]

i think its gonna be a good year, alot of the sucky teams from last year have gotten ahold of some really good players, well see though

*sniff sniff* i smell a superbowl title from the packers :P

[bishop1]

Im going for the Chiefs, they stand more of a chance than in a long time now, with LJ, and Tye Law, it could be great.
The Titans will be fun to watch with Young, and I like the Broncos from the Elway, Davis, Sharpe days.
Anyone gonna watch the hall of fame game?

[Anthony91]

Everyone knows the Seahawks will win the Super Bowl this year.....why?

Because I murdered the refs at the 2006 Super Bowl. They won't be any service to us any more. :)

[Miles.]

I hope the Titans can get it in gear this year. They have Vince Young and LenDale White now, so we'll see. We really need an offensive-line though. it killed us last year.

I like both those rookies, and the Titans are on the Cowboys schedule. woot woot

Anybody know what the story is between McNair and the Titans? Is he gonna start/play/go to Baltimore?

[bishop1]

I like both those rookies, and the Titans are on the Cowboys schedule. woot woot

Anybody know what the story is between McNair and the Titans? Is he gonna start/play/go to Baltimore?


He already is with Baltimore, and probably will start.

[Miles.]

Hell yeah, Vince Young's going to start??! woot woot

aerosoul, isn't Chris Brown the type of half-back that can create some yards? Offensive line is every team's problem. Seems pretty good to have a power HB like White, then Brown, and then Vince Young.

[LaoSexMachine]

I hope the Texans win atleat6 games. Go Texans.

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/hou/logo.jpg

[Aerosoul]

Hell yeah, Vince Young's going to start??! woot woot

aerosoul, isn't Chris Brown the type of half-back that can create some yards? Offensive line is every team's problem. Seems pretty good to have a power HB like White, then Brown, and then Vince Young.

Brown can get some yeah. he's pretty good.

[Sten3]

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[AFMedic]

This is going to be an exciting next couple of years in the NFL.

Go Chargers!!!

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[scm77]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1052/packerstv9.jpg

ftw! woot

[mudbunny]

I think it's very possible that Favre could throw 30 INT's this year; that dude should've retired 3 years ago.

[Hooahman]

I'll be happy if the 49ers win more than 5 games this year. Preferably at least 4 at home :).

[W3s II]

Carolina Panthers FTW!

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

keepin my fingers crossed that the texans will finish .500

a friend/guy i played football with in h.s., his uncle is the new head coach, go kubiak!

[scrybe]

I just wanted to get in on this on the second page because I know it will be huge.

About the only team I ever root for is Denver, because it is the only team representing a city that I have lived in. No idea how good they are expected to be this year though.

[NegativeCreep47]

I hope the Seahawks win at least one game










In February.

[farmgirl]

Go Broncos!!!!!!!!

[W3s II]

I hope the Seahawks win at least one game










In February.

They won't make it to Feb.

Keyshawn Johnson, Deshaun Foster, Jake Delhomme, Steve Smith, etc. will be there this year hoisting up the Vince Lombardi trophy.

[Bob Lawbla]

Getting my season tickets this week-end.

Game time baby!!!!!!!

Question mark at running back and Ashley Lelie still out of camp.

Still a play-off caliber team tho.

GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!

[Operation Ivy]

Hell yeah, Vince Young's going to start??! woot woot

aerosoul, isn't Chris Brown the type of half-back that can create some yards? Offensive line is every team's problem. Seems pretty good to have a power HB like White, then Brown, and then Vince Young.



Vince Young will not start the first few games of the season, many ppl think if he does start this year it will be when at the Titans v Texans game forget what week that is.

and btw go

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[Miles.]

Vince Young will not start the first few games of the season, many ppl think if he does start this year it will be when at the Titans v Texans game forget what week that is.

Dallas is playing Tennessee this year, so I might get to see him. I hope Young can make some plays. He's very exciting.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1052/packerstv9.jpg

ftw! woot

Hell Yeah!!!!!!

Al Harris!!!!111STRONG!!!!111!!!!


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[WolverineBlue]

*chuckles at the rest of the NFC's futility*

[Operation Ivy]

*chuckles at the rest of the NFC's futility*

I picked your skins to go 10-6 last year, this year expect them to be 9-7 sorry :)

[szr]

Man, it's nice to see the thread back. The snow will be falling and we'll have the fireplaces glowing in no time, now. ;)

Man, I'm starved for the game. I'm actually looking forward to pre-season football; Giants @ Baltimore, Friday night. p-)

[mudbunny]

Hell yeah! I need to cleanse my soul from the fact that I actually watched Soccer/Football this summer, to pass the time. Piss on Soccer!!!!!


GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!

[ed316]

Texans baby, Texans! Houston Strong111oneeleven.

[Ria]

Don't really follow NFL but...go Texas!! :D

and since I'm a Floridian..woo Buccaneers!

[ed316]

Dallas or Houston?

[Ria]

Dallas or Houston?

Houston of course:)

[Hellfish]

Don't really follow NFL but...go Texas!! :D

and since I'm a Floridian..woo Buccaneers!

Isn't Jacksonville closer to you? p-)

[ed316]

Houston of course:)


Good girl. Your boyfriend taught you well.

[americanbychoice]

Dallas is playing Tennessee this year, so I might get to see him. I hope Young can make some plays. He's very exciting.

I don't care about "exciting", although I do agree about his athletic talent.

What I want most is to see how Vince Young plays quarterback at the next level. What will be exciting is when people take Black quarterbacks seriously as passers rather than athletic anomalies (like Michael Vick)... and this was the exciting thing about Warren Moon going into the Hall of Fame.

I think Vince Young, in the Titans system, with Norm Chow (when Leinart was supposed to be "his guy")... Young might have the chance to put the "Black Quarterback" stigma in the dust. He seems to have the emotional maturity & the personality so far, and Norm Chow seems to be happy... whether Young can be an NFL guy AND whether Chow can translate his stuff into the NFL (which seems to be the case with Carson Palmer, and we shall see with Leinart)... that's the mystery and the excitement about Vince Young in my eyes.

/not holding my breath to see how "great" the Detroit Lions do this year... can they draft more WR with their #1 draft pick, or is three #1 WR picks enough?

[Papelgod]

I hope the Titans can get it in gear this year. They have Vince Young and LenDale White now, so we'll see. We really need an offensive-line though. it killed us last year.You're a Titans fan? awesome... me too... Lendale needs to get off the reefer though... and it's good that VY got in camp early instead of holding out...

[deadhorse]

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mmmmm........Texans....drool......rofl

[Ria]

Isn't Jacksonville closer to you? p-)

Yea but my parents always went for Buccaneers more than the Jaguars...I know pretty much nothing of either team. I'm not really an NFL girl..

[LaoSexMachine]

Mario Williams
HEIGHT 6'7"
WEIGHT 295
40 TIME 4.67 seconds.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_Day/06_05_03/HA07606.jpg

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

Mario Williams
HEIGHT 6'7"
WEIGHT 295
40 TIME 4.67 seconds.

http://www.photofile.com/Photos/Photos_Of_The_Day/06_05_03/HA07606.jpg

at least we secured our spot on a future ESPN special like top ten biggest draft mistakes

[LaoSexMachine]

I think he'll work out.

[deadhorse]

I think he'll work out.

I agree. We simply needed more help on the O-line and defense, so I think passing on Bush was best....regardless of how great he may become....defense is what wins SuperBowls!!

[DanteXavier]

at least we secured our spot on a future ESPN special like top ten biggest draft mistakes

How do you know that Bush wouldnt have been a bust?:|

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

How do you know that Bush wouldnt have been a bust?:|

haha naw we passed up on the next barry sanders...maybe better? no its weird we drafted for "need" but hey sorry a D end isnt what we "needed". sounds like a BS excuse for someone who wanted to be like look i drafted the next bruce smith or reggie white, i guess we'll find out. i mean if the guy went out and this season by some stroke of God surpassed the record for sacks...it would make absolutely no impact whatsoever on the outcome of the season, except sell more jerseys. if we drafted for "need" alone, then we shouldve gotten d'brickashaw or however you spell his name.

[Gargoyle]

I swear I hate T.O. and it breaks my heart that my beloved Cowboys picked him up. I mean I bleed Silver and Blue and I stuck with them through the 5-11 seasons like a true fan. I am usually willing to wipe the slate clean for a guy until I can see and hear them on a near daily basis through local media coverage rather than national. I was able to do it with KeyShawn Johnson without issue and ended up liking what I knew about him..... I am just not sure if I will completely enjoy any victories that dude plays a big part in. I am just not sure how much "changing" a 30+ athlete is capable of doing.

I will always root for my Cowboys being from and living in Dallas and loving NFL football above all other sports. I still don't have to like the decisions made by the front office. I can hardly believe it has been 10 years since we won the aptly named Super Bowl XXX.

[DanteXavier]

haha naw we passed up on the next barry sanders...maybe better? no its weird we drafted for "need" but hey sorry a D end isnt what we "needed". sounds like a BS excuse for someone who wanted to be like look i drafted the next bruce smith or reggie white, i guess we'll find out. i mean if the guy went out and this season by some stroke of God surpassed the record for sacks...it would make absolutely no impact whatsoever on the outcome of the season, except sell more jerseys. if we drafted for "need" alone, then we shouldve gotten d'brickashaw or however you spell his name.

Nah, you're completely off here, dude.

First, you dont know that reggie is the next Barry Sanders. Second, yes, that D Line needed plenty of help. Mario is an athletic freak of nature, julius peppers like. They needed a guy like him to come along and boost that D Line.

These guys are in a rebuilding mode. They already had a talented running back. They dont need 2. They need to strengthen the other parts of their team. Drafting Reggie would have just been fanservice, and nothing more.

And that last part of your post is just silly. If he goes out and surpasses the sack record, it will have no impact? Good grief man, wake up!
:bash:
Do you have any idea what a great D Line can do for a team? Look at the Bears if you dont believe me. Having a player that constantly puts pressure on QBs is and forces sacks and turnovers is a great thing to have. It helps you win games, and it's something that the Texans have never had. Thats why they got Mario.

[ronin2172]

Nah, you're completely off here, dude.

First, you dont know that reggie is the next Barry Sanders. Second, yes, that D Line needed plenty of help. Mario is an athletic freak of nature, julius peppers like. They needed a guy like him to come along and boost that D Line.

These guys are in a rebuilding mode. They already had a talented running back. They dont need 2. They need to strengthen the other parts of their team. Drafting Reggie would have just been fanservice, and nothing more.

And that last part of your post is just silly. If he goes out and surpasses the sack record, it will have no impact? Good grief man, wake up!
:bash:
Do you have any idea what a great D Line can do for a team? Look at the Bears if you dont believe me. Having a player that constantly puts pressure on QBs is and forces sacks and turnovers is a great thing to have. It helps you win games, and it's something that the Texans have never had. Thats why they got Mario.

actually he isn't... if you are not going to draft reggie bush or vince young than you go for what you really need.... a top class o lineman....mario williams aint gonna help david carr one whit...and if the texans can't score or move the ball....mario williams and his mates are gonna get worn out

you say bush may not pan out but heck mario williams may not pan out, no one knoew how he will be able to handle NFL caliber tackles ...there are no wake forests or dukes in the NFL.....


if willams does break a record it won't have an impact if the offense doesn't get any points all texans fans can say is hey we got a great de but we still suck.... mario williams can only play one position, reggie bush can contribute too many ways..as a rb, reciever, returner...you can create havoc with him....imagine the defense when the saints start with bush in the backfield then put him in motion and line him up as a reciever.....your gonna see the defense go bonkers calling audibles and shifting all over the place....then the saints hand off to their full back duece mcallister...see the potential there?

[Operation Ivy]

im sure Reggie Bush is going to be great just like David Carr behind that Texans O Line......

i wont believe all the Reggie Bush hype till i see him do just as well in the NFL, im still waiting on Vick to become a great QB...

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

actually he isn't... if you are not going to draft reggie bush or vince young than you go for what you really need.... a top class o lineman....mario williams aint gonna help david carr one whit...and if the texans can't score or move the ball....mario williams and his mates are gonna get worn out

you say bush may not pan out but heck mario williams may not pan out, no one knoew how he will be able to handle NFL caliber tackles ...there are no wake forests or dukes in the NFL.....


if willams does break a record it won't have an impact if the offense doesn't get any points all texans fans can say is hey we got a great de but we still suck.... mario williams can only play one position, reggie bush can contribute too many ways..as a rb, reciever, returner...you can create havoc with him....imagine the defense when the saints start with bush in the backfield then put him in motion and line him up as a reciever.....your gonna see the defense go bonkers calling audibles and shifting all over the place....then the saints hand off to their full back duece mcallister...see the potential there?

completely agree. the thing is you can mold and make a good DE...you can take a guy who is 6'7" and 280 and turn him into a decent to great DE. however you cannot MAKE or TRAIN a player into a reggie bush. the guy has a vision for the game, and most importantly timing. i watched the USC v. fresno state game and the guy was unbelievable. ive never seen a player do the kind of things this kid can do. i watched the guy run upfield stop...turn...run across the field...then stop on the sideline...turn and within less than 2 secs the guy was at full speed running up field. and a good DE will do nothing for our poor O

[ronin2172]

im sure Reggie Bush is going to be great just like David Carr behind that Texans O Line......

i wont believe all the Reggie Bush hype till i see him do just as well in the NFL, im still waiting on Vick to become a great QB...

well since reggie isn't in texas we'll never know.....lol.

Right now all rookies are hype, that's what makes it fun (and what helps to sell tickets and merchandise...ask the saints)

as for Vick why did you think he'd ever make a great QB? It isn't as if he led the nation in passing when he was in college or played in an offense that required him to be prototypical passer. Vick can be really good if he takes the time out to learn the position....kinda like randy moss...if he ever learns to run routes he will be unstoppable

[deadhorse]

I would say more that Reggie WILL be a good RB, but I still think the Texans did the best thing with M.Williams. Defense is so key to keeping a game within reach. For those of you who think that the Offense is the ticket, or major thing, look at the Superbowl Ravens....their Defense carried them the whole year, and how many points did they average, like 17??? You can still win a Superbowl with a good D and a weak O, but I don't think you can do it the other way around..

[ronin2172]

I would say more that Reggie WILL be a good RB, but I still think the Texans did the best thing with M.Williams. Defense is so key to keeping a game within reach. For those of you who think that the Offense is the ticket, or major thing, look at the Superbowl Ravens....their Defense carried them the whole year, and how many points did they average, like 17??? You can still win a Superbowl with a good D and a weak O, but I don't think you can do it the other way around..

you still have to score..... and the raven's offense wasn't as weak as you think, if it wasn't for jamal lewis the ravens wouldn't have won anything.....the ravens ran a ball control offense that ate up the clock, wore the opposing defense down, and forced the opposing offense to throw the ball more...allowing ray lewis and co to blitz to their hearts content....if the ravens offense didn't move the ball when they had to they wouldn't have won .....great defense or not

simply put the texans made a mistake....if you r not going to draft bush or young, or furgeson, then you trade the pick, getting more picks and veteran players in return move down in the draft and they probably still would have ended up with mario williams

[LaoSexMachine]

We can only know if the Texans made a mistake is when they take to the field. Right now is just speculating which is fun. Until then speculte on.

[Aerosoul]

Owners tab chief operating officer as NFL commish

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ORTHBROOK, Ill. -- Roger Goodell, who started his pro football career as a lowly intern in the National Football League's New York office, completed a 24-year climb up the National Football League ladder Tuesday when owners elected him to succeed Paul Tagliabue as commissioner.

The eighth chief executive in the 86-year history of the league beat out NFL attorney Gregg Levy, Cleveland attorney Frederick Nance, Fidelity Investments vice chairman Robert Reynolds and Constellation Energy chairman Mayo Shattuck III. It was never much of a contest, because a small group of lower-revenue owners could never muster nearly the 11 votes it would have taken to block Goodell's election.

In the end, the win came at about 5:25 p.m. CDT time in a hotel ballroom in the Chicago suburbs, and it was unanimous, though Oakland owner Al Davis said the meeting was occasionally contentious. Any owners who opposed Goodell knew it was fruitless to continue to work against him. Goodell's coronation came on the fifth ballot, by a vote of 32-0. Search committee co-chair Dan Rooney then went upstairs to Goodell's room in the Renaissance Hotel and told him the good news. When Goodell entered the ballroom, he hugged Tagliabue, and the owners stood as one to applaud their new leader. "A very emotional moment for me,''' Goodell said.

"It's an extraordinary feeling,'' Goodell said after a news conference here, walking down a hallway and palming an official NFL football, a ball that will soon bear his signature. "I'm thrilled by the challenge, and I'm excited for the opportunity. I thank the owners for their confidence in me.''

The 47-year-old Goodell, who has a five-year contract, said he and Tagliabue had not talked in detail about plans for succession, but he will probably take office sometime before the Sept. 7 start of the NFL season.
Goodell is the son of former New York Republican Sen. Charles Goodell, who was appointed in 1968 to serve out the term of the assassinated Sen. Robert Kennedy. He has business and economics degrees from Washington and Jefferson College in Pennsylvania and joined the NFL in 1982 as an intern. He rose through the ranks and was named the NFL's chief operating officer in 2001, handling disparate and complex business negotiations. "You can't draw up the job experience for this job better than Roger has experienced,'' said New York Giants president John Mara. "He paid his dues and was an ideal candidate from the beginning. There was no reason not to vote for him.''

"Roger has two great qualities that a commissioner needs," said Broncos President and CEO Pat Bowlen. "He's smart and honest."
"He's shown a passion for the NFL, which is important to me,'' said Davis. "We're excited that a man who has made the NFL his career will get this chance. Roger will do well.''

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[F-14D]

Hail to the Skins, in the NFC East can stop us, especially the cowboys.

[deadhorse]

you still have to score..... and the raven's offense wasn't as weak as you think, if it wasn't for jamal lewis the ravens wouldn't have won anything.....the ravens ran a ball control offense that ate up the clock, wore the opposing defense down, and forced the opposing offense to throw the ball more...allowing ray lewis and co to blitz to their hearts content....if the ravens offense didn't move the ball when they had to they wouldn't have won .....great defense or not

simply put the texans made a mistake....if you r not going to draft bush or young, or furgeson, then you trade the pick, getting more picks and veteran players in return move down in the draft and they probably still would have ended up with mario williams

All and all, IMHO, out of the Reggie vs. Mario debate, I stick with the defensive pick. On the OTHER hand, I agree with you..the best thing the Texans could have done was to trade down and stockpile picks.

[DanteXavier]

actually he isn't... if you are not going to draft reggie bush or vince young than you go for what you really need.... a top class o lineman....mario williams aint gonna help david carr one whit...and if the texans can't score or move the ball....mario williams and his mates are gonna get worn out

They got Winston Justice with their Next pick. Nobody was about to take an Ferguson with the first overall pick of the draft. Only Mario and Reggie graded out that high. It was generally agreed that it'd be one or the other.

As for moving the ball, I already told you: they had a 1000 yard rusher already.


you say bush may not pan out but heck mario williams may not pan out, no one knoew how he will be able to handle NFL caliber tackles ...there are no wake forests or dukes in the NFL.....

And somehow we know that Reggie can handle NFL caliber defenses? You sure that his running style will work in the NFL?
It very well might not. There are not San Jose States or Washinstons in the NFL.


if willams does break a record it won't have an impact if the offense doesn't get any points all texans fans can say is hey we got a great de but we still suck....

It works both ways. If Reggie runs for a ton of yardage and breaks records, that'd be great, but it wont matter if his defense cant do anything to stop the offense once it hits the field. Reggie and his mates will get worn out, and it wont have an impact.


mario williams can only play one position, reggie bush can contribute too many ways..as a rb, reciever, returner...you can create havoc with him....imagine the defense when the saints start with bush in the backfield then put him in motion and line him up as a reciever.....your gonna see the defense go bonkers calling audibles and shifting all over the place....then the saints hand off to their full back duece mcallister...see the potential there?

Mario can play more than one position. He can line up at DT, and given his athleticism(he runs a 4.6 40, which is LB speed), he probably could even play outside lb for a couple downs in a 3-4 system(dunno if the Texans still use that defense or not). Mario is like Julius Peppers. Very athletic, and can be moved around. Rememeber how they let Julius play a little tight end for the Panthers? Mario will probably be something like that.

Reggie can play receiver, but it's not known whether or not he'll return kicks. He may be too valuable for them to put him there, but we'll see.
As for the fullback thing, it isnt happening. Deuce is a 1000 yard rusher, and an elite running back. He isnt about to sit around as a fullback and let Reggie take the spotlight. If anything, he'll be alternated in and out, or they'll use more power running sets and shift Reggie around.
Either way, deuce is probably gone after this season.

[DanteXavier]

completely agree. the thing is you can mold and make a good DE...you can take a guy who is 6'7" and 280 and turn him into a decent to great DE. however you cannot MAKE or TRAIN a player into a reggie bush. the guy has a vision for the game, and most importantly timing. i watched the USC v. fresno state game and the guy was unbelievable. ive never seen a player do the kind of things this kid can do. i watched the guy run upfield stop...turn...run across the field...then stop on the sideline...turn and within less than 2 secs the guy was at full speed running up field. and a good DE will do nothing for our poor O

No, you cant. You cannot somehow make a 6-7, 290 pound athlete that runs faster than many linebackers(4.6 40) and piles up tons of sacks during his college career. You cant "mold" that type of thing. Athletes like that come once in a VERY long time.

You say you can take a guy who is 6-7 280 and mold him, but you're forgetting that those traits themselves are rare. Athletes like that just dont show up on a regular basis.
Basically, what I'm saying is this: Reggie's talents are unique and cannot be taught, but then neither can Mario's.

[Papelgod]

Both these guys (Bush and Williams) are athletic freaks, but Bush offers incredibly rare talents, there have been very few backs like him, there are more DE's like Williams (than there are RB's like Bush), just look at Kearse and Peppers right now, no other back in the league can match Reggie's skills and athleticism (that does not include experience)...

[DanteXavier]

Both these guys (Bush and Williams) are athletic freaks, but Bush offers incredibly rare talents, there have been very few backs like him, there are more DE's like Williams (than there are RB's like Bush), just look at Kearse and Peppers right now, no other back in the league can match Reggie's skills and athleticism (that does not include experience)...

Nah, i disagree. There is only one DE that is somewhat like Mario in terms of pure athleticism. That's Peppers. Kearse is a superb athlete, a freak in his own right, but he's not in the mold of Mario. Kearese is 3 inches shorter, and more of a "tweener", DE/LB type(he's smaller).

There are very few DE's like Mario, and there have always been few DEs like him. That said, there likely is at least one back who has skills comparable to Reggie Bush. Ladainian Tomlinson, maybe.
Either way, both are extremely rare talents. Reggie Bush's skills are in no way rarer than Mario's. That is fallacious logic.

[AFMedic]

no other back in the league can match Reggie's skills and athleticism

I know you said "league" as in the "NFL" but I just had to throw this in on another upcoming RB from San Diego who crushed Bush's incredible high school stats. (Bush's home town).

Demetrius Sumler (Sophmore, CU)
Cathedral Catholic running back Demetrius Sumler finished his career with the CIF San Diego Section career rushing record when the Dons lost in the Division III semifinals. He passed Justin Green, a rookie fullback with the Baltimore Ravens who is from University of San Diego High in the quarterfinals.

San Diego Career Rushing Record
Cathedral Catholic senior running back Demetrius Sumler finished his career with the CIF career rushing record at 5,650 yards. Sumler's passed the record of 5,397 set by Baltimore Ravens rookie fullback Justin Green at University of San Diego High.

Year Rushes, Yards, TDs

Freshman 73, 354, 1
Sophomore 165, 1114, 13
Junior 212, 1715, 22
Senior 308, 2467, 31
Career totals 777, 5650, 67

CIF-SDS Career Rushing Leaders (Top 10)

5,650 Demetrius Sumler, Cathedral Catholic (2005) and USDHS (2002-04)
5,397 Justin Green, USDHS (1997-99)
5,158 Markeith Ross, Rancho Buena Vista (1988-90)
5,039 Patrick Gates, Marian Catholic (2000-2003)
4,982 Rashaan Salaam, La Jolla Country Day (1989-91)
4,968 Johnnie Holmes, St. Augustine (1995-97)
4,965 Marlin Carey, Mt. Carmel (1991-93)
4,925 Reggie Bush, Helix (2000-02)
4,685 Ricky Williams, Patrick Henry (1992-94)
4,583 Gary Taylor, Morse (1989-91)

CIF Single Season Rushing Leaders

2,625 Gary Taylor, Morse, 1990
2,565 Scott Garcia, Rancho Buena Vista, 1988
2,501 E.J. Watson, La Jolla, 1991
2,467 Demetrius Sumler, Cathedral Catholic, 2005
2,452 Darrell Mack, Monte Vista, 2004
2,416 Steve Jensen, Bishop’s, 2000
2,385 Justin Green, USDHS, 1998
2,323 Dwayne Wright, Lincoln, 2000
2,292 Jason Van, Helix, 1999
2,257 Zay Shepherd, Brawley, 2004

http://www.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=37124
http://www.sdhoc.com/main/articles/highschools/Sumlercount

AFMedic

[Papelgod]

http://espn-att.starwave.com/photo/2006/0809/clarett_illustration_412.jpg

[Aerosoul]

that is one worthless stupid motherf***er.
i heard about all that today. he was wearing body armor. wtf?

[Anthony91]

that is one worthless stupid motherf***er.
i heard about all that today. he was wearing body armor. wtf?

He is a stupid mother f***er. I mean, who the hell would use that kind of stock on a AK-47? It's a retarded stock.

I'm joking by the way. And to be on topic....

Who thinks the Seahawks will be good still? I do.:)

[DanteXavier]

He's the biggest idot on the planet. Everything he's done is just so incredibly idiotic...

Really, I could outline all the stupid crap he's done but that would take up a couple pages.

[americanbychoice]

He's the biggest idot on the planet. Everything he's done is just so incredibly idiotic...

Really, I could outline all the stupid crap he's done but that would take up a couple pages.
Here's just this one incident...

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_ylt=AvMV54uoAx8nPB8MeyZ6_d8cvrYF?slug=ap-clarettarrested&prov=ap&type=lgns

It began when police noticed a sport utility vehicle driving erratically in the early morning hours Wednesday. A highway chase ensued, then ended when police spiked Clarett's tires, sending his vehicle limping into a restaurant parking lot.

Officers said they could not easily subdue him because the bulletproof vest he was wearing thwarted their stun guns. It took several police using pepper spray to get the 6-foot, 245-pounder into handcuffs.

He continued to struggle even as he was taken away, kicking at the doors of the transport vehicle.

...

But Clarett's latest run-in with the law took perhaps its most troubling turn hours later, when prosecutors asked a judge to keep him in jail and revoke his bond on an earlier robbery charge.

Their reasons: The fact he was carting all those guns around -- and only a few blocks from the home of a woman who was set to testify against him next week in an alleged robbery, Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien said.

...


Clarett, a high school friend of NBA star LeBron James, became a father when his girlfriend gave birth to a premature daughter last month.
There, but for the grace of God, eh?

Not just Lebron, but for anyone... especially for college football teams.

The Bomar situation in Oklahoma could be any number of Division 1 NCAA football teams. If you laugh at that Bomar kid & you support a big-time NCAA program, you have to laugh somewhat uneasily because that could just as easily be your guy instead of Boomer Sooner fan's guy.

And while I might want to rip on Ohio State for Maurice Clarett, I feel sorry for him. What a waste.

[Aerosoul]

what does lebron james have to do with any of this?

[americanbychoice]

what does lebron james have to do with any of this?
The last part of the article above...
"Clarett, a high school friend of NBA star LeBron James, became a father when his girlfriend gave birth to a premature daughter last month..."

Just that they are both young men, both had some degree of promise as athletes, and one ended up as the Chosen One while the other is reviled as the Devil Incarnate.

[Aerosoul]

It would seem to me that the author simply wanted to associate Lebron James in an article discussing such bad acts by Clarett.

[americanbychoice]

I just think it shows how mortal we are... one guy ended up being Lebron James, and the other guy ended up as Maurice Clarett.

Clarett was a star at THE Ohio State University (isn't that right, Miami fans?), and he could have been like Lebron James at his position... but instead, he gets busted for stupid crap.

And I think it shows how commoditized some lives are... Kobe Bryant comes to mind.

So while I don't agree with Maurice Clarett's choices in life, I can't help but have some sympathy for him... and sometimes can't help but be disgusted by the atmosphere of "professional" athletics.

I guess that's what I'm really trying to say. As much as he screwed up, he (in his washed-up star status) is not that far removed from some of the star athletes that we revere.

Like in hockey, how far is a Theo Fleury or Bob Probert or Grant Fuhr from a Dougie Gilmour or Steve Yzerman or whoever (I was going to say Marty Brodeur but that guy cheated on his wife with his wife's sister)? Or that Mike Danton guy... how different is he from Theo Fleury, and how different is Theo from any other guy on the 2002 Men's Ice Hockey team at Salt Lake City?

[DanteXavier]

I really feel absolutely no sympathy for that clown at all. I might've felt a tiny bit, earlier on when he first tried to come out and was denied. But now? No, this guy is just an idiot. People need to stop having sympathy for him and just move on.

[deadhorse]

No, you cant. You cannot somehow make a 6-7, 290 pound athlete that runs faster than many linebackers(4.6 40) and piles up tons of sacks during his college career. You cant "mold" that type of thing. Athletes like that come once in a VERY long time.

You say you can take a guy who is 6-7 280 and mold him, but you're forgetting that those traits themselves are rare. Athletes like that just dont show up on a regular basis.
Basically, what I'm saying is this: Reggie's talents are unique and cannot be taught, but then neither can Mario's.

Duuude, your age belies the fact that you have some incredible insight in to players and the NFL. woot I agree with everything you have said, and I await more!

p.s. Kearse was a "one season wonder"...he's been broke since his second year with the Titans(for all his hype, that is)!

[Papelgod]

Duuude, your age belies the fact that you have some incredible insight in to players and the NFL. woot I agree with everything you have said, and I await more!

p.s. Kearse was a "one season wonder"...he's been broke since his second year with the Titans(for all his hype, that is)!

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133332

I'd say he's more than a one season wonder, considering the level of attention he got/gets, and that he plays in the quarterbacks face rather than attacking from the blind side (thus less sacks since the QB can see him coming, but more broken up plays and possibly INT's)... The problem for him was the ankle injury in '02, that has really hurt him, but he is still a top-flight DE...

[deadhorse]

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133332

I'd say he's more than a one season wonder, considering the level of attention he got/gets, and that he plays in the quarterbacks face rather than attacking from the blind side (thus less sacks since the QB can see him coming, but more broken up plays and possibly INT's)... The problem for him was the ankle injury in '02, that has really hurt him, but he is still a top-flight DE...

Don't get me wrong, I think he is still a good DE, but since his injury and his days with the Titans, he has fell off and the "attention" he does get from the opposing teams is affecting his play quite a bit......the "freak" has quieted down, unlike his early days.

[Papelgod]

Don't get me wrong, I think he is still a good DE, but since his injury and his days with the Titans, he has fell off and the "attention" he does get from the opposing teams is affecting his play quite a bit......the "freak" has quieted down, unlike his early days.

I agree with you there, I thought you were saying he was a nobody by saying he was a one-season wonder...

I still miss him :-(

but KVB is a great replacement, how could you go wrong with a crazy dutchman?

[deadhorse]

I agree with you there, I thought you were saying he was a nobody by saying he was a one-season wonder...

I still miss him :-(

but KVB is a great replacement, how could you go wrong with a crazy dutchman?

no no, dude...I am not implying he is/always a scrub.....he still is a good player...just not like he used to be. and yeah, KVB is better<doh!>, I think! heh heh

[Papelgod]

no no, dude...I am not implying he is/always a scrub.....he still is a good player...just not like he used to be. and yeah, KVB is better<doh!>, I think! heh heh

KVB is a manimal, that sums him up in one word...

[americanbychoice]

Well this is a good story about NFL players...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-titans-fortcampbell&prov=ap&type=lgns


Fisher, air assault instructors give Titans surprise wake-up
By TERESA M. WALKER, AP Sports Writer
August 7, 2006

CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- Jeff Fisher had some help waking up his Tennessee Titans on Monday morning.

Instructors of the air assault school at Fort Campbell went through the dormitories at Austin Peay State University and herded the Titans onto buses for a short trip to their Army post on the Tennessee-Kentucky border.

...

"Most importantly, it's the people on the base," Fisher said. "They potentially house 29,000 people. As we speak, 20,000 are deployed. That's a lot of families sitting and waiting behind. We got to visit with the soldiers that are there and most importantly the families that are there."

...

The shock of the 4:30 a.m. CDT wake-up had some thinking it was a prank being pulled on the rookies, and Fisher said one player wandered out into the hall and back into his room where he fell asleep. But the Titans shared their coach's feelings.

"We got to sit with some guys that were going to be deployed here next week to Iraq, and you know they're kids going over there," left guard Zach Piller said. "It's a crazy situation ... We're just really blessed and fortunate we had people like that defending our freedom."

The threat of push-ups in the parking lot had players sprinting to load onto the buses.

Once at the post, they watched a demonstration before going through 70 minutes of basic training, then breakfast with the soldiers. The Titans broke off into groups with some signing autographs at the PX and others going to the range to shoot weapons.

"We had to drag them out of there," Fisher said. "All told, it was a great experience, really a great way to spend the morning."

...

[Aerosoul]

heh, that's cool. Titans. ;-)

[Papelgod]

That's awesome, they better not do that again though, cause LenDale might shoot someone p-)

seriously though, he needs to know his place:

http://www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=7&screen=news&news_id=51503

He has HOF talent but he can't be actin up... We could have a very good running game this year though with 3 pro-bowl caliber RB's (word is that Henry is workin like a dog to prove that he was worth the trade and obviously another contract)

That could open up things for Volek, since we have Givens to take attention off of Bennett, and this should be Troupe's breakout season...

The offense's hopes hinge on whether Roos (switching to LT) and Bell can hold up the corners of the line...

The defense should be improved as well with the additions of Hope and Thorton, and the continued development of Pac and Reynaldo... I think we should be around 7-9/ 8-8 this season, but that's just my opinion...

[LaoSexMachine]

I know it's preseason but Texans, baby!!! Yut Yut!.

[Aerosoul]

I went to the Titans/Saints game tonight. Not a bad game. I can't believe they (Titans) lost, though. They were up the whole time.

[LaoSexMachine]

It's preseason. I'm happy my boys won. Wish I was at their game.

[F-14D]

Unfortanetly, i missed the game, does anybody have a link to the vid where Saints quarterback Adrian McPherson got ran over by the Titans Mascot.

[Aerosoul]

I was at the game until the start of the 4th quarter, I must have missed that.

[WolverineBlue]

'Skins are on against the Bengals at 2000 EDT tonight.

[Miles.]

Clinton Portis down. Hell yeah. Let Roy dish out some Big 12 headhunting on Brandon Lloyd, Moss, and Randle El. I respect the Deadskins this year, but they look like punks out there, WB.

As far as Lendale White is concerned, send him to the Cowboys. I love to see that kind of **** from a running back. They take the worst of the game. Who runs out the clock for you? A 5'11", 210 lbs. kid who has 11 men ready to break his wrist or shoulder.

Greg Ellis looks as good as a 6'6" 10-year veteran converting from RE to LOLB can. Strange if you ask me. Cowboys had 2 FF and 2 FR in a 4-3 scheme. We may be able to use 3-4 and 4-3 anytime we want.

Great discussion going in this thread. If my contribution means anything, Houston made the right move. My personal opinion is Reggie Bush is overrated, and Houston needed a hell of a lot more help on the defensive side of the ball. And what was pointed out earlier, they have a 1,000 yard rusher already. You either need one, or two 600 yard backs who have different paces.

[ed316]

Lundy did awsome for the Texans. I hope this will carry to the regular season. Williams didn't do anything but hey, he's trust trying to find his groove and Carr was well protected.

[Hellfish]

Have the Bears played a preseason game yet?

[ed316]

They lost to the 49ers on Friday. 28-14.

[Hellfish]

Bummer. I was out of market for that game.

[F-14D]

Clinton Portis down. Hell yeah. Let Roy dish out some Big 12 headhunting on Brandon Lloyd, Moss, and Randle El. I respect the Deadskins this year, but they look like punks out there, WB.

As far as Lendale White is concerned, send him to the Cowboys. I love to see that kind of **** from a running back. They take the worst of the game. Who runs out the clock for you? A 5'11", 210 lbs. kid who has 11 men ready to break his wrist or shoulder.

Greg Ellis looks as good as a 6'6" 10-year veteran converting from RE to LOLB can. Strange if you ask me. Cowboys had 2 FF and 2 FR in a 4-3 scheme. We may be able to use 3-4 and 4-3 anytime we want.

Great discussion going in this thread. If my contribution means anything, Houston made the right move. My personal opinion is Reggie Bush is overrated, and Houston needed a hell of a lot more help on the defensive side of the ball. And what was pointed out earlier, they have a 1,000 yard rusher already. You either need one, or two 600 yard backs who have different paces.

Plz, i just cant wait until T.O and the Weakboys self destruct.

[Miles.]

Plz, i just cant wait until T.O and the Weakboys self destruct.

Did you see last night's game? I know it's just preseason but Cincinatti kicked the Redskins' ass.

Dallas held the NFC champs to a field goal, which is a lot more than the Redskins' secondary can say. Letting a reciever run all the way down the sideline in a Cover 2?? That sounds like...well...both Redskins/Cowboys games last year. ;)

Number 81 is as much of a decoy and headline grabber as he is an excellent reciever. No one has ever accused him of not coming to play, not wanting to win, doing all the things necessary to beat his man. He even blocks. All the same things were said about Keyshawn when he came to Dallas, but the difference is that we haven't seen Owens perform yet. 81 is perfect for Dallas, because that's the way Dallas has always been, the team and the city. Excellence, determination, and swagger. Michael Irvin was the same way, big-time **** talker, but he got it done and was arguably the best reciever of his day.

I can't frickin wait for the season to start. Can you tell?? ;)

By the way, has Vince Young played? How does he look?

[ronin2172]

Did you see last night's game? I know it's just preseason but Cincinatti kicked the Redskins' ass.

Dallas held the NFC champs to a field goal, which is a lot more than the Redskins' secondary can say. Letting a reciever run all the way down the sideline in a Cover 2?? That sounds like...well...both Redskins/Cowboys games last year. ;)

Number 81 is as much of a decoy and headline grabber as he is an excellent reciever. No one has ever accused him of not coming to play, not wanting to win, doing all the things necessary to beat his man. He even blocks. All the same things were said about Keyshawn when he came to Dallas, but the difference is that we haven't seen Owens perform yet. 81 is perfect for Dallas, because that's the way Dallas has always been, the team and the city. Excellence, determination, and swagger. Michael Irvin was the same way, big-time **** talker, but he got it done and was arguably the best reciever of his day.

I can't frickin wait for the season to start. Can you tell?? ;)

By the way, has Vince Young played? How does he look?

vince young looked like a rookie....as he should..it usually takes a QB aminimum of 3 years to become good in the NFL (provied his co-ordinator doesn't go anywhere).Reggie Bush on the other hand looks awesome mind u it was only one game but that 44 yard run shows what he can do

[mudbunny]

vince young looked like a rookie....as he should..it usually takes a QB aminimum of 3 years to become good in the NFL (provied his co-ordinator doesn't go anywhere).Reggie Bush on the other hand looks awesome mind u it was only one game but that 44 yard run shows what he can do

"vince young looked like a rookie....as he should..it usually takes a QB aminimum of 3 years to become good in the NFL "

Yeah, unless your name is Big Ben, Bay-Bee.

[americanbychoice]

Yeah, unless your name is Big Ben, Bay-Bee.
That guy is one motorcycle ride away from being Forrest Gump. Maybe he's one hard helmet blow from being a slack-jawed drooler after that accident.

Ben Roflcopter is a giant retard, especially since he should have known after the Kellen Winslow Jr crap.

[Miles.]

Ben R is the next Troy Aikman.

[mudbunny]

That guy is one motorcycle ride away from being Forrest Gump. Maybe he's one hard helmet blow from being a slack-jawed drooler after that accident.

Ben Roflcopter is a giant retard, especially since he should have known after the Kellen Winslow Jr crap.

Yeah, the accident was dumb as hell, despte the fact that the woman ran a red light and cut HIM off, but he's one hell of a QB, and he's in only his third year, unbelievable.

[mudbunny]

Ben R is the next Troy Aikman.

Actually, his skill sets are very similiar to Aikman's. People like to compare him to Marino but when thinking of past, great QB's, I've always thought of Troy Aikman first.

[WolverineBlue]

Actually, his skill sets are very similiar to Aikman's. People like to compare him to Marino but when thinking of past, great QB's, I've always thought of Troy Aikman first.

Troy Aikman was and is a mouth-breathing, low-IQ, pansy who got his career ended by Redskin Lavar Arrington. This was some sort of bizarre payback for when Lawrence Taylor broke Joe Theismann's leg. Just let me run with that.

[Hellfish]

Are you done with Farmgirl yet? Give her back to us!

[ronin2172]

"vince young looked like a rookie....as he should..it usually takes a QB aminimum of 3 years to become good in the NFL "

Yeah, unless your name is Big Ben, Bay-Bee.

well considering big ben isn't actually being asked to do anything outstanding...well yea.

the steelers offense is more about running, Ben is simply asked NOT to lose the game (a la trent dilfer when he was with the Ravens)

It's not as if he is in the west coats offense or running the type of o the colts run...

[Miles.]

Troy Aikman was and is a mouth-breathing, low-IQ, pansy who got his career ended by Redskin Lavar Arrington. This was some sort of bizarre payback for when Lawrence Taylor broke Joe Theismann's leg. Just let me run with that.

http://www.youtube.com/v/BynBZNiE9EA

WB, that is complete BS. Aikman is a true All-American football player. Pansy? The guy started as a rookie, always took the hits, was the most accurate passer in history, AND won 3 Super Bowls.

Yes, Mudbunny, Ben R is one of the best quarterbacks presently.

[mudbunny]

well considering big ben isn't actually being asked to do anything outstanding...well yea.

the steelers offense is more about running, Ben is simply asked NOT to lose the game (a la trent dilfer when he was with the Ravens)

It's not as if he is in the west coats offense or running the type of o the colts run...

"well considering big ben isn't actually being asked to do anything outstanding...well yea."
-*sarcasm*Other than playing QB in the National Football League, you're right, he's not asked to do anything outstanding, but you know what? He does! In 2 years as a starting QB, he has FOUR losses! FOUR!!!!! Oh, and one of those Superbowl thingy ma-jiggers.

"the steelers offense is more about running, Ben is simply asked NOT to lose the game (a la trent dilfer when he was with the Ravens)"
-Well I guess it all works out well then, because he has only lost four times in his short career.

"It's not as if he is in the west coats offense or running the type of o the colts run..."
-Do you know anything about Offenses? The West Coast Offense is a chicken-sh!t, dink 'n dunk, 3-step drop offense, that consists of lots of slant patterns by the recievers and RB's out of the backfield, in other words, high-percentage throws, so, in reality, the offense that the Steelers run is more down the field and demanding for a young QB. Oh, and I saw that great Colts offense that you mention, last year in the playoffs against the Steelers, and they didn't appear all that impressive to me.

[mudbunny]

Troy Aikman was and is a mouth-breathing, low-IQ, pansy who got his career ended by Redskin Lavar Arrington. This was some sort of bizarre payback for when Lawrence Taylor broke Joe Theismann's leg. Just let me run with that.

Hey, I'm a Steelers fan, so don't defend any past or present Cowboy players to me, because I hate them all equally; I thought Aikman was a pretty boy, but he was a very efficient and accurate Quarterback. The point I was simply trying to make was, the guy, who's style of play most reminded me of Ben Roth. was Troy Aikman. Even thinking about the Theismann injury makes my leg hurt.

[LaoSexMachine]

I have to admit Aikman is an All-Star. If they weren't so afraid of him going retarded the sky was the limit.

[mudbunny]

I couldn't stand him (Aikman), but he's deff. a Hall of Famer IMHO.

[CG51]

Well, we have three NFL teams here in Florida p-)

I like the Jags, but they disappoint me every year. I like the Jags and Bucs about the same. I hope they both make it to the playoffs this year.

[ronin2172]

"well considering big ben isn't actually being asked to do anything outstanding...well yea."
-*sarcasm*Other than playing QB in the National Football League, you're right, he's not asked to do anything outstanding, but you know what? He does! In 2 years as a starting QB, he has FOUR losses! FOUR!!!!! Oh, and one of those Superbowl thingy ma-jiggers.

"the steelers offense is more about running, Ben is simply asked NOT to lose the game (a la trent dilfer when he was with the Ravens)"
-Well I guess it all works out well then, because he has only lost four times in his short career.

"It's not as if he is in the west coats offense or running the type of o the colts run..."
-Do you know anything about Offenses? The West Coast Offense is a chicken-sh!t, dink 'n dunk, 3-step drop offense, that consists of lots of slant patterns by the recievers and RB's out of the backfield, in other words, high-percentage throws, so, in reality, the offense that the Steelers run is more down the field and demanding for a young QB. Oh, and I saw that great Colts offense that you mention, last year in the playoffs against the Steelers, and they didn't appear all that impressive to me.
My aren't you emotional...yea i know a little bit and i wasn't saying they were great if you actually read I was talking about complexity....which the steelers o isn't. The colts run the most complex offense in the NFL that's a fact. Again nowhere did i say anything about effectiveness.

The west coast and it's variations may make a lot of high percentage throws but the key is timing...the QB has to throw to a certain spot by a certain time or it won't work. That asks a lot of a QB and his recievers especially a young one that came from a less demanding system in college..

The steelers offense is not that challenging... all they want is Ben not to lose the game, that's the reason why they run a ball control offense. His stats back that up.....168 completions 268 attempts, 2385 yrds passing and 17 touchdowns 9 ints.....that is the least attempts for a non- rookie QB who started the entire season for his team.

lets look at Eli Manning who is in an offense that asks more of him and see his stats.... 294 completions 557 attempts 3762yds passing 24 tds 17 ints...hmm the steelers run a challenging offense for a young QB indeed....In fact of all starting QBs who played at least 15 games only Kyle Orton had less attempts and yards....and he is a rookie in a what? A Run oriented offense....


Does this make Ben sorry no but it doesn't mean he is great either...

Trent Dilfer won a super bowl too y'know..... ;-)

[mudbunny]

My aren't you emotional...yea i know a little bit and i wasn't saying they were great if you actually read I was talking about complexity....which the steelers o isn't. The colts run the most complex offense in the NFL that's a fact. Again nowhere did i say anything about effectiveness.

The west coast and it's variations may make a lot of high percentage throws but the key is timing...the QB has to throw to a certain spot by a certain time or it won't work. That asks a lot of a QB and his recievers especially a young one that came from a less demanding system in college..

The steelers offense is not that challenging... all they want is Ben not to lose the game, that's the reason why they run a ball control offense. His stats back that up.....168 completions 268 attempts, 2385 yrds passing and 17 touchdowns 9 ints.....that is the least attempts for a non- rookie QB who started the entire season for his team.

lets look at Eli Manning who is in an offense that asks more of him and see his stats.... 294 completions 557 attempts 3762yds passing 24 tds 17 ints...hmm the steelers run a challenging offense for a young QB indeed....In fact of all starting QBs who played at least 15 games only Kyle Orton had less attempts and yards....and he is a rookie in a what? A Run oriented offense....


Does this make Ben sorry no but it doesn't mean he is great either...

Trent Dilfer won a super bowl too y'know..... ;-)

"The colts run the most complex offense in the NFL that's a fact. Again nowhere did i say anything about effectiveness."
-Well that's just fabulous, and when the fantasy football dorks get together and rub themselves silly to the stats that the Colts offense put up they'll have only the memory of playoff thrashings to the Steelers and Patriots to keep them warm. I'll give you complexity all damn day, but I'd rather have that WIN.

"The west coast and it's variations may make a lot of high percentage throws but the key is timing...the QB has to throw to a certain spot by a certain time or it won't work."
-So,,,,,,,what? It also allows a QB, who would be inadequate in running more vertical Offenses, to get the job done in the dink 'n dunk offense ala. Jeff Garcia or Steve Young.

"lets look at Eli Manning who is in an offense that asks more of him and see his stats.... 294 completions 557 attempts 3762yds passing 24 tds 17 ints..."
-Is this the same doofis who got humiliated in front of a national audience while he and his team took a total dump and got their rear ends handed to them by the Carolina Panthers? Again, your argument is void when you use examples like Eli Manning. or his great brother who has done nothing when it counts......With his wonderfully complex offense, that is.

Making comments like these, I'm gonna assume that you didn't catch any of the Steelers playoff games last year (Bengals,Colts,Broncos,Seahawks) because those games were spearheaded by the passing game FIRST, not the running game with the Steelers coaching staff knowing that those teams were playing run first and pass second, so Big Ben took his team on his shoulders and guided them thru the playoffs and a Superbowl win. So, your company line of "he merely manages the game" is now null and void. I'd be happy to send you any of these games for you to review.

[ronin2172]

Well considering Eli is only in his second year starting in a more complex system which requires him to throw more thereby increasing risk you are proving my point...and again i didn't say eli was better i was using his stats as a comparison as they are both 2nd year QB's in different offenses.



Vertical offenses don't require the smartest QBs only ones with a strong arm. It doesn't take much brain power to throw to a reciever running a deep pattern but it does require a good arm. Hence why Vick is struggling to grasp Atlanta's variation on the west coast offense. You are required to read the defensive coverage, know which spot to throw to, and then have the confidence in your reciever to be there.

Again I don't really care if he spearheaded the O in the playoffs,yea i saw the games ...again he is good no doubt but not anything spectacular yet...averaging 200 yds passing in 4 games is not that impressive and it aint as if he did anything Elwayesque or even Bradyesque, ...and it doesn't change the fact that the Steelers don't ask him to take risks or ask him to do anything complex. You can put a bunch of different QB's in his spot and the results would probably be the same. Again this doesn't make him bad but it doesn't make him great either,....

[Operation Ivy]

the steelers superbowl was a joke, steelers won off the refs calls, but ill give them credit for there win in Indy, against Cinnci they got lucky palmar got knocked out, and i always expect the Broncos to lose in the playoffs.

just thought id throw that in there :)

[mudbunny]

the steelers superbowl was a joke, steelers won off the refs calls, but ill give them credit for there win in Indy, against Cinnci they got lucky palmar got knocked out, and i always expect the Broncos to lose in the playoffs.

just thought id throw that in there :)

That's a very well thought out post. Consider yourself a dumba$$.

[Aerosoul]

I went to the Titans-Saints game, figured I would post some pictures for the hell of it.

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_a.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_b.jpg

Vince Young throwing at the bottom.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_c.jpg

http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_d.jpg

This bird s*** on someone in the lower section.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_e.jpg

During halftime, there were these little kids playing. Two teams on either end of the field. At one point, a kid from the team in white jerseys below intercepted a pass. Instead of running just the ten yards for the touchdown, he ran it ninety yards all the way down to the other endzone. Half the crowd was on its feet and everyone was laughing and cheering. It was pretty funny.
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/aerompnet/photo_f.jpg

[Operation Ivy]

That's a very well thought out post. Consider yourself a dumba$$.

nah the steelers just hit a good streak at the end of the year, but its all good the Ravens will retake the divison this year

[mudbunny]

nah the steelers just hit a good streak at the end of the year, but its all good the Ravens will retake the divison this year

I knew there was a hidden motive in there somewhere. Let the games begin.

[Miles.]

Aerosoul,

Cool pictures! Here's my picture when I was in Nashville:

http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/978/1000461ys6.jpg

Mudbunny, at least we can agree, as fellow fans of the "great" teams, that Pittsburgh fully kicked ass in the Playoffs, and won the Super Bowl fair and sqaure. I have a lot of respect for them, and hope Dallas doesn't have to face them in the Super Bowl.

[Papelgod]

cool pics Aero, i gotta get down there sometime...

[varusmies]

I think it is raiders this time?

[Bob Lawbla]

Broncos looked great against the Titans.

Cutler seems to be the best QB in the draft so far.

BRONCOS FTW!!!

[Miles.]

Wonder who changed your title, Bob... *cough* Farmgirl? *cough*

Tonight, Dallas Cowboys vs. New Orleans Saints, 8E/7C.

No Eldorado Owens, and the Statue will start at QB.

[Aerosoul]

Titans better shape up and have a good year or they will find themselves with a new coach/staff next year. This is Fisher's last year on his current contract. I would hate to see him go. I think he's a good coach, and I know he's a good guy. These players have to work.

[deadhorse]

Wonder who changed your title, Bob... *cough* Farmgirl? *cough*

Tonight, Dallas Cowboys vs. New Orleans Saints, 8E/7C.

No Eldorado Owens, and the Statue will start at QB.

lmao...I'm from South Texas and I HATE the cowboys!!

p.s. who gives a sh*t how well a QB's "skills" are(i.e. Big Ben) as long as he wins games!! David Carr = the next P. Manning! p-)

[Miles.]

Drew "the Statue" played well. Cowboys defense held the NO offense to 3 possessions, about 5 minutes total in the 1st half. rofl rofl

Terry Gleen made one of the most amazing touchdown catches I've ever seen in football. The only one that comes close was Marquise Henry, a kid I played with in Pop Warner.

Oh, I almost forgot. Reggie Bush looks like the same overrated tool that he was at USC. :lol:

[Bob Lawbla]

Wonder who changed your title, Bob... *cough* Farmgirl? *cough*



A gentleman never tells.......

[Miles.]

Owned.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6919/game50821061024rl6.jpg

That's a touchdown!!!

[TuNeRsHaRk]

green bay murdered atlanta 36-10 w00t


http://images.packers.com/pg/2006-08-19/photo31.jpg

[Gargoyle]

I saw some promising things in the Cowboy game. I never look at ANY pre-season game result as an indicator though. I like to see how individual players look in the mechanics of the game. Terry Glenn has been nothing but money for the Cowboys since getting here. I like to compare him to Rusty Greer of the Rangers. They are both smallish guys that will absolutely sell their body out to make a play. In both cases however it caused some missed time but still you have to respect the guys gamesmanship (sp?). I am still not happy about the Owens signing though; I am really preparing myself to not enjoy the wins as much as I should if he has anything to do with them. I am in such a torn place... I love my hometown team so I know they are better because of him but god I hate him. Pre-Season is such a crap time of year though..... I mean it does get me excited about the regular season but the last pre-season game is the only one I will take anything away from. I am also tired of this QB crap we have in Dallas... sounds like ESPN is trying to fill their 30 minute program that they can re-run 1200 times a day...... I say let the season start and the chips fall where they may.... w00t!

[Miles.]

NFL Flexible Scheduling 101

*Begins Sunday, November 12, 2006 (Week 10)

*In effect Weeks 10-15 and Week 17. (Not in effect Week 16 due to holiday weekend)

*Only Sunday afternoon games in Weeks 10-15 and 17 are subject to being moved into the Sunday night window. No impact on Thursday, Saturday or Monday night games.

*The majority of games on Sundays will be listed at 1:00 p.m. ET during flex weeks except for games played in Pacific or Mountain Time zones which will be listed at 4:05 or 4:15 p.m. ET.

*The NFL will decide (after consultation with CBS, FOX, NBC) and announce on 12 days notice the game being moved to 8:15 p.m. ET and may also announce games moving to 4:15 p.m. ET.

*Week 17 start time changes could be decided on 6 days notice to ensure a game with playoff implications.

*The NBC Sunday night time slot in "flex" weeks will list teams as "TBD." Fans and ticket holders must be aware that NFL games in flex weeks are subject to change 12 days in advance (6 days in Week 17) and should plan accordingly.

*NFL schedules all games. CBS and FOX each get to protect a total of 5 games in the 7 weeks of flexible scheduling, but not more than one game in any week.

*Teams will be informed as soon as they are no longer under consideration or eligible for a move to Sunday night.

[americanbychoice]

Anyone do Fantasy Football (aka Nerd shiat)?

sounds like ESPN is trying to fill their 30 minute program that they can re-run 1200 times a day...... I say let the season start and the chips fall where they may.... w00t!
ESPN is full of crap. They are still trying to milk this Yankees-Dead Sox thing for all it's not worth, but everyone knows it is OVER, and the Wild Card will be coming out of the AL Central (aka the toughest division in Beisbol right now).

[Miles.]

OK, who else is extremely dissappointed in ESPN's Monday Night Football. Joe Theisman is a complete douche bag, a terrible choice.

Then, the two ****ing no-name, never-did-anything chumps beside Joe BrokenThighsman. It's obvious they don't know football from their ****s...a couple of gossip queens who are obvious homers for the Eagles.

They never mention who made the tackle, the only time they stop talking is when the official is calling a penalty. They only show plays that go for more than 10 yards. It's just pathetic, bad for the game of football, and bad for the kids who play and want to learn more about football.

[Aerosoul]

I heard about ESPN changing things up there...doesn't sound like a popular idea.

[Miles.]

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4240/game2082606800ms1.jpg

Couldn't find the Terry Glenn touchdown catch, so I'll post Marion Barber.

He ran 9 times for 49 yards and 1 TD, and took a screen pass for 34.

[steelfury]

Joe Theisman , his real name is theesman..change it to Theisman because it rimes with Heisman..arrogant prick! Plus he left his first wife after they had a kid with Cerebal palsy and didnt take care of him until she went to the tabloids.

Anyone ever seen the Movie "the Replacements" with Kenaue Reeves, Read the book, the Ass hole quarterback(the Villian of the movie) is Joe!

[ronin2172]

OK, who else is extremely dissappointed in ESPN's Monday Night Football. Joe Theisman is a complete douche bag, a terrible choice.

Then, the two ****ing no-name, never-did-anything chumps beside Joe BrokenThighsman. It's obvious they don't know football from their ****s...a couple of gossip queens who are obvious homers for the Eagles.

They never mention who made the tackle, the only time they stop talking is when the official is calling a penalty. They only show plays that go for more than 10 yards. It's just pathetic, bad for the game of football, and bad for the kids who play and want to learn more about football.

I wasn't dissapointed....Anyone who has watched Sunday Night Football for oh the last 10+ years is used to Thiesman...Tony kornheiser is cool and he has the everyman approach to the game ..yea he and Mike Torico(sp) is not a ex player or coach but so what? Was Howard Cosell? **** Enberg? Keith Jackson? Al Michaels? Hary Carrey? Jack Buck? Playing football may give you insight into the game but it doesn't make you a good broadcaster.

As for them not mentioning who made the tackle what game where you watching? I saw plenty of times where they mentioned who made the tackle (in fact they gave the tackler credit on every play)AND they gave their background and the situation they were in on making the team. Thiesman gave plenty of insight into the game as he has done before. In fact he will not shy away from pointing out when a back or WR makes a great block, and he's always gives good insight into the QB position.

They may not be the best but they are sure not the worst....

[HR24]

All I've got to say is Carson Palmer looked great for somebody that had a shredded knee just 7 months ago. It's only preseason, but he looked sharp and ready to play tonight against the Packers.

[szr]

Man, I hope Favre has a better season than last--for his own sake. Watching that GB icon getting picked-off so frequently and struggling is hard to watch.

[Miles.]

Man, I hope Favre has a better season than last--for his own sake. Watching that GB icon getting picked-off so frequently and struggling is hard to watch.

^^Real football fan.

Yeah, I sure wish Farve could get back on track. It's sad to see such a good QB play so bad. His recievers didn't help much.

[Miles.]

Here's the Terry Glenn TD against New Orleans. This is just nasty.

http://www.youtube.com/v/7JbohRArvxA

Post-corner route, in man-safety bracket for a TD.

http://www.youtube.com/v/SsXkNOupVfM

Same post-corner route, same man-safety bracket (double coverage)

http://www.youtube.com/v/wJ71GALxBVg

[Hellfish]

I like how his legs spazz out with glee when he lands.

[Hellfish]

^^Real football fan.

Yeah, I sure wish Farve could get back on track. It's sad to see such a good QB play so bad. His recievers didn't help much.

As a lifelong Bears fan I hope Farve - and the rest of his rabble - fail miserably.

[Miles.]

As a lifelong Bears fan I hope Farve - and the rest of his rabble - fail miserably.

As a rabid Cowboys fan, I hope every team's starting QB gets their season ended. I have always liked Brett Farve, just because he's a classic, prototypical, ballsy QB. But yeah, down with Green Bay.

[Papelgod]

Anyone do Fantasy Football (aka Nerd shiat)?


I play in 2 big pay league's, the money makes it a ton of fun and much more competetive.

[ed316]

Texan's offense was horrible against the Broncos. Thank god the the defense. Hope they will do better next time.

[Bob Lawbla]

Texan's offense was horrible against the Broncos.


The Bronco's O didn't do much better. It's almost as if Kubiak new what the Bronco's were doing. Kinda like he used to coach them or something.

Anyhoo...both defenses looked great and a strong D will get you to the playoffs. We are still trying to find out who the starting RB will be. Thurs should be great Cutler against Leinart.

[szr]

Patriots @ Giants last night..

Brandon Jacobs: I really like what I saw from him last night. Last year he was the short yardage guy and had mixed success with that. Last night he showed that he can be an all around RB. He can plow straight through defenders which Barber can't, he was running better than someone his size should be able to, and picked up the blitz. 130 yards rushing and 2 TDs. He's setting himself up to be a legit no.2 RB that can take a lot of workload off Barber, and make big plays too.

Mathias Kiwanuka: He's the grandson of Benedicto Kiwanuka who was elected as the first Prime Minister of Uganda 1961 but was assassinated by Idi Amin in 1972.
-Kiwanuka Looks like a smart draft pick. He too looks like he can be a playmaker, on a defensive line that already boasts Michael Strahan on the left side and Osi Umenyiora on the right. He made good tackles, 1 sack, and intercepted a pass he tipped.

Jared Lorenzen, in my opinion, should take the no.2 QB spot behind E. Manning..at least until he proves he can't handle it, then it will go to Hasselbeck. But I think Lorenzen has potential as a no-fear QB. He's a big guy and can take a hit, and even, as he showed last night, communicate that mass back onto the D in a pinch. I know it's not something you want any QB doing, but it shows he's not the kind of guy that's going to crumble like a flower when hit. And if you have no fear of being hit, that state of mind extends to your composure behind the snap when the ball is in your hands.

Discovering new talent on your own team is what pre-season football is all about.

[ed316]

Texans did a good job controling possesion. Defense was also good.

[Miles.]

Giants look real good. Brandon Jacobs is a very good RB, and huge, like you said, szr.

Anybody hear about the Cowboys game? Vanderjagt missed two field goals in overtime. At least we didn't lose!

[ronin2172]

Patriots @ Giants last night..

Brandon Jacobs: I really like what I saw from him last night. Last year he was the short yardage guy and had mixed success with that. Last night he showed that he can be an all around RB. He can plow straight through defenders which Barber can't, he was running better than someone his size should be able to, and picked up the blitz. 130 yards rushing and 2 TDs. He's setting himself up to be a legit no.2 RB that can take a lot of workload off Barber, and make big plays too.

Mathias Kiwanuka: He's the grandson of Benedicto Kiwanuka who was elected as the first Prime Minister of Uganda 1961 but was assassinated by Idi Amin in 1972.
-Kiwanuka Looks like a smart draft pick. He too looks like he can be a playmaker, on a defensive line that already boasts Michael Strahan on the left side and Osi Umenyiora on the right. He made good tackles, 1 sack, and intercepted a pass he tipped.

Jared Lorenzen, in my opinion, should take the no.2 QB spot behind E. Manning..at least until he proves he can't handle it, then it will go to Hasselbeck. But I think Lorenzen has potential as a no-fear QB. He's a big guy and can take a hit, and even, as he showed last night, communicate that mass back onto the D in a pinch. I know it's not something you want any QB doing, but it shows he's not the kind of guy that's going to crumble like a flower when hit. And if you have no fear of being hit, that state of mind extends to your composure behind the snap when the ball is in your hands.

Discovering new talent on your own team is what pre-season football is all about.

Give Tiki some more props...I have seen him plow through a defender or two he has more power than you might suspect. Hold off on the praise for Jacobs until he does it in the regular season.....he has made strides but we won't know he is the heir to the throne till he does it for real...mean while the Giants should keep tabs on Kenny Irons from Auburn he would fit in nicely...Tiki has hinted he is gonna retire in a year or two

[szr]

Give Tiki some more props...I have seen him plow through a defender or two he has more power than you might suspect. Hold off on the praise for Jacobs until he does it in the regular season.....he has made strides but we won't know he is the heir to the throne till he does it for real...mean while the Giants should keep tabs on Kenny Irons from Auburn he would fit in nicely...Tiki has hinted he is gonna retire in a year or twoHey, #21 gets all my props and massive respect. No doubt he's one of the elite RBs in the game right now, but last year, when we needed rushng yards, there was Barber's big runs or there was maybe 1 or 2 yds of short yardage from Jacobs. Last year, vs. the Chiefs, Tiki was the O. If we want to be successful this season and hopefully in the playoffs, we're going to need Barber healthy and that means not over working him in the regular season and possibly needlessly exposing him to injuries. With Jacobs, I think, we've got a good 2nd string RB who can step in for Barber at times, and even make plays instead of just doing short yardage.

[Hunterhr]

It'll be interesting to see if the Patriots can re-establish the running game this season. A Maroney/Dillon tag team at running back sounds fairly promising. Although with Givens gone, and Branch up in the air (but probably gone) who knows what will happen.

And Carson Palmer looks like he's ready to kick some ass.

[Hot Lips]

I started a Fantasy Football League for us. If there are enough teams set up before Tuesday I can have scoring start for Week 1.... right now I have score set to start for Week 2 since we're getting a late start and it's a holiday weekend in the USA.

Right now I have it set for 14 teams. I could bump up to 20.



League Name: MPnet Fantasy Leagues
League ID: 664999
Password: wegotgame
Venue:Yahoo! Sports (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/) (It's a Free league)

Right now I have it set at 14 teams. I could bump it up to 20.

[scm77]

Not NFL, I know but I'm posting it here rather than starting a new thread.

Argo's Allen is Football's Top Passer

Toronto Argonauts quarterback Damon Allen became pro football's most prolific passer on Monday.


Allen, 43, surpassed Warren Moon's record of 70,553 career passing yards in the third quarter of Toronto's Labour Day contest versus the hometown Hamilton Tiger-Cats at Ivor Wynne Stadium.


Fittingly, the milestone yardage came on a touchdown.
Allen shovelled a pass to receiver Arland Bruce III, who scampered 29 yards into the end zone for the game's first touchdown and a 12-3 lead at 5:02 of the third.


Allen was immediately mobbed by his teammates and the game halted for a brief ceremony hosted by CFL commissioner Tom Wright, who presented the 22-year pro with the ball.


"All I know is that it was a pleasure to coach Damon at age 18-19, when he was just a kid," said Steve Mariucci, Allen's high school coach.
Allen needed 164 yards to eclipse the mark set by Moon, a Hall of Famer who starred in both the CFL and the NFL.


Allen completed 11 of 16 pass attempts for 124 yards in the first half as the Argonauts led 5-3 at intermission.


The reigning CFL MVP has played for the Eskimos, Ottawa Rough Riders, Hamilton Tiger-Cats, Memphis Mad Dogs, British Columbia Lions and Argonauts.


More importantly, he has won four of five Grey Cups he has played in.
Earlier on Monday, the Calgary Stampeders crushed the Edmonton Eskimos 44-23 at McMahon Stadium.
With files from the Canadian Press

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/2366/damon72186cr9.jpg

http://www.cbc.ca/story/sports/national/2006/09/04/cfl-argonauts-tigercats.html
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Incase you were wondering, yes he is the brother of Marcus Allen. Final score was 40-6 for Toronto. woot

[szr]

Patriots @ Giants last night..

Brandon Jacobs: I really like what I saw from him last night. Last year he was the short yardage guy and had mixed success with that. Last night he showed that he can be an all around RB. He can plow straight through defenders which Barber can't, he was running better than someone his size should be able to, and picked up the blitz. 130 yards rushing and 2 TDs. He's setting himself up to be a legit no.2 RB that can take a lot of workload off Barber, and make big plays too.

Mathias Kiwanuka: He's the grandson of Benedicto Kiwanuka who was elected as the first Prime Minister of Uganda 1961 but was assassinated by Idi Amin in 1972.
-Kiwanuka Looks like a smart draft pick. He too looks like he can be a playmaker, on a defensive line that already boasts Michael Strahan on the left side and Osi Umenyiora on the right. He made good tackles, 1 sack, and intercepted a pass he tipped.

Jared Lorenzen, in my opinion, should take the no.2 QB spot behind E. Manning..at least until he proves he can't handle it, then it will go to Hasselbeck. But I think Lorenzen has potential as a no-fear QB. He's a big guy and can take a hit, and even, as he showed last night, communicate that mass back onto the D in a pinch. I know it's not something you want any QB doing, but it shows he's not the kind of guy that's going to crumble like a flower when hit. And if you have no fear of being hit, that state of mind extends to your composure behind the snap when the ball is in your hands.

Discovering new talent on your own team is what pre-season football is all about.
I can't edit the original post?

This would have been the edit:

Giants vs Patriots Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/v/YZMVGzE2rhY&NR

Edit:
And since it takes me 10 mins to figure out how to embed a video everytime I want to post one, I might as well post some moto **** from last season up here before my embedding skills have perished.. Please excuse some of the music. hah

New York Giants '05 Defensive Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/v/VzpKaZC0mBI

New York Giants '05 Offensive Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/v/GWPBLVOGMTw

Another Defensive highlight vid
http://www.youtube.com/v/s2ORWbvPDWo
Sunday can't come too soon!

[weissent]

Why the hell did you kill off the "Remember Irvine Thread" by the way?
Just asking. I wanted to write a couple of words for him.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

hope miami wins tonight

:D

[Miles.]

First blown call of the season...

THAT WAS MOTHER****ING ****ING INTERCEPTION.

[Hellfish]

Jesus. I should have picked Philly as my fantasy defense.

[americanbychoice]

At least I put Hines Ward back in... but I wish I sat Daunte & put Ron Mexico into my lineup instead.

/I really don't like the Stilllers either...

//holy crap, Hellfish... you're 30 points in the hole right now

[Hellfish]

//holy crap, Hellfish... you're 30 points in the hole right now

I'm ****ed. :(

[americanbychoice]

I'm ****ed. :(
Pretty much... but stranger things have happened.

You have to hope Brett Fahrhrvruh (woot) has an off day against your Bears (a shutout or low-scoring game would help you)... and Hobo's WR slot in the Stillers-Fish game only generated 2 points, so your guy (Randy Moss) has to pick up a lot more than that... and then every one of your position players has to do better than his guys on Sunday.

So, you're probably headed for the loss column.

[Hellfish]

Pretty much... but stranger things have happened.

You have to hope Brett Fahrhrvruh (woot) has an off day against your Bears (a shutout or low-scoring game would help you)... and Hobo's WR slot in the Stillers-Fish game only generated 2 points, so your guy (Randy Moss) has to pick up a lot more than that... and then every one of your position players has to do better than his guys on Sunday.

So, you're probably headed for the loss column.

I hate you and your honest assessments.

[americanbychoice]

I hate you and your honest assessments.
Yep... you're definitely in the biggest hole going into opening weekend.
Wouldn't want you to get your hopes up too much!

/weeks 5 & 14, I am kicking your ass, by the way...p-)

[Hellfish]

This fantasy thing is turning into a nightmare.

[americanbychoice]

This fantasy thing is turning into a nightmare.In some ways, it's like betting on football... without losing the money (just losing some pride on some days, and rubbing it in someone else's face on the other days).

[WolverineBlue]

What do you call a drug ring in Dallas?
















A huddle BEYOTCH

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

uuuuummmmmmm just won $1000 on the steelers/dolphins game!!!!!!!!!!

[Operation Ivy]

dolphins blew it argh..

[mudbunny]

It's a good day to be a Steelers fan.
mwahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[szr]

Week 1

Steelers 28, Dolphins 17 FINAL
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIA.gif (http://www.miamidolphins.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PIT.gif (http://www.steelers.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ATL.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CAR.gif (http://www.panthers.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BAL.gif (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TB.gif (http://www.buccaneers.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BUF.gif (http://www.buffalobills.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NE.gif (http://www.patriots.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CIN.gif (http://www.bengals.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/KC.gif (http://www.kcchiefs.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DEN.gif (http://www.denverbroncos.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/STL.gif (http://www.stlouisrams.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NO.gif (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CLE.gif (http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYJ.gif (http://www.newyorkjets.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TEN.gif (http://www.titansonline.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PHI.gif (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/HOU.gif (http://www.houstontexans.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SEA.gif (http://www.seahawks.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DET.gif (http://www.detroitlions.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CHI.gif (http://www.chicagobears.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/GB.gif (http://www.packers.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DAL.gif (http://www.dallascowboys.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/JAC.gif (http://www.jaguars.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SF.gif (http://www.sf49ers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ARI.gif (http://www.azcardinals.com/)

8:15 pm ET, Sun. on NBC
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/IND.gif (http://www.colts.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYG.gif (http://www.giants.com/) Manning Bowl 2006

7:00 pm ET, Mon. on ESPN
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIN.gif (http://www.vikings.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/WAS.gif (http://www.redskins.com/)

10:15 pm ET, Mon. on ESPN
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SD.gif (http://www.chargers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/OAK.gif (http://www.raiders.com/)

[Operation Ivy]

ravens looked awesome

[Hellfish]

I wish I could watch the Chicago game. I'm stuck with Dallas vs. Jacksonville. Ugh.

[szr]

Even after killing ourselves 3 times over with something like 60yrds in penalties, we still could have won that game..until the ref killed us for the final time on that **** momentum-killing pass interference call on Carter that was immediately followed by an interception.

****ing ****!

This one felt like NYG @ Seattle Seagulls, last year, complete with a Feely missed FG..

Running game looked good. Barber, Jacobs both looked good. D looked good at stopping the Colts' run, but then again do the Colts even have a running game this year? Eli looked good at times, ok at times, and not so good at times. Would like to see more of Shockey--he scored 1 TD.

In the end, hate to see the difference come down to penalties, and especially 1 or 2 bad calls that change the face of the game.

[mudbunny]

Shockey is a friggin retard. He has to be the most overrated player in the NFL.

[americanbychoice]

When Shockey scored that TD and handed the ball to those dudes in the corner, that was pretty cool (I don't know what branch of service they were from... I think I heard John Madden say that they were the pilots who did the fly-over, but I have no idea. Probably was sh!tloads of servicemen & women, along with NYPD & FDNY because of the 9/11 rememberance).

So, even though I think Shockey is a tool sometimes, that was a good thing that he did.

[ed316]

Hope Texans do better next week. They looked so good in the beginning.

[Miles.]

szr,

Cowboys had one touchdown allowed on a terrible call, and then were denied a touchdown for calling what should have been called earlier. It's really a shame. Leftwich throws a fade and his reciever throws our man Henry down and catches the ball. No offensive pass interference. Our boy Jason Witten (Dallas' Jeremy Shockey) comes up to the safety on a goal line curl, safety and Witten both shove each other, Witten catches the touchdown, and they call him for offensive pass interference. Pathetic.

Cowboys offensive line sucks. You can put Michael Vick, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, **** it...a highschooler, and they'll throw 3 (actually 4) interceptions and have a sore back, too.

[farmgirl]

My Broncos looked saaaaaad yesterday. I only hope things will get better. The year started with a loss last year, and they had a good season, so I'm concentrating on that....


I believe my boy is going to watch MNF with He219 tonight, so that should be interesting.... :D

[Aerosoul]

Titans really dissapoint me. :(
My family has season tickets though, and they said four F-22s did a flyover. First time they've ever been used in a flyover at a sporting event, apparently.

[szr]

szr,

Cowboys had one touchdown allowed on a terrible call, and then were denied a touchdown for calling what should have been called earlier. It's really a shame. Leftwich throws a fade and his reciever throws our man Henry down and catches the ball. No offensive pass interference. Our boy Jason Witten (Dallas' Jeremy Shockey) comes up to the safety on a goal line curl, safety and Witten both shove each other, Witten catches the touchdown, and they call him for offensive pass interference. Pathetic.

Cowboys offensive line sucks. You can put Michael Vick, Tom Brady, Tony Romo, **** it...a highschooler, and they'll throw 3 (actually 4) interceptions and have a sore back, too.
I hear you. I can take a loss when we're plain outclassed, but losing because you got the ass-end of a night of skewed calls... All I can do is shake my head in disgust.


Shockey is a friggin retard. He has to be the most overrated player in the NFL.Overrated until he runs straight over you.

[AFMedic]

I couldn't help it.

Go Chargers!!!

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9959/sadraidersfansthankschargers1fn9.jpg

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5688/sadraidersfansthankschargers2dm6.jpg

[Hellfish]

Gotta give Oakland credit, tho. Them's is some badass looking fans.

[americanbychoice]

Wow, the Raiders looked the ass end of horrible against the Chargers.

Looks like the same old crap from Al Davis' band of cast-offs... and I can't even dump Lamont Jordan from my fantasy team right now, but maybe he'll be less worthless next week.

Aaron Brooks had only 14 passing attempts? Lamont Jordan only had 10 rushing attempts? That's about all you need to know. The Chargers' defense just blew up Oakland's offense.

EDIT: And why did we have two games on Monday night? Why did we have Oakland versus San Diego in a horrible non-competition?

Am I the only one who is already tired of Tony Kornheiser? The guy started ripping on some guys who didn't make in the NFL ("LOLZ! DAT GUY HAS A REGULAR JOB!!! THAT GUY WORKS IN A SEWER!!! ROFL!!!!!") while comparing them to Brad Johnson... WTF is up with that?

[mudbunny]

I hear you. I can take a loss when we're plain outclassed, but losing because you got the ass-end of a night of skewed calls... All I can do is shake my head in disgust.

Overrated until he runs straight over you.

*In Russian Accent*
I would break him.

[Miles.]

Am I the only one who is already tired of Tony Kornheiser? The guy started ripping on some guys who didn't make in the NFL ("LOLZ! DAT GUY HAS A REGULAR JOB!!! THAT GUY WORKS IN A SEWER!!! ROFL!!!!!") while comparing them to Brad Johnson... WTF is up with that?

I said right from the start, Tony Kornholer is a loudmouth moron. Did you hear them talk about the hyperbaric chamber? Kornholer - "It's just a plastic bag. This guy paid $15,000...for what?"

I hate to be semi-political, but obviously he's liberal. It's not really his liberalism that bothers me, but it's that same attitude that many elected Democrats and media types have...They don't know anything about what's being discussed, so they are just going to be an asshole.

If he had some sense, he would know 15 large is nothing compared to the millions you'll make if you stay healthy.

And Tony Kornholer is the biggest, worst, most obnoxious Philly Eagles homer ever. He has a guy crush on McNabb. And when Eldorado Owens went to the Eagles, he was "the best player ever, great gy, team leader, etc..." and since he left he's the villain, the selfish ****head.

Tony Kornholer is worse than the most rabid Cowboys fan, or "Cowsheep" as we like to call them.

And Monday Night Football's coverage sucks. I have two examples, I will edit later when I get done with school.

[mudbunny]

If any team was ever in need of a fan coup, it's the Raiders. The NFL is better as a whole when the Raiders are competitive and Al Davis is absolutly killing that team with it's horrible Drafts. That team is an absolute joke, yet the sad part is that they have talent ie. Moss, Jordan.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

I missed Mondays show. Bugger.

[farmgirl]

any day the Raiduhs get beat.... is a good day in my book.....


just sayin' ;)

[Aerosoul]

Damn...lucky customers.

http://www.soulchamber.us/uploads/ceccfb8299.jpg

CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- It all started with a little trash-talking.
Randy Gonigam, a Kendall County furniture store owner and "huge Bears fan," got tired of players bragging about their defense, so he decided to put his money on it.

Over Labor Day weekend, Gonigam's World Furniture Mall in Plano offered customers free furniture -- up to $10,000 -- if the Chicago Bears shut out the Green Bay Packers in their season opener. Plano is about 45 miles southwest of Chicago.

Four quarters, 206 customers and about $300,000 later, Gonigam is still a little shell-shocked. "This is beyond our wildest dreams," he said.

The Bears blanked the Packers 26-0 Sunday, ending Green Bay's 233-game scoring streak and giving Brett Favre the first shutout of his 16-year NFL career.

The idea that it was a long shot didn't keep him from insuring the store for up to $300,000 worth of furniture with a company that specializes in insuring prize reimbursements.

Gonigam got the idea to offer full refunds over Labor Day weekend after hearing Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher brag that the team would have the best defense in the NFL this year.

"As a Chicago sports fan, you get frustrated," he said. "I thought, 'Prove it.' "
Customer and expectant mother Kathleen Spayer, 40, went back into the store Monday to make sure her $5,000 master bedroom suite was really free. "It's the luckiest year of my life," Spayer said.

Article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/bears.furniture.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us)

[AFMedic]

Aaron Brooks had only 14 passing attempts?

WTF is up with that?

Brooks was SACKED more times than he had completions. ;)

[mudbunny]

The Raiduhs O-line is a joke.

[Hellfish]

Damn...lucky customers.

http://www.soulchamber.us/uploads/ceccfb8299.jpg

CHICAGO, Illinois (AP) -- It all started with a little trash-talking.
Randy Gonigam, a Kendall County furniture store owner and "huge Bears fan," got tired of players bragging about their defense, so he decided to put his money on it.

Over Labor Day weekend, Gonigam's World Furniture Mall in Plano offered customers free furniture -- up to $10,000 -- if the Chicago Bears shut out the Green Bay Packers in their season opener. Plano is about 45 miles southwest of Chicago.

Four quarters, 206 customers and about $300,000 later, Gonigam is still a little shell-shocked. "This is beyond our wildest dreams," he said.

The Bears blanked the Packers 26-0 Sunday, ending Green Bay's 233-game scoring streak and giving Brett Favre the first shutout of his 16-year NFL career.

The idea that it was a long shot didn't keep him from insuring the store for up to $300,000 worth of furniture with a company that specializes in insuring prize reimbursements.

Gonigam got the idea to offer full refunds over Labor Day weekend after hearing Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher brag that the team would have the best defense in the NFL this year.

"As a Chicago sports fan, you get frustrated," he said. "I thought, 'Prove it.' "
Customer and expectant mother Kathleen Spayer, 40, went back into the store Monday to make sure her $5,000 master bedroom suite was really free. "It's the luckiest year of my life," Spayer said.

Article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/12/bears.furniture.ap/index.html?section=cnn_us)


Chicago rules.

[AFMedic]

The Raiturds offensive play calling was hideous against the Chargers 3-4 defense. The Chargers weakness is stopping the passing game so Raiturds tried to exploit that. But the Raiturds play calling took too long to develop and thus cause Brooks to get sacked so many times. The Raiturds tried to adjust to it by having the receivers run shorter routes or not run out at all where Randy Moss caught the balls at the scrimmage line. But Brooks went back to taking 5-7 steps back waiting for receivers again and getting sacked. Since the Raiturds have an awfull O-line, Brooks needs to read the blitzers much faster, not take such deep steps back and release quicker to the open receiver. If his receivers aren't open after a blitz, that means they are absolutely calling the wrong offensive plays. Not only did their O-line suck, they got out-coached.

[Dean89]

Go RAIDERS!!! Nothing Like The Silver & Black! :)
too bad we kinda suck =\

[AFMedic]

Hey even though it was Monday Night Football, the saying is "On any giving Sunday" It's only the first game of the season. Cheers!

[Hunterhr]

too bad we kinda suck =\

'Kinda'? :)

[szr]

http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BUF.gif (http://www.buffalobills.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIA.gif (http://www.miamidolphins.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CAR.gif (http://www.panthers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIN.gif (http://www.vikings.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CLE.gif (http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CIN.gif (http://www.bengals.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DET.gif (http://www.detroitlions.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CHI.gif (http://www.chicagobears.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/HOU.gif (http://www.houstontexans.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/IND.gif (http://www.colts.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NO.gif (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/GB.gif (http://www.packers.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYG.gif (http://www.giants.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PHI.gif (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/OAK.gif (http://www.raiders.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BAL.gif (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TB.gif (http://www.buccaneers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ATL.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/)1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ARI.gif (http://www.azcardinals.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SEA.gif (http://www.seahawks.com/)4:05 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/STL.gif (http://www.stlouisrams.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SF.gif (http://www.sf49ers.com/)4:05 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/KC.gif (http://www.kcchiefs.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DEN.gif (http://www.denverbroncos.com/)4:15 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NE.gif (http://www.patriots.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYJ.gif (http://www.newyorkjets.com/)4:15 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TEN.gif (http://www.titansonline.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SD.gif (http://www.chargers.com/)4:15 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/WAS.gif (http://www.redskins.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DAL.gif (http://www.dallascowboys.com/)8:15 pm ET, Sun. on NBC
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PIT.gif (http://www.steelers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/JAC.gif (http://www.jaguars.com/)8:30 pm ET, Mon. on ESPN

[NcDeuce]

Future Defensive MVP: Shawne Merriman

[DanteXavier]

Chris Simms and Tampa Bay are getting eaten right now.

The Lions are getting mauled even worse by the bears= 34-7. Grossman with 4TDs. I didnt see that coming.

I feel very sorry for Lions fans right now.

[HooyahCQB]

I don't care about how well Michael Vick runs if the falcons can't score anymore the entire 2nd half. Yeah, they won...even missed 4 fgs, 2 of them blocked...

[szr]

Holy shhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt! I'm gonna need a cardiologist on standby if they keep playing like this!

[kawaiku]

Go RAIDERS!!! Nothing Like The Silver & Black! :)
too bad we kinda suck =\


'Kinda'? :)

Yea that's kind of an understatement more like REALLY!!!. As far as I could tell, Carr,FatAss(Janikowsky),Lechler, Moss, Sapp, and Whitted are our best and most consistenly good players at this moment(that I could think of anyways). The offensive line needs some serious help while the defense is pretty solid execept for the backfield's ability to not make crucial tackels and giving toooo much room to the opposing recievers. And as for Walter, give him time and some more experience and he could be a very reliable quarterback, but his scrambling needs to be a bit quicker and his ability to hold the ball when he gets sacked(which seems to happen alot?!?!). And it looked like the Ravens came out to play while the Raiders looked relaxed. I'd give the defense a rating of 8/10 because they did a tremendouse job of keeping the Ravens from getting a possible 21pts in the first few minutes of the game and reducing them to just 9pts.
The good part is, is that we didn't get beaten too badlywoot!

[Miles.]

Holy shhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitt! I'm gonna need a cardiologist on standby if they keep playing like this!

Great job by the Giants. I was rooting for them like I will root for the Boys tonight.

woot woot

I love to see that smug ****head McNabb get what he deserves. **** Jevon Kearse and the cart he rode off on.

Dumb blitz call on 3rd & 11. Great recognition by Manning.

[Operation Ivy]

glad the ravens won, but we should have beat the raiders 40+points on them, thank god our Defense is amazing so far.

[Papelgod]

I love to see that smug ****head McNabb get what he deserves.
lol, typical Cowboy fan.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

Chicago All the way ;D

[Miles.]

lol, typical Cowboyd fan.

When a team's fans cheer a broken neck, you remember. :fork:

[Name Taken]

Screw CBS. Screw them. They switched from the Indianapolis vs. Houston game half way through to cover the freakin' Buffalo vs. Miami game. Who cares???

CBS sucks.:slap:

[Papelgod]

When a team's fans cheer a broken neck, you remember. :fork:
That's something against fans, not a great NFL QB.

[szr]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/*****/d8/full.*****-71465278js001_new_york_gian_2_48_51_pm.jpg
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/*****/77/full.*****-71465278js006_new_york_gian_3_08_48_pm.jpg

p-)

At half time I was having visions of our first win not coming until week 5 at home against Washington, or worse, not until week 8 against TB, which was no doubt the intent of some punk scheduler with a chip on their shoulder!:roll:p-) So this is a huge win for us that will hopefully have some spillover into next week for our jaunt to Seattle. After 10/23 our schedule levels out and if we can stay healthy and productive until then, we'll be golden.


GJ with Wash., BTW, Dallas. The division is looking tight as ever.

[Hellfish]

Chicago All the way ;D

Word. woot

[ed316]

I still have faith in my Texans.

[Aerosoul]

I still have faith in my Texans.
I've lost faith in my Titans. :-(
They are so bad.

[F-14D]

I still have faith in my Texans.

If the Skins cant beat the Texans next Sunday our season is officially over.

[ed316]

Gotta have faith guys. A true fan is with their team through thick and thin. Loyalty.

[Aerosoul]

Gotta have faith guys. A true fan is with their team through thick and thin. Loyalty.
I hear ya, I still support them and all. But it's clear this year is going to be another one below .500. And next year we may have a new coach...Fisher's contract is in its last year.

[MG 3]

Need HELP!!!
I dont know any thing about American football. But is it true that there are something like 50players in a team.

[Aerosoul]

Need HELP!!!
I dont know any thing about American football. But is it true that there are something like 50players in a team.
Yes. I can't remember the exact number, but NFL teams will have about 55 players on the roster. 11 on the field per team at a time.

[MG 3]

Yes. I can't remember the exact number, but NFL teams will have about 55 players on the roster. 11 on the field per team at a time.

So can they be substituted at any time buring the match like in Euro football.

[Aerosoul]

After a "play" or "down", yes.

[ed316]

So can they be substituted at any time buring the match like in Euro football.

Yes. Most of the time they would come in if a player needs a rest or he is injured.

[MG 3]

Can you believe it that I was in the US for 2 whole years and never saw a complete match. The first one I saw was with a friend after comming back to Pak.

[MG 3]

Fast game, and dude do they get hurt!! but Soccer is more my type. Thanks for the info guys. :)

[Hunterhr]

I love to see that smug ****head McNabb get what he deserves. **** Jevon Kearse and the cart he rode off on.


So how about TO's fingers eh?

This coming from a Pats fan.

[Miles.]

So how about TO's fingers eh?

This coming from a Pats fan.

Broken metacarpal. It's cool, we have a bye week next week, so he may miss 1-2 games.

Dallas is really proud of Owens right now. He's played with some class, so far.

Redskins couldn't comeback in this one. They really couldn't get to Bledsoe, which is probably why we had some offense. They had to play a lot of zone, which is good because Terry Glenn can bust it with a post almost any down.

Redskins' run defense looks pretty good, though.

Glad to see Jevon Kearse has a serious knee injury. Hopefully, McNabb will be squirming on the ground pretty soon. Anybody who watched that Giants comeback could see that McNabb was playing around, calling out opposing defensive players while on the line of scrimmage. He didn't respect the Giants and his team got owned.

[Miles.]

That's something against fans...

That's something against the entire organization from top down. Eagles and their fans have a special place in hell: it's called the Buddy Ryan Museum of Cheapshot Artists, Bounties, and Bad Sportsmanship.


..not a great NFL QB.

McNabb is a solid QB, but by no means "great." He chunks balls in the grass all the time. He's shifty, and he can throw the deep ball, but he doesn't manage the game very well. I notice that sometimes on 3rd down and long, he doesn't make the pass that his team needs, but then he can pass on 1st and 2nd no problem.

[americanbychoice]

McNabb is a solid QB, but by no means "great." He chunks balls in the grass all the time. He's shifty, and he can throw the deep ball, but he doesn't manage the game very well. I notice that sometimes on 3rd down and long, he doesn't make the pass that his team needs, but then he can pass on 1st and 2nd no problem.
... but he's a "leader", blah blah blah & whatever the McNabb fans say.

Of course, if TO was able to blow up that team after one bad year, how "great" is McNabb at what he does?

Maybe we are more in an era of "game managers" and "leaders" at the QB position than actual ball-chucking "greatness"... which is why Tom Brady is good at what he does rather than the all-out spectacular stuff that a Ron Mexico would do on certain types of plays, or a Peyton Manning would do on other sorts of plays.

Are there many "great" quarterbacks these days? How "great" was Troy Aikman? How "great" is Tom Brady? How "great" is Peyton Manning (without ever winning a big game)?

Donovan McNabb isn't even in the same category as a Warren Moon, Peyton Manning, or Dan Marino... and hasn't won anything like Troy Aikman, Tom Brady, or Ben Roflcopter... and are any of those guys unquestionably "great"?

[HooyahCQB]

Steelers Shut Out By Jacksonville!!!

[Hunterhr]

Glad to see Jevon Kearse has a serious knee injury. Hopefully, McNabb will be squirming on the ground pretty soon.

For somebody who hates the Eagles as much as you do, you sure do sound like a Philadelphia fan.

Rooting for injuries (or cheering injuries) is about as classless as it gets.

For my part I think Philadelphia fans take too much pride in their 'bad' image. And they wonder why they're always so put down upon.

[Miles.]

For somebody who hates the Eagles as much as you do, you sure do sound like a Philadelphia fan.

Rooting for injuries (or cheering injuries) is about as classless as it gets.

For my part I think Philadelphia fans take too much pride in their 'bad' image. And they wonder why they're always so put down upon.

There is no description for the hate I have for Philadelphia Eagles.

[mudbunny]

There is no description for how hung over I am right now; nothing like staying up all night to watch my team play like a bunch of friggin turds.

[szr]

Jevon Kearse's season is over. He shredded his left knee on that OT sack. I'd feel like a doofus if I were McNabb.

[mudbunny]

There is no damn way that the Jints should have won that game. Just another reason to hate the dink 'n dunk, chickensh!t West Coast Offense. The Eagles couldn't run the time off the clock at the end of a game if there were no defense lined up.

[I'mOnlyHalfPolish]

Steelers Shut Out By Jacksonville!!!

and to think they won me $1000 in the miami game...GO CHARLIE GO!!!

[Operation Ivy]

every time the steelers lose i have a good week

[Miles.]

There is no damn way that the Jints should have won that game. Just another reason to hate the dink 'n dunk, chickensh!t West Coast Offense. The Eagles couldn't run the time off the clock at the end of a game if there were no defense lined up.

I really thought that last 6 minutes of the Eagles/Giants game was a big-time coaching failure by Andy Reid. The end of that game should remind everyone: that's why you have special teams and defense. If you're up by that much, the offense isn't going to win the game for you. Run the ball, run the clock down, punt if you don't convert, and trust your defense (which is solid on the Eagles). Throwing the ball incomplete and the penalty for delay of game is 100% on McNabb. But the decision to throw is on Andy Reid. RUN THE BALL, SHORT PASSES DON'T CUT IT!!

[Hunterhr]

There were some monster hits in that game, especially for incomplete passes. Receivers on both teams are probably still laying in tubs of ice.

[mudbunny]

I can't wait until the Steelers play the Bengals; it's going to be a bloodbath.

[mudbunny]

I dedicate this to all Browns, Ravens and Bengal fans out there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=owGIqr_Ed1c

[Bob Lawbla]

The Bronco's were painful to watch. Still haven't given up a touchdown tho. Dam near missed the kickoff. I was waiting for a fooking Bacon Cheese Burger in the Bar downstairs at Braun's next to the Pepsi Center. No Shyt. It took an hour and a half. I just grabbed the burger and ran to Invesco. Got to my seat just in time to see the F-16 Flyover! Not expecting good things against the Patriots.

[Operation Ivy]

I dedicate this to all Browns, Ravens and Bengal fans out there.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=owGIqr_Ed1c

**** the squeelers, ravens all the way

[mudbunny]

The Ravens are going to bleed.

[szr]

Bye week for Dallas, Kansas City, Oakland, San Diego

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CAR.gif (http://www.panthers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TB.gif (http://www.buccaneers.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CHI.gif (http://www.chicagobears.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIN.gif (http://www.vikings.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CIN.gif (http://www.bengals.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PIT.gif (http://www.steelers.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/GB.gif (http://www.packers.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DET.gif (http://www.detroitlions.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/JAC.gif (http://www.jaguars.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/IND.gif (http://www.colts.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYJ.gif (http://www.newyorkjets.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BUF.gif (http://www.buffalobills.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/TEN.gif (http://www.titansonline.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/MIA.gif (http://www.miamidolphins.com/)

1:00 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/WAS.gif (http://www.redskins.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/HOU.gif (http://www.houstontexans.com/)

4:05 pm ET, Sun. on CBS
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/BAL.gif (http://www.baltimoreravens.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/CLE.gif (http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NYG.gif (http://www.giants.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SEA.gif (http://www.seahawks.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/PHI.gif (http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/SF.gif (http://www.sf49ers.com/)

4:15 pm ET, Sun. on FOX
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/STL.gif (http://www.stlouisrams.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ARI.gif (http://www.azcardinals.com/)

8:15 pm ET, Sun. on NBC
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/DEN.gif (http://www.denverbroncos.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NE.gif (http://www.patriots.com/)

8:30 pm ET, Mon. on ESPN
http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/ATL.gif (http://www.atlantafalcons.com/)vs.http://images.nfl.com/images/logos65x40/NO.gif (http://www.neworleanssaints.com/)
Feel-good game of the Year. First home game for Saints at SuperDome since Hurricane Katrina. Falcons and Saints both 2-0.