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Firetxmi
08-05-2006, 01:45 PM
Employees unionize Chinese Wal-Mart

Sat Aug 5, 9:29 AM ET

Employees of retail giant Wal-Mart (NYSE:WMT - news) have set up their second trade union in China, pushing toward the Chinese labor federation's goal of unionizing every Wal-Mart store in the country.

The second union was established by 42 employees of a Wal-Mart outlet in the southern boomtown of Shenzhen, the official Xinhua news agency reported on Saturday.

The first was set up late last month in the southeastern province of Fujian. A senior official of the state-controlled All-China Federation of Trade Unions has said the body will work toward establishing a union in every Wal-Mart outlet.

The U.S. retail chain, which employs more than 30,000 people at stores across China, has long resisted pressure to unionize its workers in the United States and elsewhere.

But retail analysts say the Chinese government appears recently to be placing more emphasis on unionizing the sector, both to develop the services industry and to assert control over an increasing number of workers leaving the state sector.

A spokeswoman for Wal-Mart in China earlier said she had no knowledge of the first union. On Saturday, Xinhua quoted a Wal-Mart statement as saying, "Should associates request the formation of a union, Wal-Mart China would respect their wishes and honor its obligation under China's trade union law."



Link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060805/bs_nm/retail_china_union_dc&printer=1;_ylt=AkeyFplZrCqSIVHduku.7xKb.HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-

I worked for a fire dept. in which most firefighters are part of a union (IAFF- a division of AFL-CIO). One day the station went into Wal-Mart to buy food for the shift and were talking to the checkout lady who was complaining about how poorly the employees were treated there. One of the guys mentioned that a union might help solve the problem. Before they could finish checking out a store manager was at their counter asking them to leave ASAP! That shift has not shopped at Wal-Mart in 3 years now, despite the fact that it is the closest store.

How I see this, is that Wal-Mart is willing to let their employees in China unionize because they don't want to bite the very hand that feeds them oh so well. Yet, in the U.S. they are able to have more restraint over their employees. Really kind of sad. I am not saying that unions are necessarily the best option, but it is still kind of angering.

Durandal
08-05-2006, 04:08 PM
I say gooooo Zhongguo ren!

Firetxmi
08-05-2006, 06:34 PM
I say gooooo Zhongguo ren!

I knew you were Asian Durandal, and your avatar proves it! :D

Just joshin' ya!

2Sheds_Jackson
08-06-2006, 02:02 AM
How I see this, is that Wal-Mart is willing to let their employees in China unionize because they don't want to bite the very hand that feeds them oh so well. Yet, in the U.S. they are able to have more restraint over their employees. Really kind of sad. I am not saying that unions are necessarily the best option, but it is still kind of angering.

If I'm not mistaken, the "union" in China is not what you'd expect. From what I've read, they are very closely tied to (read controlled by) the communist party (government). It's a different animal than we have in the US. So for the government, unions are swell, so long as it's the right union. I've also read of other (what we'd consider "real") unions such as the AFL-CIO trying to make inroads into China, and seeing the government circle the wagons very quickly.

In this case, it looks to me like Wal-Mart in China is basically just acceding to the wishes of the government - who is controlling both sides of the equation. I'll try to dig up some info on that....

Edit for more bulk fiber---

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/inequal/labor/2003/1229shengzhen.htm

Does China Permit Worker Rights?
NO. China today has more labor activists in prison than any other country in the world. There are widespread violations by China of internationally recognized labor rights.
FACT:
Chinese workers have no right to form or join free trade unions.
FACT:
In China, collective bargaining for better wages and working conditions by free unions can't occur.
FACT:
Strikes and democratic labor protests are prohibited in China.
FACT:
More than four million Chinese are in forced labor camps, producing auto parts and other products that often are exported.
FACT:
The U.S. State Department reports that official repression of labor activists in China has worsened in the past few years.
http://www.uaw.org/action/china/free02.html

http://www.uaw.org/action/china/free03.html

Durandal
08-06-2006, 09:46 AM
In this case, it looks to me like Wal-Mart in China is basically just acceding to the wishes of the government - who is controlling both sides of the equation. I'll try to dig up some info on that....


Which is most likely the case...

Firetxmi
08-06-2006, 10:04 AM
Interesting info 2Sheds. Thanks! Isn't this still sort of not biting the hand that feeds you?

Freibier
08-06-2006, 10:51 AM
OT, Walmart Germany gave up finally and is selling all its places to the german chain METRO. woot

hell
08-06-2006, 12:08 PM
I worked for a fire dept. in which most firefighters are part of a union (IAFF- a division of AFL-CIO). One day the station went into Wal-Mart to buy food for the shift and were talking to the checkout lady who was complaining about how poorly the employees were treated there. One of the guys mentioned that a union might help solve the problem. Before they could finish checking out a store manager was at their counter asking them to leave ASAP! That shift has not shopped at Wal-Mart in 3 years now, despite the fact that it is the closest store.

How I see this, is that Wal-Mart is willing to let their employees in China unionize because they don't want to bite the very hand that feeds them oh so well. Yet, in the U.S. they are able to have more restraint over their employees. Really kind of sad. I am not saying that unions are necessarily the best option, but it is still kind of angering.

Yep, I worked for Wal-mart for two years, their employee treatment is horrible. When they start you there, first day everyone watches a couple of videos, and one of the longest ones is the "no unions allowed" type. Then, there is computer based training later, which goes into the anti-union crap further. Wal-mart's official policy, IIRC, was that they didn't want unions because the increased employee wages would make the company have to raise prices on their products, possibly causing them to lose their competitive edge.

That statement is pure crap. The company grosses hundereds of billions of dollars every year, and even after net is taken into account, the profit margin is freaking huge. It's similar to the oil companies right now; they state that they have to raise prices for consumers due to higher costs, yet the profits are much more substantial than the increase in oil usage.