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EvanL
03-30-2004, 11:13 AM
'The solution of the dispute is not going to be military'

Adrian Humphreys
National Post


Tuesday, March 30, 2004
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Canada's top remaining diplomat in Denmark was called before the Royal Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs yesterday to discuss the disputed territory of Hans Island, a barren rock in the high Arctic.

Brian Herman, charge d'affaires of Canada's diplomatic mission in Copenhagen, was asked by officials about his country's intentions in the spat, recently inflamed by Danish sailors occupying the island during regular Arctic patrols.

Mr. Herman's response was that "it is not Canada's intention to stir up a tempest in a teapot," said Reynald Doiron, spokesman for Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs. "We want to keep an open mind on this and yes, we would be ready to resume discussions on the issue but there has been no definite agenda set," he said.

Peter Taksoe-Jensen, head of international public law with the Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said the issue is not in danger of becoming an international incident. "The solution of the dispute over Hans Island is not going to be a military solution in the sense that Denmark is going to post military on the island or anything of that kind," Mr. Taksoe-Jensen said from Copenhagen.

"It is going to be a negotiated solution where Canada and Denmark sit together at the table at some stage when we come to this issue and find a solution."

Although he played down the presence of a Danish warship -- which has made repeated visits to the island with its sailors occupying the island and even unfurling the red and white flag of Denmark over it -- Mr. Taksoe-Jensen could not rule out further visits.

"Since we think of it as part of Danish territory, we feel officials have that right. It is only natural that Danish officials go there from time to time."

He said Copenhagen would take issue if Canada also landed soldiers on the island.

Canada has not had an ambassador in Denmark since Alfonso Gagliano was recalled by Paul Martin in the wake of the advertising scandal involving Mr. Gagliano's former government ministry.

The National Post has highlighted the dispute between Canada and Denmark over the tiny, desolate, ice-bound island as one of four international boundary disputes prompting concerns over the nation's ability to maintain sovereignty of its vast northern region.

The issue was also raised in Parliament, with Stockwell Day, the Conservative party's foreign affairs critic, calling on the government to fill Mr. Gagliano's post and for the restoration of military funding to help retain Arctic sovereignty.

"The nation of Denmark has laid claim to Canadian territory. Its military, from its warship, hoisted its flag on our Arctic territory without permission, without warning, and without any fear of being stopped," Mr. Day said on Friday.

"The government's utter disarray is underlined by the fact that the scandal has led to the recall of our ambassador to Denmark, the very nation that is challenging our sovereignty," Mr. Day said.

Aileen Carroll, Minister for International Co-operation, said Canada will continue to defend its interests.

"Hans Island constitutes part of the national territory of Canada. No assertion by the Danish ambassador or other Danish officials detracts from the absolute sovereignty that Canada enjoys over Hans Island," she said, repeating the official statement of Foreign Affairs.

Mr. Day said the issue highlights the military's weakness.

"This embarrassing situation shows that the Prime Minister was wrong when he was underfunding our national defence while he was finance minister ... and he is wrong today in leaving Canada exposed and embarrassed," he said in Parliament.

David Pratt, the Minister of National Defence, defended the government's record.

"A significant amount of money has been put into the navy over the last number of years. Since this government took over, significant investments have been made in the armed forces overall.... We are continuing to rebuild the Canadian Forces," he said.

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wholagun
03-30-2004, 11:47 AM
:cantbeli:

Truthsayer
03-30-2004, 09:26 PM
FREEEEDOOOOOOOOM! *raises sword*




Um..or something...

mustamato
03-30-2004, 09:33 PM
Haha! Denmark could so kick under-funded Canadian butt so just back of boys.
Couldnīt find anything about this in Danish newspapers, only that the slaughter
of their defence forces continues. The politicians has decided that...

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/as550_fennec/images/AS550fennec_1.jpg
... the Danish defence forces 12 Fennec anti-tank helicopters will be...

http://images.bm4.metropol.dk/135/135738/135738_normal.jpg
... converted and used as ambulance helicopters (for civilians) :|

Yard Ape
03-30-2004, 09:51 PM
Haha! Denmark could so kick under-funded Canadian butt so just back of boys.
This could be a moment of opportunity here. Both countries' militaries agree to a little saber rattling. Both governments crank up defense spending, and (once the cash is flowing) war is declared.

Again, both militaries agree on a date & get together on the island for the larges joint range exercise we have ever had. Lots of video photage is taken of soldiers, tanks, ships, and aircraft firing live ammo & each country will donate a tiny percent of its vehicles as range targets (because our publics will be quite pissed if they don't see the other guy's kit blow-up).

The exercise will end in a big BBQ and a civilized hockey game will decide who is "the winner." This BBQ will involve a certain amount of beer, and we can expect this will lead a few to fall on the rocks. These people will be brought home to show as war casualties.

In the end everyone goes home to a better funded military & can look back on an excellent training oportunity. It is win - win. (Even better if we can bring other NATO members along for the fun, but they have to bring thier own beer).

:D

Truthsayer
03-30-2004, 09:53 PM
(Even better if we can bring other NATO members along for the fun, but they have to bring thier own beer).


Me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me-me, pick me!


Just not sure for what side...if the canadians speak french, then no thanks...and the danish recrutment-office are closer...but on the other hand, english is easy to comprahend, while danish from some guys mouths are like someone trying to shout with 10 stones in the mouth...

Decisions, decisions...

Loco
03-31-2004, 05:43 AM
In the end everyone goes home to a better funded military & can look back on an excellent training oportunity. It is win - win. (Even better if we can bring other NATO members along for the fun, but they have to bring thier own beer).
:D
I donīt agree, I donīt want beer in such a frozen rock, cognac or sherry brandy may be. May I buy a ticket in the first row seat?

Upfrontreporting
03-31-2004, 06:03 AM
... the Danish defence forces 12 Fennec anti-tank helicopters will be...


... converted and used as ambulance helicopters (for civilians)


Not true, it has been suggested by politicians not knowing enough about the Fennec (capacity-wise)

And it is not entirely settled that the Fennec is to shelved.



regards.
Upfrontreporting

Backis
03-31-2004, 06:14 AM
... the Danish defence forces 12 Fennec anti-tank helicopters will be...


... converted and used as ambulance helicopters (for civilians)


Not true, it has been suggested by politicians not knowing enough about the Fennec (capacity-wise)

And it is not entirely settled that the Fennec is to shelved.



regards.
Upfrontreporting

Not to mention the Fennec would make a piss-poor ambulance helicopter, its just way to small...

Then again, politidiots will be politidiots... this was suggested about Swedens hkp9(MBB BO-105's), and they are way to small as well.

mustamato
03-31-2004, 06:17 AM
Those Fennecs would be perfect limousines for the politicians, now in the
days of terrorists threats etc etc they can use them to transport them safely
and fast in the air :)

Backis
03-31-2004, 06:19 AM
Those Fennecs would be perfect limousines for the politicians, now in the
days of terrorists threats etc etc they can use them to transport them safely
and fast in the air :)

I think we are getting closer to the real reasons now! ;)

Marmot1
03-31-2004, 07:49 AM
Damn beer ,BBQ, and lot of fun... can we join??? (We will bring own beer, but first we need to introduce polar cammo for our soldiers since now we have only desert (well we have 27sq km desert in poland ;-), and green )

BTW during warsaw pact times polish army strategic target was to atack atack denmark (in 80's we have had largest invasion fleet on baltic, even bigger than Soviet one), so I think we should join canadians to be historically corect ;-)

DANJANOU
03-31-2004, 12:01 PM
The exercise will end in a big BBQ

Iceberg party!! woot

Marmot in one of history's ironies, care to guess which NATO member was tasked with providing forces to either defend Denmark against that Polish invasion or assist in recapturing it?