Best anti-tank weapon

[MKtexan]

I have been reading arround here and started woundering. What is the most effective Anti-Tank weapon and which country does it belong to? Anyone have any idea?

[HELEX]

What kind of weapon?

Cannon? unguided Missile? Guided Missile? Infantry? Airforce?


I personally think a 50 Megaton thermonuclear device is the most effective way to kill a Tank. ;)

[MKtexan]

By best Anti-tank weapon i mean any weapon used by ground forces, sorry about that. Also sorry for posting in the wrong forum here.

[Sayeret]

A tank is the best way to destroy another tank.

[Sayeret]

oh crap I didn't mean to make more than one post

[Sayeret]

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[Sayeret]

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[Sayeret]

Yeah sorry about this for some reason it made a bunch of posts.

[MaDuce]

Stop SPAMING

[MKtexan]

Alright people, i mean besides OTHER TANKS!!!! LOL!!!!

[MaDuce]

Tomhawk cruise missles

[NBC Trooper]

I think he meant to an infantry weapons. Am I right?

[Sayeret]

For man portable anti-weapons probably the Javelin or the BILL-2.

Here's some info about the BILL-2:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bofors/images/bofors1.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bofors/

Here's some about the Javelin:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/images/Javelin_11.jpg

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/

They are both are top attack missiles.

[NBC Trooper]

For man portable anti-weapons probably the Javelin or the BILL-2.

Here's some info about the BILL-2.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bofors/

They are both are top attack missiles.

Is it in the same category as the RPG and all those kinds?

[Operation Ivy]

A tank is the best way to destroy another tank.

agreed

[HELEX]

I think SPIKE-ER or BILL 2

[MaDuce]

A badly constructed bridge.

[Yard Ape]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/adats/images/adats9.jpg
ADATS


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/losat/images/1_hmmwv_anti-tank.jpg
LOSAT


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bofors/images/bofors1.jpg
BILL 2


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/efogm/images/efo23.jpg
EFOGM


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/eryx/images/eryx5.jpg
Eryx


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gill/images/4_missile.jpg
Spike


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/images/javelinmp_h15.jpg
Javelin


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/milan/images/milan1.jpg
Milan


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet/images/kornet7.jpg
Kornet


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tow/images/tow7.jpg
TOW 2


http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/images/mbtlaw_5.jpg
MBT LAW

[Yard Ape]

For man portable anti-weapons probably the Javelin or the BILL-2.

Here's some info about the BILL-2.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bofors/

They are both are top attack missiles.

Is it in the same category as the RPG and all those kinds?
No. RPG is not top attack.

[FinnishMF]

No, no and no kids :bash:

The answer is much simplyer


http://www.wendel.se/rswa/images/FARB_OH10.jpg

[hist2004]

The Kornet-E is an "export" version of an anti-tank missile developed specifically by the former Soviet army to counter the threat of modern battle tanks such as the Abrams, America's previously-uncontested "queen of the battlefield."
Weighing about 63 pounds, the Kornet and its guidance system can be easily carried and operated by one or two soldiers.
The Kornet operates similar to other so-called anti-tank guided missiles, or ATGMs, used by the United States and other armies.
Once the missile is set up on its tripod, a soldier looks through the weapon's optical sight for a target such as a tank. He then shines a laser beam on the target and launches the missile.

A rocket boosts the Kornet out of its sealed tube and follows the laser beam to the target.

The missile contains high explosives specially arranged within the warhead. Just before the missile impacts a tank's armor, the "shaped charge" explodes and produces a jet of heat that burns through the tank's metal skin.

When the jet burns through the armor and reaches the interior of the tank, the molten armor becomes super-hot fragments that kill the crew and detonate the tank's ammunition.

Modern tanks, such as the Abrams, counter the threat of most ATGMs with an exterior layer of so-called reactive or explosive armor — essentially, boxes of shaped charge explosives.

When an ATGM detonates against such armor, the tank "reacts" by automatically exploding its own charges. The force of the explosion is intended to push the intense heat from ATGM's lethal blast away from the tank's metal skin, protecting the crew inside.

But the Kornet defeats explosive armor by using dual warheads of shaped charges. The first destroys the tank's protective layer of explosives, allowing the second warhead to burn through the metal beneath, with catastrophic results.

According to military experts, the anti-tank version of the Kornet can penetrate up to 3.9 feet of armor and can be launched from as far away as 5,500 yards. Well-trained soldiers are able to launch up to two missiles per minute by merely discarding the used launch tube and attaching the system's laser-aiming device onto a new missile.

Unlike other anti-tank weapons believed to be in the Iraqi arsenal, the Kornet-E can be used against coalition tanks in any kind of weather, day or night. Its laser-guided system makes it extremely difficult to counteract, say military analysts.

Also, the launch of a Kornet is difficult to spot. Coupled with a hard-to-detect guidance system, analysts say the missile could be used against low-flying helicopters vulnerable to its high-explosive warhead.

What's more, the Kornet can carry another type of warhead called thermobaric or incendiary explosives. These munitions release a fine spray of fuel before denotation. The resulting explosion creates a rapidly expanding fireball that literally consumes all oxygen within an area.

Regards & Thanks,
Hist2004

[M_S]

The Kornet picture is so gay!......Im talking about what he is wearing on his head.

[NBC Trooper]

No. RPG is not top attack.

I meant in a sance of they are carry by the soldier or are they in a viechle or something.

BTW, what is the diffrence between MBT LAW and a regular Law?

[Marsuitor]

The ERYX is quite sweet. But far too short range, 600m doesn't really cut it.

[hedgehog]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/lr_trigat/

[Yard Ape]

The ERYX is quite sweet. But far too short range, 600m doesn't really cut it.Think urban warfare.

[Fintin]

my ass and a can of beans

[HELEX]

This baby:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/polyphem/index.html

[Marsuitor]

The ERYX is quite sweet. But far too short range, 600m doesn't really cut it.Think urban warfare.

Yeah, i'm thinking that as well. ;)
It's excellent in that it has very low backblast and good for launching out of buildings. We use it in Norway and that means mostly longer ranges over barren landscapes. It's a VERY demanding weapon on where and when it can be fired. That and the range is it's biggest problems IMO. It's stopping power however is excellent.

[Marsuitor]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/images/mbtlaw_5.jpg
MBT LAW

Can you do this with the MBT LAW? Doesn't look big enough to carry a primer charge, or whatever it's called in english... (the charge that clears the missile before the main motor fires).

[mustamato]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

http://www.mil.se/rustningskontroll/images/local/pansarvarnsrobot.jpg
Euro-Spike

http://www.mil.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/arkisto/2003/images/20030602_1300_1/ptorjuntaohjus_2000.jpg

[FinnishMF]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

--
Euro-Spike

http://www.mil.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/arkisto/2003/images/20030602_1300_1/ptorjuntaohjus_2000.jpg
How is the "anti-ship" eurospike different compared with this one. Is the missile bigger ?

[Maverick77]

Panzerschreck


http://www.battlefront.co.nz/Images/weapons/panzerschreck-06.jpg

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~nightingale/graphics/panzerschreck1.jpg

http://www.g-ligue.com/dgmi/foall_files/With_Panzerschreck_und_Panzerfaust___Grenadiers_on_the_Wester.jpg

[mustamato]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

--
Euro-Spike

http://www.mil.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/arkisto/2003/images/20030602_1300_1/ptorjuntaohjus_2000.jpg
How is the "anti-ship" eurospike different compared with this one. Is the missile bigger ?

I think so, the only information I found, was that the Army and Navy Euro-Spike
"had considerable similarities which would make logistics easier", I guess the only
real difference is the missile then (and the software obviously). The Army has a
missile with a range of 2.5 km. The Navy will have a missile with a range of 5+ km.

Don´t know about the difference in warhead though. But if feels like a "anti-ship"-
version should have a larger one. Maybe some of our Israeli friends know.

[Marsuitor]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

http://www.mil.se/rustningskontroll/images/local/pansarvarnsrobot.jpg
Euro-Spike

http://www.mil.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/arkisto/2003/images/20030602_1300_1/ptorjuntaohjus_2000.jpg

Think this is the system that made the tabloid headlines so bigtime here in Norway. Apparently Norway had bought a couple off Israel for trials and testing purposes of a new medium range ATGM platform. The other contenders, AFAIK, was the milan, trigat and javelin.
Now, Norway has a ban on dealing militarily with any country which is in a warlike state, which includes Israel according to the government. So there was high talk when it suddenly was "uncovered" that this shady business had taken place.
Don't know how this system performs. I for one would say bollocks to politics in this case. If it fekin' works, then why not?
Btw, the Javelin won and is due to be phased in in about two years.

[AK-Lover]

Panzerfraust:
http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/pzfaust2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/pzfaustshot2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/faustpatrcut.gif
Panzerfuast(tankfist) 30 'fish' hollow charge warhead.
It had a penetration of 200mm! That was alot at that time, the cool thing is these were made almost like modern day LAW's but with RPG warheads. they were used aslot as single shot disposable weapons and were popular with soldiers because of simplicity,ease of use,disposable and above all damage that it inflicted.

[mustamato]

Ah Panzerfaust yes.

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/Faust_and_Schreck.jpg
From a Finnish museum, both these weapons were used by Finnish
troops during ww2, as "Panssarinyrkki" and "Panssarikauhu"

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/pshp_F1_3.jpg
Panssarinyrkki F1 (Panzerfaust 30)

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/pshp_F2_3.jpg
Panssarinyrkki F2 (Panzerfaust 60)

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/88rakh_B54.jpg
88 rakh/B 54 "Panssarikauhu" (SA means Suomen Armeija = Finnish Army)

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/OTHER_AT_WEAPONS2.htm

[IDFM203]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

http://www.mil.se/rustningskontroll/images/local/pansarvarnsrobot.jpg
Euro-Spike

Yes the Israeli made spike (or as for your own political reasons you call it the Euro spike :roll: ) is indeed a bit better then the Javelin.

On performance wise it does outperform the Javelin though it isn’t sold as well due to geopolitical considerations which we wont get into here.

From what I have read from a Brit evaluation of both systems.........

Actually The Brits believed the Israeli Spike was slightly better because of the additional remote "fly by video" feature that can be used to "command guide" the spike, (In command guidance mode, the Spike actually sends what it sees back to the soldier over a set of fiber optic wires that trail behind the missile as it flies. The soldier uses the images to "fly" the missile, sending steering commands back through the same fiber optic wire…thus if at the last moment the operator realises that it’s a friendly vehicle or there are innocents there or whatever, he can steer it away) This is a slight advantage over the javelin for the operator can abort the missile after launch. This is a safety feature to helps prevent some friendly fire incidents.



I think so, the only information I found, was that the Army and Navy Euro-Spike.................................................
.....................

Maybe some of our Israeli friends know.ahh so when we have something you guys want or have, we are all of a sudden friends ;) :roll:

Anyways……….I don’t know much about the bigger or ship version, so I will just repost a post of mine that I answered to you a while ago when this was discussed before.



As for the bigger Israeli spike, here is a LINK (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/N-TD.html) …is this what you’re talking about (I am not sure it is made for ships but I could be wrong)

I know for ships the Israeli navy uses the Israeli Gabriel (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/gabriel/Gabriel.html) and the Israeli Barak (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html)


I will end off with a few pics of it in use in the IDF

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/infantry/para/para-3.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/rockets/gil/1.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/rockets/gil/gil-9.jpg


Shalom :D

[AK-Lover]

What does shalom mean? I have a new isreali friend who moved in beside us and I always here him say it? :D

[George W. Bush]

It means, "Go **** yourself."

[AK-Lover]

^ :|

[AK-Lover]

^ :|

[AK-Lover]

AH, right. :|

[Marsuitor]

It means, "Go f*** yourself."

Don't let this turn into an idiot thread.

[mustamato]

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/OTHER_AT_WEAPONS1.htm

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/molotov1.jpg

60 % potassium chlorate
32 % coal tar (gives smoke so that the thrower gets cover)
8 % noulee (makes it extremely adhesive)

http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/molotov_target.jpg

[IDFM203]

What does shalom mean? I have a new isreali friend who moved in beside us and I always here him say it? :DShalom means peace

Shalom :D

[AK-Lover]

^ thanks! :D :hug:

[AK-Lover]

How to make molotov cocktail:
There are many variations of the molotov cocktail. The classic is a glass bottle filled with gasoline. An oily soaked rag is placed in the neck of the bottle. The rag is lit on fire and the bottle is thrown at the opposition. However, practice has created new models of the molotov that defeat the classic version.

When making molotovs, it is never a good idea to use the oily rag method. It can allow gas to seep from the bottle and many other bad things. The best way is to take a tampon that is soaked in gas and place it on the side of the bottle neck. Then, tie a rubber band around the tampon. Make sure the bottle has a cap on it. Light the tampon and throw hard. With this ignition method, the bottle must break!

When making a molotov mixture, one of the easiest mixtures is filling half the bottle with gasoline, and the other half of the bottle with motor oil. Mix well! The oil is very flammable and sticks very well to the surface that it lands on.

Another mixture is to fill half the bottle with gasoline and the other half with tar. This mixture burns very very hot and also sticks well to surfaces while the gasoline does the work.

To make a firewall, simply fill bottles with rubbing alcohol and light the mixture. These bottles should be lined up side by side to create a large area of fire that police will not walk through.

By far the stickiest mixture is 50% gasoline, with 25% tar and 25% grease. Shake well and throw hard!

The most high explosive and lethal mixture is amonium-nitrate-based fertilizer mixed with gasoline. Just stuff the bottle with this mixture and light the ****er. This method should be made with a plastic bottle so that it will not break on impact. When you light it, the bottle will quickly explode so be quick. Using a fuse is a good idea.

[Yard Ape]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

[IDFM203]

^ thanks! :D :hug: Your welcome :D

Now back to topic. Here is another very "interesting" Israeli weapon :D ...........(info and pics taken from israeli-weapons.com)

SHIPON

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon1.gif

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon__1.jpg

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon7.jpg

SHIPON is a cost-effective weapon system that was developed in the late 1990's, designed to bridge the gap between low-cost men-served LAR's (Light Anti-Tank Rockets), such as the M-72 LAW, and expensive crew-served ATGM'S (Anti-Tank Guided Missiles), such as the TOW.

The Shipon provides a single infantry soldier with the capability to engage and defeat all modern enemy MBT'S (Main Battle Tanks), including such protected by ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor). In addition, it can be effectively used against various types of targets such as bunkers, armored or non-armored vehicles and different kinds of fortifications.

The rocket has penetration capabilities similar to these of 2nd and 3rd generation ATGM'S, while it's as cost-effective and simple to handle as a LAR (a single soldier can carry and operate the system by himself). Moreover, advanced FCS (fire control system) and dual stage propulsion enables the operator to engage targets as far as 600 meters away from him with a 50% hit probability.

Technological Improvements Over Conventional Infantry Weapons:

Tandem warhead
Automatic advanced fire control:
Range finder
Cross-wind measurement along trajectory to target
Temperature measurement
Inclination

Range - Up to 600 m (at 50% hit probability)
Armor Penetration - 800 mm armored steel shielded by ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor)
Structure - Reusable FCS and Firing Mechanism Disposable Canister
Fire Control - LRF, Cross-wind, Inclination, Moving Target


Ammunition

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon2.jpg

Outstanding versatility is provided by two dedicated dual mode warheads.
Anti-Tank/Anti-Fortification Tandem Warhead:
Penetrates 800 mm of armored steel (reactive armor protected), or 500 mm of reinforced concrete.

Anti-Fortification/Anti-Personnel Tandem Warhead:
In anti-fortification mode, front charge penetrates reinforced concrete and main charge explodes inside structure. In anti-personnel mode, front and rear fragmentation charges separate at optimal height and explode above target


Shalom :D

[mustamato]

Shipon is kind a like the French APILAS then. In Finland atleast it´s used in
the platoons, in one "heavy AT-squad" while the others only have the lighter
M72 LAW´s.

http://www.emeraldesigns.com/matchup/pics/apilas_1.jpg

PROPERTIES (112 mm, model APILAS)

heavy disposable anti-tank gun
recoilless
calibre 112 mm
length 1.3 m
weight 9 kg
effective shooting range 25-350 m
shell
- hollow shell
- muzzle velocity 293 m/s
- weight 4.3 kg
- length 92 cm
- armour penetration 65-70 cm

equipped with night vision sight
made in France

[squeak]

The Tandem warhead version of the MILAN does well in my books. Worked well in the Falklands to help out the paras at goose green.

I think though "the best" depends alot on what you need it for. Do you need fire and forget? or do you need to be able to control the missile onto a moving target?

A LAW-80 packs a nice punch, but can't be steered. Carl Gustavs are a bit old, not that thats a bad thing, just that newer versions for AT purposes have come out.

[elguapo]

MSS 1.2
Laser guided (beam rider)
Max engagement range: 3km
weight: 15kg


http://www.exercito.gov.br/03Brafor/armtmuni/Imagens/MSS121.jpg

http://www.mectron.com.br/images/mss.jpg

http://www.defesanet.com.br/noticia/programamisseis/Image30.jpg

[AK-Lover]

http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/bumbar4.jpg
http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/bumbar2.jpg
http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/bumbar1.jpg
http://naoruzanje.paracin.co.yu/bumbar3.jpg
This is the newest AT weapons from Yugoslavia. It is called Bumbar or in english Bumblebee. The rocket caliber is 136mm and with rocket the system weighs 16kg. The weapons penetration capability is 900mm of rolled houmungus steel (sorry for spelling) The maximum effective range is 600m though the rocket can fly up too 1000m. The first hit probablity is 95%. :D woot

[mustamato]

Carl Gustavs are a bit old, not that thats a bad thing, just that newer versions for AT purposes have come out.

Yeah, but the weapon itself is just a simple tube, with new sights and new
ammunition (tandem warhead) it is probably still quite effective.

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_grg_lasersikte.jpg
Some new advanced sight used in Norway

[Yard Ape]

Carl Gustavs are a bit old, not that thats a bad thing, just that newer versions for AT purposes have come out.

Yeah, but the weapon itself is just a simple tube, with new sights and new
ammunition (tandem warhead) it is probably still quite effective.With rocket assisted projectiles, you can also get more range out of the weapon. However, with all the new systems out there to kill tanks, the CarlG is best suited as direct artillery @ the platoon level for use on bunkers, fortified buildings, and old APCs in ambushes.

[ChuckThunder]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

Agreed!

[mustamato]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

Agreed!

By the way, that "effective range" of 700 meters. A good gunner can hit targets
out to say, 1300 meters. In Bosnia there was obviously a incident where Swedish
soldiers came under fire from a HMG from that distance, a Carl Gustaf-gunner
managed to hit the bunker with a smoke grenade. Despite that their maximum
range is supposed to be 1000 meters.

[ChuckThunder]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

Agreed!

By the way, that "effective range" of 700 meters. A good gunner can hit targets
out to say, 1300 meters. In Bosnia there was obviously a incident where Swedish
soldiers came under fire from a HMG from that distance, a Carl Gustaf-gunner
managed to hit the bunker with a smoke grenade. Despite that their maximum
range is supposed to be 1000 meters.

Thats awesome. :D

[moughoun]

Have a good story about the CG, we were on the anti-tank firing range about 8 month's ago firing off he round's now there is a farm about 200 metre's away on the other side of the road well anyway the farmer there had just started stocking sheep and he was unloading them one of our lad's fired a round the sheep startled and ran, now they were penned in so they could not get out but one of them pole vaulted the fence and got smacked by a lorry, blood everywhjere and one pissed off farmer, job done woot

[Truthsayer]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/images/mbtlaw_5.jpg
MBT LAW

Can you do this with the MBT LAW? Doesn't look big enough to carry a primer charge, or whatever it's called in english... (the charge that clears the missile before the main motor fires).

Here you can read more abut this weapon:
http://www.saab.se/dynamics/node4697.asp?exhibitionid=16
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/
http://www.ets-news.com/MBT.htm

[MapleLeafInfantry]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/images/mbtlaw_5.jpg
MBT LAW

Can you do this with the MBT LAW? Doesn't look big enough to carry a primer charge, or whatever it's called in english... (the charge that clears the missile before the main motor fires).

Here you can read more abut this weapon:
http://www.saab.se/dynamics/node4697.asp?exhibitionid=16
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/
http://www.ets-news.com/MBT.htm

Firing that indoors? if its not a big room, I hope you like your sweeds well done!
mli

[mustamato]

MBT LAW uses the CS (confined space) technology from AT4CS


The AT4CS that fulfils the ISL criteria for firing from confined
spaces as small as 3m x 3m x 2.5m, has been qualified in Denmark and
France. However, this weapon is not built for firing from confined spaces
only, it has a rear safety area that allows it to be fired as close as a
metre from large obstacles, giving it the ability to be used in many
differing situations.

[mustamato]

As for the bigger Israeli spike, here is a LINK (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/N-TD.html) …is this what you’re talking about (I am not sure it is made for ships but I could be wrong)

I know for ships the Israeli navy uses the Israeli Gabriel (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/gabriel/Gabriel.html) and the Israeli Barak (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html)

Aah yes, found a pic of little and big Euro-Spike

http://www.bulba.eu.org/mil/free/gp/spike.jpg

[RSK]

AT-3 SAGGER Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Hongjian (Red Arrow)-73

http://www.army.lt/guns/ptrk/gallery/at-3-sagger.jpg

http://www.ocean.univ.gda.pl/~silver/9m14m.jpg

http://dragan.freeservers.com/slike/gazela_puca.jpg
Gazelle GAMA firing 9M14M (AT-3 Sagger)

[Catch22]

Lol I was just about to post that photo mustamato... ;) Anyway I know the lightest version of Raphael's SPIKE is bit smaller than AT4, can be fired from CS and has an effective range of around 900m! Quite nice as for individual, disposale AT weapon. Its name is SPIKE SR and there were requests in Poland to introduce this baby too (we bought SPIKE LR tech as far) to replace RPG's. Any Israeli know how it performs? Pretorian?

About old CG - its still one of the best around - I've seen flechette rounds introduced lately for it. Range around 150 meters, some scary ****... p-)

[stuntman]

Is the javelin missile the only fire and forget atgm? I ask because that would be my main concearn for the safety of troops.

[Hate mail]

I know I posted this somewhere already, but I can't resist.

This is me ;), and in the front there is a 9M14M AT3 sagger (yes, I was the operator ;) - VES 11217, among other things):


http://www.serbian-business.com/usd/uploads/post-36-1076121411.jpg

[Stavka]

Firing that indoors? if its not a big room, I hope you like your sweeds well done!
mli

It is capable of firing indoors without roasting the occupants. Built that way.

[Truthsayer]

Incase anyone didn't pick up on that one, CS = Confined Space

Check out their promo-videos...they actually fire indoors against moving targets just to show off...

[HELEX]

Cheap but very effective....

http://www.rk-westhausen.ostalbforum.de/info/bw-waffen/grafik/pzfst3_2.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/t1000/190/ausr-infantriewaffen/weap-pzf3-bunkerf_01.jpg

http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/weapon/images/panzerfaust3.jpg

http://www.defence-net.de/info/uploads/pics/pzf3_b1.jpg

http://www.defence-net.de/info/uploads/pics/pzf3_b2.jpg

http://www.defence-net.de/info/uploads/pics/pzf3_b3.jpg

Single shot variants:

http://www.defence-net.de/info/uploads/pics/pzf3_b4.jpg

http://www.defence-net.de/info/uploads/pics/pzf3_b5.jpg

[deutschersoldat]

yees, i think the PANZERFAUST 3 is the most effective anti tank weapon for short distances

[Marsuitor]

How many types of munitions are there for the CG now? We use HE, AT, smoke and illum here in Norway. But i've heard about countless others. Flechette being the latest... wouldn't like to be standing in front of that.

Do have a CG story too, but i'm thinking it might be one of those urban legends in the forces since i've heard countless versions of it, but anyway;
After Norway had deployed to the Lebanon in 1978 there was a situation where a patrol was taken under fire by Hisbullahs. Fortunately, the patrol was carrying a CG with several HE rounds. The fire was coming from an entrenched position higher up than the patrol was, so direct fire wouldn't be able to make an effective kill. The patrol leader ordered the CG crew to set the HE round to airburst so that it went off over the position. The weapon fired, round went off and it silenced the enemy. Later it was found that the round had killed 11 or so terrorists, and whenever a Norwegian patrol was taken under fire again, all they needed to do was to display that they had a CG along with them and the firing would cease.
Perhaps some of the Lebanon vets around here would be able to verify this once and for all? Ichhabe or Oldrecon?

[mustamato]

Do have a CG story too, but i'm thinking it might be one of those urban legends in the forces since i've heard countless versions of it, but anyway;
After Norway had deployed to the Lebanon in 1978 there was a situation where a patrol was taken under fire by Hisbullahs. Fortunately, the patrol was carrying a CG with several HE rounds. The fire was coming from an entrenched position higher up than the patrol was, so direct fire wouldn't be able to make an effective kill. The patrol leader ordered the CG crew to set the HE round to airburst so that it went off over the position. The weapon fired, round went off and it silenced the enemy. Later it was found that the round had killed 11 or so terrorists, and whenever a Norwegian patrol was taken under fire again, all they needed to do was to display that they had a CG along with them and the firing would cease.
Perhaps some of the Lebanon vets around here would be able to verify this once and for all? Ichhabe or Oldrecon?

LoOoOoL.

But well who knows. It´s effective atleast. I think it was first used in combat
by Swedish soldiers in Congo (the last time they were there vs Katanga rebels).
Swedish soldiers fired HE thru windows and anti-tank rounds thru walls. And it
was also very effective when engaging bunkers, or more nests with MG and so
forth. Not aimed directly at them, but rather behind them, and over them in trees
etc. The shrapnel made the work.

[HELEX]

Has anybody more infos about the modern CG versions and Ammo? German army still uses the CG but only for battlefield illumination.

[IDFM203]

As for the bigger Israeli spike, here is a LINK (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/N-TD.html) …is this what you’re talking about (I am not sure it is made for ships but I could be wrong)

I know for ships the Israeli navy uses the Israeli Gabriel (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/gabriel/Gabriel.html) and the Israeli Barak (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html)

Aah yes, found a pic of little and big Euro-Spike

--

Thanks for those two pics of the Israeli spike or as you insist, the licensed produced Euro spike (either way its of Israeli design :D )

So my link before was correct as to the bigger spike.

Here is a nice pic of it from the link that I brought above

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/ntd__1.gif

Shalom :D

[GazB]

Coupled with a hard-to-detect guidance system, analysts say the missile could be used against low-flying helicopters vulnerable to its high-explosive warhead.


The missile looks back at the launcher rather than at reflected laser beam from the target so the laser used is about 10,000 times less powerful than what is required for a laser homing missile like Hellfire.



According to military experts, the anti-tank version of the Kornet can penetrate up to 3.9 feet of armor and can be launched from as far away as 5,500 yards.

Metric is 1,200mm (or 1.2m) of armour penetration and 5,500m or 5.5km range. Penetration has been found to be actually about 1,000mm due to the design and positioning of the warhead (at the rear of the missile). Currently they are taking steps to improve that back to the expected 1.2m.



The Kornet picture is so gay!......Im talking about what he is wearing on his head.

Just a soft cap to wear under a helmet that doesn't have comms fitted. It is basically a light way to have the two way radio capability of a helmet without having to wear a big heavy helmet.

There probably is no best anti tank weapon. Look at the Russian solution... very close range they use unguided RPG-7 and RPG-29 Vampire out to 500-800m. The next layer is guided, with the AT-13 missile with a range of 1.5km and designed to be cheap but with good accuracy and reasonable range. The next layer is the older AT-4/AT-5 systems with ranges from 2.5km to 4.5km. These are being phased out by Kornets with a range of 5.5km. The Krisantema is a vehicle mounted MMW radar guided system that can be used in any weather including white out or dust storm, 24/7 out to 6km. Stepping up is the Vikhr and Ataka-M that can hit targets out to 10km but are helo launched. Then come the big anti tank missiles like the Kh-25 (90kg HEAT model) and Kh-29 (317kg HEAT model) with ranges from 12km to 40km.

[Haiw]

Panzerfraust:
http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/pzfaust2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/pzfaustshot2.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/faustpatrcut.gif
Panzerfuast(tankfist) 30 'fish' hollow charge warhead.
It had a penetration of 200mm! That was alot at that time, the cool thing is these were made almost like modern day LAW's but with RPG warheads. they were used aslot as single shot disposable weapons and were popular with soldiers because of simplicity,ease of use,disposable and above all damage that it inflicted.
Aaaargh at least get the name right... :bash:

[Hate mail]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040330/capt.sge.crc31.300304072945.photo01.default-384x244.jpg

A US Marine fires a rocket at a target on the opposite bank of the Euphrates River south of Nasiriyah during last year's fighting. A military investigation has blamed a forward air controller for a US air attack that mistakenly struck US Marines in Nasiriyah a year ago in the worst 'friendly fire' incident in the US-led invasion of Iraq (news - web sites)(AFP/File/Cris Bouroncle)

[mustamato]

Don´t know if it´s the best, but it was choose over the Javelin after extensive trials

http://www.mil.se/rustningskontroll/images/local/pansarvarnsrobot.jpg
Euro-Spike

Yes the Israeli made spike (or as for your own political reasons you call it the Euro spike :roll: ) is indeed a bit better then the Javelin.

http://www.rekyyli.com/uutiset/military/P6027261.JPG
... another Finnish PstOhj 2000 as it´s designated.

As I´ve understood most of the parts of the missile system is not made in Israel, except
"A key component of the heat-seeking missiles comes from the Israeli arms manufacturer Rafael."

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20021017IE6

[FDF_Hemppis]

Well, everyone in the FDF call it an Israeli missile. The name euro-spike is essentially just a cover-up so that the politicians can feel good about themselves for not buying weapons from a "country-in-war"!

Instead, the Germans ship the missile from Israel, put a different name&logo on it, and there you have it, a politically acceptable missile!

F***ink hypocrits!

[mustamato]

Well, everyone in the FDF call it an Israeli missile. The name euro-spike is essentially just a cover-up so that the politicians can feel good about themselves for not buying weapons from a "country-in-war"!

Instead, the Germans ship the missile from Israel, put a different name&logo on it, and there you have it, a politically acceptable missile!

F***ink hypocrits!

Well, as you can read in the article it´s not made in Israel. But yes, it´s a
Israeli weapon system of course. Just as AMV is a Finnish one despite that
the Poles will make some parts of it themselves.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Well, everyone in the FDF call it an Israeli missile. The name euro-spike is essentially just a cover-up so that the politicians can feel good about themselves for not buying weapons from a "country-in-war"!

Instead, the Germans ship the missile from Israel, put a different name&logo on it, and there you have it, a politically acceptable missile!

F***ink hypocrits!

Well, as you can read in the article it´s not made in Israel. But yes, it´s a
Israeli weapon system of course. Just as AMV is a Finnish one despite that
the Poles will make some parts of it themselves.

Yes I know it's not made in Israel...What I mean is the most important parts of it (electronics) are (still) made in Israel, and changing the company that makes the tube around it doesn't change it's origin/roots.

Just like AMV's build in Poland will still (atleast should be!) called " the Finnish AMV". Well, you get the point ;)

[IDFM203]

Thanks for your posts FDF_Hemppis :D

Yeah I now what you wrote but I guess coming from a finn would drive home the point a bit more.

Yeah mustamato has a hard time accepting the fact that the finns use some very good Israelis weapons because you know, he doesn’t want to have a anything to do with "them Joos" or what they make.

I actually found his postings funny on how he so clung onto that “euro” spike label as if that in his mind makes it free of any Jewish influence.

hahaha rofl What a M....... ;)

Anyways again thanks for bringing more clarity into this Israeli weapon that your military uses.

You guys made a good choice!!:D


F***ink hypocrits! Amen!!!!

Shalom to you :D

[HELEX]

Does anyone knows at what Price the Israelis sell the Missile and then what the Finnish Goverment pays? :D

[FDF_Hemppis]

Anyways again thanks for bringing more clarity into this Israeli weapon that your military uses.

You guys made a good choice!!:D



I think we made a good choice too! :D

Right now we are using it as not only a AT-weapon but as a close-range anti-ship missile too. I just wish there was more of them, but ATGM's are a bit expensive... :(

Anyway, I'm hearing rumours that FDF is looking to replace the aging APILAS AT-system, and is testing, along with the PanzerFaust3&CG, the spike-SR! That would be nice! I'm trying to find out if this is really true, it's still only a rumour

And as for Mustamato ("blackworm" in Finnish, btw), I think we mean the same thing, but just say it with different words...

And peace to you too, hope you get it in our lifetime :|

[tomcat1974]

The SPike seems to be also in Romanian Army arsenals. Also IAR330 SOCAT are equiped with them SPIKE-ER.

[Threelions]

http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/40.jpg

Agreed!

By the way, that "effective range" of 700 meters. A good gunner can hit targets
out to say, 1300 meters. In Bosnia there was obviously a incident where Swedish
soldiers came under fire from a HMG from that distance, a Carl Gustaf-gunner
managed to hit the bunker with a smoke grenade. Despite that their maximum
range is supposed to be 1000 meters.

Thats awesome. :D

they are alot of fun to fire, but i wouldnt fancy my chances with carl against any modern tank. It is, as already said, great against bunkers, soft targets, and light skined vehicles.

Cheers

[IDFM203]

I think we made a good choice too! :DWell of course, we only make the best :D


Right now we are using it as not only a AT-weapon but as a close-range anti-ship missile too. I just wish there was more of them, but ATGM's are a bit expensive... :(

Anyway, I'm hearing rumours that FDF is looking to replace the aging APILAS AT-system, and is testing, along with the PanzerFaust3&CG, the spike-SR! That would be nice! I'm trying to find out if this is really true, it's still only a rumour Well actually Mustamato mentioned something like that before for your navy, though not sure on how reliable that info is ;)

If so that will be a great improvement over what you had before ;) :D



And as for Mustamato ("blackworm" in Finnish, btw), I think we mean the same thing, but just say it with different words... Well first thanks for the translation.

And yeah I know you guys meant the same thing (and belive me I know that he really knew where it came from), though its his insistence on a certain emphasis, when it’s a mere technicality, bellies a underlying hostile and negative bias as I mentioned before and I actually found it quite amusing to see him cling onto that “euro” label when we all know that it is really……..well you know ;) :D





And peace to you too, hope you get it in our lifetime :| I am pessimistic based on the real realties that we face, though thanks for the kind words and your wish for peace for us, I too wish for that.

Shalom :D

[wholagun]

Lol I was just about to post that photo mustamato... ;) Anyway I know the lightest version of Raphael's SPIKE is bit smaller than AT4, can be fired from CS and has an effective range of around 900m! Quite nice as for individual, disposale AT weapon. Its name is SPIKE SR and there were requests in Poland to introduce this baby too (we bought SPIKE LR tech as far) to replace RPG's. Any Israeli know how it performs? Pretorian?

About old CG - its still one of the best around - I've seen flechette rounds introduced lately for it. Range around 150 meters, some scary ****... p-)

ok Im confused here..
What is the difference between the Spike LR and the Spike SR?

What do you mean also by replace RPGs, you must mean the Scorpion right?

[MKtexan]

Ok guys, im trying to research anti-tank wepons. What are all the recent weapons produced or ones that are still widely used that you guys can think of, so far i know about the BILL-2, Javelin, ADATS, ERYX, Spike, Milan, Kornet, Shipon, RPG-7 (dont know all the varients) and Bumbar. Thanks

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

ok Im confused here..
What is the difference between the Spike LR and the Spike SR?
range- SpikeSR- 800m, SpikeLR- 4km :D


What do you mean also by replace RPGs, you must mean the Scorpion right?

Scorpion???

[wholagun]

ok Im confused here..
What is the difference between the Spike LR and the Spike SR?
range- SpikeSR- 800m, SpikeLR- 4km :D


What do you mean also by replace RPGs, you must mean the Scorpion right?

Scorpion???

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon1.gif

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/shipon/shipon__1.jpg

sorry I misspelt it, its shipon not Shoripon...my bad

So which is Poland gettting LR or SR? or both?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

So which is Poland gettting LR or SR? or both?

LR and MR (another version, range= 2,5km :D )

[wholagun]

So which is Poland gettting LR or SR? or both?

LR and MR (another version, range= 2,5km :D )

so Poland is getting the LR 4km version
and the MR. the 2.5 km version right?

are both fly by wire?

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

so Poland is getting the LR 4km version
and the MR. the 2.5 km version right?
Yup. :D


are both fly by wire?

I'm not sure, but 2,5km version is probably 'fire and forget'

[Yard Ape]

Ok guys, im trying to research anti-tank wepons. What are all the recent weapons produced or ones that are still widely used that you guys can think of, so far i know about the BILL-2, Javelin, ADATS, ERYX, Spike, Milan, Kornet, Shipon, RPG-7 (dont know all the varients) and Bumbar. Thanks
Would you belive even the NM72 is still out there:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/43.jpg
I don't think anybody uses it agains armour anymore though.

[perdurabo]

so Poland is getting the LR 4km version
and the MR. the 2.5 km version right?
Yup. :D


are both fly by wire?

I'm not sure, but 2,5km version is probably 'fire and forget'
LR or ER wersion will be bought in Israel as cost would be to high to produce in Poland
and MR will be build in Poland (hmm but as someone said here only few parts will be Polish)
All our Spike will be in higher standard version with two types seekers/detectors one for night and one for day (there is cheaper version with day only seeker)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Ok guys, im trying to research anti-tank wepons. What are all the recent weapons produced or ones that are still widely used that you guys can think of, so far i know about the BILL-2, Javelin, ADATS, ERYX, Spike, Milan, Kornet, Shipon, RPG-7 (dont know all the varients) and Bumbar. Thanks

What about LAW? One would think that the M72 in different versions would be quite numerous in the field? M72A6 is the latest I think...

Oh, yard ape got it first :cantbeli:

[Haiw]

Ok guys, im trying to research anti-tank wepons. What are all the recent weapons produced or ones that are still widely used that you guys can think of, so far i know about the BILL-2, Javelin, ADATS, ERYX, Spike, Milan, Kornet, Shipon, RPG-7 (dont know all the varients) and Bumbar. Thanks
Would you belive even the NM72 is still out there:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/43.jpg
I don't think anybody uses it agains armour anymore though.
Still wouldn't want to be sitting in an APC or IFV that gets hit by a LAW... ;)

[FDF_Hemppis]

Ok guys, im trying to research anti-tank wepons. What are all the recent weapons produced or ones that are still widely used that you guys can think of, so far i know about the BILL-2, Javelin, ADATS, ERYX, Spike, Milan, Kornet, Shipon, RPG-7 (dont know all the varients) and Bumbar. Thanks
Would you belive even the NM72 is still out there:
http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/LF/English/Images/2_0/43.jpg
I don't think anybody uses it agains armour anymore though.

Wanna bet? ;)

Just come and see what the regular jaeger in the FDF will be throwing at you when you're not driving a MBT... p-)
There are still many, many things you can blow up with it.

[Yard Ape]

Still wouldn't want to be sitting in an APC or IFV that gets hit by a LAW... ;)True.


Just come and see what the regular jaeger in the FDF will be throwing at you when you're not driving a MBT... p-)
There are still many, many things you can blow up with it.True.

But, when you plan to fight armour you carry better missiles. In to the back of a BMP, this would be murder. M113s have something to fear . . . but there is enough out there that it is probably less than wise to carry this with the intent of fighting armour with it.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Still wouldn't want to be sitting in an APC or IFV that gets hit by a LAW... ;)True.


Just come and see what the regular jaeger in the FDF will be throwing at you when you're not driving a MBT... p-)
There are still many, many things you can blow up with it.True.

But, when you plan to fight armour you carry better missiles. In to the back of a BMP, this would be murder. M113s have something to fear . . . but there is enough out there that it is probably less than wise to carry this with the intent of fighting armour with it.

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, English is a foreign language to me, but you're saying it's not wise to carry one?

Well, carrying a pair of LAW's with you is better than throwing sticks and stones towards the incoming IFV/APC, yes? There aren't that many IFV's which (even) a LAW cannot penetrate, at least from sides and back...

And of course there will be missiles too, if enemy tanks are expected in the area, but ATGM’s are hardly handed out to the “average-joe-the-rifleman” like LAW’s are, and so they defend their existence.

[Yard Ape]

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, English is a foreign language to me, but you're saying it's not wise to carry one?You are close. I think the NM72 should be carried for the multiple tasks that it can perform against bunkers, buildings, trenchs, and as a last resort on light armoured vehicles. However, something heavier should be available as the "planned" weapon to engage light armour; something like AT4.

[FDF_Hemppis]

I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, English is a foreign language to me, but you're saying it's not wise to carry one?You are close. I think the NM72 should be carried for the multiple tasks that it can perform against bunkers, buildings, trenchs, and as a last resort on light armoured vehicles. However, something heavier should be available as the "planned" weapon to engage light armour; something like AT4.

I agree, mostly. I don't think a LAW should be called "a last resort". I sure wouldn't like to try if the IFV (or whatever) I'm sitting in, can really take one in the forehead, so to speak...

But sadly, here in the FDF we don't have anything which would compare with the AT4. We have loads of M72, and the next thing from that is the APILAS, which is maybe (or, then again, maybe not nowadays) a bit overkill for an IFV (not to mention APC), as it is designed to penetrate T-72's front armour (without reactive.

[Yard Ape]

Unfortunatly, Canada does not have something like the AT4 either.

[FDF_Hemppis]

Just to get this one back on the surface, a couple of photos:

Spike:
http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Hemppis/Pstohj2000.jpg

And a pair of APILAS:
http://img49.photobucket.com/albums/v151/Hemppis/Apilaspari.jpg

[fng]

The M72 LAW, aka "The Ranger Key" after Operation Just Cause.

[Uninen]

I just saw this, and i dont know that has somebody mentioned it already..... but the Q on the topic: "Best anti-tank weapon"?......

Theres an "old" saying.. which goes: "another tank is best anti-tank weapon", and i think it still stands true.

Cause, unlike ATGM, the Sabot from the cannon flys fast, and unlike helos and a/c the tank is present in the battle field 24/7, without need to get back to base for re-fuel/arment (tank can be supplied with ammo in the very front, and fuelled "not too far behind"......

And also, every MBT is immune to small arms fire, unlike these "flying things"......

So basicly the weapon it self is: German designed 120mm AT-Gun........ with tungsten core SABOT rounds......

*Edit*


A tank is the best way to destroy another tank.

3rd post on the topic... oh well... some smart people in Israel... ;)

[obd]

wasnt a special forces member fighting in northern Iraq awarded the Silver Star for taking out something like 12 Iraqi tanks and APC's using the Jevelin system?? Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier...... Its just something I heard on the news one day and they showed the award.. I dont know the specifics but perhaps someone here does????

If it is true than for man portable anyway I would want a Javelin system..........

For helocopter I would want the hellfire...... I dont know of any modern tank today that can withstand it..

[Operation Ivy]

hmmmm

[Uninen]

Of those special forces guys with Javelins ive only seen pics of two destroyed vehicles.... one was T-54/55 or Chinese variant, and other was MT-LB......

Not really "marvelous victories" of anykind, as crappy LAW 72 (yeah, LAW is ****, ive got first hand experiences with it....) could have taken out either of those, easily... futhermore i belive that they called planes to take out the rest.....

There is a photo essay of this "battle" on either on Lockheed Martins or Raytheons page..... link to it was posted a while back here on forum, on a topic that discussed that Javelin hitting that "boosted T-72".... :D

[Marsuitor]

I've heard all but praises of Javelin. Third hand information gone from a US Javelin instructor through a friend of mine who was in new ATGM trials for Norway told me (i know it doesn't sound that good :roll:) it has some quite bad software flaws regarding target acquisition. It's a bitch locking it onto anything other than a tank, believed i mentioned some of the GW2 problems in an earlier post. There were reports of Marines actually having to prep a building for a Jav-strike by firing small arms and LAWs at it, to enhance it's outlining and give it more prominent features as otherwise the computer didn't recognise it as a target. Also the fire and forget mode as sole method of firing the weapon did not impress that much either.
I'm inclined to believe this and am quite sure there are much better manportable systems out there. Talking about tank vs. tank being the best, it's much easier to hide infantry than a tank, and the newest weapons are effective out to 4-5000m. Go figure...

[gilgoul]

What does shalom mean? I have a new isreali friend who moved in beside us and I always here him say it? :D

Means "peace" and hello

[Michael RVR]

You could take on an MBT with a CG, and possibly win - but bear in mind you've no hope of outranging it, and not a chance of running from it. In urban environments though, i think it'd be in its element.

Being able to set the HE rounds for different ranges is great (flying claymore anyone?), and the HEDP rounds in delay mode can wipe the insides of structures clean - theres a video around of this as well.

As for the best AT weapon, from what i've heard the Spike is the best. Apparently there was a bit of a bone to pick between SF and the rest of the army, who wanted to by Spike. SF & Army instructors went to a javelin demo and apparently the SF boys bought a heap of units off the shelf - railroading the whole purchasing process.

From what i've heard if not for that more than likely we would have got the spike.

[aixina]

what about copperhead? has it been used in combat?

[Pégase]

VAB Mephisto :

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/vab_vtt/vab_122.jpg



firing a missile HOT :

http://www.chars-francais.net/images/archives/vab_vtt/vab_083.jpg

[digrar]

what about copperhead? has it been used in combat?

Are you talking about the laser guided artillery shell?

[aixina]

YES, i think u can have more than one laser designator workin at once, if so i would't like being in the receiving end of an artillery barrage with those falling from the sky.

[Backis]

http://www.atlantic-research.com/art/17strix350286.jpg

http://www.boforsdefence.com/images/strix2.jpg


STRIX

Fire and Forget.

Indirect fire, no LOS required, and has (in excess of to quote Bofors Defence/SAAB (http://www.boforsdefence.com/eng/products/int3_strix.htm)) 7km range.

STRIX could perhaps be improved with a more sophisticated imaging IRH seeker head, but maybe its smarter to keep them cheap and fire volleys...

[Shogun23]

Hi Lanzas .
In south America , the best AT weapon is a Israeli IAI NIMROD ATGM , used in FFMM de Colombia .

Nimrod is an anti-tank and anti-personnel laser homing missile of 26 km range and pinpoint accuracy. It is easily installed on a variety of ground platforms and helicopters.
On land, it provides standoff strike capability against ground point targets such as tanks, APCs, bunkers, personnel concentrations and guerrillas. A forward scouting team uses a laser designator to direct missiles that are fired from a base up to 26 km behind.

Mounted on light vehicles Abir Type, the system is inherently mobile, and is a natural candidate for rapid-deployment forces. In mobile or fixed shore installations, Nimrod is an excellent coastal defense weapon.

Nimrod is capable of day/night operation. Its flight trajectory can be set below clouds.

PIC Nimrod in Colombia


http://shogun23.webcindario.com/index.html/ejc_nimrod_01.jpg


http://shogun23.webcindario.com/index.html/nimrod_b.jpg

Also use in FFMM Colombia
-Giat Apilas
-Saab Bofors Carl Gustaf 84 mm
-TOW I & II
-Istalaza C-90
-AT 106 mm
-LAW MBT

RGSD

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http://shogun23.webcindario.com/index.html/nimrod_b.jpg

[oldsoak]

I have no doubt its effective - just dont ask me to carry the reloads ok ? :lol:

[mattnwnc03]

a sticky bomb hehe :lol:

[Backis]

a sticky bomb hehe :lol:

The Q is, are men brave/stupid enough to try and use them worth wasting on such an endeavor? ;)

[foxtrot023]

The Vatican`s grenadiers with their antitank weapon:

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/swiss_guard/swissguard/popup/img_pop/1000.jpg

[scrybe]

Those sticks are really pointy, no joke.