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shocker1
08-06-2006, 10:28 PM
The World in Chaos, the President....Gone Fishin'

He’s going on vacation.
Such a job.
There’s a war in the Middle East. Thursday was Israel’s deadliest day yet. Iran is said to be rushing to resupply Hezbollah. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Shiites rallied last week in the largest anti-Israel, pro-Hezbollah demonstration to date. It took place in Baghdad’s largest Shiite district, with the demonstrators dressed in white and waving the Hezbollah trademark yellow flag and shouting “Death to Israel” and burning George Bush and Ehud Olmert in effigy.
Are these the people we’re fighting and dying for? Nice.
There is a war in Iraq that could turn into a civil war anytime now, according to the generals who are running it; where ethnic tensions are worse than they’ve ever been, worse than we expected them to be; where the Iraqi forces have not developed as well as we hoped; where we could be facing increased casualties in Baghdad in the near future.
And then there’s Castro and the uncertain situation in Cuba, where no one knows for sure about the state of the health of the longest serving dictator in the western hemisphere, or how things might be different if his brother were to take control.

You might say the president’s plate is full.
That’s not to mention midterm elections and his historically low approval ratings, which of course are his problem, not the country’s.
Still, the question remains, why would he go on vacation? Or, at least, why now?
And there is only one answer.
Because he wants to.
The “spin” out of the White House is that the president is “cutting” his vacation to 10 days. Seriously, is he really planning to relax with two wars and a possible revolution happening? For only 10 days of course.
Can he really tune everything out so effectively?
And if the answer to that is yes, are we supposed to feel better?
The president’s vacation comes the day after Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld finally found the time to testify before the Senate Armed Services committee, after initially telling committee members that he himself was too busy to come. When he did show up, accompanied by General Peter Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and General John Abizaid , the head of U.S. Central Command, the talk was of possible civil war, higher casualties, and the worst ethnic tensions yet to be seen in the Iraq, along with disappointment in the development in the Iraqi forces and acknowledgment that a year ago, we had no idea we’d be in such bad shape.
Oh happy days. Such a nice going-away present for the president. Clearly, it gave him no pause in leaving for vacation. You might think it would. Or should.
Remember last summer, when the president was in Crawford when Katrina hit. And stayed in Crawford. And stayed in Crawford. And ended up taking a plane ride over the site. Last year, he took a month off, and ended up cutting short his holiday by all of two days. This year, he’s being a positive workaholic by comparison. Even so, two wars and a revolution…
Of course, the answer we’ll be given is that in this modern age, the president can work from anywhere: he can run the country as easily from Crawford, Texas as from Washington DC. Certainly, that’s true in terms of the mechanics of communications or the issuance of executive orders.
Still, what message does it send about what the American president thinks about the urgency of what’s happening in the world right now if he feels comfortable carving out 10 days for ranch work? Whatever the crisis, it can’t be that big.
At least he’s making time next Thursday for a fundraiser. There’s always time for money.
No one wants to begrudge the president the rest he needs to run the country. But maybe he could find some time to get it when there isn’t a war or two going on at the same time. Otherwise, he may find those historically low approval ratings going even lower.
Susan Estrich is currently the Robert Kingsley Professor of Law and Political Science at the University of Southern California and a member of the Board of Contributors of USA Today. She writes the "Portia" column for American Lawyer Media and is a contributing editor of The Los Angeles Times. She was appointed by the president to serve on the National Holocaust Council and by the mayor of the City of Los Angeles to serve on that city's Ethics Commission.
Estrich's books include "Real Rape," "Getting Away with Murder: How Politics Is Destroying the Criminal Justice System," "Dealing with Dangerous Offenders," "Making the Case for Yourself: A Diet Book for Smart Women" and "Sex & Power," currently a Los Angeles Times bestseller.
She served as campaign manager for Michael Dukakis' presidential bid, becoming the first woman to head a U.S. presidential campaign. Estrich appears regularly on the FOX News Channel.

I am sure I am one of many Republicans who are pissed off. Where is the President? The last I saw of him he was telling the White house press core the were getting renovations to the press room. I am thinking the hard ball stance I voted for was a bunch of hot air. I own a buisness and I have not had a vacation for two years. I suggest he wakes up and smells the coffee in the morning. You know if die hard Republicans like me are pissed off things are getting bad. Get a grip Mr. President, not on your fishing pole but on the world that is about to explode.:slap:

Shades of Grey
08-06-2006, 10:38 PM
Well to my knowledge isnt the President basically just a yes no man and the voicepiece of his party?. The people who run your departments know what they are doing and can just ring him for a yes or no.

kaspur_eh
08-06-2006, 10:42 PM
Don't Presidents usually take a vacation in the summer?

I saw on the news that given the situation Bush is only taking 1 or 2 weeks, as opposed to a month or so.

shocker1
08-06-2006, 10:46 PM
Well to my knowledge isnt the President basically just a yes no man and the voicepiece of his party?. The people who run your departments know what they are doing and can just ring him for a yes or no.
Of course he can run the country from Crawford. You must understand though this sends a bad message during a rough time for my party. This is not the time to go on vacation. He deserves time off like anyone else but during this critical time in the middle east he needs to appear totaly engaged.

jmatucd
08-06-2006, 10:55 PM
... oh shut up

let me help you out: george bush war criminal, george bush monkey man, blah blah blah...

ViktorNavorski
08-06-2006, 10:56 PM
The Beltway is usually pretty "empty" this time of year, the entire Congress already left town a short while ago.

HOLLiS
08-06-2006, 10:59 PM
Seesh the President is not the country, there are already so many command and control features in place, One might ask, do we need that office. That office is part of Check and Balance, Oversight of the other two branches...

BTW micromanaging does not work.

shocker1
08-06-2006, 11:01 PM
... oh shut up

let me help you out: george bush war criminal, george bush monkey man, blah blah blah...
You must have me confused with secret tree rodent. I support my President but I can be upset with his job performance.

Bia
08-06-2006, 11:49 PM
You must have me confused with secret tree rodent. I support my President but I can be upset with his job performance.
Nope...if you dont 100% agree and question anything he does that seems like it could be critisized....you're a Terrorist.

You're either with him or against him..... Psycho Repubs have zero middle ground.

;)
lmao

RECON DOC
08-07-2006, 12:02 AM
Nope...if you dont 100% agree and question anything he does that seems like it could be critisized....you're a Terrorist.

You're either with him or against him..... Psycho Repubs have zero middle ground.

;)
lmao

LOL
MYAAH! SEE? SHE'S RIGHT, MYAAH!! YOU'RE A DIRTY COMMIE SEE!!??? p-)

deadhorse
08-07-2006, 12:04 AM
I am a card carrying Republican. I admit he could take care of "affairs" from his ranch, but to me, I just think it sets a bad precedent; sends the wrong message. I have had a difficult time agreeing with much of anything that this administration has done, as of late, and this just exacerbates the issue, IMHO. Not to mention, I am embarrassed that he is from Texas!

shocker1
08-07-2006, 12:13 AM
LOL
MYAAH! SEE? SHE'S RIGHT, MYAAH!! YOU'RE A DIRTY COMMIE SEE!!??? p-)
Nah, I will never vote democrat. Just a pissed off psycho Republican here. :bash:

RECON DOC
08-07-2006, 12:35 AM
Nah, I will never vote democrat. Just a pissed off psycho Republican here. :bash:

lol rofl

You're not the only one, and although I'm neither republican or democrat, I feel your pain my brotha... see?... myaah!!! p-)

Secret Squirrel
08-07-2006, 12:39 AM
You must have me confused with secret tree rodent. I support my President but I can be upset with his job performance.

welcome to reality where, according to some, to question the actions of Bush is considered treason regardless of which political party you follow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/SSSquirrel/mom.gif

shocker1
08-07-2006, 12:44 AM
welcome to reality where, according to some, to question the actions of Bush is considered treason regardless of which political party you follow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/SSSquirrel/mom.gif
LOL, anyone wearing a turtle neck sweater must hate their mother.

Secret Squirrel
08-07-2006, 01:09 AM
LOL, anyone wearing a turtle neck sweater must hate their mother.

you may have a point there.

AFJROTC55
08-07-2006, 01:57 AM
a bad republican is better than a good democrat but Bush is a complete waste of time.

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HOLLiS
08-07-2006, 01:59 AM
Nope...if you dont 100% agree and question anything he does that seems like it could be critisized....you're a Terrorist.

You're either with him or against him..... Psycho Repubs have zero middle ground.

;)
lmao

LOL, sadly psycho Demos are not different.. gads I hate partisan politics......... Maybe there are no sane people in politics. Being a psycho is a prerequisite to be in politics.

2Sheds_Jackson
08-07-2006, 02:06 AM
I don't think some of you are thinking this through all the way. How exactly does this send a bad message? A bad message about what? That he's not available to run the Israel/Lebanon conflict? 'Cause guess what...he's not running it at all, ever, nor should he be. Are we responsible and accountable for everything in the world, 24/7? Because if we are, I want those a-holes to start paying their taxes.

If we allow this conflict to be defined as US vs [insert nation du-jour here] then we will be called upon to make concessions in order to solve the problems. This is the technique that North Korea has tried for the last 5 years, and Iran for the last 3. They want it to be Iran vs. the US or NK vs the US when in reality it is the UN, who has the role of mediator here. NK needs to deal with the 6 parties. Iran needs to deal with the UNSC/IAEA. And Lebanon/Israel needs to deal with the UN. We have a guy at the UN with big hairy balls, his name is Bolton, and he's been briefed.

If the US is the one who sits at the table then the US is the one who will be expected to fork over the $, or troops, or guarantees, or reactors, or fuel, or whatever the frig these no-indoor-plumbing types want this week. No thank you. Mr. President, enjoy the vacation, but keep the cell on.

usm2b
08-07-2006, 03:23 AM
Wait!?! the President is on vacation? Yay for anarchy!!! Oh wait... everything is still being run perfectly fine.

a_very_ex_STAB
08-07-2006, 04:35 AM
welcome to reality where, according to some, to question the actions of Bush is considered treason regardless of which political party you follow.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/SSSquirrel/mom.gif

All warmongering Amerikan neocon fcukwits are 'slapheads'?

AFJROTC55
08-07-2006, 04:40 AM
you say warmongering like its a bad thing, neocon fukwit, i usually get close minded warmongering bigot, but i'll take that too.

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XShipRider
08-07-2006, 06:00 AM
Agree with an earlier post - Congress always seems to go on junkets
and vacations year 'round. Since this war, the one Congress authorized,
started after '01 Congress has yet to cancel their long winter's nap.... er,
I mean break. Their concern is nothing more than window dressing.

The President, on the other hand, can merely pick up a handset in
AF1 to communicate anywhere in the world at will. The man's never
"on vacation" so to speak. This goes for all presidents, not just GW,
they're never on vacation. Why do you think they all leave office
with gray hair?

Firetxmi
08-07-2006, 10:29 AM
Why do you think they all leave office
with gray hair?

Because the f***ing kids are driving them up the wall? Oh wait, that was my dad's excuse! :D

budgie
08-07-2006, 10:31 AM
Seesh the President is not the country, there are already so many command and control features in place, One might ask, do we need that office. That office is part of Check and Balance, Oversight of the other two branches...

BTW micromanaging does not work.

Nor does the President's hands off, carte blanche to Israel approach.

Leading a country is not a normal job so 'It's normal to take a holiday in summer' is no excuse. The world is in crisis, America has a role to play. The President is as usual oblvious to his responsibilities.

Herrmannek
08-07-2006, 10:44 AM
Bush have 5 day vacations... and libs and the other clowns are crying we are doomed... He is its BAD, he is gone its BAD are those punks realy able to make their minds, or they are going to whine like a cat in a washer...

Secret Squirrel
08-07-2006, 11:25 AM
Bush have 5 day vacations... and libs and the other clowns are crying we are doomed... He is its BAD, he is gone its BAD are those punks realy able to make their minds, or they are going to whine like a cat in a washer...

a pug started the thread. But dont worry, we didnt forget about Poland; we simply dont care.:D

Geezah
08-07-2006, 11:31 AM
LOL, anyone wearing a turtle neck sweater must hate their mother.


I was always told years ago, never trust a man with a beard;)

Geezah
08-07-2006, 11:31 AM
All warmongering Amerikan neocon fcukwits are 'slapheads'?

I'm not, I have a healthy head of hair................

Macs.
08-07-2006, 11:38 AM
a bad republican is better than a good democrat but Bush is a complete waste of time.

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A nice black and white view of the world makes things so easy... !

Durandal
08-07-2006, 12:01 PM
Well to my knowledge isnt the President basically just a yes no man and the voicepiece of his party?. The people who run your departments know what they are doing and can just ring him for a yes or no.

Actually, the President is not the voice piece to the party...quite the contrary.

The President is a branch of government and while he may run on a party ticket, he locks horns a lot of times with Congress who have their special groups to kow-tow to. The President is above that and only bows to the most powerful of corporations and while Congress may bend to the same ones, they also bend to MANY smaller ones as well, regardless of public opinion.

p-)

That said, the President's vacation is not going to effect any of this.

FDR took plenty of vacation time before and during World War II. Though for a dude on his 4th term and suffering from polio not nearly as many. He only took about 915 days out of his over 4400 days as President. Bush has taken who knows how many...around 500-ish? Which should be more than his dad by the end of his last term.

shocker1
08-07-2006, 12:54 PM
a pug started the thread. But dont worry, we didnt forget about Poland; we simply dont care.:D
I am taking the pug remark as an insult you nut sucking tree rodent you.p-) All in good fun though. Some of you are missing the point.
Appearances are everything in an election year. I am all for vacations but dam this is the worst time to add fuel to the dem's fire. If all this turns out better before November fine I will eat crow. BTW if Bush was able to run again he would have my vote. So I can support him while at the same time grading his current performance. He could be keeping a low profile so as not to hurt Republicans running in November though. Humm back to work.:|

CPL Trevoga
08-07-2006, 01:57 PM
Of course he can run the country from Crawford. You must understand though this sends a bad message during a rough time for my party. This is not the time to go on vacation. He deserves time off like anyone else but during this critical time in the middle east he needs to appear totaly engaged.

I think he is sending a right message. Let the Isralis finnish off Hezballah. What can he do? President Clinton tried for years with no avail, it's a waste of time, better off bass fishin' than wasting time negotiating.

Let's give war a chance!

Geezah
08-07-2006, 02:15 PM
I think he is sending a right message. Let the Isralis finnish off Hezballah. What can he do? President Clinton tried for years with no avail, it's a waste of time, better off bass fishin' than wasting time negotiating.

Let's give war a chance!

I agree, I think he has applied the same mentality to North Korea, why sit down with them and give them what they want when they give nothing in return.

ElHombre
08-07-2006, 05:13 PM
The World in Chaos, the President....Gone Fishin'

I am sure I am one of many Republicans who are pissed off. Where is the President? The last I saw of him he was telling the White house press core the were getting renovations to the press room. I am thinking the hard ball stance I voted for was a bunch of hot air. I own a buisness and I have not had a vacation for two years. I suggest he wakes up and smells the coffee in the morning. You know if die hard Republicans like me are pissed off things are getting bad. Get a grip Mr. President, not on your fishing pole but on the world that is about to explode.:slap:

he's not fishing. he's bike riding (http://today.reuters.co.uk/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=reutersEdge&storyID=2006-08-07T080835Z_01_NOA729254_RTRUKOC_0_WITNESS-BUSH.xml).

"What I would give to be 16 again!" Bush yelled out at one point as he mashed the pedals of his Trek bicycle through a wooded area.

In fact, Bush does not ride quietly, constantly shouting out in his Texas twang the names of trees and geographic features and yelling at himself to pedal faster.

"Air assault!" he yelled as he started one of two major climbs...

yes, our president is actually yelling out, "Air assault!" as he rides a bicycle.

Geezah
08-07-2006, 05:40 PM
yes, our president is actually yelling out, "Air assault!" as he rides a bicycle.

So, where's the harm in that, just because you don't means what?

Would you prefer "BONZAI"?

Pandy
08-07-2006, 06:35 PM
I agree, I think he has applied the same mentality to North Korea, why sit down with them and give them what they want when they give nothing in return.

That's the way I been feelin. Let em finish that organization off and it'll be over.

annihilation
08-07-2006, 06:39 PM
I understand why people would be pissed off. But lets look at this way. The world situation is getting worse, do you really want the president getting involved. Lets face it, the man does everything half ass and anything he touches is ****ed up. Why in hell would you want him in a volatile situation like lebanon and israel when you seen what he can do in Iraq?

Its best if he stays at his ranch and cuts down some trees and pretends to be a working man. I wouldn't trust the guy to tend to my vegetable garden.

annihilation
08-07-2006, 06:41 PM
That's the way I been feelin. Let em finish that organization off and it'll be over.

Do you honestly think Israel will be able to finish off Hezbollah off militarily?

(odd my outlook spellchecker knows how to spell Hezbollah)

DB-ERAUPilot
08-07-2006, 07:56 PM
I understand why people would be pissed off. But lets look at this way. The world situation is getting worse, do you really want the president getting involved. Lets face it, the man does everything half ass and anything he touches is ****ed up. Why in hell would you want him in a volatile situation like lebanon and israel when you seen what he can do in Iraq?

Its best if he stays at his ranch and cuts down some trees and pretends to be a working man. I wouldn't trust the guy to tend to my vegetable garden.


LOL.... thanks I needed the laugh rofl

pistol
08-07-2006, 08:09 PM
W is on vacation? How can anyone tell?

Popdivtweet
08-08-2006, 07:16 AM
how can you tell?

because he's not on TV making an arse of himself.

probably stashed away by his handlers while they come up with some new B.S. to feed the media.

budgie
08-08-2006, 08:27 AM
So, where's the harm in that, just because you don't means what?

Would you prefer "BONZAI"?

Are you perhaps confusing the Japanese Nationalist catch call of 'Banzai' with the small, easily groomed pine-like shrub known as the Bonsai tree?

Geezah
08-08-2006, 09:37 AM
Are you perhaps confusing the Japanese Nationalist catch call of 'Banzai' with the small, easily groomed pine-like shrub known as the Bonsai tree?

Perhaps or not, afterall, screaming "AIRBORNE" while on a push bike would have as much affect as screaming "BONZAI";)