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PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 12:20 PM
Some images of one of the most powerful militaries that roamed in Persia.They no longer exist but I will take the time to post some images and information.

http://www.youtube.com/v/E-YCVHHpOkM

http://rescueattempt.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/shah-in-uniform.jpg

Over 200 F-16's ordered [Currently in Israeli service]
http://www.iranian.com/Pictory/2005/April/Images/iiaf.jpg

Shir/Iran 2 originally planned for service with the Iranian forces. After the Iranian Revolution the Shir Iran 2 project was taken over by the British Army and the end result was Challenger later redesignated as Challenger 1.[Currently in Jordanian Service]
http://www.armedforces.co.uk/army/listings/armychallenger1b.jpg
The KIDD class are the most powerful multi-purpose destroyers in the fleet. The four ships of this class, originally designed for sale to the then-friendly Imperial Iranian Navy.[Currently in Taiwanese Service]
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/dd993-kidd.jpg

Over 200 ordered F-14's.Less than 100 delivered order was taken over by the USN.[Currently being retired by the USN,Some still fly by the terrorist Iranian Government]
http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/Isfahan%20pilots%20with%20F-14_JPG.jpg

1200 British-maded Chieftain tanks
http://www.mainbattletanks.czweb.org/Tanky/chief_4.jpg

The Imperial Army was loyal to the Shah and the Imperial family of Iran.Thus must of them were executed during the terrorist take over of Iran.
Here are some hero's executed by the Mullahs.

http://www.imperialforces.org/genayatmohagheghi.jpg
In Memory of Great Iranian Air Force Top Gun Hero General Ayat Mohagheghi (executed by Islamic Clerical Mafia Regime in July 1980)

http://www.imperialforces.org/famille.jpg
In Memory of Prince Shahryar Shafigh, a great Iranian

http://www.iiaf.net/homepageshah.jpg

Over 200 F-4's
http://www.iiaf.net/archive/aircraft/images/IIAFF-4Eontanker_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/images/reza_jpg.jpg

May ex-Imperial forces personel trained in Britain and in the US.Many are still there to this day waiting to return home.
http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/AbassnejadiInLackland_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/images/AlaghaManaSoleimani_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/images/generals_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/Rohani%20Gen%20Prade%201354_jpg.jpg

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 01:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/3Hri57AlVbY

Ch-47's

http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/iran/Iranian_CH-47_17500_ft.jpg

http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/iran/IIAA_CH-47C_5-4059.jpg

http://www.chinook-helicopter.com/history/aircraft/iran/IIAF_CH-47C_5-382.jpg

Cobra Helicopter gunships
http://www.iranian.com/News/Jan99/Images/cobra.jpg

Secret nuclear weapons program.The US gave Iran there first Nuclear reactor.The Shah had a secret nuclear program underneath the US's nose and the worlds.
http://www.brethren.org/genbd/washofc/images/NuclearExplosion.jpg

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 01:41 PM
http://alineshat.com/images/logo1.jpg

Imperial Iranian Commando's
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/iran/ir05_01b.jpg

Iranian women served proudly in the Imperial Forces
http://www.iranchamber.com/podium/society/images/041115_women_officer_iran_airforce.jpg

Imperial Iranian Air Force F-14 Tomcats
http://www.topedge.com/panels/aircraft/sites/mats/f14-squadron-logo-iiaf.gif

Imperial Pilots with American Blue Angels
http://www.blueangels.org/Album/People/Iran1.jpg

TuNeRsHaRk
08-10-2006, 02:02 PM
seems iran has changed in the last couple years....

welshmann
08-10-2006, 02:16 PM
nices pics m8.be intrested about any info if the Chieftain is still used???any pics would be great BY anyone but got to be a date quite not long ago,Challenger never reached iran?due to the overthrow?(thank god cause its a dam good tank & its followings)

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 02:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/sBxR1f8ULRA

No none of the Shir/Iran 2 later re named Challenger 1 after the British Army took over the project never reached Iran after the 1979 take over by a terrorist governemnt.

Here are some Chieftains which were used in great effect during the Iran-Iraq war

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war20.jpg

Iranian M-109 Self Propelled Howitzers
http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war21.jpg

Although I do not support the current Terrorist regime I do respect the warriors who fought valiantly against the Iraqi invasion.Many Imperial Pilots and soldiers were thrown out of jail cells and sent to the front lines and into the air to do battle.

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war27.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war28.jpg

http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war29.jpg

Here is an Iranian Chinook which went down in Iraq during a special forces incursion into Iraqi territory.It was later discovered by US troops in 2002.
http://iranatom.ru/media/iri/war/war22.jpg

welshmann
08-10-2006, 02:30 PM
no1 can disrespect a STANDING army that protects its country,nice pics...this quicktime ****,ive got quicktime but just see the quicktime sign on a lot of posts but fcuck all happens... got a link for this Chieftain vid?

TR1
08-10-2006, 02:33 PM
very nice pictures....
did such expensive purchases dislocate the Iranina economy at the time?
didn't the Shah also purchase a couple of Concordes for his airlines?

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 02:37 PM
Here is a nice video that shows great footage of the Imperial Forces and then the decline when the mullahs take over.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1061875785279524501&q=Imperial+Iran

Also we had to sustain a strong military.We had a Super power next to us the USSR.MiG-25 Foxbats would regurlarly violate Iranian Airspace.Once we received F-14's this stopped.

http://www.imperialforces.org/FREEDOM

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 02:44 PM
very nice pictures....
did such expensive purchases dislocate the Iranina economy at the time?
didn't the Shah also purchase a couple of Concordes for his airlines?

Correct.We were even financing the F-17 project modern day F/A-18.

HorrigEn
08-10-2006, 05:52 PM
I dont like this kind of pics...smells like ****

http://alineshat.com/images/logo1.jpg

otheres are nice ...

Ordie
08-10-2006, 06:01 PM
I understand that Iran had Scorpion Tanks.
Many were captured by the Iraqis then passed on to the Jordanians who then just recently passed them back to Iraq.

jmcmtank
08-10-2006, 06:40 PM
Video (http://mehdis.com/Flashnews/Video%20Clips/Tanke%20Sakhte%20Iran.wmv) of Iranian Chieftain upgrade. Slooow server but worth the wait.

peck191
08-10-2006, 07:12 PM
nice pics PersianPrince, thanks

gaijinsamurai
08-10-2006, 08:19 PM
Thanks for posting, PersianPrince. We don't see those types of pics very often.

nu4idf
08-10-2006, 09:04 PM
Iran used to be one of the brightest culturaly vibrant states in the middle east! too bad they let the phsycos take over. Are there still shas supporters in Iran or any government leaders around from those days when Iran was mainstream?

C.MAXIMUS
08-10-2006, 09:13 PM
Nice pics ! I like the results of the pool "98% voted in favor of replacing the monarchy with the newly-proposed form of government" Strikingly similar results today still common ground in the middle east...p-)

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 09:36 PM
There are still many people loyal to the Imperial dynasty and for a democratic Iran.Were the Imperial family is a figure head such as in Britain for the Royal family or in Japan of the Emperor.With a democraticly elected head.

We are an Empire held hostage.

http://www.youtube.com/v/brk6j2XuwTg

PersianPrince
08-10-2006, 09:49 PM
Imperial Iranian Air Force CH-53 over New York city
http://aryamehr.org/eng/iia/iin/usa.jpg

Imperial Commando's training with the crack Royal Marines
http://www.iinavy.org/images/mirsepanj/takavar3.jpg

http://www.iinavy.org/images/mirsepanj/takavar2.jpg

http://www.iinavy.org/images/mirsepanj/takavar4.jpg

Imperial Army
http://www.iinavy.org/images/mirsepanj/takavar5.jpg

Shah in Washington with Jimmy Carter
http://news.1918.com/images/role_of_us_former_pres_carter_emerging_in_illegal_financial_demands_on_shah_of_iran.jpg

http://www.sarbazan.com/sarbazan/images/saan3.jpg

http://www.sarbazan.com/sarbazan/images/1184.jpg

Iranian women in the Imperial Army
http://www.aryamehr.org/eng/iia/iigf/pic/5.jpg

dewafrost
08-10-2006, 09:54 PM
my god.... are those pic your personnal collection??? most of them waaas taken during the shah iran era....

Apathy
08-10-2006, 10:02 PM
This sounds like Prince of Persia where the evil nutcase *****s ***** up and sends his sand monsters to kill those who oppose him or turn them in to sand monsters. BUT soon the Prince will come with his infected left arm and save the empire.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/3239/princeofpersiathetwothrones3fz2.jpg

kraf001
08-11-2006, 12:06 AM
Iran used to be one of the brightest culturaly vibrant states in the middle east! too bad they let the phsycos take over. Are there still shas supporters in Iran or any government leaders around from those days when Iran was mainstream?

LOL... are you out of your mind if Shah's Iran was the heaven you talk about there was no need for a Savak or the 1952 coup... mainstream Iran is still culturally vibrant but not flawless... before revolution Westerners had only access to the "good" side of Iran and after revolution they have only access to the "bad" side... Iran socially/academically/politically is way more advanced than in Shah era…

Imperial army of shah was a nice looking army that cost us billions of dollars that we could have spent on something worthwhile... we all saw how Shah gave up Bahrain just because his British masters wanted it!.. the same brave soldiers who were forced to listen to foreigners in Shah era fought the Iraqi invaders and lost their lives for Iran not the unwanted monarchy ...

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 12:28 AM
LOL... are you out of your mind if Shah's Iran was the heaven you talk about there was no need for a Savak or the 1952 coup... mainstream Iran is still culturally vibrant but not flawless... before revolution Westerners had only access to the "good" side of Iran and after revolution they have only access to the "bad" side... Iran socially/academically/politically is way more advanced than in Shah era…

Imperial army of shah was a nice looking army that cost us billions of dollars that we could have spent on something worthwhile... we all saw how Shah gave up Bahrain just because his British masters wanted it!.. the same brave soldiers who were forced to listen to foreigners in Shah era fought the Iraqi invaders and lost their lives for Iran not the unwanted monarchy ...

Why don't you live there then and stop drinking your coffee as you sit in Berlin,Quebec or New York.Iran is over 2,000 years of Monarchy.This will only be a blip in the history books so get over it and stop crying go live with your Arab masters in Iran and wear those rags.

Look how advanced Iran is today under Terrorist mullahs.

An ape and a gorilla
http://media.bonnint.net/apimage/XHS10204101202.jpg

:bash: :bash:

ZeroZen
08-11-2006, 01:06 AM
lol rofl rofl

kraf001
08-11-2006, 01:15 AM
Why don't you live there then and stop drinking your coffee as you sit in Berlin,Quebec or New York.Iran is over 2,000 years of Monarchy.This will only be a blip in the history books so get over it and stop crying go live with your Arab masters in Iran and wear those rags.

Look how advanced Iran is today under Terrorist mullahs.

An ape and a gorilla
http://media.bonnint.net/apimage/XHS10204101202.jpg

:bash: :bash:
oh the illusion of living in a country that looks nice to foreigners.. spoken like a true Shah lover...
I hold my terrorist Iranian citizenship with pride.. don't disrespect a person like Cyrus by associating him to a coward like Muhammad Reza... have fun while bunch of foreigners go WOW on your old pictures... me and you both know he was no better than these Mullahs (I can even argue he was way worse)!

stuntman
08-11-2006, 01:25 AM
Look how advanced Iran is today under Terrorist mullahs.

An ape and a gorilla
***** that was snappy!
LOL good one..

By the way Maybe(or not)
Kraf001has a point, but the pride in the posted pictures looks authentic..
Great pics.. and thx.

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 02:09 AM
Kraft stop hijacking my thread just as your arab bretheren have hijacked my country.

King of Kings

http://www.imperialforces.org/mohammad_rezashah1.jpg

http://www.imperialforces.org/pahlavi6.jpg

http://badraie.com/images/shahfarah.JPG

http://www.imperialforces.org/photo68.jpg

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/24-0520a.gif
Empress of Iran with Rosalynn Carter

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/30-0451a.gif
President Nixon with Shah

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/30-0020a.gif

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/30-0019a.gif

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/04-0120a.gif
Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, President Kennedy, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara

http://parstimes.com/history/shah_us/shah_jfk_jackie_01.jpg
President Kennedy and Mrs. Kennedy with the Shah

uTu
08-11-2006, 02:30 AM
Great thread PersianPrince. A lot of info not commonly told, cheers

khukuri
08-11-2006, 04:52 AM
Kraft stop hijacking my thread just as your arab bretheren have hijacked my country.


How de we arabs get into your internal problems you racist moron

MoFo
08-11-2006, 06:44 AM
Yeah I noticed that comment:bash:

Ordie
08-11-2006, 06:50 AM
If it weren't for the Shah coup against Mohammed Mossadegh, Iran would have been a much different place today.

Even with the best army, air force and navy, the Shah could not save his country.

Jani.R
08-11-2006, 06:55 AM
If it weren't for the Shah coup against Mohammed Mossadegh, Iran would have been a much different place today.

Even with the best army, air force and navy, the Shah could not save his country.

They don't help much when the general population is pissed.

CruddyLeper
08-11-2006, 06:55 AM
Look how advanced Iran is today under Terrorist mullahs.




Well, Iran now manufactures it's own MBT, the Zulfiqar. Something it could never have done with the Shah running the show.

I do not wish to be seen defending the Islamic Revolution - much misery and death was caused by that.

But there has been technological and industrial progress. This cannot be denied.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_249.shtml

That parade also shows a Chieftan, so it looks like a few survived the Iraqi invasion.

kraf001
08-11-2006, 07:09 AM
Well, Iran now manufactures it's own MBT, the Zulfiqar. Something it could never have done with the Shah running the show.

I do not wish to be seen defending the Islamic Revolution - much misery and death was caused by that.

But there has been technological and industrial progress. This cannot be denied.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_249.shtml

That parade also shows a Chieftan, so it looks like a few survived the Iraqi invasion.
PrinceofPerisa is a typical "exile".. I am not sure but I guess he is young seeing how he calls me Arab because I don't agree that "Western look" makes a country great..

while Iran currently lags behind a lot of nations politically and economically but considering that it went through a revolution and 8 years of war plus constant sanctions nobody can claim that Iran hasn't been progressive..

even the members of Imperial army themselves confess that during Shah era they weren't allowed to touch a jet fighter without American's permission.. today Iran maintains its American fighter fleet with no help from Americans...

although the results of revolution might be far from what was intended by the revolutionaries the fact that so many Iranian wanted him gone so badly should be a very good indicator of his leadership!..

Holycrusader
08-11-2006, 08:07 AM
I was in Iran and I can only confirm what Kraf just said. Iran make a progress. its more democratic than was when Shah reigns...

Shah was one of those dictator bastards. Something like less smart Pinochet. Lots of blood on his hands. He spend lots of money only to please the Western powers
Do you believe that he call the money of Iran "pahlavids"?

NimDod
08-11-2006, 09:35 AM
thanks for posting this thread.

I'm curious.
how many Persian exiles are there?
Is there any opposition to the current Iranian Goverment / Mullah's / Ruleres inside Iran?
and if there is, so what are they doing?
I'd like to know more.

kraf001
08-11-2006, 09:45 AM
thanks for posting this thread.

I'm curious.
how many Persian exiles are there?

there are around 25 million Iranians living aboard, obviously not all of them are exiles.. we have two major group of exiles the bunch who ran away from Shah and the ones who ran away after revolution... I don't think the number of "actual" exiles would go over a million but that is just a guess!


Is there any opposition to the current Iranian Goverment / Mullah's / Ruleres inside Iran?
and if there is, so what are they doing?
you should make it clear what you mean by opposition.. then we can start naming groups!..

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 01:54 PM
Well, Iran now manufactures it's own MBT, the Zulfiqar. Something it could never have done with the Shah running the show.

I do not wish to be seen defending the Islamic Revolution - much misery and death was caused by that.

But there has been technological and industrial progress. This cannot be denied.

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_249.shtml

That parade also shows a Chieftan, so it looks like a few survived the Iraqi invasion.

You realize the whole Islamic Army has all of Shah's weaponry that he purchased yet at the same time after Friday prayers they say death to the West death to America.

The Zulfiquar or what ever the hell it is called is not even a real tank.It is always on a flat bed truck being moved.Or it is stationary.Believe this propaganda if you like.

Also by god in some what odd 30 years I hope Iran would advance.Know are biggest export are Pistachio nuts and oil.Oh world look at our triumph rofl

Shah's white revolution
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/white_revolution/images/shah_white_revolution1.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/Times/Subs/Revolution/Jan99/Images/6bahman.jpg
Giving peasents there own land for free to farm and work on.

http://www.sarbazan.com/images/armedf1.jpg

http://www.sarbazan.com/images/sardaranwtxt.JPG

Imperial Army
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqXv3oEc1fA

Fakum12
08-11-2006, 02:36 PM
[...]
you should make it clear what you mean by opposition.. then we can start naming groups!..
At last, it seems that this thread is getting interesting!

As far as I understand it, there are no political parties or independent media, right?
So this would leave revolutionary (mil.) or "civil disobedience" as opposition.
And I doubt also (but I have no proof), that there is any real revolutionary movement in the security/military forces.
That would only leave the "civil disobedience" as opposition (which can be quite powerful, just think of the east/west germany reunion)...

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 04:50 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/348/000059171/shah-sized.jpg

http://www.saipa.us/tribute.jpg

http://www.saipa.us/pilots2.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/cobra.gif

http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/ChinookCH47Ca.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/F14AtaxiKhatamiAFBa.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/f4d.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/3%20F14Aa.jpg

P-3 Orion
http://www.iranian.com/History/April99/Airforce/Images/navyP3AOriona.jpg

http://www.iranian.com/Nostalgia/2001/April/Images/navy.jpg

CruddyLeper
08-11-2006, 06:03 PM
You realize the whole Islamic Army has all of Shah's weaponry that he purchased ...

?????????? 8 years of continuous war and they never lost a single weapon?




....yet at the same time after Friday prayers they say death to the West death to America.

Widely publicised and even a source of humour for at least one comedian.




The Zulfiquar or what ever the hell it is called is not even a real tank.It is always on a flat bed truck being moved.Or it is stationary.Believe this propaganda if you like.



It has been observed moving quite well under it's own steam. M60 chassis. I suppose you think their ballistic missiles have to be carried to the target?




Also by god in some what odd 30 years I hope Iran would advance.Know are biggest export are Pistachio nuts and oil.Oh world look at our triumph rofl



So what? Progress is progress. Would you rather the chief export was ***********, cocaine or heroin?




Shah's white revolution
http://www.iranchamber.com/history/white_revolution/images/shah_white_revolution1.jpg


Suggest you look up SAVAK to see that the Shah wasn't as popular as you believe... indeed, the words "despotic murdering tyrant" comes to mind.

A line lasting 2,000 years? I suggest you write your own history book, because none of the current ones seem to list any of these "facts".

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 06:31 PM
Kid this is a "militaryPhotos" forum if you want to talk politics make your own thread.I'm an old man and I don't have time for this bull from foreigners that know nothing.

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 06:43 PM
http://www.iiaf.net/history/commemorates/shahiiaf1.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/history/commemorates/Gen.%20khatam.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/history/commemorates/Genjahanbani.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/Abdolazimi5214course_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/Makoi-Dehnadi-Sadeghpour-Sadeghi_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/Class%2013%20Pilots%20School_jpg.jpg

When the Shah would visit the IIAF Airfields you can see the proud look in his eyes and how good he felt it was very encouraging to the men.
http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/ShahKhatamRohani_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/Personnel2/images/31St_TFSQShahroukhiPilots2_jpg.jpg

http://www.iiaf.net/archive/personnel/images/babaei_jpg.jpg

Nagan
08-11-2006, 07:14 PM
Living in the past huh?

Actually, Iran is starting to export cars under the "Samand" brand, by Khodro Ind.Group, they are starting exports to Russia, opening a pruduction line in Belarus. That's cooperation without political red tape for ya.

Maybe you want to buy one?

http://www.ikco.com/products/samand.aspx

joedirt
08-11-2006, 07:19 PM
please read this book before you go on your pro shah lovefest

the guy was a inept tyrant that deserved to go its a shame it didnt goto a true
democratic govt but the shah was not a good guy.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0471265179.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

PersianPrince
08-11-2006, 07:47 PM
I lived in Iran half my life.I do not need a bunch of foreigners who have not stepped foot in Iran let alone find it on a map tell me that Shah was a tyrant because he wasn't.

There are alot of links in the internet that call for example no disrespect intended America the "Great Satan" and all this crap.But I have been to America and I know that not on every street corner there is a shoot out with gangs and police and so forfth.So believe what you want it doesn't hurt me any.

I know about the Sammand and all of that.This is all rather pathetic considering Belgium has a bigger GDP than Iran which is pretty sad so go on leaving in your fantasy world Mullah terrorist supporters.

Show some respect to the dead Iranians who have died for freedom against a tyrant regime that has taken over Iran :bash:

Warning some what Graphic-Truth of the evil regime that has hijacked my country.

http://www.youtube.com/v/zLf5c_smnVI

CruddyLeper
08-11-2006, 08:11 PM
Show some respect to the dead Iranians who have died for freedom against a tyrant regime that has taken over Iran :bash:


Kind of difficult when you deny the atrocities that went with the regime you praise.

English have a saying, "warts and all", dating from when our very own military dictator - Oliver Cromwell - had his portrait painted. He insisted the artist leave his facial warts on the finished work.

Why can't you do the same?

GiladS
08-11-2006, 08:19 PM
Kind of difficult when you deny the atrocities that went with the regime you praise.


Not taking any sides or anything, but it should be noted that the UK is responsible (for the most part) for the Shah's rise to power.

CruddyLeper
08-11-2006, 08:21 PM
True. We had more than a hand in it.

I've written my words, I promise to leave your thread alone now PersianPrince.

C.MAXIMUS
08-11-2006, 08:22 PM
Living in the past huh?

Actually, Iran is starting to export cars under the "Samand" brand, by Khodro Ind.Group, they are starting exports to Russia, opening a pruduction line in Belarus. That's cooperation without political red tape for ya.

Maybe you want to buy one?

http://www.ikco.com/products/samand.aspx

Without past we do not have future, just look at this clown now ... he clearly does not remember Iran Iraq war ... :bash:

Production line in Belarus ??? thats says it all

kraf001
08-11-2006, 08:27 PM
Not taking any sides or anything, but it should be noted that the UK is responsible (for most part) for the Shah's rise to power.
Britain, US and Israel (not every Iranian hates Israel because they are in war with Muslims most of us have little love for the country due to more historical reasons while prior to 1952 coup and establishment of Savak Iranians showed nothing but good will towards Jews and Israel they managed to screw us over and over) are responsible for Shah staying in power... BUT one thing that always gets ignored in history/politics is that Russians had a hand in the situation too.. years after being under house arrest Mossadegh told his close friends if Russians bought Iranian oil even for half price in Northern sea his government would have been stronger and withstand the coup... but the reason for ignoring this fact is that Western powers use “Mossadegh had soviet ambitions” as an excuse for the coup!

kraf001
08-11-2006, 08:34 PM
Without past we do not have future, just look at this clown now ... he clearly does not remember Iran Iraq war ... :bash:

Production line in Belarus ??? thats says it all

you are missing the point the Samand is an example of how Shah was turning Iran into another dependent country like Saudi Arabia which is unable to make anything without paying millions to foreigners... but Iran has moved away from that path!

my dad used to own a Chevy from Shah era.. the Chevy (I think it was Chevrolet Nova) came out from the Chevy production line in Iran and it had a label in Farsi at the back saying "Iranian Chevrolet" embarrassing to say but that piece of metal was the only Iranian thing in that car... now we have production line for French and Japanese cars in Iran which started by producing 20% of the car in Iran now it is passing the boundary of 60% in only 5 years... there is a very high chance that if any of you own a Peugeot 206 it was built in Iran... Iran even sells cheaper parts to BMW and Ferrari! (not talking engines here)

kraf001
08-11-2006, 08:41 PM
I find it disturbing that PrinceofPersia talks about Western weaponry as if they were gifts to Shah.. someone should remind him that Shah paid/overpaid 17 billion USD (correct me if I am wrong) from ppl's oil money for the weapons most of them we didn't need at the time (it is just luck that war with Iraq happened and there is no way he would have calculated that)... while Iranian engineers have shown to be more than capable of maintaining Iranian army stuff Shah decided to get foreigners to do the maintaining as well while he could have saved billions.. that is not all in addition he paid another loss, a whole country called "Bahrain" on orders from his British masters..

I have little doubt that if Iran-Iraq war happened during Shah era he wouldn't have fought to get the land back unless Americans or British gave him permission also those three Iranian islands would have been given to UAE on silver platter because that is the way British want it but can't do it as the Shah is gone...

C.MAXIMUS
08-11-2006, 09:02 PM
I find it disturbing that PrinceofPersia talks about Western weaponry as if they were gifts to Shah.. someone should remind him that Shah paid/overpaid 17 billion USD (correct me if I am wrong) from ppl's oil money for the weapons most of them we didn't need at the time (it is just luck that war with Iraq happened and there is no way he would have calculated that)... while Iranian engineers have shown to be more than capable of maintaining Iranian army stuff Shah decided to get foreigners to do the maintaining as well while he could have saved billions.. that is not all in addition he paid another loss, a whole country called "Bahrain" on orders from his British masters..

I have little doubt that if Iran-Iraq war happened during Shah era he wouldn't have fought to get the land back unless Americans or British gave him permission also those three Iranian islands would have been given to UAE on silver platter because that is the way British want it but can't do it as the Shah is gone...

Sorry Kraf001, you seem all wise about the "new" route Iran has taken ... enlighten us about hezbollah ... I am very curious to see your explanation ... as well a little bit about Salman Rushdie ... or maybe the faith of the Kurds ...

Nothing personal mate but I think you have to open your eyes ...

NimDod
08-11-2006, 09:59 PM
there are around 25 million Iranians living aboard, obviously not all of them are exiles.. we have two major group of exiles the bunch who ran away from Shah and the ones who ran away after revolution... I don't think the number of "actual" exiles would go over a million but that is just a guess!

you should make it clear what you mean by opposition.. then we can start naming groups!..

thanks for answering.

by opposition I ment both political opposition (if there is any) and armed opposition (I remember hearing that there are some armed group fighting the Iranian army a few month ago, but I really dont know much about it).
Is it allowed to critisize the religious rules of Iran like in democratic countries?

Im not trying to hijack this thread, Im just curious how Iran who used to be allied with the west became its enemy after the revolution.

Apathy
08-11-2006, 10:27 PM
please read this book before you go on your pro shah lovefest

the guy was a inept tyrant that deserved to go its a shame it didnt goto a true
democratic govt but the shah was not a good guy.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0471265179.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

An American Coup? This was a very British coup if I recall correctly.

PersianPrince
08-12-2006, 12:51 AM
An American Coup? This was a very British coup if I recall correctly.

The book is nothing but propaganda BS.The Shah was a good and noble man.Had he stayed in power Iran would be a Super Power today.It may seem hysterical know considering Iran's economy is dwarfed by that of Belgium.No disrespect to any Belgiums just using this fine nation as an example.

OUR LIGHT OF THE ARYANS HIS IMPERIAL MAJESTY SHAHANSHAH ARYAMEHR. HIS LEGACY LIVES ON FOR ETERNITY. WE THE CHILDREN OF PERSIA WILL FOLLOW IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF OUR GREAT KINGS THROUGHOUT OUR GLORIOUS HISTORY IN PRESERVING OUR GREAT IRANIAN CULTURE AND NEVER NEELING TO THE MULLAH ANTIIRANIANISM

http://www.semp.us/biots/images/Biot137PhotoB.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/v/227QbxsCF-4

Ordie
08-12-2006, 01:14 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if Persian Nationalism is much more dangerous than what we have today in Iran? It seems that Persians are out to rule the world.

If the Shah was such a noble man, why did he get kicked out?

Honest question.

BTW, I personally knew the Shah's Italian Chef. The former Shah was fond of Cappuchino in the wee hours of the morning. According to the Chef, he was kind man but aloof about the real conditions within his country. As for the Shah's son, he has nice website and a suit, but nothing else. Most Iranian-Americans avoid politics and accept the status quo. Many hold Mohammed Mossadegh, deposed by the Shah, in high esteem much more than the former Shah or the current leaders.

kraf001
08-12-2006, 01:27 AM
Sorry Kraf001, you seem all wise about the "new" route Iran has taken ... enlighten us about hezbollah ... I am very curious to see your explanation ... as well a little bit about Salman Rushdie ... or maybe the faith of the Kurds ...

Nothing personal mate but I think you have to open your eyes ...

well my eyes are wide open.. you are just moving the goal posts here, the argument in this thread is not to say how saint the current Iranian government is but we are talking about somebody glorifying a ***** like Shah.. no matter how bad the current government is it shouldn't and doesn't change the fact that Shah was an evil dictator and a Western puppet!

now if we talk about the general path that Iran is taking now then you have to agree the core idea is a noble one that tries to make Iran an independent state (something Shah was trying to do the exact opposite of) BUT it is true that the ppl who currently wield power in Iran do stall the process with their flawed domestic and international policies...

having a proxy like Hezbollah is not a tactic only used by Iran (well maybe Persians were the first to use such tactics in olden days but we are talking about the modern form)... a lot of other countries that have a claim on being democratic and peace lover have had evil proxies doing their dirty work... while I don't agree with this tactic at all but to say Iran has monopoly over such actions is just being naive...

you see I lived most of my life in Iran and will hopefully live most of my life there also, I remember 8-9 years ago we had pro-Chechen clips and stunts on TV just like the pro-Palestinian ones... it was all over the media but then (probably after the major arm sales by Russia in late 90s) these stuff disappeared from the media and Iran's international policies condemning Russia went away.. it even reached a point of Iran criticizing Chechens’ actions for example harsh media stance towards the theater hostage taking in Russia.. so as you can see Iran just like every other nation does things based on its own interest and if it happens and Iran finds more profit in being anti-Palestinian than pro-Palestinian it will change its policies.. by the same token that Western powers don't care about morals when supporting (maybe I am using a wrong word but you get the idea) dictators like Saddam, Shah or terrorist groups like MEK, PKK, maybe some in South America, Iran can't be singled out for its support to Hezbollah.. if you are gonna change things you should start doing it from top and as you know charity starts at home!

another thing is that you are arguing individuals rather than collections, if Khomeini did release a fatwa for Salman Rushdie he did it by himself and it doesn't suddenly become an Iranian policy.. the Satanic Verses is widely available in Iran and anybody who reads it just gets angry that how such a rubbish author got so much publicity over a crap book like that...

no matter how you look at it I will still praise the new route that Iran has chosen as oppose the one it had during the Shah but there are a lot of policies and actions from current/previous government that are up to criticize but even in this government the progress can be seen, while back in Rafsanjani era the power was ultimately controlled by one political fraction now you have new forces joining the political scene.. something we didn’t have during Shah.. instead we had a party called “Hezbe Rastakhiz” .. maybe Prince of Persia will have the decency to tell us all about this party and its motto!

PersianPrince
08-12-2006, 01:34 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if Persian Nationalism is much more dangerous than what we have today in Iran? It seems that Persians are out to rule the world.

If the Shah was such a noble man, why did he get kicked out?

Honest question.

BTW, I personally knew the Shah's Italian Chef. The former Shah was fond of Cappuchino in the wee hours of the morning. According to the Chef, he was kind man but aloof about the real conditions within his country. As for the Shah's son, he has nice website and a suit, but nothing else. Most Iranian-Americans avoid politics and accept the status quo. Many hold Mohammed Mossadegh, deposed by the Shah, in high esteem much more than the former Shah or the current leaders.

Good question.Why do some people want President Bush over thrown? They are nuts thats why and Iran was at a critical point.Shah let them have mercy he could of stomped the Islamic Revolution but he didin't he could of had Khomeini killed in his Paris loft but he didin't.

The first Palahvi was great a strong leader, he always feared his sons weakness.

I will vote for a constitutional monarchy because i respect the history of Iran and want Iran free and proud if the time ever arrives.

Down to the unified islamists and leftists.

http://www.youtube.com/v/0ETIchUqfTc

The overthrow of the Shah was the greatest middle eastern catastrophe of the 20th century.

Long Live Crown Prince Heir to Throne of Iran PRINCE REZA PAHLAVI II

King of Kings!
http://www.youtube.com/v/0CuB5eGmAm4

PersianPrince
08-12-2006, 01:45 AM
Any one who supports this current regime in Iran is supporting Islamic terrorist all over the world.The fall of the Shah was the biggest cathostrophe that could have happend in the Middle East.This led to the rise of Islamic terrorism and groups such as Hezbollah to rise and flourish.So much blood is on the Mullahs hand.

Kraft I will ask I again for you to leave my thread and stop hijacking it.We do not care of your love for the mullahs.

Also stop it you do not live in Iran this site is BANNED in Iran.

If you were in Iran this would of been you a long time ago because sites like this are prohibited uner the Islamic courts in Iran.

http://www.blacktriangle.org/wordpress/wp-content/hangings_01.jpg
They were only 15 and 17 hanged for allegedly being **********s.

kraf001
08-12-2006, 01:51 AM
this is brilliant.. Prince of Persia do explain to us how Shah was gonna destroy the Islamist while he was one of their biggest supporters.. remember his crowning ceremony? explain to me the dirty mullah with that big beard coming into the room carrying a massive Quran to accompany the ceremony!

plz explain how is it that every mosque in Iran built prior to revolution that carries Khomeini's name today used to carry Shah's name.. most famous one being "Masjed Shah" in Tehran's grand bazaar which is still called "Masjed Shah" despite the official name change..

do tell me why Friday prayers were opened with Shah's name after God's name? do tell us how Shah sponsored Mullah school in Qom so he can fight communism through mullahs... yes ladies and gentlemen in Iran when Marxism became available to masses a mullah (paid good money by the monarchy) used to sit in the mosque and tell ppl.. communist is a combination of two words "commu" and "nist" the first one means "god" and the second one is a verb in Fasi that means "doesn't exist".. that is how Shah planned to fight communism/socialism/etc with trying to tell ppl communist is a person that goes against god!

tell us about the story when Shah fell off the horse and nothing happened to him when he was visiting a holy shrine and then mullahs released a note that "Abolfazl" (a famous Shiaa warrior who died with third Shiaa Imam in Karbala) held Shah on air.. funny enough Shah's intellectual opposition made fun of the situation because Abolfaz lost both of his arms before he died in Karbala and they were saying how can he hold Shah on air without hands :D

no matter how you want to twist it the royal family was one of the biggest supporters of the Islamist in Iran and their annual donations to the shrines from ppl's oil money is the reason we have so many mosques and mullah schools from that era!

PersianPrince
08-12-2006, 01:53 AM
Let us continue.

Imperial Iranian Navy
http://www.iinavy.org/images/photo4.jpg
http://www.iinavy.org/images/sirus.jpg
IIS Korosh
Imperial Naval Commando's
http://www.iinavy.org/images/mirsepanj/takavar1.jpg

http://www.iinavy.org/images/kooseh.jpg
ISS Koush never delivered [USS Trout]

http://www.iinavy.org/images/artmiz1.jpg
ISS Artemiz

http://www.iinavy.org/images/babrd-61.jpg
ISS Babr


Other classes will be added.

PersianPrince
08-12-2006, 01:58 AM
this is brilliant.. Prince of Persia do explain to us how Shah was gonna destroy the Islamist while he was one of their biggest supporters.. remember his crowning ceremony? explain to me the dirty mullah with that big beard coming into the room carrying a massive Quran to accompany the ceremony!

plz explain how is it that every mosque in Iran built prior to revolution that carries Khomeini's name today used to carry Shah's name.. most famous one being "Masjed Shah" in Tehran's grand bazaar which is still called "Masjed Shah" despite the official name change..

do tell me why Friday prayers were opened with Shah's name after God's name? do tell us how Shah sponsored Mullah school in Qom so he can fight communism through mullahs... yes ladies and gentlemen in Iran when Marxism became available to masses a mullah (paid good money by the monarchy) used to sit in the mosque and tell ppl.. communist is a combination of two words "commu" and "nist" the first one means "god" and the second one is a verb in Fasi that means "doesn't exist".. that is how Shah planned to fight communism/socialism/etc with trying to tell ppl communist is a person that goes against god!

tell us about the story when Shah fell off the horse and nothing happened to him when he was visiting a holy shrine and then mullahs released a note that "Abolfazl" (a famous Shiaa warrior who died with third Shiaa Imam in Karbala) held Shah on air.. funny enough Shah's intellectual opposition made fun of the situation because Abolfaz lost both of his arms before he died in Karbala and they were saying how can he hold Shah on air without hands :D

no matter how you want to twist it the royal family was one of the biggest supporters of the Islamist in Iran and their annual donations to the shrines from ppl's oil money is the reason we have so many mosques and mullah schools from that era!

I have nothing against religion but religion and government shouldn't mix.Keep your mullah stories to yourself or better yet make a nice thread and post all of your propaganda stories in it.

But stop taking up room and bandwidth in a picture thread.

http://www.democracyforiran.de/shah_kennedy.jpg

Ordie
08-12-2006, 02:34 AM
Persian Prince,

You're just as fanatical as the mullahs. Boy you guys like to be extreme.

I'd rather be in Iran than either Iraq or Afghanistan today.
As for the hanging photos. It's no different than what goes on in Saudi Arabia, an American Ally, except they do it with a sword. And the Wahabbis are just as fanatical than the Mullahs in Iran. Except that the Mullahs are a bit more tolerant towards Christians.

Oh by the way, 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi. Recognizing the Islamic Republic of Iran would be no different.

The Iranian soccer team has a better chance winning the World Cup than royalist ever returning to power.

Clearday-TRForce
08-12-2006, 02:58 AM
I have nothing against religion but religion and government shouldn't mix.Keep your mullah stories to yourself or better yet make a nice thread and post all of your propaganda stories in it.

But stop taking up room and bandwidth in a picture thread.


Dear PersianPrince,


I share your opinions about Shah and now mullah's period as a Turkish friend and brother. I was really upset when I saw the pictures and your unhappy situation. How can an evil-regime destroy the country under heavy-engineered religionous manners. Of course it is not our Islam. It is also their fabricated religion.

I hope Iran will again gain his reputation on the world and will be rescued from evil-regime as soon as possible. I very much hope Iran will follow Turkey root in the world.

Take care yourself brother. God protect you.




best wishes,
CDTRF

tf_echelon
08-12-2006, 03:23 AM
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b50/tf_echelon/Image2-1.gif

holy hell!