Statistics on 'Hard-Workin' Immigrants

[Versace]

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/16930.html


Statistics on 'Hard-Workin' Immigrants

August 10, 2006 10:54 AM EST

Recent Statistics on "Hard-Working" Illegal Immigrants

by William H. Calhoun

The vast majority of illegal immigrants in America are Mexican, who were once proverbial for laziness and crime, but now are championed by the liberal media (NY Times) and neoconservative media (Wall Street Journal) as hard-working Americans.


Statistics, however, show otherwise. A recent study by the Pew Hispanic Center reveals the following:

(1) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to receive welfare

(2) Hispanics account for 3/4 of the increase in poverty in the USA

(3) 45% of Hispanic children are born out of wedlock

(4) Hispanic women are 2.54 times more likely to than white women to have abortions

(5) Hispanic men are 9 times more likely than white men to beat their partners

(6) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than whites to die of AIDS

(7) They are 4 times more likely to die of tuberculosis

(8) Hispanics are 2 times more likely to be incarcerated than non-Hispanics

(9) They are 3.8 times more likely to be in prison for murder than non-Hispanics

(10) Hispanic youth are 19 times more likely to be in gangs

(11) Hispanics are 3 times more likely than non-Hispanics to drop out of high school

(12) 55% of Mexican-Americans consider themselves to be Mexican first

How could such statistics be overlooked by the liberal media? Intentionally. They are inconvenient. They contradict the myth that liberals and neoconservatives wish to propagate: the "proposition nation."

Since the liberal Enlightenment, liberals and (more recently) neoconservatives have championed the idea of a "proposition nation," which is a radical break from Western Civilization. What is the proposition nation? It is an abstraction with no real place in culture, time or history. It is the view that by merely believing in a few abstractions (e.g. the American flag is good) one can achieve national identity. If Sanchez believes in X, Y, Z, then, By God, he can be a citizen too!

Prior to recent times, traditionalists have always felt that much more was involved in the composition of a country: a common history, regional loyalty and localities, common bloodlines and genealogy, blood and soil, kin and kith. The ancient Greeks certainly felt this way. So did Medieval Europeans. And so did George Washington, John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson – who wanted citizenship only for people of European bloodlines.

Mexicans, however, do not fit into the traditional pattern of citizenship, so liberals want to erase it. Except for a very small European upper class in Mexico, the vast majority of Mexicans are either:

(1) Pure Amerindian

or

(2) "Mixed" (mostly Amerindian, with a few drops of Spaniard, and sometimes African, blood)

So, whether they are pure Amerindian or mostly Amerindian, they certainly are not European. What are Amerindians? They are the Asians who immigrated to North America 12,000 years ago. They are not Western. And, consequently, Mexicans have very different value systems. They self-identify as non-white, non-European, as members of Aztlan.

And as the above statistics show, these Amerindians are "hard working," hard working at crime, receiving welfare, having abortions, and transforming the U.S. into a third-world nation.

[Smersh]

what about blacks who aren't immigrants, what do u think of them, how do they compare?

should they not be allowed to become citizens?

[Ria]

I'm more concerned about illegal immigrants who come to America, knowing only the basics of English, and work in factories or places like slaughterhouses, that are important to people's health. It's difficult to implement safety when you can't fully explain to the person what to do in the best way possible to avoid injury; they are quickly replacing skilled workers because 1) they'll work for less and will take almost anything they can get even if it's cleaning out cow blood and guts from vents, 2) they're less likely to have any sort of insurance or worker's comp, both points which are attractive to not-so-lovely Supervisors or employers because it's less for them to take care of, and less money to spend...if a non-English speaking worker gets injured on the job, it's doubtful they'll get much in return because they don't know how to communicate this to people who may be able to help them, and illegal immigrants are so numerous and thus disposable, so who really cares? No doubt this is in part of the corrupted staff and company, but also the influx of nonskilled, nonEnglishspeaking immigrants whom are catalysts for more corruption.

As far as the unskilled part goes, do you want a person like that handling the raw meat that you'll be eating for dinner that night? Unskilled workers, plus the rapid rate that factories need nowadays (partly thanks to fast food, aka fast consumption) calls for MUCH higher injury rates, and more chances of spreading diseases. If a piece of meat falls on the floor, a worker doesn't have the time to dispose of it. Disposing means walking to the waste area, which means no work being done in that amount of time, which means less pay (and imagine that when the pay's ****ty already).

[Smersh]

so you don't or do agree with the article presented.

If companies didn't hire them there wouldn't be a problem. you agree? Isn't it breaking the law?

[Elemental666]

Stalinist lies.Peace out.

[Smersh]

I forget how associated stalin and american immigrants are. :)

[Elemental666]

I forget how associated stalin and american immigrants are. :)

Well it's not,just love using it.
I'm neither American or Hispanic but the article is ridiculous.

[Ria]

so you don't or do agree with the article presented.

If companies didn't hire them there wouldn't be a problem. you agree? Isn't it breaking the law?

I'm sure some of those statistics are somewhat correct, I don't really know. Statisitcs can be a little shaky sometimes.
When a different culture, who grows up in poverty already, immigrates to another country that is more wealthy and more able to fend for themselves, of course there are problems.

I wouldn't say there wouldn't be a problem, there are almost always problems...I do think the problems would be decreased in certain ways.
Isn't what breaking the law? Hiring illegal immigrants? Of course it is. Do you think these companies really care? Um, no. Some competitive companies will do almost anything to get ahead of the game. No one wants to go out of business. And the lure of these people who work for barely nothing is too much to look past.

[Elemental666]

I'm sure some of those statistics are somewhat correct, I don't really know. Statisitcs can be a little shaky sometimes.
When a different culture, who grows up in poverty already, immigrates to another country that is more wealthy and more able to fend for themselves, of course there are problems.

Well exactly.Thats all im saying.

[CMNot]

88.8% of statitics are made up.

[Ordie]

Latinos participated in every major conflict from the Revolutionary War to Iraq and Afghanistan today.

40 Latino servicemen were awarded the Medal of Honor.

The first US casualties in both Gulf wars were an Ecuadorian and Guatemalan respectively.

[*TeUFeL*]

lol, i wish we could compare this to the situation of italian, irish, german and polish inmigrants when they first got the states a couple of hundred years ago....

[perdurabo]

just open borders for central-eastern europeans ;)

[Herrmannek]

Yup we now everything about meat...we are meat kings :)

[mi35d]

lol, i wish we could compare this to the situation of italian, irish, german and polish inmigrants when they first got the states a couple of hundred years ago....

You can. There's more than enough data available. You're going to find that your premise, "all immigrants are alike" will be wrong. The previous large waves of immigrants occured when there wasn't government programs en masse to cling to. No welfare or medical aid, etc.

Another factor to consider is that those previous immigrants came here LEGALLY. This is a basic undeniable fact that keeps being forgotten. The process was just as stringent - even more so depending on your country of origin as today's potential immigrants. To sit back and say, "well, its o.k. for them to come in illegally because the system is hard to work with" is crap.

Previous immigrants had to wait years before coming to the country. Most had to have sponsor families waiting for them when they arrived so as not to be a burden on society. Medical examinations were required and if you were found to have something like TB, etc. you were sent BACK. You weren't given free health care and the like.

How do I know? Very simple. My family documented and researched our own past and we learned what my great grandparents and grandparents had to go through to get here.

A very good resource, believe it or not, is the Mormon Church. They've actually saved many of the old files and data and made it available online and for public viewing.

[Durandal]

"The Conservative Voice"

I love the biased source. rofl

That said, unlike probably ANY of you, I went to the PEW website and looked at their data.

This data is for LEGAL immigrants, U.S. citizens, not illegal immigrants.

I bet if I wrote an article in that newspaper saying dog turds were a good source of food, there would be a fair number of "conservatives" eating turds...

:roll:

[Kaapeli]

And as the above statistics show, these Amerindians are "hard working," hard working at crime, receiving welfare, having abortions, and transforming the U.S. into a third-world nation.

Forgot one thing. The unemployment rate. Can't say one group isn't hard working if you don't know their unemployment rate.
And the unemployment rate for latinos is around 5%. Thats almost two times lower than black unemployment and only around 1% higher than white unemployment.


Mexicans, however, do not fit into the traditional pattern of citizenship, so liberals want to erase it. Except for a very small European upper class in Mexico, the vast majority of Mexicans are either:

(1) Pure Amerindian

or

(2) "Mixed" (mostly Amerindian, with a few drops of Spaniard, and sometimes African, blood)

So, whether they are pure Amerindian or mostly Amerindian, they certainly are not European. What are Amerindians? They are the Asians who immigrated to North America 12,000 years ago. They are not Western. And, consequently, Mexicans have very different value systems. They self-identify as non-white, non-European, as members of Aztlan.

Nice race theories. Straight from the 17th century.

What does this guy have against indians? They were the originial inhabitants of America afterall. He's got some mighty big balls to claim that America is for ethnic west/central Europeans only. And do they even exist anymore? I mean
how many US citizens identify themselves as European?

And how the hell is it even relevant to what "race" people belong to? This "they're only indians..." -attitude smells like racism.

[saoirse]

88.8% of statitics are made up.

49.9% of all people know that.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

I'm confused. I went to the Pew Hispanic Center website http://pewhispanic.org/ and tried finding this "recent report" cited in the article. I found nuggets of the data here and there...but I'll be damned if I can find one report or survey that spells out all those statistics. Anybody have a link?

[Durandal]

I'm confused. I went to the Pew Hispanic Center website http://pewhispanic.org/ and tried finding this "recent report" cited in the article. I found nuggets of the data here and there...but I'll be damned if I can find one report or survey that spells out all those statistics. Anybody have a link?

I ran into the same thing. Individual reports. You just need to read the data which does not correlate with the data given in the initial post...

Then again, there are so many studies, I simply do not have time to search each and every one of them.

[*TeUFeL*]

lol, i wish we could compare this to the situation of italian, irish, german and polish inmigrants when they first got the states a couple of hundred years ago....

You can. There's more than enough data available. You're going to find that your premise, "all immigrants are alike" will be wrong. The previous large waves of immigrants occured when there wasn't government programs en masse to cling to. No welfare or medical aid, etc.

Another factor to consider is that those previous immigrants came here LEGALLY. This is a basic undeniable fact that keeps being forgotten. The process was just as stringent - even more so depending on your country of origin as today's potential immigrants. To sit back and say, "well, its o.k. for them to come in illegally because the system is hard to work with" is crap.

Previous immigrants had to wait years before coming to the country. Most had to have sponsor families waiting for them when they arrived so as not to be a burden on society. Medical examinations were required and if you were found to have something like TB, etc. you were sent BACK. You weren't given free health care and the like.

How do I know? Very simple. My family documented and researched our own past and we learned what my great grandparents and grandparents had to go through to get here.

A very good resource, believe it or not, is the Mormon Church. They've actually saved many of the old files and data and made it available online and for public viewing.

c´mon man, a few hundred years ago, when a family was starving in poland, all they had to do was take a boat to the states, register at the harbor and then they were american citizens.
im sure it was difficult for them, but not as difficult as having ur kids dying of hunger and going to the us embassy, pay 100$ ( an amount most likely never seen by these inmigrants)for an appointment at the embassy, then the guy that interviews u have to decide if u could participate in the inmigration process (most likely,u wont, cuz ur a poor sob) and then u have to wait years for ur application to be consider, all this time of course, u have to see ur kids dying cuz they have nothing to eat. if u dont believe just ask those british or german or wealthy new citizens that have followed this process.

so that script like my family came to the usa legally is --- how can i said without offending u, just not valid. cuz back then when ur family came they didnt have to go throught the whole hoops and loops that a poor guy that only makes 25 cents have to go through now days

[Durandal]

How do I know? Very simple. My family documented and researched our own past and we learned what my great grandparents and grandparents had to go through to get here.

Yep, a single experience translated to millions...

Who says the scientific process and logical argument are dead in America.

My family immigrated here...no wait for most (other than the months long trip across). They just came. The late comers, those that came across in mid-1800s didn't really do much either. They just came, were tagged and bagged, and sent on their way.

Comparing legalities of pre-1900 immigration and turn of the century with current day laws regarding immigration is silly. Absolutely silly....or ignorant.

A) Many immigration laws were racist at the time (the anti-Chinese laws are a perfect example)

and...

B) They were a WHOLE lot more simple.

Nowadays I'd hate to be an immigrant with the hoops you have to jump through.

I mean, if Geezah got a DUI (and he wouldn't but for the sake of this conversation let's say he did) he could STILL be deported even though he IS a U.S. citizen.

Back then, you drank beer on your lunch break.

Yeah, comparisons to what went on back then to now are weak, except...

Everything we are saying about the Latinos is the same thing we said about the Irish...lazy, poor work quality, unemployed, breed like rats, and so...

That has remained the same.

[Fargin]

"Statistics on 'Hard-Workin' Immigrants", is 'racist propaganda'.

This article's approach to immigration reflects a superficialness both to it's conclusion and I suspect also to stastistics. Just another chain letter spammed online to reach anti-immigrant sympathizers.