Iraqis Drag Four Corpses Through Streets

[Resevoir Hogs]

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Jubilant residents dragged the charred corpses of four foreigners — one a woman, at least one an American — through the streets Wednesday and hanged them from the bridge spanning the Euphrates River. Five American soldiers died in a roadside bombing nearby.


The four foreigners were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah, a Sunni Triangle city about 35 miles west of Baghdad and scene of some of the worst violence on both sides of the conflict since the beginning of the American occupation a year ago.


It was reminiscent of the 1993 scene in Somalia, when a mob dragged the corpse of a U.S. soldier through the streets of Mogadishu, eventually leading to the American withdrawal from the African nation.


In one of the bloodiest days for the U.S. military this year, five 1st Infantry Division soldiers died when their military vehicle ran over a bomb in a separate incident 12 miles to the northwest, among the reed-lined roads running through some of Iraq (news - web sites)'s richest farmland.


Residents said the bomb attack occurred in Malahma, 12 miles northwest of Fallujah, where anti-U.S. insurgents are active. U.S. Marines operate in the area, but it was unclear whether the slain troops were Marines.
Chanting "Fallujah is the graveyard of Americans," residents cheered after the grisly assault on two four-wheel-drive civilian vehicles, which left both in flames. Others chanted, "We sacrifice our blood and souls for Islam."


Associated Press Television News pictures showed one man beating a charred corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a yellow rope to a body, hooked it to a car and dragged it down the main street of town. Two blackened and mangled corpses were hung from a green iron bridge across the Euphrates.


"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.


Beneath the bodies, a man held a printed sign with a skull and crossbones and the phrase "Fallujah is the cemetery for Americans."


APTN showed the charred remains of three slain men. Some were wearing flak jackets, said resident Safa Mohammedi.


One resident displayed what appeared to be dog tags taken from one body. Residents also said there were weapons in the targeted cars. APTN showed one American passport near a body and a U.S. Department of Defense (news - web sites) identification card belonging to another man.


U.S. military officials in Washington said the situation was still confused but they did not think the victims were American soldiers and believed the SUVs were not American military vehicles.


Witnesses said the two vehicles were attacked with small arms fire and rocket propelled grenades.


Hours after the attack, the city was quiet. No U.S. troops or Iraqi police were seen in the area.


Fallujah is in the so-called Sunni Triangle, where support for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was strong and rebels often carry out attacks against American forces.


In nearby Ramadi, insurgents threw a grenade at a government building and Iraqi security forces returned fire Wednesday, witnesses said. It was not clear if there were casualties.


Also in Ramadi, a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. convoy, witnesses said. U.S. officials in Baghdad could not confirm the attack.

On Tuesday in Ramadi, one U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded in a roadside bombing, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.

Northeast of Baghdad, in the city of Baqouba on Wednesday, a suicide bomber blew up explosives in his car when he was near a convoy of government vehicles, wounding 14 Iraqis and killing himself, officials said.

The attacked convoy is normally used to transport the Diala provincial governor, Abdullah al-Joubori, but he was elsewhere at the time, said police Col. Ali Hossein.

On Tuesday, a suicide bombing outside the house of a police chief in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, killed the attacker and wounded seven others.

A bomb exploded late Tuesday in a movie theater that had closed for the night. Two bystanders were wounded by flying glass, said its owner, Ghani Mohammed.

The latest violence came two days after Carina Perelli, the head of a U.N. electoral team, said better security is vital if Iraq wants to hold elections by a Jan. 31 deadline. The polls are scheduled to follow a June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government.

Top U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said Tuesday he had appointed 21 anti-corruption inspectors general to government departments to try to prevent fraud. More will be named in coming days, he said.

The inspectors will work with two other newly formed, independent agencies. Together, they will "form an integrated approach intended to combat corruption at every level of government across the country," Bremer said.

Why is it whenever something like this happens I feel less inclined to have our troops out trying to make things better for another group of people. Those actions are very dishonourable and sick.

[SerbPVO]

Deja vu - Mogadishu, Somalia :(

[duck]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

I think hard measures are appropriate not just to ensure the safety of Coalition soldiers and civilian staff but also Iraqi LEOs and translators etc. A curfew and shoot-on-sight policy during night hours might be a first step.

[HELEX]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

The Infrastructure they had was destroyed by who? :lol:

Come on, you know that is "selfless" helping Story is not true. Repairing the Infrastructure is a must for an occupying Force according to geneva convention, so nothing heroic in that. And they want you only to do one thing: LEAVE! :roll:

[soldierandy]

HELEN, SHUT THE **** UP!

[HELEX]

Some GRAPHIC Images of that:

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/rdonlyres/854E5652-C575-4409-B627-DE92D9E540E5/33309/C02997CC56AE43658420A0A0944D29B4.jpg

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200403/5230467_4.jpg

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200403/5230467_8.jpg

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200403/5230467_7.jpg

http://www.n-tv.de/images/200403/5230467_9.jpg

[Ichhabe]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

The Infrastructure they had was destroyed by who? :lol:

Come on, you know that is "selfless" helping Story is not true. Repairing the Infrastructure is a must for an occupying Force according to geneva convention, so nothing heroic in that. And they want you only to do one thing: LEAVE! :roll:

To be honest, I wanted to stay on the other side of the moon and totally ignore the comments on the different threads regarding the incident that recently took place in Iraq.

But the comments that you HELEX has produced really do look like gloating.
I know that writing what I'm about to write is a "little bit over the top", but what the heck?!? I don't care. And I even don't care that you were'nt born either in that time.

So here it goes: That you can take such strong words in your mouth is waaaay beyond my understanding. Comming from a guys wich country that started two World Wars, and even lost them both.
Never in the history of man as one country ever had the responsibility to have destroyed so much as your country. They still facing troubles in Russia because of your countries "Lebensraum"-policy. And then you have the nerves to slide in here with your "oooooooh, I'm so affended that countries can go to an unfair war like this,...ooooh".

If you are so affended about such politics. Why don't you become a politican and try to make a difference? Good luck!

[WARPIG]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

The Infrastructure they had was destroyed by who? :lol:

Come on, you know that is "selfless" helping Story is not true. Repairing the Infrastructure is a must for an occupying Force according to geneva convention, so nothing heroic in that. And they want you only to do one thing: LEAVE! :roll:

What an incredibly ignorant comment.
No one claimed anything heroic. Whether the rebuilding is voluntary or mandated, what purpose does it serve to kill and mutilate the people responsible for doing just that What purpose does it serve to mutilate and display the dead for that matter. ? I doubt the people killed were engineers or something, but even if they are combat troops... the act was inhuman and cruel.
Sensless actions, inhuman people, followed by stupid comments. Nice.
Funny how you brought up the Geneva Convention but didn't bother to inform us of what it says about mutilating the dead. How convenient.

[Ichhabe]

Good bye HELEX. Not knowing you in the time you spent at this forum has been a good experience.

(Isn't it hard posting such images while jerking off at the same time?)

[Elmo]

So here it goes: That you can take such strong words in your mouth is waaaay beyond my understanding. Comming from a guys wich country that started two World Wars, and even lost them both.
Never in the history of man as one country ever had the responsibility to have destroyed so much as your country. They still facing troubles in Russia because of your countries "Lebensraum"-policy. And then you have the nerves to slide in here with your "oooooooh, I'm so affended that countries can go to an unfair war like this,...ooooh".

If you are so affended about such politics. Why don't you become a politican and try to make a difference? Good luck!

Well, individuals are only responsible for their own actions. Weird comments Ichhabe.

All this patriotic BS where people take credit for things that suit them and forget about less glorious actions by their countrymen...is retarded. As well as blaming a person who opposes war for deeds that were committed 60-70 years ago by some people who belonged to a certain imagined community, Germans.

[HELEX]

Funny how you brought up the Geneva Convention but didn't bother to inform us of what it says about mutilating the dead. How convenient.

You are wrong, again... :roll:

The geneva convention is only for regular SOLDIERS, not for angry unarmed civillians. So they cant break the convention by doing anything.

Agree? :lol:

[Ichhabe]

So here it goes: That you can take such strong words in your mouth is waaaay beyond my understanding. Comming from a guys wich country that started two World Wars, and even lost them both.
Never in the history of man as one country ever had the responsibility to have destroyed so much as your country. They still facing troubles in Russia because of your countries "Lebensraum"-policy. And then you have the nerves to slide in here with your "oooooooh, I'm so affended that countries can go to an unfair war like this,...ooooh".

If you are so affended about such politics. Why don't you become a politican and try to make a difference? Good luck!

Well, individuals are only responsible for their own actions. Weird comments Ichhabe.

All this patriotic BS where people take credit for things that suit them and forget about less glorious actions by their countrymen...is retarded. As well as blaming a person who opposes war for deeds that were committed 60-70 years ago by some people who belonged to a certain imagined community, Germans.

You forgot to quote me on this:
But the comments that you HELEX has produced really do look like gloating.
I know that writing what I'm about to write is a "little bit over the top", but what the heck?!? I don't care. And I even don't care that you were'nt born either in that time.

Without that, the rest wouldn't make any sense.
But you already knew that I bet.

[WARPIG]

Funny how you brought up the Geneva Convention but didn't bother to inform us of what it says about mutilating the dead. How convenient.

You are wrong, again... :roll:

The geneva convention is only for regular SOLDIERS, not for angry unarmed civillians. So they cant break the convention by doing anything.

Agree? :lol:
Yes I do. Thanks for pointing that out. My oversight.

Just disturbing how your knowledge still doesn't give you even a glimpse of the truth nor the ability to escape rhetoric.

[WARPIG]

It appears that the people killed and mutilated here were civilians. No matter the nationality... the act of violence and inhuman atrocity is more than enough to anger most of us. The images that HELEX provided alone is enough to boil the blood of most of us. It is truly sad that so many of you don't even have the decency or dignity to refrain from using this as a platform for your political opinion or simple anti-US rhetoric.

[He219]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

The Infrastructure they had was destroyed by who? :lol:

Come on, you know that is "selfless" helping Story is not true. Repairing the Infrastructure is a must for an occupying Force according to geneva convention, so nothing heroic in that. And they want you only to do one thing: LEAVE! :roll:

HELIX, I really am disappointed. Those individuals killing, burning, mutilating and stringing up civilian reconstruction workers, including women, are the core of Saddam Hussein supporters in Fallujah, the Sunni Triangle.

How can occupying forces reconstruct if civilians are murdered? The Sunni Triangle is effectively still a combat zone and these people need to be isolated and dealt with swiftly.

What disappoints me HELIX is that your political objections to the action in Iraq trancends into blind Anti-Americanism in you sarcastic insinuations across the board. This morning it was the Spaniards. Two days ago I posted a thread drawing attention to the efforts of the German ISAF contingent in reconstruction efforts in Afghanistan.

Lives were lost on all sides. Your last post in that particular Retrospective was a dishonor to the countless American service members who have lost their lives. Thanks so much for setting that tone; I guess I shouldn't have drawn attention to the contribution of Germans ISAF forces because you ultimately used it as a platform to belittle Americans. Cogitate that.

:roll:

[HELEX]

So what is the Problem with the Pictures? They are showing EXACTELY what we are talking about in this Thread.

So they are as topic related as something can be.

[He219]

So what is the Problem with the Pictures? They are showing EXACTELY what we are talking about in this Thread.

So they are as topic related as something can be.

I'm not talking about your pictures. Similar images are already linked in the Daily Picture thread ....

:roll:

[HELEX]

I do make mistakes, Im not perfect. But can we let the USA get through whit what they did in the Iraq issue, just because they are the last remaining Superpower?

What should we do, shut our Mouth and say: "Doing great!"?

Forget that?

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.

[ARBERESH]

I do make mistakes, Im not perfect. But can we let the USA get through whit what they did in the Iraq issue, just because they are the last remaining Superpower?

What should we do, shut our Mouth and say: "Doing great!"?

Forget that?

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.

The atack in Iraq was not a crime, but an obligated act against one dicature that was threting the security and the pace in the word.
US don't behave as a superpower, and thisi is important, treat in human way the prisonesr and the countries when they fight.
A tradition that never have been shared by the people of the country when three roman legions were defeated, by ex-roman legionare Arminius.
The error of USA is that they didn't kick away saddam at 1991.

[XASA]

I do make mistakes, Im not perfect. But can we let the USA get through whit what they did in the Iraq issue, just because they are the last remaining Superpower?

What should we do, shut our Mouth and say: "Doing great!"?

Forget that?

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.

Helex, your posts read as if you support the bombing of religious targets and the killing women and children. Why aren't you condemning the heinous acts being committed by the Iraqis instead of appointing yourself the judge and jury for international law?

The posts of you and a few others lately on this forum reminds me of something I scrape off of the sole of my shoe when I walk through a cow pasture.

[ARBERESH]

Funny how you brought up the Geneva Convention but didn't bother to inform us of what it says about mutilating the dead. How convenient.

You are wrong, again... :roll:

The geneva convention is only for regular SOLDIERS, not for angry unarmed civillians. So they cant break the convention by doing anything.

Agree? :lol:

The problem is that the arabs, tends to beleive that white soldiers don't respect the Convention of Geneva.
This, because the know very well how white soldiers with the uniform of a land that defeated the romans, during 1939-1945 never respected civilians, polish, french, russian, italian, belgium or every nation they are.
So, God damn it, every pale face, me included, has yo suffer the bad opinion that they contributed to have.
Long liva USA, country of democracy and freedom.

[HELEX]

his, because the know very well how white soldiers with the uniform of a land that defeated the romans, during 1939-1945 never respected civilians, polish, french, russian, italian, belgium or every nation they are.

Oh, they did respect the convention especially in the western countrys. And when not they had direct order to do so. Did the Allies respect the convention by bombing civillans or by using nuclear Bombs on civil citys?

This is in NO way related to our discussion, this is about what is happening now.

[He219]

I do make mistakes, Im not perfect. But can we let the USA get through whit what they did in the Iraq issue, just because they are the last remaining Superpower?

What should we do, shut our Mouth and say: "Doing great!"?

Forget that?

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.

You may believe that the WMD issue, the principal pre-text and one of many for removing Saddam Hussein and Baathist stewardship in Iraq, along with the subsequent regieme change through military intervention and occupation was 'a crime'. I would very much like you to qualify that statement; 'a Crime, nothing else'.

I also see your consentience towards Saddam Hussein and tyrranical Baathist rule as a crime against humanity. To me it would be 'crimial' to continue 12 years of punitive measures in light of documented evidence toward evasion and undermining of UN/US restrictions and oversight, a consequence of Gulf War 1 peace accords.

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

[Argyll]

I do make mistakes, Im not perfect. But can we let the USA get through whit what they did in the Iraq issue, just because they are the last remaining Superpower?

What should we do, shut our Mouth and say: "Doing great!"?

Forget that?

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.

You may believe that the WMD issue, the principal pre-text and one of many for removing Saddam Hussein and Baathist stewardship in Iraq, along with the subsequent regieme change through military intervention and occupation was 'a crime'. I would very much like you to qualify that statement; 'a Crime, nothing else'.

I also see your consentience towards Saddam Hussein and tyrranical Baathist rule as a crime against humanity. To me it would be 'crimial' to continue 12 years of punitive measures in light of documented evidence toward evasion and undermining of UN/US restrictions and oversight, a consequence of Gulf War 1 peace accords.

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

......and it's pissing everyone else off at the same time.

[ARBERESH]

his, because the know very well how white soldiers with the uniform of a land that defeated the romans, during 1939-1945 never respected civilians, polish, french, russian, italian, belgium or every nation they are.

Oh, they did respect the convention especially in the western countrys. And when not they had direct order to do so. Did the Allies respect the convention by bombing civillans or by using nuclear Bombs on civil citys?

This is in NO way related to our discussion, this is about what is happening now.

What is happening now, must happened at 1938, with your small impotant, crazy, insignifican, perverse Hitler and your Herrenwolk!
Crazy bastards must be stopped the first moment they make understand their scopes.
The Allies bombed german cities, much later after germans become to bomb other citties.
I can enlist here numerous countries that never bombed geramny, but germany mombed, killed, destroyed, so behaved as germans...

[SerbPVO]

When NATO bombed my country(Serbia & Montenegro), they used cluster bombs & depleted uranium shells - which are clearly banned by the Geneva Convention.

Just felt like adding to the discussion :|

[mustamato]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

[Argyll]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

And you called yourself a soldier?,are you totally devoid of any feelings over some of these ***** images?

Tell you what I'd be doing,I'd be printing them off,and every little Fuc* that was showing their faces would be facing retribution for their barbarism,you think the comrades of these slain will sit back and shrug their heads and say nothing,Payback WILL be a bitch......if these were PMC,they have no rules,and I would not shed a single tear to see Payback.

Fallujah will suffer over this,one way or another

[ARBERESH]

When NATO bombed my country(Serbia & Montenegro), they used cluster bombs & depleted uranium shells - which are clearly banned by the Geneva Convention.

Just felt like adding to the discussion :|

Was the case to speak for Geneva Convention?

[ARBERESH]

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Jubilant residents dragged the charred corpses of four foreigners — one a woman, at least one an American — through the streets Wednesday and hanged them from the bridge spanning the Euphrates River. Five American soldiers died in a roadside bombing nearby.


The four foreigners were killed in a rebel ambush of their SUVs in Fallujah, a Sunni Triangle city about 35 miles west of Baghdad and scene of some of the worst violence on both sides of the conflict since the beginning of the American occupation a year ago.


It was reminiscent of the 1993 scene in Somalia, when a mob dragged the corpse of a U.S. soldier through the streets of Mogadishu, eventually leading to the American withdrawal from the African nation.


In one of the bloodiest days for the U.S. military this year, five 1st Infantry Division soldiers died when their military vehicle ran over a bomb in a separate incident 12 miles to the northwest, among the reed-lined roads running through some of Iraq (news - web sites)'s richest farmland.


Residents said the bomb attack occurred in Malahma, 12 miles northwest of Fallujah, where anti-U.S. insurgents are active. U.S. Marines operate in the area, but it was unclear whether the slain troops were Marines.
Chanting "Fallujah is the graveyard of Americans," residents cheered after the grisly assault on two four-wheel-drive civilian vehicles, which left both in flames. Others chanted, "We sacrifice our blood and souls for Islam."


Associated Press Television News pictures showed one man beating a charred corpse with a metal pole. Others tied a yellow rope to a body, hooked it to a car and dragged it down the main street of town. Two blackened and mangled corpses were hung from a green iron bridge across the Euphrates.


"The people of Fallujah hanged some of the bodies on the old bridge like slaughtered sheep," resident Abdul Aziz Mohammed said. Some of the corpses were dismembered, he said.


Beneath the bodies, a man held a printed sign with a skull and crossbones and the phrase "Fallujah is the cemetery for Americans."


APTN showed the charred remains of three slain men. Some were wearing flak jackets, said resident Safa Mohammedi.


One resident displayed what appeared to be dog tags taken from one body. Residents also said there were weapons in the targeted cars. APTN showed one American passport near a body and a U.S. Department of Defense (news - web sites) identification card belonging to another man.


U.S. military officials in Washington said the situation was still confused but they did not think the victims were American soldiers and believed the SUVs were not American military vehicles.


Witnesses said the two vehicles were attacked with small arms fire and rocket propelled grenades.


Hours after the attack, the city was quiet. No U.S. troops or Iraqi police were seen in the area.


Fallujah is in the so-called Sunni Triangle, where support for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was strong and rebels often carry out attacks against American forces.


In nearby Ramadi, insurgents threw a grenade at a government building and Iraqi security forces returned fire Wednesday, witnesses said. It was not clear if there were casualties.


Also in Ramadi, a roadside bomb exploded near a U.S. convoy, witnesses said. U.S. officials in Baghdad could not confirm the attack.

On Tuesday in Ramadi, one U.S. soldier was killed and another wounded in a roadside bombing, said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt.

Northeast of Baghdad, in the city of Baqouba on Wednesday, a suicide bomber blew up explosives in his car when he was near a convoy of government vehicles, wounding 14 Iraqis and killing himself, officials said.

The attacked convoy is normally used to transport the Diala provincial governor, Abdullah al-Joubori, but he was elsewhere at the time, said police Col. Ali Hossein.

On Tuesday, a suicide bombing outside the house of a police chief in Hillah, about 60 miles south of Baghdad, killed the attacker and wounded seven others.

A bomb exploded late Tuesday in a movie theater that had closed for the night. Two bystanders were wounded by flying glass, said its owner, Ghani Mohammed.

The latest violence came two days after Carina Perelli, the head of a U.N. electoral team, said better security is vital if Iraq wants to hold elections by a Jan. 31 deadline. The polls are scheduled to follow a June 30 transfer of sovereignty to an Iraqi government.

Top U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer said Tuesday he had appointed 21 anti-corruption inspectors general to government departments to try to prevent fraud. More will be named in coming days, he said.

The inspectors will work with two other newly formed, independent agencies. Together, they will "form an integrated approach intended to combat corruption at every level of government across the country," Bremer said.

Why is it whenever something like this happens I feel less inclined to have our troops out trying to make things better for another group of people. Those actions are very dishonourable and sick.

RIP.
All my simpathy, and praying for the families!

[California Joe]

This was a heinous act perpetrated by a mob that had no political motive whatsoever. It was simply bloodlust. Mob mentality taken to an animalistic extreme. I cannot fathom the type of perverse anger necessary to drag unarmed civilians through the streets after butchering them. There is no excuse. None. It was an act of psychotic evil. This was not an accident of war or in any way justifiable. To suggest otherwise is the height of ignorance. I'm hoping the people in these photographs can be identified and then terminated. I don't believe in black and white issues but this is as close to black as anything I've seen.

[SerbPVO]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.

[He219]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!
Viewing such scenes and exhibiting your deference certainly isn't constructive. Do you believe this Sunni Core of Baathist Saddam Supporters are 'free of guilt'?

:roll:


RIP
:(

[He219]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.
Does the security contigent somehow justify the action of the mob, SerbPVO?
:roll:

[Undo]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

And you called yourself a soldier?,are you totally devoid of any feelings over some of these ***** images?


mustamato was NOT a soldier. He was a conscript. Please do not make any associations between what he was/is and soldiers. It pays an unearned compliment to him and insults real professional soldiers.

[Red]

HELEX and mustamato,i am not surprised at your comments.It just shows how insensitive you are.In your opinion,the war was wrong,well good for you but as last time i check the title of the thread it had nothing to do with the war being justified.If you like what does iraqis did so much why don't you go and help them.HELEX,well i want to tell you 1930 was not that far so i suggest you remeber what came out of your own country before you come and talk smack about another man's country.I have to so i am disgusted by both of you as i am with what that mob did.It was heinious and uncalled for.But payback will be a biatch

[b00n]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.

Who ****in cares? Its one thing to kill them, but another thing to drag them through the whole town and hang their burned corpses on a bridge, thats something you could do in medieval ages, but not anymore, its sick and gross.

[RomanS]

When was the last time American or British soldiers did this to anyone?
good luck ...

Freaking animals who did this to those people.

HELEX if that was your family, what would you say to that?

[HELEX]

@PermskiiOMON

Just answer me one question: What did I say?

I only said this is a very bad thing.

[RomanS]

@PermskiiOMON

Just answer me one question: What did I say?

I only said this is a very bad thing.

I asked you a question first

[HELEX]

So if this was my family I would be either dead too, and if not i would get as many Pictures of that People as I can get and buy a Ticket to Iraq.

[SiFiOn]

Respects to the families of the victims of those acts against humanity

[Midtown]

just goes to show you, no matter how civilized people are, theres always a group off assholes who acts like a pack of pissed off apes.

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

When NATO bombed my country(Serbia & Montenegro), they used cluster bombs & depleted uranium shells - which are clearly banned by the Geneva Convention.

Nope, they aren't banned.
Such weapons are commonly developed around the world.

[mustamato]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

And you called yourself a soldier?,are you totally devoid of any feelings over some of these ***** images?

Tell you what I'd be doing,I'd be printing them off,and every little Fuc* that was showing their faces would be facing retribution for their barbarism,you think the comrades of these slain will sit back and shrug their heads and say nothing,Payback WILL be a bitch......if these were PMC,they have no rules,and I would not shed a single tear to see Payback.

Fallujah will suffer over this,one way or another

Well, I hope it doesn´t come as a surprise to you, but I have feeling as well.
Actually I think those pictures are quite nasty and I don´t like the behaviour
from them. The thing is though, I don´t want that to happen to anyone, not even
those Iraqis. The difference between a average American soldier and those
Iraqis is that the soldier has a education and is kind of civilized. Those Iraqis
have neither. It reminds me of the Americans, Brits, Swedes or whatever
say 200 years ago, how did they do? Well they tortured and did very nasty
stuff to other humans, one doesn´t have to be a historian to know that.

Revenge may be sweet but I don´t think it fits into a western society, it´s demoralizing
and it will become like in Vietnam. And that is not good. From a judicial point of
view, well the men killing them are murderers. But how many are they? And they
are probably not on the pictures (atleast I didn´t see any armed men standing
there). And most of them just stood there and made asses of themselves, is that
a serious crime? Should they be kidnapped by Marines and shoot in the head in
some back alley because of that? I think not. The whole point in occupying
Iraq is as I have understood it to give them democracy. Then give it to them.
The coin has two sides remember.

[NcDeuce]

There is nothing positive to be achieved by these kind of retarded actions for the Sunnis. Killing people who are there to ensure their water supply, electricity, their kids education...What kind of behaviour is that?

The Infrastructure they had was destroyed by who? :lol:

Come on, you know that is "selfless" helping Story is not true. Repairing the Infrastructure is a must for an occupying Force according to geneva convention, so nothing heroic in that. And they want you only to do one thing: LEAVE! :roll:

HELEX, have you been to Iraq? You seem to know much more than the guys over there do.

See this thread, http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11211

[NcDeuce]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

And you called yourself a soldier?,are you totally devoid of any feelings over some of these ***** images?


mustamato was NOT a soldier. He was a conscript. Please do not make any associations between what he was/is and soldiers. It pays an unearned compliment to him and insults real professional soldiers.

Good point.

[5jumpchump]

They should remove all UN aid from that area and double up on the security forces and resupply them with rubber bullets and go on a shooting spree .

[He219]

RIP
:(


It reminds me of the Americans, Brits, Swedes or whatever say 200 years ago, how did they do? Well they tortured and did very nasty stuff to other humans, one doesn´t have to be a historian to know that.
Really. Americans, Brit's or Swedes were doing this sort of stuff? I'm no Historian, but certainly don't recall what the @3*! you are writing about ...

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040331/t/r1512140216.jpghttp://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040331/thumb.ny11203311520.iraq_ny112.jpghttp://cache.*****images.com/thumb/3176596.jpg?x=x&a=3176596&b=afp&t=1http://cache.*****images.com/thumb/3177716.jpg?x=x&a=3177716&b=afp&t=1

I do think those responsible for the killing and mutilation ought to meet with Harry's rule ...

We caught 'em and we shot 'em under rule 303

[WARPIG]

Politics aside, Iraq needs to be rebuilt. Your gloating and deference to constructive measures only prolongs the agony of ordinary Iraqis and civilian aid workers whose goal is to improve conditions.

:roll:

Are we free of guilt? Is this what you call "constructive measures"?


Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!

And you called yourself a soldier?,are you totally devoid of any feelings over some of these ***** images?

Tell you what I'd be doing,I'd be printing them off,and every little Fuc* that was showing their faces would be facing retribution for their barbarism,you think the comrades of these slain will sit back and shrug their heads and say nothing,Payback WILL be a bitch......if these were PMC,they have no rules,and I would not shed a single tear to see Payback.

Fallujah will suffer over this,one way or another

Well, I hope it doesn´t come as a surprise to you, but I have feeling as well.
Actually I think those pictures are quite nasty and I don´t like the behaviour
from them. The thing is though, I don´t want that to happen to anyone, not even
those Iraqis. The difference between a average American soldier and those
Iraqis is that the soldier has a education and is kind of civilized. Those Iraqis
have neither. It reminds me of the Americans, Brits, Swedes or whatever
say 200 years ago, how did they do? Well they tortured and did very nasty
stuff to other humans, one doesn´t have to be a historian to know that.

Revenge may be sweet but I don´t think it fits into a western society, it´s demoralizing
and it will become like in Vietnam. And that is not good. From a judicial point of
view, well the men killing them are murderers. But how many are they? And they
are probably not on the pictures (atleast I didn´t see any armed men standing
there). And most of them just stood there and made asses of themselves, is that
a serious crime? Should they be kidnapped by Marines and shoot in the head in
some back alley because of that? I think not. The whole point in occupying
Iraq is as I have understood it to give them democracy. Then give it to them.
The coin has two sides remember.

Dammit mustamato.. I agree with that.

I think the natural reaction is to want to lash out at those involved. It doesn't really fix the problem though. At the same time, a strong response there can send the message that "it won't be tolerated again." Guerilla tactics and even some acts of terrorism have a role in war. They are meant to instill fear and confusion in the enemy. The act we speak on here is beyond any terrorism. Lack of education really isn't enough of an excuse for what happened here. Are they civilized? Well, depends on your perspective huh. Not exactly caves and trees that are pictured in the background. Revenge may be the emotional response that we all have, but we cannot let it drive our action.

[Aegirsson]

What's the point of all this posts?
I would just like to say to someone that said irak was a dictature and a threat...do you really believe that it was a threat?
I don't try to blame anyone, they got in war it's their problem, but please do not take us for stupid hollywood-soda fed childs, keep your "heroism" stories for you.
It is a war for petrodollar before everything else. But could we have achieve humanitarian goals without starting such a war? That's the interesting question, not "did oncle Sam saved the poor opressed irakians".

[Yard Ape]

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.But the attack is over. Iraq is defeated, and it would be a crime now not to rebuild it. Regardless of you opinion of the war, we can not go into the past and make it never happen. It did happen, and now the military & reconstruction efforts must be seen through to completion.


This was a heinous act perpetrated by a mob that had no political motive whatsoever. It was simply bloodlust. Mob mentality taken to an animalistic extreme. Saddly, I suspect there were organizers with specific strategic goals in mind. If they can destabilize reconstruction efforts & fan the flames of hate, they will hope to drag the US into its own Chechnya. Such a turn of events would make Iraq unwinnable.


Fallujah will suffer over this, one way or anotherDespite this mob, which showed itself to be a group of animals, Coalition forces must remain firm & fair. Reprisals will just mean that the murderers have won.

[SerbPVO]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.
Does the security contigent somehow justify the action of the mob, SerbPVO?
:roll:


A mob is a mob, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, Serbia or America.
I don't think anyone can really blame them - i guess its natural for people to act in such a way when there's more of them. Just like wolfs, who only hunt in packs.

And besides, similar things happend to Russians in Chechnya and Serbs in Kosovo & Bosnia...what are you gonna do.

[Yard Ape]

They should remove all UN aid from that area and double up on the security forces and resupply them with rubber bullets and go on a shooting spree .Then the murderers win.

[Red]

It is easy to say "keep a fair mind" but when you have been shot at before or seen a dear friend get killed,all that flies straight out tha window

[RomanS]

They should remove all UN aid from that area and double up on the security forces and resupply them with rubber bullets and go on a shooting spree .Then the murderers win.

Don't even have to remove UN
:P

[Argyll]

Revenge may be sweet but I don´t think it fits into a western society, it´s demoralizing
and it will become like in Vietnam. And that is not good. From a judicial point of
view, well the men killing them are murderers. But how many are they? And they
are probably not on the pictures (atleast I didn´t see any armed men standing
there). And most of them just stood there and made asses of themselves, is that
a serious crime? Should they be kidnapped by Marines and shoot in the head in
some back alley because of that? I think not. The whole point in occupying
Iraq is as I have understood it to give them democracy. Then give it to them.
The coin has two sides remember.


Standing by when a felony is being commited is a crime in itself I believe,the Lawmen here would know better.

Well I'm glad you have feelings over this,but bringing in Politics into this is wrong,IMHO.
There is a lot of anger here,me too,I'm angry and pissed,as I'm going there next week,my wife is freakin about this big time.

I believe these guys were set up,an ambush of this magnitude is not easy to plan,and I'd drop the fok who spilled the beans in less than a heartbeat

[Yard Ape]

It is easy to say "keep a fair mind" but when you have been shot at before or seen a dear friend get killed,all that flies straight out tha windowThat is the responsibility of the leadership to ensure we stay in the right. It is why the West puts such high requirments into its leadership. To stray from the moral high ground is to accept defeat.

[California Joe]

Yard Ape, I agree that whoever fired into that convoy had a political terroristic agenda. There were probably a few die hards that stirred them to a fever pitch. However, the average person does not all of a sudden masturbate with glee over burning dismembered bodies unless there is some sort of mental disconnect. The assholes grinning and cheering are the first ones to plead for their pathetic lives on the grounds of "well all the other guys in my neighborhood were doing it.....I just joined in because of peer pressure....I only took one arm from the dead woman and waved it about in orgasmic delight, it's not like I actually hung them from the bridge, that was the other guys..."

[Yard Ape]

California Joe,
I knew you were going that way and agree. But, it is essential that we not forget there where individuals that caculated this, because with this in mind we apreciate the damage we will do by responding at that level of inhumanity.

[WARPIG]

It is easy to say "keep a fair mind" but when you have been shot at before or seen a dear friend get killed,all that flies straight out tha windowThat is the responsibility of the leadership to ensure we stay in the right. It is why the West puts such high requirments into its leadership. To stray from the moral high ground is to accept defeat.
Actually, anything other than a strong military response would be criminal. I don't advocate refenge, or even a counter strike. But, military forces definately need to re-assert their presence in a big way there. We are clearly failing in the attempt to bring democracy in that area. Showing up to build a school isn't quite the right response right now for them.

[Chris1]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.

Who f*** cares? Its one thing to kill them, but another thing to drag them through the whole town and hang their burned corpses on a bridge, thats something you could do in medieval ages, but not anymore, its sick and gross.
:roll:
medieval?
sick and gross?
What exactly makes you think getting **** ing vapourised by arty round is any better?
What exactly makes you think having a 30mm blow someone apart is any better?
For that matter what makes you think getting your bollocks blown off by a mine and surviving is any better?
Dead is dead.
Its a terrible thing thats happened to these poor lads, but this sort of attitude simply leaves me scratching my head wondering what society has come to when they think killing people is one thing, but doing anything to the lifeless shell that remains is beyond evil?

To those who think such barbarism is only found in Arabs, look up Derek Wood and David Howes

[Red]

It is easy to say "keep a fair mind" but when you have been shot at before or seen a dear friend get killed,all that flies straight out tha windowThat is the responsibility of the leadership to ensure we stay in the right. It is why the West puts such high requirments into its leadership. To stray from the moral high ground is to accept defeat.
Actually, anything other than a strong military response would be criminal. I don't advocate refenge, or even a counter strike. But, military forces definately need to re-assert their presence in a big way there. We are clearly failing in the attempt to bring democracy in that area. Showing up to build a school isn't quite the right response right now for them.
My point excatly,there needs to be a strong show of force,no more smilling.Give them the message of "we smilled before but now if you try that ****e again,i'll hand you your arse"Maybe payback is not the right language but there has to be some sort of response.If there is no response then the coalition might as well pack their bags and leave.

[Yard Ape]

Actually, anything other than a strong military response would be criminal. I don't advocate refenge, or even a counter strike. But, military forces definately need to re-assert their presence in a big way there. .Very true, and I have said nothing against a military responce. However, all action must be just. I think we agree on this.

[Argyll]

It is easy to say "keep a fair mind" but when you have been shot at before or seen a dear friend get killed,all that flies straight out tha windowThat is the responsibility of the leadership to ensure we stay in the right. It is why the West puts such high requirments into its leadership. To stray from the moral high ground is to accept defeat.
Actually, anything other than a strong military response would be criminal. I don't advocate refenge, or even a counter strike. But, military forces definately need to re-assert their presence in a big way there. We are clearly failing in the attempt to bring democracy in that area. Showing up to build a school isn't quite the right response right now for them.

Showing up with a Battalion of M1A2's and Bradleys and 1000's Marines would make for an interesting building project ;)

[California Joe]

California Joe,
I knew you were going that way and agree. But, it is essential that we not forget there where individuals that caculated this, because with this in mind we apreciate the damage we will do by responding at that level of inhumanity.

I agree with you. We cannot just level the place out of a sense of revenge. Retaliation on a grand scale isn't an option. I'm not adverse to the perpetrators being identified through their pictures, well documented criminal acts have their merits, and silently dispatched with a midnight throat cutting though. Just some murderous thoughts.....

[talib_killa34]

First thing: Those Iraqi's in the pictures are all bloody savages.

Second: Why is there another debate over the justification of the Iraq War going on with this atrocity as the focal point?

Helex, I actually think there is some smug satisfaction you are getting from all of this.

Explain to me how that could be so? :(

[HELEX]

They want to make the american troops angry and frightened, angry to that point they do something wrong like shooting at a Car full of women and children like recently. They will win if every GI is searching for retaliation after that....

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Really. Americans, Brit's or Swedes were doing this sort of stuff? I'm no Historian, but certainly don't recall what the @3*! you are writing about ...

Barbarity of this nature occurs in peacetime in all countries it only gets worse during conflict and on a greater scale.

By SUE ANN PRESSLEY
The Washington Post

AUSTIN—Three white men, two of whom are former cellmates sporting white supremacist tattoos, were charged Tuesday with chaining a disabled black man to the back of their pickup and dragging him to his death along a rough dirt road in the wooded flatlands of eastern Texas.

The torn and battered body of James Byrd, Jr., 49, was discovered Sunday morning in a wooded area of Jasper County about 100 miles northeast of Houston; his head and right arm were missing. Those body parts, apparently severed as Byrd was dragged along a two-mile stretch of the isolated road were found a mile away, Jasper Sheriff Billy Rowles said.

Byrd, who suffered from what his sister described as a seizure disorder and did not drive, was last seen late Saturday walking home from a friend's anniversary party, his relatives said.

Charged with the murder were Shawn Allen Berry, 23, of Jasper; Lawrence Russell Brewer, 31 of Sulphur Springs, 50 miles east of Dallas; and John William King, 23, of Jasper. The sheriff said Brewer and King, who had been cellmates in a Texas prison, have tattoos that affiliate them with white supremacist groups, but did not describe the markings. The two had picked up Berry, an apparent friend who also has served time in prison, at his job at a Jasper movie theater. "It has been indicated to us that these guys, while they were in prison, were party of the Aryan Nation or the Ku Klux Klan." Rowles said at a news conference.

[b00n]

:roll:
medieval?
sick and gross?
What exactly makes you think getting f*** ing vapourised by arty round is any better?
What exactly makes you think having a 30mm blow someone apart is any better?
For that matter what makes you think getting your bollocks blown off by a mine and surviving is any better?
Dead is dead.
Its a terrible thing thats happened to these poor lads, but this sort of attitude simply leaves me scratching my head wondering what society has come to when they think killing people is one thing, but doing anything to the lifeless shell that remains is beyond evil?

To those who think such barbarism is only found in Arabs, look up Derek Wood and David Howes

Yeah medieval like beheadings or crucifications (or however its called), yes and dead is dead, thats what i meant, no need to burn them and drag them around AFTER they killed them.
And killing is one thing because they were soldiers or cia operatives anyhow they knew about the risk to get killed there. Doing something to the "lifeless shell" doesnt do any more harm to the victim but would you like your [insert friend or family member here] dragged around in the streets or hung from a bridge? probably not.
It has something to do with respect, maybe i just still believe in a "fair fight" where the winner has the dignity to leave after he has won and not show off his opponent.

I probably got a lot wrong, but english isnt my native language so youll have to excuse that.

[talib_killa34]

Then they are all F#$^@* animals!

Desecrating a dead body in whatever swamp or city you come from is L-O-W.

Low? Hell it's FOUL!

[California Joe]

That was abherrent behavior, not a neighborhood get together. Equally evil but that doesn't excuse the smiling faces around the bodies on the bridge. Can any of you actually say that you'd take part in that? I'm assuming the answer is no. Therefore we should ponder what kind of human purposefully does such a thing for fun and entertainment.

[Uncle Sam]

**Anger**

f*ck fallujah! They are nothing but a thorn in our side...Go in full force, weed out these animals, and f*cking smoke 'em!

I feel better...

[M1A2U2]

They are not animals, they are barbarians, scum, the worst the world has to offer. These people should be exterminated in a hitler like death camp. Their presence only brings evil. I think there is also a culture thing here at play, the civilized west, vs. the uncivilized east. The US and europe should colonize all of this land and civilize it. It is the western mans burden. How come once the west pulled out all these countries went to ****?

[talib_killa34]

Agreed.

I know whenever there is some large scale riot going in any part of the USA there is some pretty heinous stuff going on. Police cars burned, stores looted, people beaten or raped. Dragging bodies through the streets though.


Not common place, but could still happen here. :|

[Bootneck]

That was abherrent behavior, not a neighborhood get together. Equally evil but that doesn't excuse the smiling faces around the bodies on the bridge. Can any of you actually say that you'd take part in that? I'm assuming the answer is no. Therefore we should ponder what kind of human purposefully does such a thing for fun and entertainment.

And while we're at it let's ponder what kind of person brings their kids out to join in (as reported by the BBC)?

I take it Parenting magazine isn't big over there?

[RomanS]

**Anger**

f*ck fallujah! They are nothing but a thorn in our side...Go in full force, weed out these animals, and f*cking smoke 'em!

I feel better...
Totally agree with you bro.

I would of personally opened up on the crowd of those people by the bridge cheering the hanging corpses of those murdered people.

I would even take the court marshal, just so i can do this. But than again, with my sick mind they would never take me in US military.

It just those are the animals, no better than terrorists standing and cheering the death of their liberators.

In Chechnya (yes i know its not Iraq) there was an example with Sofrino Brigade guys in second war.
They were in the village with OMON, and found the headless corpses of their friends in the basement. There was also a tape in the house that the terrorists were enjoying a few hours ago.

On the tape was the brutal execution of 3 Russian soldiers. The animals than played soccer with their heads. On the tape were civilians playing along with the murderers. Couple of kids were actually picking out the eyes off the amputated head of a Russian soldier.

One of the BTR gunners opened up with the PKM on the screaming "allahy akbar, Russian swines coming here, and setting us up, we didnt cut their heads you swine ....

I have a great ammount of RESPECT for Coalition soldiers in Iraq, for staying calm after seeing **** like this.

Judge me all you want, but eye for an eye !

[He219]

A mob is a mob, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, Serbia or America. I don't think anyone can really blame them - i guess its natural for people to act in such a way when there's more of them. Just like wolfs, who only hunt in packs.

And besides, similar things happend to Russians in Chechnya and Serbs in Kosovo & Bosnia...what are you gonna do.
That certainly doesn't make it acceptible or normal either.

I totally disagree that a 'mob is a mob' even if the actions of this particular mob somewhat reflected the actions of mobs in the Balkans, Africa or Chechnya.

Even the Italians that strung up Mussolini did not mutilate the corpses ...

This was totally Savage behavior, not to be defended, rationalized or condoned. Period.

[Webley]

I find it a little too convenient that a film crew from Agence France-Presse (AFP) was there to film this ambush.

Remember when that other French news film crew were traveling with those insurgents that fired a surface to air missile at that airplane? The reporters filmed themselves and the insurgents going around town, driving past US troops while disguised with keffiyehs wrapped around their faces.

I think the Agence France-Press reporters should be treated like the enemy spies that they are.

[Elmo]

They are not animals, they are barbarians, scum, the worst the world has to offer. These people should be exterminated in a hitler like death camp. Their presence only brings evil. I think there is also a culture thing here at play, the civilized west, vs. the uncivilized east. The US and europe should colonize all of this land and civilize it. It is the western mans burden. How come once the west pulled out all these countries went to ****?

No, it is actually YOU who is civilized and the rest are uncivilized. Whatever good YOU are, the mythical member of the orient is not.
They are scum. They are irrational. They don't get it. They are evil.

You know what? They want that publicity. They need that publicity. They despise the American occupiers. They try to kill them. Why is it suddenly a big deal? There is a war going on, remember? And will be for a long time. There is no legitimate government. It's anarchy.

With your western superior rationality you should be able to grasp that and not become a sobbing racist.

[ARBERESH]

Not that it really matters right now, but they were ARMED.
Iraqis showed off some guns found with one of these "civillians".

Another had a Department of Defense ID.
Does the security contigent somehow justify the action of the mob, SerbPVO?
:roll:


A mob is a mob, whether they're in Somalia, Iraq, Serbia or America.
I don't think anyone can really blame them - i guess its natural for people to act in such a way when there's more of them. Just like wolfs, who only hunt in packs.

And besides, similar things happend to Russians in Chechnya and Serbs in Kosovo & Bosnia...what are you gonna do.

Sure that happens, commited by serbians and russians!

[RomanS]

Hey ALbanian liar !

Link at least one Russian or Serb to alqueda!
Just one!

I can link multiple groups of Albanians to alqueda and other terrorist groups.

So I'm waiting

and don't post a photo of a dead Serbian child, that was embarrasing for you.

And weren't you already banned TWICE!!! you're dumb animal just don't learn, don't you?

[WARPIG]

They are not animals, they are barbarians, scum, the worst the world has to offer. These people should be exterminated in a hitler like death camp. Their presence only brings evil. I think there is also a culture thing here at play, the civilized west, vs. the uncivilized east. The US and europe should colonize all of this land and civilize it. It is the western mans burden. How come once the west pulled out all these countries went to ****?

No, it is actually YOU who is civilized and the rest are uncivilized. Whatever good YOU are, the mythical member of the orient is not.
They are scum. They are irrational. They don't get it. They are evil.

You know what? They want that publicity. They need that publicity. They despise the American occupiers. They try to kill them. Why is it suddenly a big deal? There is a war going on, remember? And will be for a long time. There is no legitimate government. It's anarchy.

With your western superior rationality you should be able to grasp that and not become a sobbing racist.

Even the sobbing racist can't muster the hatred to mutilate dead bodies and taunt the "barbarians."
Take one stupid comment and counter it with an equally stupid comment.. sound thinking elmo.
With all that wisdom.. what is your idea of a solution? Should we leave? Yeah right.. and you wouldn't criticize the US for that too.
If this is going to be a platform for some political agenda.. why aren't any of you people contributing to any solutions for Iraq? Bad mouth the US, criticise those who support our presence in Iraq, disrespect the fallen soldiers and even civilians, and still no contribution. Even the mindless deaths, and mutilation of human beings isn't enough to put political opinion aside and see the horror for what it is and morn.

My prayers go out to the families of those victims. My heart is heavy for the horror that exists for the people in Fallujah, I pray for their souls. My service remains resolute, even in the face of political apathy.

[ARBERESH]

**Anger**

f*ck fallujah! They are nothing but a thorn in our side...Go in full force, weed out these animals, and f*cking smoke 'em!

I feel better...
Totally agree with you bro.

I would of personally opened up on the crowd of those people by the bridge cheering the hanging corpses of those murdered people.

I would even take the court marshal, just so i can do this. But than again, with my sick mind they would never take me in US military.

It just those are the animals, no better than terrorists standing and cheering the death of their liberators.

In Chechnya (yes i know its not Iraq) there was an example with Sofrino Brigade guys in second war.
They were in the village with OMON, and found the headless corpses of their friends in the basement. There was also a tape in the house that the terrorists were enjoying a few hours ago.

On the tape was the brutal execution of 3 Russian soldiers. The animals than played soccer with their heads. On the tape were civilians playing along with the murderers. Couple of kids were actually picking out the eyes off the amputated head of a Russian soldier.

One of the BTR gunners opened up with the PKM on the screaming "allahy akbar, Russian swines coming here, and setting us up, we didnt cut their heads you swine ....

I have a great ammount of RESPECT for Coalition soldiers in Iraq, for staying calm after seeing **** like this.

Judge me all you want, but eye for an eye !
Eye for an eye? So that the chechen that looks his house burned by russians is ok tha cut your heads like sweans?

Sure that you have respect! Because they have qualities and civilisation that you never will have!
The persons that hit the Allies, especially the Americans in Iraq, are criminals, that hit the liberator who have take away from their bloody hans the right of death or life on their people.
The chechen war is a resistance war agains a brutal invader, that can never bring freedom, hope and law, because these are concepts that never russains have known.
Americans don't behave like russians!
And the fact their are a civil and the greatest nation, because they fight AGAINST ARMED MEN, POSSIBLY WELL ARMED AND VERY DANGEROUS!
And not with children and woman and dissarmed people.
This is the reason that they are B O R N E D W I N N E R S!

[German_American]

How about some respect for the dead and have a moment of silence. RIP

[RomanS]

I lvoe how you are kissing the asses of Americans now.

So when Basaev took over a hospital with pregnant women, and executed a bunch. That is a fight for FREEDOM?

[Operation Ivy]

Wow :| i dont see how you get joy out of killing someone and draging them through the street,what bastards

RIP :(

[RomanS]

Sorry all if i disturbed this topic, i took my beef with the Albanian terrorist in the other thread.

RIP
God bless their families
PUNISH HARD THOSE WHO DID IT!

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

So when Basaev took over a hospital with pregnant women, and executed a bunch. That is a fight for FREEDOM?

On 21 October 1999 US satellites [reportedly the Defense Support Program] tracked two Russian short-range ballistic missile launched from the Russian city of Mozdok some 60 miles northeast of Grozny. The missiles slammed into a crowded Grozny marketplace and a maternity ward, killing at least 143 persons, according to reports from the region. The missiles are believed by intelligence analysts to have been SS-21s.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-21.htm
Both sides seem to be as bad as each other, state terror is no better than the Chechen terror. :(

[Russian Texan]

On 21 October 1999 US satellites [reportedly the Defense Support Program] tracked two Russian short-range ballistic missile launched from the Russian city of Mozdok some 60 miles northeast of Grozny. The missiles slammed into a crowded Grozny marketplace and a maternity ward, killing at least 143 persons, according to reports from the region. The missiles are believed by intelligence analysts to have been SS-21s.

That was a weapons market, no carrots were sold there...

[Yard Ape]

Do not turn this into another Russia vs Chechnia & Serbia vs Albania thread.

[WARPIG]

Someone please lock this.

[Elmo]

Even the sobbing racist can't muster the hatred to mutilate dead bodies and taunt the "barbarians."
Take one stupid comment and counter it with an equally stupid comment.. sound thinking elmo.
With all that wisdom.. what is your idea of a solution? Should we leave? Yeah right.. and you wouldn't criticize the US for that too.
If this is going to be a platform for some political agenda.. why aren't any of you people contributing to any solutions for Iraq? Bad mouth the US, criticise those who support our presence in Iraq, disrespect the fallen soldiers and even civilians, and still no contribution. Even the mindless deaths, and mutilation of human beings isn't enough to put political opinion aside and see the horror for what it is and morn.

My prayers go out to the families of those victims. My heart is heavy for the horror that exists for the people in Fallujah, I pray for their souls. My service remains resolute, even in the face of political apathy.

Welcome to the stupid comments club.

Solutions for Iraq? Listen, that pretty much is the US government responsibility...after all, they decided to go in with their loyal allies.
Did you miss out on something about a year ago?

I find it disturbing what they did to the casualties in there. I also find it disturbing that some fail to see how cold bloodedly rational it is. These people particularly in Fallujah have everything to lose because of the occupiers. Sure they want to pull a stunt like that.

And please cut down on that sentimental side of your arguments. This thread is as political as it can get, in fact, what could be more political than such extreme violence? And it is not only those who criticize Americans who post political arguments in this thread. You do it yourself all the time. You only cover it up by raising yourself above us brutes by mourning and weeping.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

That was a weapons market, no carrots were sold there...
I remember the footage on TV in the UK and it did not look any different from any other market from what was left of it, there was great speculation that the SS 21's very accurate missiles indeed were intended for high profile Chechen person who was meeting in the general area of the market?

[Tane Angle]

End it in here. You can talk about it in the dedicated thread, but nowhere else.