Fallujah: Some graphic images

[Sparky2129]

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"A U.S. Marine sets up position after four civilian contractors were believed killed March 31, 2004 on the outskirts of Fallujah, Iraq. The contractors died when their two cars were ambushed and set ablaze in the flashpoint town of Fallujah. Five U.S. military personnel were also killed Wednesday when a bomb exploded under their vehicle in a village near Fallujah. (Photo by Spencer Platt/***** Images)"
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"Iraqi men celebrate at the scene of an attack on two civilian vehicles that killed at least four foreign nationals on March 31, 2004 in Fallujah, Iraq. Local residents vented their anger by throwing stones at the burning vehicles and dragged out the mutilated bodies. The incident followed another attack in the town earlier in the day on a U.S. military convoy that killed 5 American soldiers. (Photo by Wathiq Khuzaie/***** Images)"
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"An Iraqi boy holds a sign that reads "Fallujah is the cemetary of the Americans" as a sport utility vehicle burns behind him following an attack on two civilian vehicles that killed at least four foreign nationals on March 31, 2004 in Fallujah, Iraq. Local residents vented their anger by throwing stones at the burning vehicles and dragged out the mutilated bodies. The incident followed another attack in the town earlier in the day on a U.S. military convoy that killed 5 American soldiers. (Photo by Wathiq Khuzaie/***** Images)"
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"A sport utility vehicle burns following an attack on two civilian vehicles that killed at least four foreign nationals on March 31, 2004 in Fallujah, Iraq. Local residents vented their anger by throwing stones at the burning vehicles and dragged out the mutilated bodies. The incident followed another attack in the town earlier in the day on a U.S. military convoy that killed 5 American soldiers. (Photo by Wathiq Khuzaie/***** Images)"

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[MetalBoy]

Boggles the mind that people can be so sick and twisted.

[marty649]

bastards...

[MVSpartan117]

bastards...


I concur

[Jack Mehoff]

I'd spray all my ammo into that ****ing crowd if I was there.

[marty649]

How would your react if that was a family member of yours and youve just seen that all over the news. I'd be going over there on a death wish to even the score

[MVSpartan117]

I wanna ****ing waste the lot of them! ERRRR!!!!

Those pics of the mutilating the bodies with the shovels piss me off so freaking much.

Bastards


:fork:

[marty649]

They think this will make the west realize how tough and unafraid they are. Reality though is that its dehumanizing them to the point of lack of care for their existence.

[MK133]

I wish those F#!*k's would come to the states and try that here!

[citizen-k]

Want to see the real photographs?

VERY GRAPHIC!!! (avoid in case you wish to stay in denial)

http://rotter.net/forum/scoop/5999.shtml

[Nizark]

wheres a fockin MOAB when ya need one

[mustamato]

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Aaah Trijicon x4 ACOG scope, good **** I´ve heard.

[big_les]

Jesus. Is it any wonder people are reacting with 'nuke the SoBs'? If it were my countrymen desecrating the dead my instinct would still be to wish them dead for their actions. But need to rise above the primitive impulse for revenge and remember that Iraq is full of decent people too.

That said...what can I say? Scum of the lowest order. Effective terrorism, but counterproductive; it will only make young US soldiers more likely to use deadly force upon civilians. And if they're civilians like these, bring it on.

[tenda]

kill em' all.....those f. bastard's........ :bash: :bash: :bash:

[percell_086]

Kill em all, let god sort em out

stupid bastards
percell

[HELEX]

kill em' all.....those f. bastard's........


Kill em all, let god sort em out

Very good examples!

This is exactely what the terrorist wanted to achiecve. :roll:

Now you are thinking the way THEY do... :cantbeli:

[George W. Bush]

What the hell are you talking about? Haven't you ever heard of a good old-fashioned avenging?

[tenda]

What the hell are you talking about? Haven't you ever heard of a good old-fashioned avenging?
.........it's only necessarie disconnect the media for one day and leave israel do the right justice..... ;)

[Haiw]

Fighting your enemies is one thing...but this is just sick. :|

[HELEX]

The point is, those who actually did the attack and killing are not the ones who did this morbid freakshow for TV. So you want to kill civillians who technically only mutilated dead bodys?
You want to level a whole city for that? For something maybe 100 People of 100,000 did? :cantbeli:

That.... :roll:

[Frost]

The point is, those who actually did the attack and killing are not the ones who did this morbid freakshow for TV. So you want to kill civillians who technically only mutilated dead bodys?
You want to level a whole city for that? For something maybe 100 People of 100,000 did? :cantbeli:

That.... :roll:

No, that just our first thought when seeing this happen. My blood started to boil when I saw these images. I want to burn each and every one of them myself. :bash:

But this is just our thoughts and almost all us us will never actually do these thing. THat's the difference between us and the terrorist and those iraqi civilans. If you would place an unarmed US soldier in the middle of that town the civilians will kill him and hang his body from the bridge too. We would never do such a thing to an iraqi terrorist. We will also never show a dead enemy and display him as a war-trophy. Those people are just sick. The entire middle-east and most part of africa is just filles with people who don't care about such things. They have no remourse or reason.

So although my first thought would be to kill em, I would never realy do this. However; I do hope they kill those guys who attacked the vehicle. This is not part of war, targeting and killing civilians (on purpose) are warcrimes.

[Rilence]

i really cant understand how ppl can be like this and not be.....human and i wonder how kids can be near a mutilated body and not be......sigh.......











RIP

[firwinn]

We will also never show a dead enemy and display him as a war-trophy

How bout saddams sons :|

[HELEX]

We will also never show a dead enemy and display him as a war-trophy.

Stop this ****ing america will never do thing! What did you do whith Saddams Sons?
They deserved to get killed, but wasnt that showig dead enemys as a throphy??? :cantbeli:

[George W. Bush]

Just a couple more month HELEX then we'll be out for good and celebrate the recovering economy with Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.

[HELEX]

Nothing against that, and I will celebrate the next american elections at McDonalds :D

Just a couple of Month more.... reminds me of Vietnam..... :roll:

In the end the US-Troops will leave and Iraq will be a islamic fundamentalists State... :(

[Haiw]

Just a couple more month HELEX then we'll be out for good and celebrate the recovering economy with Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast.
Just a couple of more months and.... you'll change your name to John Kerry? :D

[George W. Bush]

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=asw0b6inkoGs&refer=us

Oops, looks like moron Kerry is having a bit of trouble. Let's hope this is just a case of pre-election jitters. :lol:

[Haiw]

Dude, even if he didn't do a SINGLE THING in office he'd be a better president than Dubya... :D

[scm77]

Showing saddams sons was to prove to iraqis that they were actually dead because the iraqis thought it was all a bunch of lies. :bash:

[Bootneck]

From another time and another place but...

THE GRAVE OF THE HUNDRED HEAD
by Rudyard Kipling

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun,
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

A Sniper squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern Dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifle in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face -
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race -
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state;
With fifty file of Burman
To open him Heaven's gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay -
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar's flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village -
The village of Pabengmay,
And the "drip-drip-drip" from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man's chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below,
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris -
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Snipers squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a kullah's head
Must be paid for with heads five score.

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun,
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

[Threelions]

Showing saddams sons was to prove to iraqis that they were actually dead because the iraqis thought it was all a bunch of lies.

Wasnt that the same purpose of showing the dead americans? Doesnt it show Iraqis who may be turned to the Anti-American side that americans can be killed, and thereby defeated? Dont over simplify your understanding of your enemy by thinking this is just a random psychotic act. Things like this serve the same purpose as showing saddams dead sons on TV. It shows the indestructable American conqueror as an enemy that can be defeated.

Before everyone attacks me i would like to make it clear that i dont condon this crap, but i think to understand acts of violence you have to think without emotion.

Cheers

[MVSpartan117]

kill em' all.....those f. bastard's........


Kill em all, let god sort em out

Very good examples!

This is exactely what the terrorist wanted to achiecve. :roll:

Now you are thinking the way THEY do... :cantbeli:

I thought terrorists tried to impose a state of terror

[Seoulstriker]

kill em' all.....those f. bastard's........


Kill em all, let god sort em out

Very good examples!

This is exactely what the terrorist wanted to achiecve. :roll:

Now you are thinking the way THEY do... :cantbeli:

I thought terrorists tried to impose a state of terror

he's from europe (probably). give him a break. :lol:

[Fotch]

I'd spray all my ammo into that f*** crowd if I was there.

They should have called in a couple of A-10s and turned that whole street into a crater. I'm sorry but my normally 'pacifist Canadian' sensibilities have been offended by these animals. Even the children 10-12 were kicking those bodies. How do you deal with people like these? How do we feel sympathy for a culture that is so utterly devoid of humanity and compassion. This isn't Somolia and dragging corpses through the streets is not going to deter the US/UK/et al resolution to stay and finish this.

[citizen-k]

I hate bodies display of any kind, but there is a difference between showing 2 bodies of dead people who were killed during a fight - as a proof for their death,(as in Saddams sons) to a thing like that...

I don't think we will ever see pictures of American (or ant civil country) soldiers who burn&hang bodies of dead enemy soldiers.

Doing that is sick, no matter what the target is - dead people are DEAD, celebrate your victory after you give them a proper burial.

[bloddyaxe]

It would be nice if the Americans would just put the Mongols in command of Iraq... Then it would be just like old times. :)
Imagine the pictures of completely destroyed cities and hundreds of thouands of Iraqi heads in piles....

[Luxembourger]

You can call me a brutal racist but all the people who were enjyoing the death of the 4 inocent civilain contractors killed and then hanging them burnt on a bridge , should be catched , including the kids who are no more kids in my eyes, and once catched torture them to death and then light them on and let them burn , then you should hang them too in Falujahh .


IF Fallujah citiy does not want to take part in the rebuilding of iraq then termniate the whole city , but before make sure there is no media close to the city . After you have terminated fallujah , tell the press that meteroite fell on the city.

I am sorry but the death of every Coaallition soldier, Civilian contractor is a personal thing to me !!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

[Fotch]

You can call me a brutal racist but all the people who were enjyoing the death of the 4 inocent civilain contractors killed and then hanging them burnt on a bridge , should be catched , including the kids who are no more kids in my eyes, and once catched torture them to death and then light them on and let them burn , then you should hang them too in Falujahh .


IF Fallujah citiy does not want to take part in the rebuilding of iraq then termniate the whole city , but before make sure there is no media close to the city . After you have terminated fallujah , tell the press that meteroite fell on the city.

I am sorry but the death of every Coaallition soldier, Civilian contractor is a personal thing to me !!! :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :-*$ :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork:

Some days it does seem like the only way to change the hearts and minds of these people is to stop them from workings.... .
Maybe the Crusades should be restarted? :bash:
Maybe the Monguls had it right? :bash:

[Luxembourger]

Some days it does seem like the only way to change the hearts and minds of these people is to stop them from workings.... .

what the hell is that ?
don t you feel any anger for what happend in Fallujah ?

[Fotch]

Some days it does seem like the only way to change the hearts and minds of these people is to stop them from workings.... .

what the hell is that ?
don t you feel any anger for what happend in Fallujah ?

Whoa there! You misunderstood me. I'm on your side Lux. :)

to paraphrase:
Some days it does seem like the only way to change the hearts and minds of these people is to stop them from workings....
=
the only way to change the hearts and minds of the ppl that did this and the mob that ensued is to kill them...nothing else will change how they think or their actions....

[Luxembourger]

UPS damn I am sorry , That s why my english is bad !!!

SORRY !!!
:hug:

[Fenna]

These photos are absolutely sickening.

I think falluja needs to be surrounded and isolated from the rest of Iraq.

I more basic form of justice needs to be administered there.

Could start by chucking out those journalists

[HELEX]

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bargus/guilty1.jpg

Most of them are children...

[Fotch]

UPS damn I am sorry , That s why my english is bad !!!

SORRY !!!
:hug:

no problem :lol:

[impyRM03]

omg this makes me increadibly angry

[Argyll]

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bargus/guilty1.jpg

Most of them are children...


so you said in the other post..............so fokin what,they're old enough to understand right from wrong...........I'd thrash the little bast*rds and then thrash the parents,then I'd level their homes.....Gaza style.

Then I'd get some B52's to drop pigs feet all over Fallujah...........if you don't like it ...............Tough ****.........they are beyond education,tell me where in the Quran it says this is an acceptable thing to do?

[Threelions]

Is it just me or does it seem odd that the only solutions anyone seems to generate are those to which we are told caused this mess we call "operation iraqi freedom"? Since the WMD cause fell through we have been told that the "coalition" invaded to free iraqis from a vicious dictartorship that brutalized its people.

So ok, we are all the moral victors over tyranny. Yeah for the the UK and USA. Yet, so far the only solutions to the falluja mess is to burn, torture, murder, mutilate people, and dont forget to censor the press by ejecting reporters. Hmm, sounds very much like the pre invasion iraqi way of dealing with people and problems.

If there is one thing we should all learn its that the old eye for an eye solution is no solution at all, its in fact a cause. It causes the perpetuation of great things like Pali-Isreali conflict, Ulster, chechnya, Balkan mess, and a million other tit for tat conflicts around the world.

Cause a stupid war, deal with the stupid consequences.

Cheers

[Fotch]

http://img30.photobucket.com/albums/v89/bargus/guilty1.jpg

Most of them are children...


so you said in the other post..............so fokin what,they're old enough to understand right from wrong...........I'd thrash the little bast*rds and then thrash the parents,then I'd level their homes.....Gaza style.

Then I'd get some B52's to drop pigs feet all over Fallujah...........if you don't like it ...............Tough ****.........they are beyond education,tell me where in the Quran it says this is an acceptable thing to do?

:lol:

You are officially now my favorite Mod...

[Trident-za]

This kinda thing is sickening, for me... it's difficult to understand the rationale behind this sort of behaviour. I was told by someone today that Muslim culture states that people who's corpses are not buried "whole" don't go to heaven. Is this true (I mean is it a muslim belief)?

It doesn't condone the behaviour, or make me less pissed off, but it is at least some sort of explanation. Very foreign to my way of thinking, but perhaps not to their culture.....

The fact that kids were involved really makes me sad. I would still consider a kid with a weapon a legitimate target, but f**k- it leaves a bad taste in my mouth......

[Argyll]

This kinda thing is sickening, for me... it's difficult to understand the rationale behind this sort of behaviour. I was told by someone today that Muslim culture states that people who's corpses are not buried "whole" don't go to heaven. Is this true (I mean is it a muslim belief)?

It doesn't condone the behaviour, or make me less pissed off, but it is at least some sort of explanation. Very foreign to my way of thinking, but perhaps not to their culture.....

The fact that kids were involved really makes me sad. I would still consider a kid with a weapon a legitimate target, but f**k- it leaves a bad taste in my mouth......


I do not believe there was any culture or religion shown present in Fallujah yesterday with the desecration of these men,it was sheer bloodlust,it was beyond anything comprehensible for 99% of the forum members here.I was under the impression that the body was sacred regardless the religion on the Muslim belief.

The hatred in that city has to come from somewhere,if it were the Clerics.......easy soloution you drive up to their Mosque,and you level it,you detain,arrest,try and convict the cleric ASAP,then you go to the Mayor and ditto,then you go to the next man in line and ditto,the softly softly approach will not work in Fallujah,so you do it mob handed,and you are then showing these Fux who's the boss,and it sends a clear message to those who were behind the attacks,just who is in control.

As for those greeting pussies like HELEX.......bite me!!

[Fotch]

This kinda thing is sickening, for me... it's difficult to understand the rationale behind this sort of behaviour. I was told by someone today that Muslim culture states that people who's corpses are not buried "whole" don't go to heaven. Is this true (I mean is it a muslim belief)?

It doesn't condone the behaviour, or make me less pissed off, but it is at least some sort of explanation. Very foreign to my way of thinking, but perhaps not to their culture.....

The fact that kids were involved really makes me sad. I would still consider a kid with a weapon a legitimate target, but f**k- it leaves a bad taste in my mouth......

The Americans that died are not seen as The Faithful in Muslim culture. They would not have been going to Paradise...well maybe as slaves to those that killed them...I'll have to check my Western Religions university text...

[Trident-za]

Good points Argyll and Fotch... just to reiterate: I in NO WAY condone the behaviour that went on. This kind of savegery has no place in any world I want to live in. Was just trying to find out if what I'd heard was correct.....

[Uncle Sam]

HELEX...dont use that image as your propaganda...A-hole !!!!

[Fotch]

Good points Argyll and Fotch... just to reiterate: I in NO WAY condone the behaviour that went on. This kind of savegery has no place in any world I want to live in. Was just trying to find out if what I'd heard was correct.....

Ditto...

I just thank God we have someone that will fight for a world that we DO want to live in...

[HELEX]

HELEX...dont use that image as your propaganda...A-hole !!!!

Hey, you made and posted it first. And it is not modified in any way.... :cantbeli:

A statement saying your own Picture is propaganda for me *OWNED* rofl

[TALOS]

Is it just me or does it seem odd that the only solutions anyone seems to generate are those to which we are told caused this mess we call "operation iraqi freedom"? Since the WMD cause fell through we have been told that the "coalition" invaded to free iraqis from a vicious dictartorship that brutalized its people.

So ok, we are all the moral victors over tyranny. Yeah for the the UK and USA. Yet, so far the only solutions to the falluja mess is to burn, torture, murder, mutilate people, and dont forget to censor the press by ejecting reporters. Hmm, sounds very much like the pre invasion iraqi way of dealing with people and problems.

If there is one thing we should all learn its that the old eye for an eye solution is no solution at all, its in fact a cause. It causes the perpetuation of great things like Pali-Isreali conflict, Ulster, chechnya, Balkan mess, and a million other tit for tat conflicts around the world.

Cause a stupid war, deal with the stupid consequences.

Cheers
I agree with you except in one case, I think the war in Iraq was necessary and that WMD was only apart of it and quite frankly everyone (not just Bush) believed we would find them.
I think most of the members here are just venting because those pics and the story were so abhorrent.
And Helex, yes the offenders were kids, doesnt that worry you? at such a young age a complete lack of moral kindness? they are being groomed to be the next murderers just as Saddam was and Saddams sons. If nothing else the US needs to get education in to Iraq for the next generation after these already ruined specimens are gone.
Some one said in another post that they need to cordon Fallujah with a division and then move in house to house and search every physical foot of that town. (no, he didnt mean kill everyone) I agree, they need to absolutely show overwhelming authority there, then they can do the food, security, prosperity thing.
Just my opinion

[wholagun]

What I don't understand is why the news networks won't show this on TV? I know you can go online and see the pics, but if I supported the war I would wanna see the consqeuences of my support. If I don't like what hahppened to the soliders (and its sick and twisted) but if I supporeted it I wanna see it. Do you Americans know why they won't show it?

[HELEX]

Because this ensures only those who want to have to see this Pics.

[Uncle Sam]

HELEX...dont use that image as your propaganda...A-hole !!!!

Hey, you made and posted it first. And it is not modified in any way.... :cantbeli:

A statement saying your own Picture is propaganda for me *OWNED* rofl

I used it as a statement you use it as propaganda. The only person who is "owned" is you. You are an instigator. You will fail.

[Threelions]

I think the war in Iraq was necessary and that WMD was only apart of it and quite frankly everyone (not just Bush) believed we would find them.


You are way off on that one. WMD was sold to the world as the primary reason for this mess. The reason has changed several times since the begining of hostilities, but WMD was the primary argument to invade iraq. I'm fairly sure that everyone didnt believe there were WMD. France, germany, Canada, the UN weapons inspectors, to name but a few weren't sold on the WMD.

Cheers

[MARINO]

It's amazing how bloody people are arabs, they are not courageous, they were under Saddam cause he was worts tham them, but if you have the possibilite of defeat them they don't fight.
It's worse than Somalia, worst than Spanish officers killed in Iraq, is the worst of worst.

[wholagun]

Because this ensures only those who want to have to see this Pics.

ok yes i do understand that, but some people may choose to not see these pic and may choose to ignore this event. If your gonna support anything you should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Honestly, what do people think, that they can send troops to war knowing they will die and just not look at what the troops face in the war zone? I find that irresponsible on the part of the citizens who don't choose to look at these pics. I found the pics very graphic but I will look at least I didn't irgnore them.

[HELEX]

That is a political thing, look at the mainstream rightwing "New York Post". They didnt even put it on the title. Foxnews switched fast as hell to this abduction case..... and....

[TALOS]

I think the war in Iraq was necessary and that WMD was only apart of it and quite frankly everyone (not just Bush) believed we would find them.


You are way off on that one. WMD was sold to the world as the primary reason for this mess. The reason has changed several times since the begining of hostilities, but WMD was the primary argument to invade iraq. I'm fairly sure that everyone didnt believe there were WMD. France, germany, Canada, the UN weapons inspectors, to name but a few weren't sold on the WMD.

Cheers
Actually there have been in numerous threads and newspaper columns quotes from politicians even in france and germany and canada showing people believed there were WMD in Iraq, the only reason Canada didnt go to Iraq is because there was no vote of support in the UN... and why wasnt there a vote? ... o yeah, someone said they were gonna veto it making the whole exercise moot.


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[MK133]

Most of them are children... :cantbeli:

Get'm while there young! :-*$

[Fotch]

I think the war in Iraq was necessary and that WMD was only apart of it and quite frankly everyone (not just Bush) believed we would find them.


You are way off on that one. WMD was sold to the world as the primary reason for this mess. The reason has changed several times since the begining of hostilities, but WMD was the primary argument to invade iraq. I'm fairly sure that everyone didnt believe there were WMD. France, germany, Canada, the UN weapons inspectors, to name but a few weren't sold on the WMD.

Cheers

In the end...done is done. WMD or no WMD Hussein was a maniacal tyrant who killed 10s of thousands of his own people. His war with Iran killed 100s of thousands or his population, many of which were conscripted from regions of the country that were ‘against’ him. His sons...the next generation of tyrants were rapists, torturers and murderers. Enough of countries being run by thugs, no better than Mafioso. Enough of these people having any kind of world power when most of their country does not recognize them as a leader. Sounds like reason enough to go into any country. Like it or not…if you do not play by the worlds rules…the world will lay the smack down on you. Simple really.

[Jeff White]

Plenty of knee jerk reactions on here, which is understanable given the circumstances surrounding the deaths of the men concerned. I've read similar stuff on other sites along the lines of 'lets bomb the crap out of the place'. It won't happen..........you know it and I know it.

Remember these murders occurred in the Sunni triangle where theres still plenty of Saddam supporters about, ask yourself what were these guys doing there, did they have back up............certainly not the same back up available to regular forces thats for sure, and even they tend not to venture too far into these places without being prepared.

Venting your frustration on here is all well and good, it gets it out of your system...........fine, crack on. The difference between us and them is that we would (hopefully) not actually stoop to their level in reality.

As a kid I recall looking at pictures from the 30's and 40's from the southern states in the US of men hanging from trees with people stood around with smiles on their faces...........and the men they hung were not 'invaders' but born and raised there.

Makes you think.

[MK133]

Here is part of a post in the Tactical Forums from an Operator who has done some work for Blackwater.


One of the 4 contractors killed in Fallujah, Iraq yesterday was a former SEAL. The others had Army SF background. The families of the dead men have requested their names withheld from the public at this time. Anyone with "the scoop" is asked to refrain from posting names in a public place. Local newspaper reports claim 3 former SEALs were killed and this is not correct.

Link to thread http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000824.html

[Fotch]

Here is part of a post in the Tactical Forums from an Operator who was an instructor at Blackwater.


One of the 4 contractors killed in Fallujah, Iraq yesterday was a former SEAL. The others had Army SF background. The families of the dead men have requested their names withheld from the public at this time. Anyone with "the scoop" is asked to refrain from posting names in a public place. Local newspaper reports claim 3 former SEALs were killed and this is not correct.

Link to thread http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000824.html

Yup!!! You can bet there will be some itchy trigger fingers in the special op community for a while. And that won't compare to the Security Firm that got hit. All their people are probably up in arms ready to commandere some tanks and suck and just lay waste. I talked to a GB buddy of mine in Afghan, on a Sat-Phone, last night. Some of the people he 'works' with are a little F***in' upset. A couple of the ppl he works for (guys that don't report through chain of command...but can command chain of command...if U smell what I'm cookin') are a lot F***in' upset.

[Sierra]

bastards...I aggree

[Fenna]

The thing is, would anyone even care if some US Marines suddenly got spasms in their trigger fingers in Fallujah after this?

[Fotch]

The thing is, would anyone even care if some US Marines suddenly got spasms in their trigger fingers in Fallujah after this?

Not today...

[MK133]

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a4rjl7V.kYq0&refer=us

``We will be back in Fallujah,'' Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt said today in Baghdad about the U.S. Marines who operate in the area, according to a transcript. ``It will be at the time and the place of our choosing. We will hunt down the criminals. We will kill them or we will capture them. And we will pacify Fallujah.''

[Fotch]

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a4rjl7V.kYq0&refer=us

``We will be back in Fallujah,'' Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt said today in Baghdad about the U.S. Marines who operate in the area, according to a transcript. ``It will be at the time and the place of our choosing. We will hunt down the criminals. We will kill them or we will capture them. And we will pacify Fallujah.''

Did he just say: "We need to mass enough troops together to go in in force and knock down every damn door in that miserable little town. In the mean time no one leaves, no one goes in."

Hehehehe....I think he did....I think the Artillery guys are going to be busy next week....

[Fenna]

I think some napalm is in order

[Fotch]

I think some napalm is in order

Nah. It will be a sweep and clear op. They will zone artillery and have a large armor contingent...then sweep zone to zone...hopefully pushing the roaches they are after into one district. Any resistance beings down Thor's Hammer. Then level that district in a 'hard fought battle to cease the Insurgent operations for good'. I think I just had a premenition of tomorrow's headlines...yikes.

[Luxembourger]

As a kid I recall looking at pictures from the 30's and 40's from the southern states in the US of men hanging from trees with people stood around with smiles on their faces...........and the men they hung were not 'invaders' but born and raised there.


I don t see your point? I can also say that during the french revoltuion they hang people and people were watching too , or during the Crusades they did that and this ...I don t see the connection about what you are saying?

[HELEX]

So what will they find? Nothing, maybe 10% of the weapons if they are lucky...

When the Marines leave they just dig out their weapons again. :roll:

[wholagun]

That is a political thing, look at the mainstream rightwing "New York Post". They didnt even put it on the title. Foxnews switched fast as hell to this abduction case..... and....

unfortunelty I don't get to watch TV often in residence so I havn't seen any news coverage this has recieved.

[TALOS]

So what will they find? Nothing, maybe 10% of the weapons if they are lucky...

When the Marines leave they just dig out their weapons again. :roll:
I dont think it will be a shallow sweep, I think they will be quite intense. They do have ways to find things and one of the reports I heard on CNN from Jane Arraf is that many Iraqis are cooperating with the coalition so maybe we will see some good progress

[zachary harten]

I don't care what nationality (even though I'm very much an American) but dragging and degrading corpses is just not something you do... no matter how much you hate them for nothing. Justice must be given not only for the U.S. but for the poor families of those in the event. It's people like those children (many older than myself) that make me want to go to war and kick the ever- loving snot out of them... in two years when I'm 18 I will do just that (if we don't puss out). F*ck 'em. Those aren't children. Kids aren't capable of such atrocities against humanity. Turn the city of faboola****itybob into a crater.

Brief peace is established through war ;)

[tacticalmanta]

You are way off on that one. WMD was sold to the world as the primary reason for this mess. The reason has changed several times since the begining of hostilities, but WMD was the primary argument to invade iraq. I'm fairly sure that everyone didnt believe there were WMD. France, germany, Canada, the UN weapons inspectors, to name but a few weren't sold on the WMD.

Cheers

Wow, talk about being out of the loop. There is no question there was WMD. In fact we know where are lot of them are. However, it's a handful of vocal moronic Western Europeans which will keep Syria safe for the next few years. By this time, it will be difficult to know which countries received ambulances full of gas and germ canisters.

As for the idea of leveling a Mosque.. excellent way to unify the entire muslim world against you. I am guessing most of these comments are not from real servicemen.

[TOTEM]

The question here is...what shall be done??
Win their hearts and minds?
Ignore them??
Keep helping them?
Order a couple of B1's armed with FAB bombs do a nice example of the town of Falluhjah???
Nuke the Meca??

What really scared me most is the fact that this kids soner o later will be grown men,and what kind of examples where given to them??
Dance over a burned human being singing Ala is great???
I think the line between the human and the animal is almost nothing.

[Navy]

I cant belive that some ppl are trying to use this as an political thread.

I mean, have some fooking respect to the dead. Yes they were PROBABLY dead before being cut in peacies by the mob, but you treath the dead with respect.

I am so fooking tired about this political ****.

I am tired of the albanians, the serbs, the stupid german called hellex.

Now, lets hope that we win the war on terrorism.

[TALOS]

The question here is...what shall be done??
Win their hearts and minds?
Ignore them??
Keep helping them?
Order a couple of B1's armed with FAB bombs do a nice example of the town of Falluhjah???
Nuke the Meca??

What really scared me most is the fact that this kids soner o later will be grown men,and what kind of examples where given to them??
Dance over a burned human being singing Ala is great???
I think the line between the human and the animal is almost nothing.
Yes, you are right definately, but what does the coalition do? that is whats the crux of the problem. We all know there are probs but HOW to deal with them.

[George W. Bush]

I think a tactical hearts and minds doctrine needs to be adopted. Shoot them in the body or the head, just make sure you shoot them first, :|

[Yard Ape]

The attack on Iraq was a Crime, nothing else.
But the attack is over. Iraq is defeated, and it would be a crime now not to rebuild it. Regardless of you opinion of the war, we can not go into the past and make it never happen. It did happen, and now the military & reconstruction efforts must be seen through to completion.


This was a heinous act perpetrated by a mob that had no political motive whatsoever. It was simply bloodlust. Mob mentality taken to an animalistic extreme.
Sadly, while the majority was just a mob, I suspect there were organizers with specific strategic goals in mind. If they can destabilize reconstruction efforts & fan the flames of hate, they will hope to drag the US into its own Chechnya. Such a turn of events would make Iraq unwinnable. This does not prohibit increased military presence and security measures.


Fallujah will suffer over this, one way or another
Despite this mob, which showed itself to be a group of animals, Coalition forces must remain firm & fair. The leadership must retain tight control of their soldiers. Reprisals will just mean that the murderers have won.


kill em' all.....those f. bastard's........ :bash: :bash: :bash:
Kill em all, let god sort em outThen the murderers would win.


They should have called in a couple of A-10s and turned that whole street into a crater. This would only produce more terrorists.


an eye for an eye.......... p-)
Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.
an eye for an eye

oh and don't forget the pigs blood, lots and lots of pigs bloodThen the terrorists win.


Welcome to reality vs the comfortable computer chair you are at Helex. War isn't a game or a sport. Bringing peace, democracy and freedom to the Middle East is going to take blood, sweat and a lot of tears. If Iraq is to truly become a democratic state with equality and freedom for all...those freedoms will have to be stepped on for a time so that the ends may justify the means. Here is the truth. However, there must be a valid reason for every infringement on rights & freedoms. Any other way will only breed more hate.


Someone on another thread had a wonderful idea about what to do with these goddamn ragheads.....we should do what the Russians did in Grozny...surrond the city so that NONE of them can leave and just level the city with Artillery, bombs, and rockets. Kill every single last one of them. Women, Children, old men, men, absolutely everyone. Just make sure that when we are done there is not a single living organism in the town. If other countries don't like us, too f'in bad. deal with it.

Or in the alternative, we could just drop a few MOABs on the town in the middle of the night while everyone is asleep. I mean it's not like the town is of any value to anyone except terrorists. These acts would swell the ranks of terrorists in every Islamic country in the world. To stray from the moral high ground is to accept defeat.


There are simply some terrible people in the world. Zimbabwae, Algeria, Congo, North Korea, Iran, Saudi, Syrai... will all see their day in the spotlight. One battle at a time...fight the fight that can be won now...then...and only then...move onto the next.
I hope you are right.


If there is one thing we should all learn its that the old eye for an eye solution is no solution at all, its in fact a cause. It causes the perpetuation of great things like Pali-Isreali conflict, Ulster, chechnya, Balkan mess, and a million other tit for tat conflicts around the world. I second this.

[Yard Ape]

Yes, you are right definately, but what does the coalition do? that is whats the crux of the problem. We all know there are probs but HOW to deal with them.We need to take the same approach as in Afghanistan: win hearts & minds and educate.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11285



Joe public loves creaming himself over SF, but Sappers and Medics are what wins 'the savage wars of peace'.There is the truth. The populace will support whoever keeps them safe, respects thier rights, and brings the infrastructure for them to live (schools, hospitals, clean water, electricity, etc). Where you find terrorist organisations providing these things, you may find a populace that is willing to accept the terrorists. Where nobody provides these things, you will find a disgruntled populace that may turn to violence.

[exoninja]

How feasible do you think it is for someone to get an M4 or AK47, fly over to Iraq, kill all the Iraqs he sees for 2 days, then fly back?

[SerbPVO]

Less feasible than seeing you caught by airport security and sent a nut house.

[George W. Bush]

Yeah, it's very easy. Fly over to Iraq, buy a few AKs for you and friends, some commo equipment and go into Fallujah in the cover of night.

[Yard Ape]

How feasible do you think it is for someone to get an M4 or AK47, fly over to Iraq, kill all the Iraqs he sees for 2 days, then fly back? :cantbeli:

[TALOS]

How feasible do you think it is for someone to get an M4 or AK47, fly over to Iraq, kill all the Iraqs he sees for 2 days, then fly back? :cantbeli:

umm yeah that is truly ahhh disturbing

[MKtexan]

I cant believe these people are so sick and twisted!!! what is the military supposed to do about these people in Falluja?

[Yard Ape]

I cant believe these people are so sick and twisted!!! what is the military supposed to do about these people in Falluja?I think you will find some suggestions are not that far away: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=208972#208972

[DeathForSale]

Was this when you were codenamed AK Lover or Serbian Boy?

^exactly.

Darn how'd you figure it out so fast?!

Hey I started posting good stuff and then you guys banned me from something I did before. Is Albanian banned? did you see his posts?
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I am a teenage immigrant from Serbia (or so I claim) living in Canada.
By my own admission, I have never been in combat nor have I served in any military unit.

I use my internet time to post false claims, incite hate speech and flame other posters. My goals are to disrupt decent and constructive conversations. I offer nothing of value. My only redemption could come in the form of an intelligent, well written, sincere, and (because the MODS know more than they let on) honest apology admitting my wrong doing, dis-honest acts and reasons, that I will post in a thread entitled - "Why I continue to break forum rules?"
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[ibstolidude]

You know after you have fought against muslims for 3 whole years and against some of their worst kind I found it out to be easy to kill them. One of the things that haunts me still is when I was volunteering in Kosovo and we entered a small hamelet we searched a couple houses and found UCK uniforms and we pulled a whole family out into the courtyard, we asked them about the uniforms and they refused to speak, one of the russian soldiers who lost his brother in chechnya (executed by "rebel" fighters) lost his temper and pulled up the oldest son pushed him to the ground and put the uniform on his back, it fit perfectly, the guy I think noticed that (i'll call him sergeiy) was russian and he was asking for it by starting to yell at him all this muslim crap about chechnya, I could see in sergeiy's eyes the flame and next the mother starts laughing! Next thing I saw was sergeiy pull out his knife and just cut his throat open right their on the ground, the blood just started pulsing out in little waves and the boy grabbed at his throat and was flopping around like a fish, I (am sad to say) was annoyed by this and pulled out my CZ and shot him square in the forhead. We left the family knowing that if we find anymore UCK uniforms or anything related that a similair fate was awaiting them. I don't feel any remorse for what I did but still have dreams about it. :|
Was this when you were codenamed AK Lover or Serbian Boy?

[DeathForSale]

^exactly.

[DeathForSale]

Darn how'd you figure it out so fast?!

[Beowulf]

locked until we can clean up ak lover's mess. any further posts by death for sale will be deleted.