REQ-What do terrorists actually want?

[cosimo]

Would someone be kind enough to tell me what so called Islamic terror groups actually want. Is there a common goal amongst them? I asked a group of people what exactly the goal was of the 9/11 attack. There was a lot of murmuring about radical islamics etc but no one seemed clear about what the objective beyond mass murder actually was.

It there is a common goal amongst these groups, what do people think about those goals? If the terrorists achieved their objective, would the attacks actually stop.

Perhaps I've kept myself in the dark and am a fool for not knowing these things, do go easy on me if you think that. I ask the above questions to bring myself up to speed on the situation.

[Dronetek]

Why do you have to ask? They have told the world many times what they want:

1. Islamic caliphate
2. And end to Israeli domminanice in the middle east
3. An end to America (Western influence)

[Lazy Lob]

They want us all to be like them, live in the 7th century and sport bushy beards.

[cosimo]

Why do you have to ask? They have told the world many times what they want:

1. Islamic caliphate
2. And end to Israeli domminanice in the middle east
3. An end to America (Western influence)

I just had a look at Wiki to try and understand what a caliphate is. I don't feel any wiser for it but who is stopping them from having one?

Are these pretty much what Islamic terrorists want?

[Lazy Lob]

I just had a look at Wiki to try and understand what a caliphate is. I don't feel any wiser for it but who is stopping them from having one?

Are these pretty much what Islamic terrorists want?


You haven’t read the small print on the caliphate thingy. Check out how big they want it.

[MoFo]

They want their woman to stay in the kitchen and world domination ofcourse.

[cosimo]

Oh, I see. Do you think they are serious about these objectives or perhaps just like the aggro?

[CruddyLeper]

"Terrorists" is a blanket term.

Quite a good article about AQ ideology here;-

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/terror/RL32759.pdf#search=%22stated%20al%20qaeda%20objectives%22

[Jarhead]

They want to get their ass kicked. No matter where they life, everyone want the same.

Jarhead

[Mastermind]

They have been very straight forward about it all. As LL suggested above, they want a one world relgion and a one world rule under Islam of the 7th century kind. And, their terms are simply not negotiable. They will fight and murder and bomb until every single person on this earth are either Islamic or dead...and that's what it is all about.

Personally, I think they have an excellent chance of achieving that goal considering the confusion and weakness of just about everyone who is not a radical Islamic murdering savage.

Of course, my view is the practical, realisitc view. I'm sure others may have a much more nuanced and imaginative explanation of it all... such as, "Oh, the Islamic terrorists are just a bit angry over Western values infringing on their perfectly wonderful view of life, the universe and everything.".

But, regardless, that's the bottom line the Islamists want. MM

[Ayura]

I always hear people say "AQ wants this and that" but I've never even heard AQ state what it wants...


Anyone got any info?

[ed316]

I always hear people say "AQ wants this and that" but I've never even heard AQ state what it wants...


Anyone got any info?


Seems like you got selective hearing.





Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998
Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh
Praise be to God, who revealed the Book, controls the clouds, defeats factionalism, and says in His Book "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)"; and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said "I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders." The Arabian Peninsula has never--since God made it flat, created its desert, and encircled it with seas--been stormed by any forces like the crusader armies now spreading in it like locusts, consuming its riches and destroying its plantations. All this is happening at a time when nations are attacking Muslims like people fighting over a plate of food. In the light of the grave situation and the lack of support, we and you are obliged to discuss current events, and we should all agree on how to settle the matter.
No one argues today about three facts that are known to everyone; we will list them, in order to remind everyone:
First, for over seven years the United States has been occupying the lands of Islam in the holiest of places, the Arabian Peninsula, plundering its riches, dictating to its rulers, humiliating its people, terrorizing its neighbors, and turning its bases in the Peninsula into a spearhead through which to fight the neighboring Muslim peoples.
If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.
The best proof of this is the Americans' continuing aggression against the Iraqi people using the Peninsula as a staging post, even though all its rulers are against their territories being used to that end, still they are helpless. Second, despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, in excess of 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation.
So now they come to annihilate what is left of this people and to humiliate their Muslim neighbors.
Third, if the Americans' aims behind these wars are religious and economic, the aim is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there.
The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula.
All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life."
On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God."
This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'"
We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Almighty God said "O ye who believe, give your response to God and His Apostle, when He calleth you to that which will give you life. And know that God cometh between a man and his heart, and that it is He to whom ye shall all be gathered."
Almighty God also says "O ye who believe, what is the matter with you, that when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling so heavily to the earth! Do ye prefer the life of this world to the hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things."
Almighty God also says "So lose no heart, nor fall into despair. For ye must gain mastery if ye are true in faith."



The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html

[Bia]

It's obvious what they want.

Follow their beliefs of die.

[Lazy Lob]

I always hear people say "AQ wants this and that" but I've never even heard AQ state what it wants...


Anyone got any info?

Yes, yes, yes and pigs will fly if you throw them hard enough. It really just boils down to your definition of flying.


Oh, I nearly forgot. Hamas wants Seville back.

[Exer]

It's obvious what they want.

Follow their beliefs of die.


Mostly just die, they dont really say "Convert to islam. Now." when they go suicide bombing.

[ar15]

They want everyone to adhere to their backwards lifestyle.

[Ayura]

Yes, yes, yes and pigs will fly if you throw them hard enough. It really just boils down to your definition of flying.


Oh, I nearly forgot. Hamas wants Seville back.

You didn't really answer my question.

Has anyone asked what AQ want?

[Lazy Lob]

You didn't really answer my question.

Has anyone asked what AQ want?


Has anyone asked what AQ want.

or

Has anyone asked AQ what they want.



One of these has a health warning.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Anybody been reading Jill Carroll's story of her abduction, detention, and release in Iraq? Absolutely chilling. I don't think her captors were AQ (who knows) - but they were certainly militant Islamic terrorists. They're perfectly happy, pleasant, modest people in and among themselves. But they frown on those who are different. A lot.

She talks about how they sat there explaining the Quran to her, trying to get her to convert, but insisted that her conversion must be voluntary - and she remarks that it's hard to be "voluntary" when they have guns pointed at you and a knife to your throat. Sort of a metaphor for the rest of the world.

[Ayura]

Has anyone asked what AQ want.

or

Has anyone asked AQ what they want.



One of these has a health warning.


There both the same question!!!

[Lazy Lob]

There both the same question!!!

Well not really, if one is anal about it that is. Cosimo has asked the general question inquiring about AQ’s desires. So that mission has been accomplished.

The second question even though appearing similar requires you going to AQ and asking them directly, “face to face” what the future holds for us infidels.

[Asheren]

I would rather ask question do AQ knows what it want?
Do they want anything obtainable?

Considering that various groups claiming that they are part of AQ have various goals. No to mention that demands like cuting all ties with Israel or complete withdrawal of US/west political and military influnece from ME are unthinkable.

ps. Its me or none of those groups demand from US/west to cut their economical ties with ME countries or complete withdrawal of all US influence including humanitarian or any other kind of aid. Dolars good Uncle Sam bad

[Mastermind]

This is going around in circles,Ayura. The question has clearly been answered by Ed316's post....please go back and read it...MM

[Ayura]

The following text is a fatwa, or declaration of war, by Osama bin Laden first published in Al Quds Al Arabi, a London-based newspaper, in August, 1996. The fatwa is entitled "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places."


How can I trust this text when whoever wrote it clearly doesn't even know what a Fatwa is.....

[Ddavid]

To sum up :

1/ AQ wants departure of US and allied troops from all arabs states, Saudi Arabia and Iraq included. Not acceptable as it would be the end of patronizing and juicy profits in this region.

2/ AQs want an arab control over Jerusalem, and possibly destruction of Israel as a state. Not possible, even asked politely.

3/ To realize those goals, the murder of soldiers and civilians of the United States and their allies is considered acceptable by this movement.

4/ yes, they will obtain it in the long run.

5/ AQ doesn't care for islam outside arab world, but islamists do.

[cosimo]

Thanks Ed316 for that article. AQ aims are to remove US and allies from ME, did not see anything about world domination though maybe this is the aim of other groups. CruddyL not had chance to read that PDF but will get around to it. Am not entirely ingorant of the whole affair, just wanted to see specific demands. Can't see these characters settling down in domestic harmony if they get their wish.

[Ayura]

Is it me or



Taken from the article that Ed316 posted
If some people have formerly debated the fact of the occupation, all the people of the Peninsula have now acknowledged it.


Bad translation?

[LaoSexMachine]

It's you. .

[Laworkerbee]

They want us all to be like them, live in the 7th century and sport bushy beards.

Fine but do I get to keep on using toilet paper?

[LaoSexMachine]

How can I trust this text when whoever wrote it clearly doesn't even know what a Fatwa is.....


That's an intro written by a journalist. Al Zawahiri said they want an Islamic state from Spain to Iraq.

[Group9]

What do they want?

To put it in the simplest terms; they want your ass to either be:
A. fundamentalist Muslim, or
B. dead.

[remo williams]

Fine but do I get to keep on using toilet paper?

No infidel!!! You must use a fig leafp-) .. Then again since we're infidels and deserve to die, if they get their way wiping won't be a problem for us.


j/k

[Kilgor]

They want us all to be like them, live in the 7th century and sport bushy beards.

http://bear-blog.blogspirit.com/images/medium_mel-gibson.4.jpg

[Greek soldier]

REQ-What do terrorists actually want?

Usurp the (rich) natural resources and manipulate a lot more people.

The above has been said by Saudi officials while speaking on a Greek TV Channel

[Lazy Lob]

How can I trust this text when whoever wrote it clearly doesn't even know what a Fatwa is.....

And you do, or are we just meant to take your word for it?

So who is the “oracle” of your religion? You? I doubt it.


Fine but do I get to keep on using toilet paper?
Sorry mate, you got to use jagged rocks....flint. Put a few sparks into your life rofl

[Asheren]

Thanks Ed316 for that article. AQ aims are to remove US and allies from ME, did not see anything about world domination though maybe this is the aim of other groups. CruddyL not had chance to read that PDF but will get around to it. Am not entirely ingorant of the whole affair, just wanted to see specific demands. Can't see these characters settling down in domestic harmony if they get their wish.

Actualy it seems to be diffrent for various cells and organisations using AQ mark. I remmeber various demands and goals throu all this years, amongst them were some like worldwide islamic revolution, restoration of islam wherever it was previously(that one comes without any specific statements about how would it be defined i am certain that for example spainiards wouldn't be happy with that) to regional goals like withdrawal of certain forces from specific region or country, creation of islamic state in some countries. Same with claims from bin laden and other memmbers that could be considered main AQ.

[Ayura]

And you do, or are we just meant to take your word for it?

So who is the “oracle” of your religion? You? I doubt it.


Sorry mate, you got to use jagged rocks....flint. Put a few sparks into your life rofl

A Fatwa is a 'religious opinion' regarding legal ****ouncements done by a Mufti.

Not a declaration of War. This is almost as bad as CNN saying Jihad was Holy War...

[Laworkerbee]

A proper definition of Jihad would be....ones personal struggle to quit say cigarettes, or stop skeeting so much :)

[ibstolidude]

You didn't really answer my question.

Has anyone asked what AQ want?

Though there is no need to ask, as they have published their desires through varies forms of public and internal communications; yes, senior members of the "organization" have been asked - as have supporters of their ideology.

Edited:

As I just reread this thread, I am once again amazed. Suddenly Ayman Al-Zawahiri has NOT published books, including but not limted to "Knights Under the Prophet's Banner???" Suddenly it is as if he, and others, have NOT been publishing their goals, intent, methods and ideologies for decades.