Thousands Attend Pro-Israel Demo in Helsinki

[Salonen]

Thousands Attend Pro-Israel Demo in Helsinki

Published 20.08.2006, 17.35 YLE

More than 2,500 people gathered in the centre of Helsinki on Sunday afternoon to take part in a demonstration expressing solidarity with Israel.

Busloads of participants from around Finland converged on Helsinki to take part in the event. The demonstrators emphasized that Israel has the right to defend itself against attacks by Hizbollah.

The event was organised by four different pro-Israel organisations.

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[Wall]

thats not what i call a demonstration. i call it propaganda to make it look like theres a relevant mass of people thinking what israel does is good.
Its still better than some muslim immigrants are carrying sign like
"Israel place is on mediterranian sea" etc. (Like they did do on some weeks ago).

[kosse]

thats not what i call a demonstration. i call it propaganda to make it look like theres a relevant mass of people thinking what israel does is good.

There was a demonstration and that piece of news comes from the biggest and by far most reliable media source in Finland. Are you saying that it is fake? Or are you implying that a demonstration of 2500 people is not a demonstration because there are not enough people? That is rather big demonstration in Finland..we are not very good at going out and starting rants. That's propaganda if some foreign news agencies twist the truth about this particular event by claiming something else about what YLE raported (more people etc).

[tanks_alot]

thats not what i call a demonstration. i call it propaganda to make it look like theres a relevant mass of people thinking what israel does is good.

So anyone that disagrees with you in public is spreading propaganda?

[Macs.]

So anyone that disagrees with you in public is spreading propaganda?

He is a troll...

[Appaloosa]

2500 people demonstrated in favout of Israel. If you abstract the press exaggeration about the number you will find that they were about 1500 the number of Jews in Finland. :)

[tanks_alot]

2500 people demonstrated in favout of Israel. If you abstract the press exaggeration about the number you will find that they were about 1500 the number of Jews in Finland. :)

Where are all of these people coming from....., maybe they arn't jews?! :cantbeli:

[Elmo]

Awesome. Great. A demonstration in Helsinki!

Good for them.

I prefer demos for peace, tolerance and reconciliation, though.

These people were after "good" and "evil".

[Hollis]

2500 people demonstrated in favout of Israel. If you abstract the press exaggeration about the number you will find that they were about 1500 the number of Jews in Finland. :)


You probably think Israel is 100% Jews only. To bad you don't know about Arabs in Knesset, Muslims in the IDF (Druze), Christians and a lot of other people.

Probably in the USA 90% plus of the Zionists(pro-Israel) are not Jews.

[Appaloosa]

Where are all of these people coming from....., maybe they arn't jews?! :cantbeli:


You have so many friends in Finland? The good part is the term 'Thousands'. You read it and you think it's like 5000 or something.

[Appaloosa]

You probably think Israel is 100% Jews only. To bad you don't know about Arabs in Knesset, Muslims in the IDF (Druze), Christians and a lot of other people.

Probably in the USA 90% plus of the Zionists(pro-Israel) are not Jews.


Yes i know that there are Israeli Arab citizens. Do they have the same rights? These Knesset chairs barely do the job:




Monday, August 14th, 2006
No Shelters, Sirens for Israel's Arab Citizens


While hundreds of thousands of Israelis have taken refuge in bomb shelters, many Arab-Israelis in say they have had no such protection. They say they have been left on their own, thereby exposing some of Israel's worst inequalities. We go to Haifa to speak with the director of an Advocacy Center for Arab Citizens and to a Jewish Israeli who lives in an Arab town in Northern Israel and wrote a book about her journey across the Jewish Arab divide.
We want to turn now to an overlooked aspect of the war as it's affected Israel's northern residents. Israel's civilian death toll is now at forty. But not all are Israeli Jews. Almost half of the victims of Hezbollah's attacks are Arab-Israeli. They're part of a community of more than one million living inside Israel.

While hundreds of thousands of Israelis have taken refuge in bomb shelters, many Arab-Israelis say they've had no such protection. They say they've been left on their own, thereby exposing some of Israel's worst inequalities.

Jafar Farah, director of the Mossawa Advocacy Center (http://www.mossawacenter.org/) for Arab Citizens of Israel, which campaigns for equal rights Israel's Arab citizens. He joins us on the line from Haifa.
Susan Nathan, a British-born Israeli Jew who lives in the Arab town of Tamra, in Northern Israel. She's written a book about her time there titled "The Other Side of Israel: My Journey Across the Jewish/Arab Divide."http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1358258

[Hollis]

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/14/1358258


Maybe you should read your own link,

"So actually for weeks, most of the Arab civilians didn't thought that this war will include them, until people started to die in villages and cities. "

[Danik]

Yea I think it was more the idea that since they are arabs they wont be targeted and stay outside, not the lack of alarms.

[Rubber Johnny]

Monday, August 14th, 2006
While hundreds of thousands of Israelis have taken refuge in bomb shelters, many Arab-Israelis in say they have had no such protection. They say they have been left on their own, thereby exposing some of Israel's worst inequalities.

Too bad the author of this report forgot to mention that after a following check, there WERE alarm systems (sirens and all) in those arab areas which got hit by HEZBOLLAH, only the arabs themselves didn't have anyone to operate them.

Good job, now it's Israel's fault that the Hezzi's are random-bombing filth?

[LaoSexMachine]

OMG!!! It's the Jew's fault. Love it how the Hezbollah supporter turn it into DA JEWS!!

[Decebalus]

Too bad the author of this report forgot to mention that after a following check, there WERE alarm systems (sirens and all) in those arab areas which got hit by HEZBOLLAH, only the arabs themselves didn't have anyone to operate them.

Good job, now it's Israel's fault that the Hezzi's are random-bombing filth?
WTF

I thought the government controls the sirens. And the article isn't even about the damn sirens, learn to read. Every post you meke is extremely pro Isreal no matter what circumstances. You have yet to make a neutral post or one that regards the facts. Even when Israel is cleary doing unequal and wrong things, you try to justify it by saying "Too bad". Racism anyone? Or just blinded patriotism?

And no its not the jew's fault. Your just slow and want to turn every post into a flame bait by acting extremely immature.

And the article is not about who's fault is it.

[NimDod]

WTF

I thought the government controls the sirens. And the article isn't even about the damn sirens, learn to read. Every post you meke is extremely pro Isreal no matter what circumstances. You have yet to make a neutral post or one that regards the facts. Even when Israel is cleary doing unequal and wrong things, you try to justify it by saying "Too bad". Racism anyone? Or just blinded patriotism?

And no its not the jew's fault. Your just slow and want to turn every post into a flame bait by acting extremely immature.

And the article is not about who's fault is it.

the sirens are controled by the local authority, and they get their signal from the IDF's homefront command (basicly, its a guy pushing a button).

most Israeli arabs who were killed during the war did not stay in bomb shelters, even when they did hear they Siran (same thing happened during the first Gulf war. as if missiles can distinguish between jews and muslims...).
one Israeli arab woman was killed even though she stayed in a "safe room" (Israeli construction standard demands at least one "armored" room in every home) when her house was directly hit by one of the larger rockets (fagr-5 / Hibar or something like that). she was terribly unlucky).

[Rubber Johnny]

Decebalus, Lmao, stop pretending you ****.
Have you ever even once, posted anything AGAINST the Hezzi's?
Have you ever looked at things in what you call, a "ballanced" way?
I, on the other hand, have posted many times my thoughts on the Israeli government, which is extremely negative and contains lots of "bad" thoughts.
...

Most siren systems are operated by a single man that simply turns the mechanism on ;P
That's also how it works in my city. Are we being treated in an unfair way too? So HEY! How come the arabs get more attention than us? Ha-ha.

As for bunkers, every town has them. Whether they are open to the public or not, it's not the government's issue, it's the local neighborhoods'.

Surprise surprise, even in my town there are shelters that are locked and the key can be found only in one person's wallet between a 100 people neighborhood.


And the article isn't even about the damn sirens, learn to read.
Guess what smartass, the article actually is about the damn sirens. Learn to read.
"No Shelters, Sirens for Israel's Arab Citizens".
Yeah you're right, I have no clue how I started thinking about sirens. Ha-ha(LEARN TO READ LOL1!!1!1.. kinda fun acting immature as you)

Stop accusing me of twisting facts to make it fit to a pro-Israeli view.
You're the one blaming Israel for something that the Hezzi's are doing, and have started.

After each and every post you make - I start seeing how you're just another sideline watcher that complains at everything Israel do or does.

[Decebalus]

Decebalus, Lmao, stop pretending you ****.
Have you ever even once, posted anything AGAINST the Hezzi's?
Have you ever looked at things in what you call, a "ballanced" way?
I, on the other hand, have posted many times my thoughts on the Israeli government, which is extremely negative and contains lots of "bad" thoughts.
...

Most siren systems are operated by a single man that simply turns the mechanism on ;P
That's also how it works in my city. Are we being treated in an unfair way too? So HEY! How come the arabs get more attention than us? Ha-ha.

As for bunkers, every town has them. Whether they are open to the public or not, it's not the government's issue, it's the local neighborhoods'.

Surprise surprise, even in my town there are shelters that are locked and the key can be found only in one person's wallet between a 100 people neighborhood.


Guess what smartass, the article actually is about the damn sirens. Learn to read.
"No Shelters, Sirens for Israel's Arab Citizens".
Yeah you're right, I have no clue how I started thinking about sirens. Ha-ha(LEARN TO READ LOL1!!1!1.. kinda fun acting immature as you)

Stop accusing me of twisting facts to make it fit to a pro-Israeli view.
You're the one blaming Israel for something that the Hezzi's are doing, and have started.

After each and every post you make - I start seeing how you're just another sideline watcher that complains at everything Israel do or does.

Well should I start.. well:

If you look at every single one of my post, I didn't support neither the hezzies, neither Israel. I looked at things in a neutral way. Why? Because I don't fully understand whats going on over there as I'm not part of it and I believe to fully understand something you need to be part of it, and things aren't black and white. Hezbollah claims something, Israel claims something else, Lebanon soemthing else.

I don't believe what the hezies did was right, but neither IDF's response.


Guess what smartass, the article actually is about the damn sirens. Learn to read.
"No Shelters, Sirens for Israel's Arab Citizens"
Correction: Learn to read more than just the headline!


Stop accusing me of twisting facts to make it fit to a pro-Israeli view.
You're the one blaming Israel for something that the Hezzi's are doing, and have started.
I'm blaming Israel for what Israel is doing. Just because Israeli's see things in black and white and blame everything on Hezbollah, well its their problem.

And the rest of your arguement had nothing to do with anything. So either the author of the article is a complete liar, or you know everything about every little thing in Israel.

So either Israel is fully equal as your "stating" and "defending", either the author is lieying, or your super patriotic defending everything your nation does regardless of anything else.

The only reason you posted things about your government, is because they failed their objectives in this war. And even what you stated were half thought rants.

Oh, and I support Israel as a nation 100%, and its people, but I'm against the things your government is doing. Face it, they lied to your people, they lied to the world, and now their trying to justify things with more lies.

[Rubber Johnny]

If you look at every single one of my post, I didn't support neither the hezzies, neither Israel. I looked at things in a neutral way. Why? Because I don't fully understand whats going on over there as I'm not part of it and I believe to fully understand something you need to be part of it, and things aren't black and white. Hezbollah claims something, Israel claims something else, Lebanon soemthing else.
Yeah, you and I wish you really posted things in the way you've just described.
Clearly you know you're bull****ting. So cut it.

I don't believe what the hezies did was right, but neither IDF's response.
Kinda contradict about most of your posts addressed at the Hezzi's actions.

Correction: Learn to read more than just the headline!
Newsflash: The headline will tell you what the subject is bound to be. Should I really quote every paragraph in the article that the word "Siren" appears in?


I'm blaming Israel for what Israel is doing. Just because Israeli's see things in black and white and blame everything on Hezbollah, well its their problem.
Strange, earlier you've said not everything is black and white, yet you have to live in a warzone to know what the warzone is about, and now you say this.
Just because you see every action the arabs are making as holy, god's will, undoubtfully rightous or whatnot, doesn't mean it's really like that.
For example blaming Israel at how the arabs didn't operate the siren mechanism and the opening of their bunkers, and then getting shot at by the Hezzi's.

And the rest of your arguement had nothing to do with anything. So either the author of the article is a complete liar, or you know everything about every little thing in Israel.
I know enough about "little things in Israel" to know how sirens work in my country, believe me junior.
Most cities, mostly small ones, have this little booth where a simple man pushes buttons and runs the siren alarm mechanism. You really don't have to be a genius to know such a fact about your own country.
I don't know if the article's author is a liar or just tried to hide this fact (like I've stated), but surprise surprise - most articles, specially on the internet, does not contain all of the information!
This is most known as being "biased"! Is that a new term for you?

So either Israel is fully equal as your "stating" and "defending", either the author is lieying, or your super patriotic defending everything your nation does regardless of anything else.
Israel is not fully equal because of the quallity of shelters in the big cities, compared to the small ones. That being said, there's absolutley no difference in the way the shelters or the siren systems are built in arab populated areas, or jewish populated areas. Patriotic or not, that's the truth.

The only reason you posted things about your government, is because they failed their objectives in this war. And even what you stated were half thought rants.
Half thought rants eh? Doubt I can allow myself to stoop down to your level and even reply on that, kiddo.

Oh, and I support Israel as a nation 100%, and its people, but I'm against the things your government is doing. Face it, they lied to your people, they lied to the world, and now their trying to justify things with more lies.
Isn't that cute? Trying to make me see the "light" in such a pathetic way. Good job, you look alittle dumber now.


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[Decebalus]

Yeah, you and I wish you really posted things in the way you've just described.
Clearly you know you're bull****ting. So cut it.
Kinda contradict about most of your posts addressed at the Hezzi's actions. Well how about you prove that? If your so confident, then please prove it. Otherwise shhhsh.


Newsflash: The headline will tell you what the subject is bound to be. Should I really quote every paragraph in the article that the word "Siren" appears in?

Maybe your not so good at understanding english so let me explain ok.

If you bother to read, you will realize that the article talks about the lack of protection (shelter) the government is offering to Arabs. Whether its true or not, I don't care, its not my job to dig the facts, but to argue claims. I was talking about the article.
And are you saying that every word in the headline must be significant?
Heres an example: "Boston tea massacre" Was it really a massacre?


Strange, earlier you've said not everything is black and white, yet you have to live in a warzone to know what the warzone is about, and now you say this.
Just because you see every action the arabs are making as holy, god's will, undoubtfully rightous or whatnot, doesn't mean it's really like that.
For example blaming Israel at how the arabs didn't operate the siren mechanism and the opening of their bunkers, and then getting shot at by the Hezzi's.

No, no no. I referred that TO ME not everythign is black and white. To you, I don't know. I was talking on behalf of myself.


I know enough about "little things in Israel" to know how sirens work in my country, believe me junior.
Most cities, mostly small ones, have this little booth where a simple man pushes buttons and runs the siren alarm mechanism. You really don't have to be a genius to know such a fact about your own country.
I don't know if the article's author is a liar or just tried to hide this fact (like I've stated), but surprise surprise - most articles, specially on the internet, does not contain all of the information!
This is most known as being "biased"! Is that a new term for you? Heh, maybe your the new "know it all" who knows every little thing there is to know about Israel. You claim you know it all and the article is wrong.



Israel is not fully equal because of the quallity of shelters in the big cities, compared to the small ones. That being said, there's absolutley no difference in the way the shelters or the siren systems are built in arab populated areas, or jewish populated areas. Patriotic or not, that's the truth. Other than that, its fully equal, right?


Half thought rants eh? Doubt I can allow myself to stoop down to your level and even reply on that, kiddo.
Heh, well lets let other people conclude that.

Isn't that cute? Trying to make me see the "light" in such a pathetic way. Good job, you look alittle dumber now. No, I'm not trying to make you see the light. You do realize your not the only one reading this thread right? If it was just you, I would have stopped posting a long time ago.

Oh, your the only one going offtopic here mate. Everything I said its relevent to either the article, or your arguements.

[Rubber Johnny]

Well how about you prove that? If your so confident, then please prove it. Otherwise shhhsh.
I have no means at all in proving that. I'm certain I've seen plenty if not enough posts by you that support to the max in Hezzi's work. Whether you believe to your own words or not, is nothing of concern towards me.

Maybe your not so good at understanding english so let me explain ok.

If you bother to read, you will realize that the article talks about the lack of protection (shelter) the government is offering to Arabs. Whether its true or not, I don't care, its not my job to dig the facts, but to argue claims. I was talking about the article.
And are you saying that every word in the headline must be significant?
Heres an example: "Boston tea massacre" Was it really a massacre?
Sigh...
From within the article:
..."AMY GOODMAN: What about these reports of whether you have shelters or sirens?"...
..." to see and to hear the Katyushas coming and to hear the sirens going off in places like Karmi’el and Haifa, in the Qiryat area near us, and not knowing where it's going to land"... <- Implying they don't have siren alarms.
..."AMY GOODMAN: So when you say they have no protection, if you could explicitly explain, are you saying no sirens to alert them, no shelters?"...
..."SUSAN NATHAN: No sirens....
..."We have absolutely no shelters at all and no warning sirens..."
I think it's safe to say that my english is allright, and the situation here is far different than "Boston tea massacre".
If what I've shown does not prove you that the article implies of no sirens in the spoken arab populated places, then I really have to start thinking you're just spewing crap in order not to look dumb.


No, no no. I referred that TO ME not everythign is black and white. To you, I don't know. I was talking on behalf of myself.
Amazing.

Heh, maybe your the new "know it all" who knows every little thing there is to know about Israel. You claim you know it all and the article is wrong.
And you say I'M the one with problems with the english language? I specifically said "I know enough about "little things in Israel" to know how sirens work in my country" How did you translate that me claiming I know it all? God you're weird.


Other than that, its fully equal, right?
On terms of the treatment both Jews and Arabs get as war conditions, it's fully equal, yes.

Heh, well lets let other people conclude that.
Sure, go back into the "half thought rants" I've posted about my government, specially the really long post, and see people's comments on it.

No, I'm not trying to make you see the light. You do realize your not the only one reading this thread right? If it was just you, I would have stopped posting a long time ago.
I wasn't talking about that, but nevermind.

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[haschmich]

censored by DeltaWhisky58

[kosse]

no, but when interest groups organize demonstration and bring their supporters by busses and trains organized, it just isnt worth anything. the problem is, that media and the organisators make it look like the demo speaks for a whole country, or big masses of people at least.


roflroflrofl

I really thought they made smarter people in Germany.

[MaDuce]

roflroflrofl

I really thought they made smarter people in Germany.

...mountain trolls

[Nordic Fire]

Heh. Most of those people demontrating were evangelical born-again christian nuts who'd support Israel no matter what. Thankfully we have a state church that by simply existing keeps the religious fringe elements like these cretins in check.

[Danik]

d d d d daaam... is this thread still open?

The title is misleading? thousands is really 2.5K, which sorry to report is still plural, 1=thousand,2=thousands. What peoples misconceptions are as to what number "thousands" should indicate is their problem.

To make it fair I have heard from "experts" in news reports, and from folks over in my college's muslim orgnizations that thousands of people were killed in lebanon, now THERE I can see it to be misleading, as it is probable that no more than 1 thousand died. Along with the hundreds killed in Jenin, if "hundreds" means 56 than I need to retake english.

If your complaint is that using the word "thousands" somehow indicates that the majority of that population supports the actions of Israel, you too can come and take a english class with me, but I still feel the words are fact.

[Macs.]

no, but when interest groups organize demonstration and bring their supporters by busses and trains organized, it just isnt worth anything. the problem is, that media and the organisators make it look like the demo speaks for a whole country, or big masses of people at least.

Every 5-year old knows that a few thousand people speak for a whole country. Hell, even if there was a million people demonstrating it wouldn't represent the whole country.

And such demonstrations always get organized by certain groups. Fact is that (over) 2,500 people attented this demonstration, and it doesn´t matter if they came via bus, plane or bicycle.

So please stop embrassing Germany as a whole with your lame trolling. (Thats not the first time you did that.)

[haschmich]

Every 5-year old knows that a few thousand people speak for a whole country. Hell, even if there was a million people demonstrating it wouldn't represent the whole country.

And such demonstrations always get organized by certain groups. Fact is that (over) 2,500 people attented this demonstration, and it doesn´t matter if they came via bus, plane or bicycle.
youre beeing naive. the headline is: "thousands demonstrate pro-israel in helsinki". the details show up somewhere hidden in the following text - at best. when in germany an unwanted group like npd party makes a demo, the (sub) headline clearly has information about the validity of the protesting numbers. the way you cant distinguish those schematics tells me you dont know anything about journalism.

[Macs.]

youre beeing naive. the headline is: "thousands demonstrate pro-israel in helsinki". the details show up somewhere hidden in the following text - at best. when in germany an unwanted group like npd party makes a demo, the (sub) headline clearly has information about the validity of the protesting numbers. the way you cant distinguish those schematics tells me you dont know anything about journalism.

Where is the problem ?

Thousands Attend Pro-Israel Demo in Helsinki - This clearly just states the truth. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Danik]

Where is the problem ?

Thousands Attend Pro-Israel Demo in Helsinki - This clearly just states the truth. Nothing more, nothing less.

Yea. simple english senor. read my post above. For haschmich look its very simple:

1,000- one thousand
2,000- two thousand
2.5000- two thousand five hundred

when you have one its singular, like thousand, when you have two or more its plural, like thousands, very simple, not misleading, as I said before the only misleading headlines are the ones that mistate numbers, like thousands killed in Lebanon, hundreds killed in Jenin. thousand attend pro-isreal demo is stating the facts, as there was more that one, thousand, it is therefore plural, thousands. Man I learned this in 3rd grade in the ESL class, I was the brightest.

[CSAR]

Heh. Most of those people demontrating were evangelical born-again christian nuts who'd support Israel no matter what. Thankfully we have a state church that by simply existing keeps the religious fringe elements like these cretins in check.

Lol, that's true. I just read some interviews from Turun Sanomat newspaper while enjoying kebab, and there were some nutcases saying "we must support Israel no matter what because they are Gods chosen people" and **** like that. Well, I'm not really sure which is worse, there religious maniacs or pro-Hamas/Hizzbollah/PLO humanist hippies that usually participate so called peace demonstrations. Luckily we live so far from ME that it doesn't really matter.

[Danik]

Luckily we live so far from ME that it doesn't really matter.


:):):)rofl True.

[Appaloosa]

Is there a chance an Israeli Arab be head of Mossad? Or join Sayeret Matcal? Or work in Dimona? Or fly an IAF jet?

[Huhtis]

Is there a chance an Israeli Arab be head of Mossad? Or join Sayeret Matcal? Or work in Dimona? Or fly an IAF jet?

Uhm, yes there is a chance. Why there wouldnt?

[kosse]

Is there a chance an Israeli Arab be head of Mossad? Or join Sayeret Matcal? Or work in Dimona? Or fly an IAF jet?
It would sound rather strange for Israel to deny rights of it's citizens based on religion/race when you look few decades back into the history.

[NimDod]

Is there a chance an Israeli Arab be head of Mossad? Or join Sayeret Matcal? Or work in Dimona? Or fly an IAF jet?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Service_and_manpower


Minorities in the IDF

Druze Arabs and Circassians, like Israeli Jews, serve mandatory service in the IDF. In recent years, some Druze officers have reached positions in the IDF as high as Major General and many have received orders of distinction.

Service is not mandatory for all other Israeli minorities (notably Israeli Arabs but also Black Hebrews and others). However, a large number of Bedouin, as well as some Christian Arabs and even a few Muslim Arabs, volunteer. Six Israeli Arabs have received orders of distinction as a part of their military service; of them the most famous is a Bedouin officer, Lieutenant Colonel Abd El-Amin Hajer (also known as Amos Yarkoni), who received the Order of Distinction. Recently, a Bedouin officer was promoted to the rank of Colonel. [citation needed]

No direct social benefits are tied to completion of military service, but doing so is sometimes required for attaining security clearance and serving in some types of government positions (in most cases, security-related), as well as some indirect benefits. Israeli Arabs claim that this puts them at a disadvantage vs. non-Arab Israeli citizens - although any Israeli Arab has the opportunity to do military service, if he or she wants to. The Israeli government claims that this arrangement provides equal opportunity for the Arab population. On the other hand, non-Arab Israelis could argue that the mandatory two-year (20 months for women) military service puts them at a disadvantage, as they effectively lose two years of their life through their service in the IDF, while the Arab Israelis are able to start right into their jobs after school, or study at a university. According to the 2004 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for Israel and the occupied territories, "Israeli Arabs were not required to perform mandatory military service and, in practice, only a small percentage of Israeli Arabs served in the military. Those who did not serve in the army had less access than other citizens to social and economic benefits for which military service was a prerequisite or an advantage, such as housing, new-household subsidies, and employment, especially government or security-related industrial employment. Regarding the latter, for security reasons, Israeli Arabs generally were restricted from working in companies with defense contracts or in security-related fields." In recent years, there have been several initiatives to enable Israeli Arabs to volunteer for civilian National Service instead of to the IDF, completion of which would grant the same privileges as those granted to IDF veterans. However, this plan has gained strong resistance from Arab members of the parliament, and as a result, has not been implemented yet.

Since 1993, homo******s have been allowed to openly serve in the military, including special units.

[Appaloosa]

Israel's Marriage Law

by Justin Huggler
August 02, 2003

UK Independent




Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel. The move was denounced by human rights organisations as racist, undemocratic and discriminatory.
Under the new law, rushed through yesterday, Palestinians alone will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship. Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch sent a joint letter to the Knesset, Israel's parliament, urging members to reject the bill. "The draft law barring family reunification for Palestinian spouses of Israeli citizens is profoundly discriminatory," Amnesty said in a statement. "A law permitting such blatant racial discrimination, on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, would clearly violate international human rights law and treaties which Israel has ratified and pledged to uphold." B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, joined in the criticism of the law. Yael Stein, a spokesman, said: "This is a racist law that decides who can live here according to racist criteria."




Non Jews:

Non-Jews in Israel on temporary visas who marry an Israeli must leave Israel and apply in their country of origin for immigrant status. There is no civil marriage in Israel. Israelis marrying non-Jews, and even some non-Orthodox Jewish couples, usually leave the country to marry or get a legal marriage contract from the consulate of Paraguay in Tel Aviv. In one case, a Jewish women married a non-Jewish Russian. Although the couple has a daughter, the Israeli government refuses to recognize the marriage, has declared her single and the daughter fatherless, and has ordered the husband to leave the country.


http://migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/more.php?id=1509_0_5_0


Arabs: Separate educational system for Israelis and Arabs:


Nearly one in four of Israel's 1.6 million schoolchildren are educated in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. The children in this parallel school system are Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab origin. Their schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel's majority Jewish population. Often overcrowded and understaffed, poorly built, badly maintained, or simply unavailable, schools for Palestinian Arab children offer fewer facilities and educational opportunities than are offered other Israeli children. This report is about Israel's discrimination against its Palestinian Arab children in guaranteeing the right to education.
The Israeli government operates two separate school systems, one for Jewish children and one for Palestinian Arab children. Discrimination against Palestinian Arab children colors every aspect of the two systems. Education Ministry authorities have acknowledged that the ministry spends less per student in the Arab system than in the Jewish school system. The majority's schools also receive additional state and state-sponsored private funding for school construction and special programs through other government agencies. The gap is enormous--on every criterion measured by Israeli authorities

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/ISRAEL0901-01.htm#P303_12138

[Danik]

[quote=Appaloosa;1867999]Israel's Marriage Law

by Justin Huggler
August 02, 2003

UK Independent




Israel's Parliament has passed a law preventing Palestinians who marry Israelis from living in Israel. The move was denounced by human rights organisations as racist, undemocratic and discriminatory.
Under the new law, rushed through yesterday, Palestinians alone will be excluded from obtaining citizenship or residency. Anyone else who marries an Israeli will be entitled to Israeli citizenship. Now Israeli Arabs who marry Palestinians from the West Bank or Gaza Strip will either have to move to the occupied territories, or live apart from their husband or wife. Their children will be affected too: from the age of 12 they will be denied citizenship or residency and forced to move out of Israel. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch sent a joint letter to the Knesset, Israel's parliament, urging members to reject the bill. "The draft law barring family reunification for Palestinian spouses of Israeli citizens is profoundly discriminatory," Amnesty said in a statement. "A law permitting such blatant racial discrimination, on grounds of ethnicity or nationality, would clearly violate international human rights law and treaties which Israel has ratified and pledged to uphold." B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation, joined in the criticism of the law. Yael Stein, a spokesman, said: "This is a racist law that decides who can live here according to racist criteria."

They want to keep the country Jewish so they took a tough stance on the issue of marriage. You dont seem to be complaining about these laws in Saudia Arabia, or most other Muslim countries.


Non Jews:

Non-Jews in Israel on temporary visas who marry an Israeli must leave Israel and apply in their country of origin for immigrant status. There is no civil marriage in Israel. Israelis marrying non-Jews, and even some non-Orthodox Jewish couples, usually leave the country to marry or get a legal marriage contract from the consulate of Paraguay in Tel Aviv. In one case, a Jewish women married a non-Jewish Russian. Although the couple has a daughter, the Israeli government refuses to recognize the marriage, has declared her single and the daughter fatherless, and has ordered the husband to leave the country.


http://migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/more.php?id=1509_0_5_0


Arabs: Separate educational system for Israelis and Arabs:


Nearly one in four of Israel's 1.6 million schoolchildren are educated in a public school system wholly separate from the majority. The children in this parallel school system are Israeli citizens of Palestinian Arab origin. Their schools are a world apart in quality from the public schools serving Israel's majority Jewish population. Often overcrowded and understaffed, poorly built, badly maintained, or simply unavailable, schools for Palestinian Arab children offer fewer facilities and educational opportunities than are offered other Israeli children. This report is about Israel's discrimination against its Palestinian Arab children in guaranteeing the right to education.
The Israeli government operates two separate school systems, one for Jewish children and one for Palestinian Arab children. Discrimination against Palestinian Arab children colors every aspect of the two systems. Education Ministry authorities have acknowledged that the ministry spends less per student in the Arab system than in the Jewish school system. The majority's schools also receive additional state and state-sponsored private funding for school construction and special programs through other government agencies. The gap is enormous--on every criterion measured by Israeli authorities

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel2/ISRAEL0901-01.htm#P303_12138[/
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This sounds more like Arabs decided they wanted to educate their children seperately and started their own school system, and good old HRW comes into the picture to condemn Israel. The Czech Republic has equality laws with Gypsy children, large precentages of them are in special education programs and are segregated from the majority, HRW is no where to be found, this program is ofcourse not the Czechs fault but rather the gypsies who refuse to integrate. In fact statements from HRW should be disregarded until they start observing all world conflicts and not those in which they can stay at the hilton and observe from a distance.

[Rubber Johnny]

I don't understand how you drifted from arabs being a part from high ranked national security factors, to arabs marrying jews.
Seriously wtf.