View Full Version : What are the chances of Serbia joining NATO?
SrB-23Q
08-21-2006, 11:55 PM
Just wanted 2 know peoples opinions on what the chances r 4 Serbia to join NATO.
TaurunumBoys1987
08-21-2006, 11:57 PM
I don't think Serbia should join NATO? I mean no offense to NATO but people their haven't exactly forgot who dropped bombs on their heads for three months. It just doesn't make sense.
SrB-23Q
08-22-2006, 12:04 AM
what choice do we have now??lol
Sneeker
08-22-2006, 02:33 AM
um no offence not trying to start a flame war
but
ZERO.
at least not until the last criminals are given into the authorities of the war criminal tribunal in the hague. and there is still the question, what will happen with the kosovo. also helpful would be a more efficient fight against corruption and criminal structures.
just because nato had a war with serbia is not the reason, if the serbian leaders now make the right choices and decisions. germany became a member of the nato only a decade after ww2.
loganinkosovo
08-22-2006, 05:18 AM
Just wanted 2 know peoples opinions on what the chances r 4 Serbia to join NATO.
something like a snowball's chance in hell, I'm afraid.
Serbia is still looked upon as a combatative nation.
With all it's problems Serbia counldn't even get into the EU let alone NATO. But it's in good company....Bosnia, Macedonia and Albania don't have a chance for either at the moment also. :)
Wondering what benefit Serbia would get from joining. They will make demands regarding your military structures and defence spending. It will put you into a club with former enemies (not that that will be new for NATO... Greece and Turkey have had a long history of rivalry and bickering over Cyprus and other issues, not to mention Germany and France and the UK or the introduction of former warsaw pact states and now even former soviet republics).
Apart from sucking up to the west what will serbia gain from NATO membership.
DeltaWhisky58
08-22-2006, 05:42 AM
More to the point, what would NATO gain from Serbia joining?
More to the point, what would NATO gain from Serbia joining?
Military control of another European country...
DeltaWhisky58
08-22-2006, 06:45 AM
More to the point, what would NATO gain from Serbia joining?
Military control of another European country...
You can't be serious.
oldsoak
08-22-2006, 07:19 AM
Perhaps another ally ? allies are always good to have. Yes we went to war, but NATO was formed with Germany not long after WWII. Frankly, I'd rather the Serbs inside p*ssing out than outside p*ssing in. The sooner we patch things up between NATO and Serbia and move on, the less likely we're going to deal with their handiwork in dusty places - they are less likely to supply our enemies if they are our friends.
You can't be serious.
Why not? Once you join NATO you have to conform to NATO standards and NATO requirements etc etc.
NATO was about defence of NATO members but after Kosovo who knows what NATO is about. A military force to be used by the US or UK when the UN wont perform fast enough (which is most of the time).
Perhaps another ally ? allies are always good to have. Yes we went to war, but NATO was formed with Germany not long after WWII.
The difference is that NATO never Conquered/Liberated Serbia so the ruling powers in Serbia have not been changed to western leaning parties.
You could equally say that the Soviets were allies during WWII but also not long afterwards both sides started realising the differences were too great to overcome at the time.
NATO still stands by its support of the KLA and Serbia still sees the KLA as terrorists.
SrB-23Q
08-22-2006, 08:05 AM
at least not until the last criminals are given into the authorities of the war criminal tribunal in the hague. and there is still the question, what will happen with the kosovo. also helpful would be a more efficient fight against corruption and criminal structures.
just because nato had a war with serbia is not the reason, if the serbian leaders now make the right choices and decisions. germany became a member of the nato only a decade after ww2.
Well there have been a numer of joint exercises with NATO and Serb forces and US and Serb forces after 1999 bombings. So that could be a sign that both have left the past behind them and want 2 strengthen the relations. And i dont see any problems if Serbia applies for membership within the next 5 years, and i dont think NATO would be surprised either.
SrB-23Q
08-22-2006, 08:07 AM
The difference is that NATO never Conquered/Liberated Serbia so the ruling powers in Serbia have not been changed to western leaning parties.
You could equally say that the Soviets were allies during WWII but also not long afterwards both sides started realising the differences were too great to overcome at the time.
NATO still stands by its support of the KLA and Serbia still sees the KLA as terrorists.
The ruling power has been changed after the capture of Slobodan MIlosevic in 2001:roll: . The relations between Serbia and NATO r not the best they can be, but r right up there, expecially in the last 2 years.
Lokos
08-22-2006, 08:22 AM
I wouldn't be the only one who'd feel betrayed if such a thing (Serbia joining NATO) happened.
Lokos
Roaming East
08-22-2006, 08:29 AM
I don't think Serbia should join NATO? I mean no offense to NATO but people their haven't exactly forgot who dropped bombs on their heads for three months. It just doesn't make sense.
Bah, its a rite of passage almost to have bombs dropped on you by eventual allies. look at it as a sort of hazing thing...
Serbia should NOT join NATO unless NATO will let Serbian military to return to Kosovo under NATO.
BTW according to UN resolutino 1224 Serbia can return up to 1000 military personnal to Kosovo ( just one of many UN imposed, UN broken agreements with Serbs).
It Would be stupid nd shamefull if Serbia joins NATO and sends troops to guard (SOME) - stani's borders, while at the same time NATO prevents it from guarding its own borders.
Since that will not happen in the foreseeable future than Serbia HAS to say thanks, but no thanks to NATO.
Not to mention non-compatibility of Serbia'a military industry, weapons, and skilled personnal ( mechanics etc) with NATO equipement.
DeltaWhisky58
08-22-2006, 11:59 AM
Serbia should NOT join NATO unless NATO will let Serbian military to return to Kosovo under NATO.
BTW according to UN resolutino 1224 Serbia can return up to 1000 military personnal to Kosovo ( just one of many UN imposed, UN broken agreements with Serbs).
It Would be stupid nd shamefull if Serbia joins NATO and sends troops to guard (SOME) - stani's borders, while at the same time NATO prevents it from guarding its own borders.
Since that will not happen in the foreseeable future than Serbia HAS to say thanks, but no thanks to NATO.
Not to mention non-compatibility of Serbia'a military industry, weapons, and skilled personnal ( mechanics etc) with NATO equipement.
This thread has nothing whatseover to do with any return to Kosovo - stay on topic!
With all due respect I dont see how it does not have anything to do with Kosovo?
Kosovo is still Serbian teritorry, is it not?
NATO has troops in Kosovo, does it not?
If Serbia joins NATO it would only be normal that Serbian troops under NATO banner can be stationed in Kosovo.
If that is not possible than I dont see why would Serbia even wanna join NATO.
Milkman from Hell
08-22-2006, 12:37 PM
Just wanted 2 know peoples opinions on what the chances r 4 Serbia to join NATO.
Right now? Hmmmm.... I think zero.
DeltaWhisky58
08-22-2006, 12:44 PM
With all due respect I dont see how it does not have anything to do with Kosovo?
Kosovo is still Serbian teritorry, is it not?
NATO has troops in Kosovo, does it not?
If Serbia joins NATO it would only be normal that Serbian troops under NATO banner can be stationed in Kosovo.
If that is not possible than I dont see why would Serbia even wanna join NATO.
This post is about Serbia joining NATO, not Serbian politics and territory. Now come on, wise up and get back on topic.
Quietscheentchen
08-22-2006, 01:14 PM
although i don't think that a soon nato-membership of serbia would be realistic, i could imagine some sort of defence agreements with other european countries, perhaps also nato-members. is this possible?
Lazarus
08-22-2006, 03:36 PM
I don't know what are the chances but I don't think serbian soldiers should go fight for freedom of iraqis and afganis or atack without reason countries who did not declare war to serbia/serbian people and we have our own "freedom fighters" we should fight at home.Finally I think there should be referendum about joining nato.If you ask me serbia shouldnt join nato,eu or any other block we should be neutral with strong army.
Lt. James Anderson
08-22-2006, 04:03 PM
Wondering what benefit Serbia would get from joining. They will make demands regarding your military structures and defence spending. It will put you into a club with former enemies (not that that will be new for NATO... Greece and Turkey have had a long history of rivalry and bickering over Cyprus and other issues, not to mention Germany and France and the UK or the introduction of former warsaw pact states and now even former soviet republics).
Apart from sucking up to the west what will serbia gain from NATO membership.
Nothing ...
oldsoak
08-22-2006, 05:15 PM
I am not convinced - if Serbia remains outside NATO, it will only find itself isolated in a NATO sea. No one expects a marriage made in heaven out of this - people have been killed and uprooted by NATO, but staying proud and alone is not the best thing to be in the Balkans. Serbias interests may ultimately be better served by ensuring its interest become NATO's. Its amazing how membership can ensure sovereignity.
Lazarus
08-22-2006, 06:21 PM
How average serbian guy like me could understand that serbia with nato would live better when that same nato support people who would like to take part of serbian territory and give it independence and at the same time doesn't give rights to RS to have referendum and declare independence from bosnian federation,and again gives rights to montenegro to seperate from serbia in referendum that was all but fair.
SrB-23Q
08-23-2006, 06:39 AM
Aparently NATO is withdrawing its forces from Kosovo by the end of the year. Anyone else hear about this? This could open up the table for NATO-Serbia relations if true.
Sergei
08-23-2006, 07:10 AM
Aparently NATO is withdrawing its forces from Kosovo by the end of the year. Anyone else hear about this? This could open up the table for NATO-Serbia relations if true.
Nice turn of events. First bomb 'em into submission, then open the table for a good talk on NATO-Serbia relations. I wonder how the Serbs feel about all this crap.
oldsoak
08-23-2006, 07:54 AM
If Serbia were already in NATO, one wonders if the Kosovo question would ever arise...
SrB-23Q
08-23-2006, 09:14 AM
If Serbia were already in NATO, one wonders if the Kosovo question would ever arise...
Dont think so m8
Sergei
08-23-2006, 09:14 AM
If Serbia were already in NATO, one wonders if the Kosovo question would ever arise...
The whole Kosovo campaign was a clever move to lower the Euro against the dollar, only now the european politicians start to understand how deeply owned they really were for allowing a war in Europe.
Otherwise I fail to understand why it was fine to support muslim terrorists in Kosovo and then nail them in Iraq and Afganistan.
SerbPVO
08-29-2006, 10:22 PM
Nothing is out of the question anymore.
Americans are already begging us to send our soldiers to various "hot spots" around the world...of course, our soldiers are among the most experienced and best equipped in the world, but what do we, Serbia, have to gain from that?
TaurunumBoys1987
08-30-2006, 04:26 PM
Nothing is out of the question anymore.
Americans are already begging us to send our soldiers to various "hot spots" around the world...of course, our soldiers are among the most experienced and best equipped in the world, but what do we, Serbia, have to gain from that?
Not much except our politicians completely succedeed in their goal of selling everything in our country to everbody except Serbs and becoming just another state under the sphere of influence of the west.
why would Serbia want to join NATO? aside from being sure than NATO bombs will not drop on Serban streets again....
SerbPVO
09-02-2006, 06:33 PM
So we can tear them apart from the inside, of course.
CyberSpec
09-02-2006, 09:23 PM
It won't happen until all issues in the Balkans are sorted out....with Kosovo topping the list.
Serbian national interests and Nato/EU policies are difficult to reconcile.
The only ones pushing for membership are the urban elites, but if you get a right wing government in power (a possibility in the immediate future) you can forget about it.
cinoeye
09-02-2006, 11:51 PM
Step by step.....
Rice and Tadić to sign SOFA agreement2 September 2006 | 14:28 | Source: Beta
BELGRADE -- US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Serbian President Boris Tadić will sign the SOFA agreement in Washington.
The agreement between Serbia and the United States pertains to the status protection and the right to access and use Serbian military infrastructure, the president’s press service announced.
“The agreement translates to the strengthening of the Serbian – US cooperation in the defense sector, based on observance of both country’s sovereignty and the UN Charter, and confirms the need to strengthen the security and contribute to peace internationally”.
The agreement has been adopted by the Serbian government.
Tadić will embark on a three-day visit to the United States on September 6, on Condoleezza Rice’s invitation
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