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Srachka to Perdachka
04-01-2004, 08:37 PM
I duuno anything about it, but im guessing it's not that good. I have seen sailors and marines on parade, looked badass.

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The Navy of Ukraine is designated to defeat enemy forces and infrastructure and assist the Ground Forces in conducting operations in littoral regions. The Navy consists of the following branches: Surface Forces, Subma-rine Forces, Naval Aviation, Coastal Missile-Artillery Troops, Marines, as well as special formations and units, logistic and medical support units and military educational and scientific establishments. The main purpose of the Navy reform and development is the establishment of mission ready, structurally balanced component of the Armed Forces, equipped with state-of-the-art naval weapons, capable of accomplishing missions in assigned operational areas independently and jointly with other armed forces branches.

Maritime Border formations and units will be transferred to the Navy. And consequently the mission of maintaining Ukrainian border integrity at sea and protection of its exclusive (economic) area will belong to the Navy.

Today's Ukrainian Navy is still in the process of formation, but they can already perform many kinds of combat operations. They have proved this by participating in mutual peacekeeping operations with NATO and other navies. As is necessary for a modern state, Ukraine has all the navy branches: surface and submarine forces; coastal defence troops; marine corps; Special forces and support units. The Ukrainian Navy has about 100 ships off different types. Ukrainian naval bases are : Odessa; Ochakov; Chernomorskoe; Novoozernii and Feodosiya. The main base of the Ukrainian Navy is Sevastopol.

In peace time, the Navy performs the mission of maintaining combat readiness and combat watch, coast guard and defense of an exlusive economic zone and fighting against terrorism at sea. They also take part in peacekeeping operations together with navies from other countries by UN mandate;

The Ukrainian navy has a history of over a thousand years. Historical sources have well established that Kievan princes had carried out successful naval campaigns against Byzantium, Khazaria, Volga Bulgaria. And the ancient name of the Black Sea - Ruthenian - is yet another indicator that the country of our ancient ancestors, Kievan Rus', ruled the waves of that sea. In the centuries during and following the Middle Ages the name of Ukraine had been glorified by the victoriuos naval campaigns of such Cossack Hetmans of the Zaporizhian Sich as Baida Vyshnevetsky, Samiylo Kishka, Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny, ... During the Crimean War (1853-1856) the squadron under the command of Admiral Nakhimov, himself a descendant of the Cossacks from Zaporizhya, won a brilliant victory at the battle of Sinop. The unfaded honor, valor and glory were earned by such defenders of Sevastopol as, for example, sailor Ihnatiy Shevchenko who used his own body to protect lieutenant Birilev from the enemy's bullet; or the legendary sailor Petro Kishka who received numerous decorations for his courage, gallantry and ingenuity in combat... The names of Ivan Holubets, Ludmyla Pavlychenko, Vasyl Tsybulko, Volodymyr Pylypenko and many hundreds upon hundreds of other World War II heroes were inscribed in gold into the pages of our naval history. The Ukrainian Navy has a glorious past and a bright future. To build the national Navy is one of the most important missions of our country.

Conditions for the creation of the present-day Ukrainian Navy emerged only in the early 1992. It was then that the nation-conscious part of the Black Sea Fleet personnel had begun to swear allegeance to the people of Ukraine. During the period from January 13 to April 7, 1992, the Ukrainian oath was taken by the personnel of the Training Company at the Naval Diving School, 17th Patrol Ships Brigade of the Naval Station Crimea, the 880th Detached Battalion of the Naval Infantry (Marines) Brigade, crews of cruiser "Kutuzov", minesweeper "Syhnalschyk", submarine B-371, Naval Station Crimea under the command of officers Kluyev, Shalyt, Rozhmanov, Shishov, Salimanov, Lupakov, Petrenko. The dedicated and efficient work for the establishment and further development of the Ukrainian Navy began after Rear-Admiral Borys B. Kozhyn was appointed the Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Navy.

Naval Patrol Ship 112 became the first ship of the Ukrainian Navy and on July 20, 1992, it gallantly sailed from Donuzlav to Odessa. On July 28, 1992, the Ukrainian naval ensign was hoisted on the command-and-control ship "Slavutych", which had just been built at the Mykolaiv shipyards. In April 1993 the Ukrainian Navy received an amphiboius landing ship (air-cushioned) "Donetsk". In June of 1993 a small antisubmarine ship (corvette) "Lutsk" was launched and began shipyard trials. And in July the Ukrainian naval ensign was hoisted on the patrol ship (frigate) "Hetman Sahaidachnyi". Simultaneously with establishing strong surface force, the Ukrainian Navy had been establishing and developing the coastal defense and shore units, naval infantry (marines) and naval air units. Some of those assets had been transferred to the Ukrainian Navy according to the agreements on the Black Sea Fleet.

Today the Ukrainian Navy is an integral structural component of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The Ukrainian Navy consists of groups and divisions of surface naval warfare, aviation and coastal units, command and control, support and logistics. The crucial missions to support the established status quo naval regime in the Black Sea are carried out by the Western and Northern Maritime Regions of the Ukrainian Navy. Ukrainian naval aviators are all ready to execute missions round the clock under all-weather conditions. Ukrainian naval surface force sailors represent our country with dignity and honor in foreign nations around the world during long patrols, friendly port calls and multinational naval excercises. The high level of readiness is maintained by the coastal artillery and missile units of the Ukrainian Navy.

Sebastopol Navy Institute was established on the base of two Sebastopol Naval Colleges in accordance with the order of Defence Minister of Ukrain N133,25.07.92 and Resolution of Ministers Cabinet of Ukraine N 490 ,19.08.92. The main goal of Navy Institute is to provide for the citizens of Ukraine and other countries the availabelity of getting the high education according to state level requirement set up by the low "About education".

The main tasks of Navy Institute are: organizing the enlightenment activity including teaching,nurturing, scientific,methodicaland cultural work harmonical developing of personalities of student and naval cadets; constant increasing the level of training due to inculcation of advanced technologies,educational methods; organizing and condacting the researches to solve the military and economy problems and to develop officer's training; training the students for scietific activity on their own; training the faculty,developing their proficiency, conducting the refresher training for high educated military specialist; logistic,maintenance and methodical service for training.

Sebastopol Navy Institute provides the training for different skill profiency levels that makes the Institute the center of specialized skill proficiency training for Navy of Ukraine.

In September 1991 at Sevastopol the Union of Ukrainian officers was organised with initiative of major V.V. Kholoduk, captain-liatenant I.O. Tenukha, M.P. Guk. This union become the initiator and nucleus of organization group of the Navy of Ukraine. On 05 April 1992 the edikt of the president of Ukraine about the formation of the Naval Forces was published. In Hune the Press Center of the Naval Forces of Ukraine was established. The first edition of the newspaper "The Fleet of Ukrain" was created.

On 21 July 1992 the 112th brigade of patrol ship of the Crimea's naval base (the captaine of the ship - S.Nastenko) left the base "Donyslav", and lifted the National Flag of Ukraine and made depth voyage to Odessa. On 28 July the spetial purpose ship "Slavutich" solemnly lifted the National Flag of Ukraine.

In April 1993 the Navy of Ukraine was armed by the ship on the air cushion "Doneck". From May to June 1993 the small antisubmarine ship "Luck" was unchained at the shipbuilding factory. In July the Naval Flag was solemnly lifted on the patrol ship " Getman Sagaidachnyi". The first batallion of naval infantry was formed.

In June 1994 the patrol ship "Getman Sagaidachnyi" visited French port Ruan. In September the trainings of the ships of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, France, Rumania in the frames of program "Partnership for Peace" in the north-western part of the Black Sea. The small anyisubmarine ship "Luck" was recognized the best one. In November 1994 the special purpose ship "Slavutich" took part in joint trainings "Maritime partner - 94".

In April 1995 the patrol ship "Getman Sagaidachnyi" made a long voyage to the shores of UAE. In July 1995 the joint Ukrainian-American peacefull trainings of the naval infantry brigade of Ukraine and the US Expeditional Naval Infantry Corps. In September 1995 the joint trainings of infantrymen and USA "Autumn allies - 95" which were on the base of the US Naval Infantry in Kemp-Lezhun, were finished. The patrol ship "Getman Sagaidachnyi" visited Bolgary. In November 1995 the patrol ship "Getman Sagaidachnyi" took part in the naval multinational trainings of NATO's countries "Classica-95" in the waterways of Italy.

During August and Septmeber 1996, near the seashores of Rumania, Ukraine took part international trainings "Classica-96" with participation of the Naval FOrce of Ukreaine. Ships "Chernigov" and the small antisubmarineship "Vinnica". From 20 August through 18 October 1996 the transatlantic ocean camnpaign of the formations of naval ships in composition with the patrol ship "Getman Sagaidachnyi" and the large decant ship "Konstantin Olshanskiy" with naval infantry company aboard to the US seashores.

In July 1997 the corvette "Luck" took part in the international trainings near the seashores of Bulgaria "Cooperative partner - 96" in the frames of program "Partnership for peace". And in August 1997 the joint Ukrainian-American training "Sea-Breeze-97" in the regions of the lake Donyzlav and the firing ground "Wide field".

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THE NAVY
The Ukrainian Navy is based on former units from the Soviet Black Sea Fleet. On May 31, 1997, Ukraine and Russia signed an agreement on the division of the Black Sea Fleet and the terms of its deployment. Russia will lease the bases in Sevastopol until 2017. Overall, serviceability throughout the fleet is very low due to the extreme shortage of funds and spares.
As of July 1997 Ukraine was implementing the agreement concerning the division of the Black Sea Fleet, and had taken the allocated fifteen vessels from the Russian fleet. On 24 March 1999, the Ukrainian Rada finally ratified the three intergovernmental agreements signed in May 1997. The Ukrainian Navy consists of 44 fighting ships and 80 auxiliary vessels. The Ukrainian Navy has about 100 ships off different types. Ukrainian naval bases are located at Odessa; Ochakiv; Chornomors'ke; Novoozerniy and Feodosiya. The main base of the Ukrainian Navy is Sevastopol.
The Ukrainian Navy has approximately 13,000 active-duty personnel.
Coastal Installations:
Mykolayiv;
Saki;
Ochakiv;
Izmail.


Naval Aviation
The Naval Aviation Force operates a number of fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft in support of anti-submarine warfare, search-and-rescue and maritime strike missions.
Ukraine no longer declares any of its naval fixed-wing aircraft as part of its obligations to the CFE treaty.
The Navy previously operated MiG-29s, Su-25s, Tu-22Ms and Su-17s, which have been transferred to the Air Force.


Naval Infantry (Marines)
Infantry (Marines) is part of the Ukrainian Navy. It operates ground combat equipment such as T-64 MBT; Armored Personnel Carrier/Fighting Vehicles BMP-1, BMD-1, BTR-80 (8 x 8), BTR-70 (8 x 8), BTR-60 (8 x 8) and artillery to support naval operations
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Operation Ivy
04-01-2004, 09:57 PM
pictures? :D

Dave the Dawg
04-01-2004, 10:04 PM
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/navy-ukr.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/navy-ukr-1.jpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/maryns1.jpg

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/vms7.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/vms8.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/vms9.jpg

Only thumbnails of these:
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_feodosb.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_getman1.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_moskva.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_smetl.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_vinnitsa.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_zubr.jpg
http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/armament/vms/sm_zubr1.jpg

mustamato
04-01-2004, 10:21 PM
I duuno anything about it, but im guessing it's not that good.

And why do you think that? They look bad ass to me. Not poorly equipped either.

Russian Texan
04-02-2004, 12:29 AM
And why do you think that? They look bad ass to me. Not poorly equipped either.

It is not about looks, it is about substance...
Do you really think just because someone looks good or has brand new kit, he is a good/tough/skillful soldier?

As for the state of Ukranian navy - 10 more years and there will be no seaworthy ships in it left.
In 2002 I was in Sevastopol, the city that serves as a navy base for both Russian and Ukranian Black sea fleets.
I had a ride through the harbour where both countries ships were parked, it was quite a sight...basically Russian ships were clean, freshly painted and had some activity happening on them while Ukranian vessels were all rusted, some pretty bad, and appeared to be completely deserted.
I have a real good video from that ride and bunch of awesome pictures but no scanner :(
Anyone knows how I can upload video from the 8mm to the "net"?

Stavka
04-02-2004, 03:44 AM
Do you really think just because someone looks good or has brand new kit, he is a good/tough/skillful soldier?


How else does one know? If you cant soldier with style, you cant soldier at all. rofl rofl rofl

mustamato
04-02-2004, 03:51 AM
In 2002 I was in Sevastopol, the city that serves as a navy base for both Russian and Ukranian Black sea fleets.
I had a ride through the harbour where both countries ships were parked, it was quite a sight...basically Russian ships were clean, freshly painted and had some activity happening on them while Ukranian vessels were all rusted, some pretty bad, and appeared to be completely deserted.
I have a real good video from that ride and bunch of awesome pictures but no scanner :(
Anyone knows how I can upload video from the 8mm to the "net"?

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/maryns1.jpg
"Rusty crap, completely deserted"

Sure that you didnīt visit Murmansk by the way? And about the video, well
leave it to one of those stores that developes photos, they can make a digital
version of it probably, and it doesnīt cost much either, atleast not here.

Russian Texan
04-02-2004, 09:33 AM
In 2002 I was in Sevastopol, the city that serves as a navy base for both Russian and Ukranian Black sea fleets.
I had a ride through the harbour where both countries ships were parked, it was quite a sight...basically Russian ships were clean, freshly painted and had some activity happening on them while Ukranian vessels were all rusted, some pretty bad, and appeared to be completely deserted.
I have a real good video from that ride and bunch of awesome pictures but no scanner :(
Anyone knows how I can upload video from the 8mm to the "net"?

http://www.mil.gov.ua/images/6dec/maryns1.jpg
"Rusty crap, completely deserted"
#1 I did not use words "rusty crap, completely deserted", so there is no need to put it in the quotation marks...
#2 That picture was taken in 2000, I was there in 2002.
#3 Everyone looks their best on the parade/exercise/photo op...


Sure that you didnīt visit Murmansk by the way?
No too cold for me and no friends/relatives there.
If you are implying of me being biased against Ukrain, sorry to dissapoint you: significant part of my life I have lived there and my father is of the Ukranian ancestry...

And about the video, well
leave it to one of those stores that developes photos, they can make a digital version of it probably, and it doesnīt cost much either, atleast not here.
Thank you, I'll see what I can do.