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born_to_kill
04-01-2004, 11:27 PM
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TALOS
04-01-2004, 11:31 PM
I remember this case, I was horrified then and I am horrified still, but I think even with the warning you should maybe link to these pics.

Yard Ape
04-01-2004, 11:33 PM
The similarities have already been picked up on. Can you replace the pictures of the bodies with links?

mustamato
04-01-2004, 11:35 PM
And ah yes, who can´t remember the Israeli response. Firing rockets with
Apaches in to a city block, wounding (and was it even killing?) civilians when
the building were the lynching took place was leveled to the ground.

Much more civilized.

George W. Bush
04-01-2004, 11:36 PM
This is pretty old news :roll:

If you were killed like this would you want photos of your dismembered corpse to be posted on the internet 3 years later?

born_to_kill
04-01-2004, 11:39 PM
hey kid, i dont know what the **** ur problem is but hear me out...

if little "festung" ( wherever the hell that is ) got pizza parlors, schoolbusses, disco's , restaurants, blown up daily im sure you guys would respond aswell.

And as for firing rockets into the compound, yeah israel leveled that compound, and thats what they should of done.. mr mustamata tell me what israel should of done? just let them mutilate our people, or send in more troops to risk there lives?

and plus no one in thast crowd was innocent and IMO they all should of been killed, even though israel didnt kill them all because as a matter of fact WE ARE CIVILIZED.

you obviously have no idea whats going , and until your city gets daily terrorist attacks and your civilians are afraid to go outside, SHUT THE **** UP

George W. Bush
04-01-2004, 11:40 PM
and was it even killing?

One can only hope. These savages only respect violence.

marty649
04-01-2004, 11:46 PM
Reality is these people dont think like you or I. They dont really think for themselves they have that done for them by a few corrupt both fiscally and spirtually islamic leaders. These people insite hatred in the name of their allah and sadly they have dehumanized western peoples. I think its time the western culture accepts this reality and understands its either them or us, there is no coexistence to be had between us, both cultures promote superiority. Unfortunetly for them our culture has developed at a much faster pace, but the side effect of that is a Liberal culture that has a bleeding heart for people that generally would rather see us dead.

TALOS
04-01-2004, 11:49 PM
Reality is these people dont think like you or I. They dont really think for themselves they have that done for them by a few corrupt both fiscally and spirtually islamic leaders. These people insite hatred in the name of their allah and sadly they have dehumanized western peoples. I think its time the western culture accepts this reality and understands its either them or us, there is no coexistence to be had between us, both cultures promote superiority. Unfortunetly for them our culture has developed at a much faster pace, but the side effect of that is a Liberal culture that has a bleeding heart for people that generally would rather see us dead.

case in point http://soberingup.brinkster.net/ETerrorMovie.html

Johnnyringo
04-01-2004, 11:52 PM
During mob violence strange things happen, you can't judge a whole race of people based on what a few crazed individuals do. These types of incidences have happened years ago... lynchings... and probably will happen again and again in the future.

Just a couple of months ago here in Chicago a mob dragged a driver and passenger from a van (after they hit a pedestrian) and beat them to death. Crazy "savage" Chicagoans???

Tane Angle
04-01-2004, 11:58 PM
:|

Yard Ape
04-02-2004, 12:00 AM
During mob violence strange things happen, you can't judge a whole race of people based on what a few crazed individuals do. These types of incidences have happened years ago... lynchings... and probably will happen again and again in the future.

Just a couple of months ago here in Chicago a mob dragged a driver and passenger from a van (after they hit a pedestrian) and beat them to death. Crazy "savage" Chicagoans???Well said.

marty649
04-02-2004, 12:04 AM
During mob violence strange things happen, you can't judge a whole race of people based on what a few crazed individuals do. These types of incidences have happened years ago... lynchings... and probably will happen again and again in the future.

Just a couple of months ago here in Chicago a mob dragged a driver and passenger from a van (after they hit a pedestrian) and beat them to death. Crazy "savage" Chicagoans???

Did they play it up to the cameras, mutilate the bodies and hang them in a public place for the world to see what they had done. Meanwhile cheering for the downfall of the Chicago city govt? Claiming we are the grave for all who hit pedestrians?

Sayeret
04-02-2004, 12:30 AM
During mob violence strange things happen, you can't judge a whole race of people based on what a few crazed individuals do. These types of incidences have happened years ago... lynchings... and probably will happen again and again in the future.

Just a couple of months ago here in Chicago a mob dragged a driver and passenger from a van (after they hit a pedestrian) and beat them to death. Crazy "savage" Chicagoans???

Theres a bunch of big differences in this case than in the lynching in Ramallah. I'm not trying to say that all Palestinians are terrorists but the people who did this lynching are. The palestinians mutilated the Israelis and danced around like it someone was having a birthday party. The mob in Chicago killed the driver and passenger of a van but didn't mutilate them and act like it was a great acheivement that they killed him. The Palestinians have carried out terrorist attacks previously. The Chicagoans aern't going around blowing up buses and murdering innocent people like the Palestinian terrorists are doing.

Yard Ape
04-02-2004, 12:34 AM
Did they play it up to the cameras, mutilate the bodies and hang them in a public place for the world to see what they had done. Meanwhile cheering for the downfall of the Chicago city govt? Claiming we are the grave for all who hit pedestrians?If you like there are other US examples. Three guys dragged a man to death behind their truck. He was mutilated in the process and lost head and an arm. Just like in Ramalla, this act was done out of hate. In this case, hate for the colour of his skin. Would anybody here be so foolish as to draw from this a conclusion that all Americans are savages? I think not.

Lets not generalise entire ethnic or cultural groups. Focus on the individuals responsible.

TALOS
04-02-2004, 12:39 AM
Did they play it up to the cameras, mutilate the bodies and hang them in a public place for the world to see what they had done. Meanwhile cheering for the downfall of the Chicago city govt? Claiming we are the grave for all who hit pedestrians?If you like there are other US examples. Three guys dragged a man to death behinde thier truck. He was mutilated in the process and lost head and an arm. Just like in Ramalla, this act was done out of hate. In this case, hate for the colour of his skin. Would anybody here be so foolish as to draw from this a conclusion that all Americans are savages? I think not.
I would draw that the group the represent are all animals and savages if this was the way they trained their kids and it was a way of life for them. Also if all other Americans cheered them and idolized them instead of showing the massive disgust and horror at what they did. And after they did it did the crowds in the street join in and dance and sing jubilation at the killing?
There are definate differences to be drawn here.

Yard Ape
04-02-2004, 12:44 AM
There are definate differences to be drawn here.
True, but consider my post in conjunction with the statement it was defending:

During mob violence strange things happen, you can't judge a whole race of people based on what a few crazed individuals do.

marty649
04-02-2004, 12:46 AM
We all know that this lynching wasnt the first one ever to occur in the world yardape you dont have to point that out. They are all wrong and all causes of them are wrong. The reason for the hate in Iraq has much more to do with a hatred of a culture, not a race. I realize that you have broke down in your mind the rights and wrongs in the world and have come to the conclusion that the United States is at fault for much of what has gone wrong. Meanwhile you live in what i assume is a comfortable life and in a society that respects you. Much of which we have is because we have had countries or empires that had some notion of respect of human rights. Namely Great Britian and the United States (and you dont have to point out there many abuses of it because im well aware). So really you cant critique your provider, which in many ways is the United states because without them your life would most likely but much worse off.

Yard Ape
04-02-2004, 12:53 AM
you ... have come to the conclusion that the United States is at fault for much of what has gone wrong. Clearly, you have never read any of my posts as they are usually very supportive of what the US is doing. You also have not intrest in adressing the issues I have raised, because you have touched on not one. Please dispute my thesis:

During mob violence , you can't judge a race of people based on what a few individuals do.


So really you cant critique your provider, which in many ways is the United states.I am saying nothing of the US. I am making observations on individuals that area ready to generalise entire cultures/races/ethnic groups based on individuals or small groups. Are you one of those individuals?

M_S
04-02-2004, 01:54 AM
"born to kill" are you one of those hardcore settlers?

Btw, born to kill who? :roll:

TALOS
04-02-2004, 02:12 AM
During mob violence , you can't judge a race of people based on what a few individuals do.

You are totally right, in general that is too true, I was just stating that in Pal they train the children to accept this as a way of life and encourage it, the US doesn't

SeanAshi
04-02-2004, 05:14 AM
And ah yes, who can´t remember the Israeli response. Firing rockets with
Apaches in to a city blockIt was awesome when the IDF razed Arafats compound 2 years ago, crushed all his cars, blew up his helicopters. Plus all the documents taken from the compound showed that Arafat was behind the terrorist attacks, but his excuse was " those documents were forged"

Haiw
04-02-2004, 05:24 AM
Scratch Balkan-flaming, enter middle-east flaming... :|

Rtq
04-02-2004, 07:05 AM
hey kid, i dont know what the f*** ur problem is but hear me out...

if little "festung" ( wherever the hell that is ) got pizza parlors, schoolbusses, disco's , restaurants, blown up daily im sure you guys would respond aswell.

And as for firing rockets into the compound, yeah israel leveled that compound, and thats what they should of done.. mr mustamata tell me what israel should of done? just let them mutilate our people, or send in more troops to risk there lives?

and plus no one in thast crowd was innocent and IMO they all should of been killed, even though israel didnt kill them all because as a matter of fact WE ARE CIVILIZED.

you obviously have no idea whats going , and until your city gets daily terrorist attacks and your civilians are afraid to go outside, SHUT THE f*** UP



Do you know what it is like to have about 1000 km long border with russia? that´s not funny. Nobody knows when they come up with something stupid and attack.

Marmot1
04-02-2004, 08:50 AM
And what you expect from them??? They are occupied they cannot destroy your tanks or shot down planes so they can only focus all their anger of IDF soldiers. They dont have country so they dont have goverment thus no education - just like they parents who were treated like 2nd cathegory ppl, and you expect them to be civilized??? Probably most of them even don't know how to read and write and you expect them to obey international laws...

They have got 2 of your guys and all expressed their anger on those 2... I am 100% positive that ppl in every ocupied nation would do the same if they get their opresor in their hands...

OldRecon
04-02-2004, 11:10 AM
Scratch Balkan-flaming, enter middle-east flaming... :|
rofl rofl rofl :)
Though the consequences of the background conflict at both places to all this flaming is sad stuff indeed :(.
Basicaly 2 or more opposed parties still believing it's possible to achieve clean sweep with regards to own aims versus oponent.

S'13
04-02-2004, 12:28 PM
They are occupied they cannot destroy your tanks or shot down planes so they can only focus all their anger of IDF soldiers.
Occupied, that's funny rofl

Prior to the "Intifada" the Palestinians had their own autonomy and were about to get a state of their own, however I'm not sure how much is left of that autonomy 4 years after they started their campaign of terror. :roll:


They dont have country so they dont have goverment thus no education - just like they parents who were treated like 2nd cathegory ppl, and you expect them to be civilized???

The PA is their goverment, however it's teaching Palestinian children how to kill Jews...


Probably most of them even don't know how to read and write and you expect them to obey international laws...

Actually the adult literacy rate in the West Bank and Gaza as of 2001 was 89%, and even if there was a low literacy rate among the Palestinians it shouldn't stop them from acting like human beings... :roll: Next time when you comment on something, get your facts straight.


They have got 2 of your guys and all expressed their anger on those 2.

"Expressed their anger on those two", don't you mean murder Yossi Avrahami, father of three children and Vadim Norvich, just married four days earlier in cold blood.
The only "crime" these two men had committed was to take a wrong turn and end up in the custody of the "Palestinian police".

citizen-k
04-02-2004, 12:35 PM
And what you expect from them??? They are occupied they cannot destroy your tanks or shot down planes so they can only focus all their anger of IDF soldiers. They dont have country so they dont have goverment thus no education - just like they parents who were treated like 2nd cathegory ppl, and you expect them to be civilized??? Probably most of them even don't know how to read and write and you expect them to obey international laws...

They have got 2 of your guys and all expressed their anger on those 2... I am 100% positive that ppl in every ocupied nation would do the same if they get their opresor in their hands...

It's always good to know that Europeans are still around to keep us all civilized.

Since the days of the Rome and the Crusaders through Nazi Germany right up to pedophile Belgians judging humanity...

S'13
04-02-2004, 12:37 PM
'I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life'
By Mark Seager

MARK SEAGER, 29, a British photographer, was working on a pictorial study of Palestinian refugees when he found himself caught up in the horrific lynching of two Israeli army reservists in Ramallah. The only journalist to witness the beating, as he tried to take the photograph that would have made his fortune, the crowd turned on him with such hatred, destroying his camera, that he feared for his own life.

This is his exclusive, eyewitness account:

"I had arrived in Ramallah at about 10.30 in the morning and was getting into a taxi on the main road to go to Nablus, where there was to be a funeral that I wanted to film, when all of a sudden there came a big crowd of Palestinians shouting and running down the hill from the police station.

I got out of the car to see what was happening and saw that they were dragging something behind them. Within moments they were in front of me and, to my horror, I saw that it was a body, a man they were dragging by the feet. The lower part of his body was on fire and the upper part had been shot at, and the head beaten so badly that it was a pulp, like red jelly.

I thought he was a soldier because I could see the remains of khaki trousers and boots. My God, I thought, they've killed this guy. He was dead, he must have been dead, but they were still beating him, madly, kicking his head. They were like animals.

They were just a few feet in front of me and I could see everything. Instinctively, I reached for my camera. I was composing the picture when I was punched in the face by a Palestinian. Another Palestinian pointed right at me shouting "no picture, no picture!", while another guy hit me in the face and said "give me your film!".

I tried to get the film out but they were all grabbing me and one guy just pulled the camera off me and smashed it to the floor. I knew I had lost the chance to take the photograph that would have made me famous and I had lost my favourite lens that I'd used all over the world, but I didn't care. I was scared for my life.

At the same time, the guy that looked like a soldier was being beaten and the crowd was getting angrier and angrier, shouting "Allah akbar" - God is great. They were dragging the dead man around the street like a cat toying with a mouse. It was the most horrible thing that I have ever seen and I have reported from Congo, Kosovo, many bad places. In Kosovo, I saw Serbs beating an Albanian but it wasn't like this. There was such hatred, such unbelievable hatred and anger distorting their faces.

The worst thing was that I realised the anger that they were directing at me was the same as that which they'd had toward the soldier before dragging him from the police station and killing him. Somehow I escaped and ran and ran not knowing where I was going. I never saw the other guy they killed, the one they threw out of the window.

I thought that I'd got to know the Palestinians well. I've made six trips this year and had been going to Ramallah every day for the past 16 days. I thought they were kind, hospitable people. I know they are not all like this and I'm a very forgiving person but I'll never forget this. It was murder of the most barbaric kind. When I think about it, I see that man's head, all smashed. I know that I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life.

That night when I got back to Jerusalem, I found out that I was the only photographer there and people kept asking me if I'd got the picture, then telling me I would have made my name.

I was so shocked that for the first time I didn't call my girlfriend who is back home in west London, five months pregnant with our first child. Of course, she was really worried because she'd seen on television what had happened and she knew that I was in Ramallah and then I hadn't called.

She was horrified and, when I did speak to her the next day, she asked: "Did you see?" I just said yes, but I couldn't really talk about it. Afterwards, I heard even worse details like that the policeman's wife was phoning his mobile to see if he was all right and them telling her that they were killing him. From what I saw, I can believe that.

I love this country, I'd love nothing more than to see Israelis and Palestinians sharing an argalah or waterpipe but, after the hatred that I've seen in the past few days, I don't think that will happen in my lifetime. Look how many years that they've been talking peace - since 1993. Then, within just a couple of weeks, they are at each other's throats. It seems that it's easier to hate than to forgive.

I didn't get the picture that would have made me famous but at least I am alive to see the birth of my child."

IDFM203
04-02-2004, 12:44 PM
DO NOT POST GRAPHIC IMAGES UNLESS THEY ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FORUM RULES

read the forum rules or you will be banned, posts deleted and or edited.

Love, the managementHere let me help you buddy :D

I posted this the other day in relation to the brutal and savage act commited aginst those U.S. persoanl in Iraq.

here is a repost......


The brutal savage act that happened in Iraq today is appalling.

Resisting the U.S. and all that is one thing but the way these soldiers were killed far exceeds acceptable behavior and yeah those that did this aren’t into western standards and so what?, I say that doesn’t excuse anything for simple human standards should recognize how it exceeds applicable behavior (or as applicable one can be in these types of things).

Unfortunately what the Americans are now experiencing is not new for us where we in Israel know all too well firsthand this inhuman savagery by these types of people.

Click here for a act that is somewhat similar to what happen today (http://inhonor.net/ramlah/)(I warm you that its very very graphic!!!!)






Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!
yes and as well as for the above savage act.

Shalom :(

citizen-k
04-02-2004, 12:49 PM
DO NOT POST GRAPHIC IMAGES UNLESS THEY ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FORUM RULES

read the forum rules or you will be banned, posts deleted and or edited.

Love, the managementHere let me help you buddy :D

I posted this the other day in relation to the brutal and savage act commited aginst those U.S. persoanl in Iraq.

here is a repost......


The brutal savage act that happened in Iraq today is appalling.

Resisting the U.S. and all that is one thing but the way these soldiers were killed far exceeds acceptable behavior and yeah those that did this aren’t into western standards and so what?, I say that doesn’t excuse anything for simple human standards should recognize how it exceeds applicable behavior (or as applicable one can be in these types of things).

Unfortunately what the Americans are now experiencing is not new for us where we in Israel know all too well firsthand this inhuman savagery by these types of people.

Click here for a act that is somewhat similar to what happen today (http://inhonor.net/ramlah/)(I warm you that its very very graphic!!!!)






Quite Frankly, I think These (http://editorial.*****images.com/source/CFW/imageResults.aspx?s=EventImagesSearchState|1|15|1|3158991|0|0|0|0|&p=1) people ought to be rounded up and @#*!
yes and as well as for the above savage act.

Shalom :(

Are you doubting European humanity, boy?!?!?

IDFM203
04-02-2004, 12:59 PM
Are you doubting European humanity, boy?!?!?Whats there to doubt? ;)

P.S. boy?? ahh?? son you best step away from that label or else p-)

Shalom :D

wholagun
04-02-2004, 03:25 PM
ahahaha that was awful... I really gorry..... damn.

how could someone do that to someone else,,, I can't imagine hating anyone that much to do that to them...

ExtraT
04-02-2004, 03:53 PM
'I'll have nightmares for the rest of my life'
By Mark Seager

...



The level of hypocricy of these european reporters is simply staggering: He is describing what he claims to be an incredibly traumatic experience for him, but he is still mentioning 3 times that he didn't get a picture of it, that could have made him famous. Poor him.
Also, while claiming that he "loves" the country and all it's people, he still continues to peddle the "mutual hatred" theory, so much loved by the european bastards.

He is the embodiment of modern journalism: an amoral facilitator for his political leadership. If he is indeed having nightmares from his experience he deserves 100 times over. But I seriously doubt that he is really having them.

Mr. Nielsen
04-02-2004, 04:02 PM
Unfortunately what the Americans are now experiencing is not new for us where we in Israel know all too well firsthand this inhuman savagery by these types of people.

Click here for a act that is somewhat similar to what happen today (http://inhonor.net/ramlah/)(I warm you that its very very graphic!!!!)


Has the bodies, showed in the link above, anything to do with the two reservists lynched in Ramallah?

IDFM203
04-02-2004, 05:01 PM
Unfortunately what the Americans are now experiencing is not new for us where we in Israel know all too well firsthand this inhuman savagery by these types of people.

Click here for a act that is somewhat similar to what happen today (http://inhonor.net/ramlah/)(I warm you that its very very graphic!!!!)


Has the bodies, showed in the link above, anything to do with the two reservists lynched in Ramallah?I believe that those ARE the two bodies from that lynching in Ramallah.

I am just curious, but was that not clear in that link as to who those bodies were?

Shalom :D

Mr. Nielsen
04-02-2004, 05:34 PM
I am just curious, but was that not clear in that link as to who those bodies were?

The text in the link is quite explicit that the pictures show the two reservists. I'am just puzzled by a couple of things.

In this picture the two bodies are dressed in US woodland camouflage.

http://www.inhonor.net/ramlah/images/Image11_jpg.jpg (graphic picture)

Now the caption of this picture from BBC says


A Palestinian grabs one of the Israelis (who was in plain clothes)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/965000/images/_969355_grab_afp150.jpghttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/969778.stm

This quote from Haaretz also suggest that at least one is dressed in civilian clothes.


According to court papers, Sheikh was among a group of both armed and unarmed Palestinian policemen who initially saw the two Israelis approach the police station in their car. After the soldiers, one of whom was in uniform, said they had lost their way, two officers pointed rifles at their heads and led them inside.http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=333610&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

So this is inconsistent with the pictures showing two bodies dressed in woodland camouflage.

One explanation could be that the bodies were stripped during the lynching, and then redressed by the IDF with whatever available clothings. But that doesn't really seem convincing. For one both bodies wear laced boots.

AirZone
04-02-2004, 08:05 PM
what idf post are dead hizzbula ****s the pic was taken in lebanon :roll:

TALOS
04-02-2004, 08:05 PM
it says that there were four reservists, two at least were killed so the one in plainsclothes may not have been killed.

Mr. Nielsen
04-03-2004, 06:04 AM
what idf post are dead hizzbula ****s the pic was taken in lebanon :roll:

It would be might thought too. That the two bodies are dead Hezbollah guerilla's, not the two reservists. Woodland camouflage seems to be popular among Hezbollah fighters.

Actually I can't recall ever having seen any pictures of the bodies of the reservists taken after the bodies were returned. Perhaps such pictures were never made public out of concern to the relatives.

IDFM203
04-03-2004, 11:43 AM
Ok all I did was post from that website, for if indeed it was hitbllah fighters that were killed in action with Israeli troops then that website needs some explaining to do.

All I can say is that those pics are indeed gruesome as indeed war is such, but what happened in ramallah wasn’t in any combat situation but rather it was a brutal unwarranted savage act of cold blooded murder.


I mean what is fact is that those two off duty reservists were brutally and savagely beaten in a PA “police station” and then thrown out the window.

This pic here for sure is authentic (http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=7980) I also know that the pic above in my link before of the Palestinians waving out the window with glee and with his hands full of their blood is also authentic from them.

Shalom :(

Mr. Nielsen
04-03-2004, 02:39 PM
I mean what is fact is that those two off duty reservists were brutally and savagely beaten in a PA “police station” and then thrown out the window.


Yes, that was, what the original footage from italian TV showed. And I believe these three pictures from the site is authentic too:

http://inhonor.net/ramlah/images/v01_jpg.jpg
http://inhonor.net/ramlah/images/v03_jpg.jpg
http://inhonor.net/ramlah/images/v02_jpg.jpg

But apparently the webmaster thought the story needed a little extra gory touch.

Then I will give the following possible explanation for the event. And notice I say explanation, not excuse.

Dating back to the first Intifada the IDF (and Shin Bet?) has used undercover units, that infiltrated palestinian cities in civilian clothes. These units would arrest people that were considered suspects and also frequently assasinate them. I'm sure that the palestnians have hated and depised them. To my knowledge, the palestinians never succeded in killing one member of these undercover units.

Then on 12. october 2000 two Israeli soldiers in civilian clothes were apprehended on their way into a palestinian city. Perhaps the mob thought this was the time to take revenge on these two assumed undercover soldiers, before the PA were forced to hand them over to the IDF.

The killing of prisoners by the way is not an exclusive palestinian thing. For instance after a bus hijacking in 1984, a Shin Bet agent murdered two prisoners by bashing in their heads with a rock.

Another explanation could be that the palestinians simply wanted to even the score, which at this time was very much one sided in Israeli favour. The first palestinian bomb, killing Israeli civilians beyond the green line, were not to happen until three weeks later.

IDFM203
04-03-2004, 03:09 PM
Then I will give the following possible explanation for the event. And notice I say explanation, not excuse.

Well it seems like you are justifying a savage murder when in reality it is a unjustifiable act no matter your views on Israel, as I will explain further on.

So to me it comes of as an excuse but I guess we see things differently (I guess,no surprise there ;) )



Dating back to the first Intifada the IDF (and Shin Bet?) has used undercover units, that infiltrated palestinian cities in civilian clothes. These units would arrest people that were considered suspects and also frequently assasinate them. I'm sure that the palestnians have hated and depised them. To my knowledge, the palestinians never succeded in killing one member of these undercover units. First of all I believe they have.

Secondly the Palestinians have killed plenty of Palestinians outright that they suspected working for the shin bet.

But yes shin bet is indeed hated for obvious reasons that they are very successful in infiltrating these terrorist organizations and going after those that commit violent acts against Israel.


Then on 12. october 2000 two Israeli soldiers in civilian clothes were apprehended on their way into a palestinian city. First of all I believe for sure one of them had on a uniform on him and perhaps the other one as well (though that is debatable)

secondly they were in PA “police” custody and once inside they knew very well that these were reservists, I mean even if they didn’t have on any uniforms, which they did, in their car one that didn’t had his uniform in there and such.



Perhaps the mob thought this was the time to take revenge on these two assumed undercover soldiers, before the PA were forced to hand them over to the IDF. or the PA “police” also took part in this beating and in fact Israel apprehended one of their “police” officers and he was convicted of taking part in this brutal and savage murder.

The PA “police” who knew that these were reservists also took part.

Also whether they wanted revenge or whatever, like I said before, killing them is one thing, but the way it happened and the utter glee from a lot of the Palestinians in these brutal acts of savage murder, is appalling and inexcusable and no rational can make how they did it justified.


The killing of prisoners by the way is not an exclusive palestinian thing. For instance after a bus hijacking in 1984, a Shin Bet agent murdered two prisoners by bashing in their heads with a rock. yes and those who did it were in big trouble in Israel and it was indeed a big scandal and most Israelis did not celebrate what happened even though those Palestinians that were dead were terrorists that hijacked a bus, unlike the Palestinians, who in fact took part and celebrated what happened.

Secondly these reservists weren’t prisoners, they ran to the “police” station for help.


Another explanation could be that the palestinians simply wanted to even the score, which at this time was very much one sided in Israeli favour. The first palestinian bomb, killing Israeli civilians beyond the green line, were not to happen until three weeks later. ahhhh?? What??? There were bombs going off in Israeli cities before that. Hell just look at 1996 for just one example of many homicide bombings inside of the green line before the year 2000.

At that time Israel had pulled out of every Palestinian town and city to where they had almost full autonomy over their own lives but yet they still brutally murdered these two off duty reservists.

Shalom :D