Russian "Tiger"

[1071]

in St.Peterburg

[D-gin]

That thing looks tuff as hell, I want one. :)

I'd imagine that was developed from a military program?

[Morboute]

I want one. woot

any more pictures of it btw?

[TheArmenian]

This one seems to be in service with the OMON.

I didn't know the Tigr was already in production.

Is it being issued to the army as well?

And

What is the status of the larger Vodnik vehicle? Is it in production?

Thanks in advance for any info.

[zealot]

vodnik has been in production for some time now
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Chechnya2002/aad.jpg.. in service in chechnya in 2004

[TheArmenian]

vodnik has been in production for some time now
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/Chechnya2002/aad.jpg.. in service in chechnya in 2004


Very interesting, great picture.Thanks.

Do you know if the Tigr is being produced for the army as well ?
If the price is right, that vehicle should also sell well outside Russia.

[DIU]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php? is the armored GAZ-233036 which is produced for OMONs from June 2005.
The vehicle was designed at the expense of United Arab Emirates. The pilot production of GAZ-2330 “Tigr” started in 2004. In 2005 only 96 vehicles were made, mostly for MVD. The vehicle is very expensive now (by the Russian standards, of course), 60-65.000 US$ a piece. The main problem is the lack of appropriate Russian-made diesel engine. Now all Tigrs use the US engines Cummins В-180 or B-215. This partly explains the high cost and unwillingness of the army to purchase this version.
Though specialists consider GAZ-2330 a very successful vehicle. It is of the same class and dimensions as HUMVEE, but differs from the technical point of view and has the higher cross-country ability. It uses many original decisions and its very reliable running gear is unified with BTR-80 (in particular, suspension is the same).
The demand for Tigr, especially for armored GAZ-233036, has considerably increased in 2006 and GAZ extends the producing facilities to 1000 vehicles per year. In 2007 the organized export will begin. But the decisive turn can be expected only in summer of 2008 when the Yaroslavl motor plant will begin producing the new engine YaMZ-536.

http://kolyan.net/foto2006/mart/1/3611888mo6.jpg
http://kolyan.net/foto2006/mart/1/3611887som.jpg

http://forum.tsure.ru/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=18929

http://kolyan.net/foto2006/mart/1/3611896ftl.jpg

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav07.jpg

[GazB]

Technically it occupies the same niche as the Vodnik. The Vodnik has been chosen over the Tigr, though other Russian paramilitary units might like it.
Basically the standard armoured patrol vehicle has for some time been the BRDM-2. This has been superseeded recently by the Vodnik which is a modular family of vehicles including armoured and unarmoured vehicles.
Cant really see the Tigr fitting in unless it is to replace the UAZs but they still perform well and are cheaper to operate.


The main problem is the lack of appropriate Russian-made diesel engine. Now all Tigrs use the US engines Cummins В-180 or B-215. This partly explains the high cost and unwillingness of the army to purchase this version.


Without a Russian engine there is no way the Army will adopt this vehicle. They don't even really need it, they already have a vast array of vehicle types available to them for a wide range of tasks. They are also fitted with a wide array of existing engines from 180-200hp fitted to various trucks, through light wheeled APC engines like the 260HP and 300hp engines fitted to the BTR-80 and BMP-1/2 respectively, to the more powerful 450-600hp engines fitted to the BMP-3, BTR-90, and heavy trucks. (The 700-1,250hp range of tank engines wouldn't make much sense in a vehicle the size of Tigr).

[gunman]

Here you go
Gunman
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/8894/gaz233036nc4.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaz233036nc4.jpg)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1251/gaz2330361py3.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaz2330361py3.jpg)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6524/gaz2330362yn2.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gaz2330362yn2.jpg)

[DIU]

They are also fitted with a wide array of existing engines from 180-200hp fitted to various trucks, through light wheeled APC engines like the 260HP and 300hp engines fitted to the BTR-80 and BMP-1/2 respectively, to the more powerful 450-600hp engines fitted to the BMP-3, BTR-90, and heavy trucks.
The available Russian diesels of 145-240 hp class are too heavy (the main shortcoming), have insufficient resource and fuel-economy, don’t meet ecological standards. They are tolerable for standard army heavy trucks and BTR, but not for the lighter “Tiger” which is intended to be the direct competitor of Humvee for various conflicts of low intensity and “peace-keeping operations” in the Southern countries (by the way, that was the direct requirement of initial Arab customers).
The new engine YaMZ-536 (it is tested now, in August 2006, in Austria) will be a breakthrough for the Russian engine-building industry, it is twice lighter than the current Russian models of 160-180 hp and meet the ecological standards Euro 4 and later Euro 5. But its mass production will start only in 2008.
As a matter of fact, the high demand for the army version of Tigr exists in some Arab countries and Turkey right now, but GAZ can not satisfy it because Tigrs are assembled manually at the experimental facilities, not on the mass assembly line. Such assembly line is currently arranged in the town Arzamas where the GAZ’ subsidiary produces BTR-80/90.

[somedude]

Looks a bit like the British Panther 4x4.

[zealot]

^ it reminds me of Panther as well (visually), but two are not connected in any way AFAIK

[perdurabo]

is it only for military or civils can buy it also? what is the price?

[Angrykirill]

is it only for military or civils can buy it also? what is the price?

Everyone with the adequate money can purchase it, price isn't much lower than a Hummer.

[DIU]

is it only for military or civils can buy it also? what is the price?
The current retail price of GAZ-2330 for natural persons – 84.000 US$ - http://www.special-trucks.ru/mode.86244-type.html (http://www.special-trucks.ru/mode.86244-type.html) (7 places – maximum 10 men or 1500 kg; diesel Cummins B-180 – 5,9 l, 180 hp, 650 Nm; salon of high comfort with climate control, leather seats etc.). But this is unarmoured version. And, it seems, all production is ordered for many months in advance.
http://www.special-trucks.ru/zadmin_data/paragraph_new.image/87529.jpg
The armoured GAZ-233036 for state organizations (i.e. Ministry of Interior) costs only 65.000 US$. Probably, it is available for natural persons too, but the cost will be much higher.
Army does not purchase it now because of the American engine.

I saw the OMON's GAZ-233036 a week ago on the Minsk Chaussee/Road in 30-40 km to the west from Moscow. It looked strange among the usual cars (considerably bigger than various Landcruisers and Gelendwagens).