What crimes warrant capital punishment in your opinion?

[Ea$y-8]

1. Terrorism
2. Murder
3. Rape

And of course complete and utter proof they did it.

[Teufel_]

murder, rape, treason

[Laworkerbee]

Serial Child Molestation only one for me.

And terrorists simply because I believe holding them captive creates more problems that it solves, ie hostage taking to free comrades etc.

[Hutz]

Other than the ones already mentioned, how about ******ly abusing minors. All pedophiles should be castrated and shot. Too harsh?

[Laworkerbee]

Other than the ones already mentioned, how about ******ly abusing minors. All pedophiles should be castrated and shot. Too harsh?

I think repeat offender should be put down.

[Lt. James Anderson]

I think repeat offender should be put down.

Why give him a chance to become a repeat offender???

Rape (man, woman or a child) , murder, treason, like somebody already said.

[Hutz]

Why give him a chance to become a repeat offender???


Exactly. Forgive me if this sounds ignorant (as I'm not a psych student), but there's gotta be something inherently wrong with someone that like to mess with children.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

No crime period justfies killing in revenge.

[Laworkerbee]

No crime period justfies killing in revenge.

who says anything about revenge, its about protecting society.

[Hutz]

No crime period justfies killing in revenge.

So you're telling me that if someone rapped your child, you wouldn't want death? I'm sorry, but if that happened to one of my kids, I'd kill him/her myself. No remorse.

[StukaJr]

Masturbation...








Dead Man Walking!

[Hutz]

Masturbation...








Dead Man Walking!

That'd be genocide.

[D-gin]

Masturbation...








Dead Man Walking!


Oh sh!t I'm a multiple offender. :cantbeli:

[Happy]

First degree murder
High treason
Kidnapping

[Givati575]

terrorism



israel

[TheStorm]

First degree murder and treason.

[Givati575]

i think anyone who commits any crime should be killed. Then we would have a crime free society!

[Hutz]

Wasting precious Tim Horton's coffee.

[Ea$y-8]

i think anyone who commits any crime should be killed. Then we would have a crime free society!

The only way to get to create a crime free world is to make everything legal..

[fox_111]

None.

They all deserv life long emprisonnement with minimum accomodations. Cheap food, water, simple bed...

And they work to pay for their emprisonement.

[tanks_alot]

None.

They all deserv life long emprisonnement with minimum accomodations. Cheap food, water, simple bed...

And they work to pay for their emprisonement.

Yep, have to agree.

if you want to protect society than lock the offender for good and throw away the key.
if you insist on capital punishment than your only doing so out of revenge.

if your doing so out of deterrent to others than you'r dealing only with the symptom and in the long run it won't help.

[Lt. James Anderson]

Nothing wrong with revenge. If you are willing to take somebody's life or rape somebody you should suffer the consequences. Punishment has to be harsh, quick and certain to work. If you don't do that you won't achieve anything Everything else is halfassing and nothing good ever comes out of it.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

[Greek soldier]

1) Child Molestation
2) Drug dealing
3) Multiple bank robberies
4) Rape
5) 1st and 2nd degree of murder
6) Browsing MP.net 24/7 p-)

[Lt. James Anderson]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

Proven by who???

Of course it's not gonna work when you have somebody sitting on death row for thiry years (it has to be fast and certain in order to work) ...

[Happy]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

no it isn't. The number of Australians smuggling heroin into Singapore has dropped of lately.

I would be against the death penalty if I lived in a country that has used it greatly in the past for political means, Like some of Europe, or many 3rd world countries, but since in the USA it has been used usually for just criminal punishment, I am for it.


An example of what I am talking about is the difference in government executions after the American civil war, (only one), and The Spanish civil war, (200,000) or the Russian (millions) or Chinese (millions).

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

It's not helping Russia or Indonesias massive crime problems.

[Teufel_]

It's not helping Russia or Indonesias massive crime problems.

maybe because some retards suspended its use in russia to comply with liberal european scumbags

[praetorian6]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

Maybe not, but it most certainly prevents repeat offenders.

If the punishment of death doesn't deter people from committing crime, then I can't think of anything that will.

People that commit first degree murder, treason and crimes against children are people who don't need a chance to try it again.

[kaspur_eh]

Murder
Rape
Kidnapping
Terrorism
Treason

And for armed robbery cut their hands off instead of putting em on probation.

[Flagg]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

Really?

How do you explain Singapore?

[ZeroZen]

Really?

How do you explain Singapore?

well, they're a verysmall state plus an island which is impossible to escape to malaysia. To them, all is death penalty including cewing a gum in your apartment.

[Exer]

Child molesting and murder. I dont see the justice in killing a person for stealing money, its just material. But a life isnt.

[tanks_alot]

Child molesting and murder. I dont see the justice in killing a person for stealing money, its just material. But a life isnt.

But what happens if you execute a person and later find out he was innocent?
the justice system has alot of holes and fuk ups in many countries.
if an innocnet person is found guilty and gets a life sentence in jail he will still have a chance to be exonerated.

In the end if you are in favor of capital punishment only for revenge than it turns into a morale issue.
would you be willing to do the actual shooting/hanging/poisoning/gasing/switch pulling? i know i wouldn't.

[Lt. James Anderson]

But what happens if you execute a person and later find out he was innocent?
the justice system has alot of holes and fuk ups in many countries.
if an innocnet person is found guilty and gets a life sentence in jail he will still have a chance to be exonerated.

In the end if you are in favor of capital punishment only for revenge than it turns into a morale issue.
would you be willing to do the actual shooting/hanging/poisoning/gasing/switch pulling? i know i wouldn't.

I guess you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs.

[Urzza]

maybe because some retards suspended its use in russia to comply with liberal european scumbags
Some one needs a nap...

[thscott83]

Premeditated Murder, Rape (with aggrevated assault, not statutory) , Child Molestation (repeat, though these are tough to prove), Attempted Suicide Bombing.

[Vorian]

I guess you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs.

You wouldn't see it that way if you were facing death for a crime you did not commit.

[praetorian6]

Premeditated Murder, Rape (with aggrevated assault, not statutory) , Child Molestation (repeat, though these are tough to prove), Attempted Suicide Bombing.

:-D

lol

The death penalty won't deter this crime.

[Vorian]

Voting George Bush for a second time.

[bluffcove]

Id support the death penalty for premeditated murder not manslaughter.
Id support it in the case of child *** offenders working from a position of trust.
I would not support the death penalty for terrorism, because I am quite pleased that South Africa no longer has Apartheid and if they could have killed Mandela they would have done.

[Teufel_]

Id support the death penalty for premeditated murder not manslaughter.
Id support it in the case of child *** offenders working from a position of trust.
I would not support the death penalty for terrorism, because I am quite pleased that South Africa no longer has Apartheid and if they could have killed Mandela they would have done.

because people like osama and basayev are just campaigning for equal rights?

[CPL Trevoga]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

Death penalty is not here to deter crime, but rather it is an ultimate punishment.

[bluffcove]

Because in the eyes of a dictatorial regime everyone that isnt a supporter is a terrorist.

pro democracy protestors in Burma, Communist russia, China. etc etc

[caridon]

No crimes because you cant be 100% ceirtain that someone is guilty. And so far "no with his head" does not work.

/C

[Ea$y-8]

Death penalty is not here to deter crime, but rather it is an ultimate punishment.

No, the ultimate punishment would be having your eye's, ear drums, tongue, arms and legs all removed. Thus cutting a person off completely from the rest of the world and forced to live out their lives in utter darkness without any chance of ending their horrible existence.

[Bia]

It's a proven fact that the death penelty does not deter crime.

right/wrong

In societies where it is dealt with fast and publicly....it has a huge effect.
In my society where a person can be convicted at 23 yrs old and then die in a closed hush hush proceedure 19 years later....has little effect.

[bluffcove]

No, the ultimate punishment would be having your eye's, ear drums, tongue, arms and legs all removed. Thus cutting a person off completely from the rest of the world and forced to live out their lives in utter darkness without any chance of ending their horrible existence.#

cutting someones eyes out and then making them live in the dark - gee!

Double bummer dude!

[kosse]

right/wrong

In societies where it is dealt with fast and publicly....it has a huge effect.
In my society where a person can be convicted at 23 yrs old and then die in a closed hush hush proceedure 19 years later....has little effect.

Sure it scares the sh1t out of people. And also numbs to similar violence. Why do you think chinese see nothing wrong with beating dogs to death at the streets? Or why human life has little value? Or what's wrong with beheading, it's the same thing as guillotine after all. Just takes little longer to get the head apart from the body.

[Quietscheentchen]

None.

They all deserv life long emprisonnement with minimum accomodations. Cheap food, water, simple bed...

And they work to pay for their emprisonement.

that is also my opinion, as long as "life" really means life-long.

[bluffcove]

Nobody commiting a crime is planning on getting himself caught anyway.
you could kill them, imprison them fine them, castrate them but if they think they are oging to get away with it then none of it makes a difference

[Asheren]

You know many very violent cirmes are done without any considering that they will get caught or will not. Only fear that you will be punished severly for this crime can be a factor.

I would say that capital shoud be reserved for all sort of psychos or kilings involving extreme amout of violence like tortures, rape etc. befor kiling. Child killers also shoud be put to death.

[bluffcove]

If htye didnt plan it to that extent then it is reasonable to presume that in some cases they are crimes of passion in which the offender "is not of sound body and mind."

Thus under Uk law it would be wrong to exercise the maximum penalty on them (two weekends and a bank holiday in the Uk judicial system) I would certainly refure teh principal of capital punishment for crimes of passion.

[Ea$y-8]

I guess you can't make an omlet without breaking a few eggs.

Just wait until you become one of those eggs.

[Teufel_]

Just wait until you become one of those eggs.
has there been a single person proven to be innocent executed in the US since the 1970s or whenever it was reinstated?

[Lt. James Anderson]

Just wait until you become one of those eggs.

Pretty weak argument. Let's say you and your squad are patrolling a busy street. You come under fire and you have to return the fire in order to survive ... but at the risk of killing a couple civilians in the process. Is it justified? Yes, IMO, ... you might not like it, you might try to do your best to avoid it ... but the fact remains ... you still have to return the fire ...

[XShipRider]

The problem is irrefutable proof. Here in America we use eyewitnesses
or, more recently, Oscar performance worthy sob stories to convict
for capital punishment. Unfortunately, we have learned of a few
who have been exonerated through DNA evidence. This bothers me
in the sense that innocent people no doubt have been put to death
in this country many times in the past based on eyewitness testimony.

As for what crimes? Murder whether it's premeditated or not. Not to
include manslaughter.

[Kilgor]

But what happens if you execute a person and later find out he was innocent?
.


I would only support the dealth penality in clear cases of 100% DNA match.

Death penality should never be about revenge, it should be about removing scum from society and protecting the innocent.

[Geezah]

No crime period justfies killing in revenge.

So no-one should be punished for commiting crimes in your mind????? Afterall a sentence handed down is revenge????

I believe people that have a real hard time playing with others need to be put down.

[Urzza]

I would only support the death penalty in clear cases of 100% DNA match.

Death penalty should never be about revenge, it should be about removing scum from society and protecting the innocent.
I don't know... I heard about a case , a rape homicide, where the suspect not only matched the DNA test they did, he also fit the suspect profile, was in the area, etc. But "just to nail the coffin shut" the lead detective ordered a new, more accurate, test done, and that should it wasn't him.


Pretty weak argument. Let's say you and your squad are patrolling a busy street. You come under fire and you have to return the fire in order to survive ... but at the risk of killing a couple civilians in the process. Is it justified? Yes, IMO, ... you might not like it, you might try to do your best to avoid it ... but the fact remains ... you still have to return the fire ...

...You DON'T see the difference between returning fire and sentencing someone to death?


No, the ultimate punishment would be having your eye's, ear drums, tongue, arms and legs all removed. Thus cutting a person off completely from the rest of the world and forced to live out their lives in utter darkness without any chance of ending their horrible existence.

psst! dombars yah got it wrong! p-)


Westley:"To the pain," means the first thing you lose will be your feet below the ankles, then your hands at the wrists, next your nose.Prince Humperdinck:And, then my tongue I suppose. I killed you too quickly the last time; a mistake I don't mean to duplicate tonight.Westley:I wasn't finished. The next thing you lose will be your left eye, followed by the right . . .Prince Humperdinck:And, then my ears, I understand. Let's get on with it.Westley:Wrong! Your ears you keep, and I'll tell you why. So that every shriek of every child at seeing your hideousness will be yours to cherish, every babe that weeps at your approach, every woman who cries out: "Dear God, what is that thing?" will echo in your perfect ears. That is what "to the pain" means. It means I leave you in anguish, wallowing in freakish misery, forever.

p-)

[tanks_alot]

I would only support the dealth penality in clear cases of 100% DNA match.

Death penality should never be about revenge, it should be about removing scum from society and protecting the innocent.

You can remove scum from society and protect the innocent with a life sentence.

[Kilgor]

You can remove scum from society and protect the innocent with a life sentence.
Society should not be forced to pay for it though. It costs a great deal to hold a prisoner in max security.

[IraGlacialis]

For the US, I would prefer life imprisonment over capital punishment. The reason isn’t that execution is cruel, it’s that it isn’t cruel enough. The Eighth Amendment gets in the way. You got these injections that are supposed to painless (even though no one knows for sure) being put into a person that, for example, took some kid, raped and disemboweled him while he was still alive, took pictures, threw the body into a drainage ditch, and kept the pictures. S**t like that happens and people are still lobbying for MORE humane forms of punishment. I remember this joke by Robin Williams, "You know when the person is about to get executed the guy in charge comes and swabs his arm with alcohol, ’WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU DOING?!’ ‘We just don’t want you to get an infection.’":cantbeli:
Personally I’m in favor of these 10 forms of punishment for murder (including terrorism), rape, and child abuse and molestation (even if it doesn’t reach rape status.). But this is only for when the case is 99.9% assured.

Start a penal colony, like what Australia used to be, but don’t develop it. Find the most disease ridden area.
Medical and science testing. They are damned anyway, might as well make use out of them.
Even though already here, manual labor. Provide some competition for them illegal immigrants (throw in people on welfare and don’t work for it also)
Bring back Inquisition-style punishment with some modern twists (H2SO4, anyone?). Throw in some decapitation by sword as well. Plus some public tar and feathering.
A little morbid, but make executions public. My scoutmaster has been to Saudi Arabia a decade or two ago. He said that the moment he arrived, he was ushered to the square (as apparently most tourists are to show how Saudis deal with criminals) right to the front of the crowd around the chopping block. Fortunately it was only a theft, so only hand was involved; suffice to say, he avoided the square whenever it was crowded. But he said that crime was at freakishly low levels over there.
Definitely goes against 8th amendment, punish them close to the manner which they committed their crime. Although this method would probably be taxing to most people mentally people. Examples: Murder involving car: run them over with a Mini Cooper repeatedly till they expire. Rape: metal poles into the ass and needles into the urethra (unless they would enjoy that, eeew) then execution. Muder involving gun, shooting them where they shot the victim. And so on.
Crocodiles.
For rape cases put them in a pool full of Vandellia cirrhosa and related species. And after the accused have drunken themselves full.
Put them in a cell without amenities and leaving them there to rot. Very cost effective.
Cast them off a 75’+ drop. Very, very cost effective, especially if done off of a designated cliff in the wilderness with a lot of wild animals to avoid the cleanup.And I always have wondered why people say I have a morbid mind. Oh and even though it isn't part of my list, has anybody ever thought of dispensing with ths circus of a trail and jus handcuffing Saddam and Co. to a lightpole in Baghdad or Irbil and letting the locals handle it? Just a thought.:)

[Lt. James Anderson]

...You DON'T see the difference between returning fire and sentencing someone to death?

No difference. When you return fire in a crowded street you sentence inocent bystanders to death (even kids) ... It's a pretty tough choice (but you never had one in the first place).


For the US, I would prefer life imprisonment over capital punishment.

Then people like you should volunteer to finance it. I personally believe that we should have a choice on how our tax money is spent (mine would be to support the soldier rather than some scumbag, and to support the kids who have a potential/gift for science).

[IraGlacialis]

No difference. When you return fire in a crowded street you sentence inocent bystanders to death (even kids) ... It's a pretty tough choice (but you never had one in the first place).



Then people like you should volunteer to finance it. I personally believe that we should have a choice on how our money is spent (mine would be to support the soldier rather than some scumbag, and to support the kids who have a potential/gift for science).

If you notice, most of the time for capital punishment, the perp spends so much time on death row due to bureaucracy it might as well be life imprisonment, and if you look at costs, the US version of the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment. Athough they should really get rid of those things such as TVs and air conditioning that make the people "so comfortable". That would lower costs more. That's why it pisses me off when money and minds are spent on finding a drug that would make the death more humane to please the bleeding hearts when, like you said, could be used to fund education (which I believe we are lacking on at many levels).

[Lt. James Anderson]

If you notice, most of the time for capital punishment, the perp spends so much time on death row due to bureaucracy it might as well be life imprisonment ...

If you read my earlier posts you'd see that I said the same thing. That's why the time between the execution and the time when judge read the sentence should be at most a few days. Punishment has to be fast and certain in order to work ...

[IraGlacialis]

If you read my earlier posts you'd see that I said the same thing. That's why the time between the execution and the time when judge read the sentence should be at most a few days. Punishment has to be fast and certain in order to work ...

You know the soft-hearts with a lot of influence won't allow it.
To clarify, that's why I choose life imprisonment over capital punishment at this point in time. Death penalty is too long, kind, and costly. When that changes, so will my mind.

[Urzza]

@Lt.James Anderson (Hence forth to be know as Lt.JA)
But there's a KEY difference between returning fire and executing some one. Urgency. By not returning fire, you or people around you could be wounded or killed. But who's gonna be harmed if Mr. Mcvay is sitting in his cell?

[asch]

No, the ultimate punishment would be having your eye's, ear drums, tongue, arms and legs all removed. Thus cutting a person off completely from the rest of the world and forced to live out their lives in utter darkness without any chance of ending their horrible existence.
wow. you are kinda sick.

[steelfury]

Rape
Murder
Armed robbery(when it resulted in a death)
child Molestation

Look when those who disagree with this have had any of the said crimes happen to a loved one or someone they knew, they will understand...until then shut the F up. You will never see or understand what the victims of these crimes have to endure and those that loved them.I have!!!!

[Ergnkon]

Other than the ones already mentioned, how about ******ly abusing minors. All pedophiles should be castrated and shot. Too harsh?


and burned.

[tanks_alot]

Society should not be forced to pay for it though. It costs a great deal to hold a prisoner in max security.

So you'll execute people over a budget issue? that is by far the worst argument there is for capital punishment.

[Switek]

NO CRIME WARRANT CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, NONE.

This is my private opinion based on my personal system of values. My religion (lutheran) of course affetcs it. I really believe that every single human life is a supreme value above others. It concerns also convicted. Every single life should be protected, every... State, society which in behalf of lost one life demands another in revenge, acts illogicaly

Execution (done) is an only punishment which can be repealed. If there is a small margin of "court mistakes", what happens, executions should be banned.
Everyone should have chance to change even if he's gonna spend rest of his life in jail.


Every those crimes should be punished inevitably, then we can discuss about preventive role of laws

[caridon]

has there been a single person proven to be innocent executed in the US since the 1970s or whenever it was reinstated?

It is imposible to answer that question as a person that is killed cannot later be proven innocent by law (they cant appeal)
That is why persons that are pro capital punichment use this question.

It is as imposible to answer correctly as it is to answer yes/no to "do you still beat your kids"

there have however benn a lot of cases where persons executed have been deemed inocent after their execution
(however thy are still guilty in the face of the law, funny paradox isent it.)

/C