Jews are silent. Again.

[RP]

By Hadassa Ben-Itto 1

In the welter of criticism directed at the war in Lebanon, one question has not been asked: why has there been nothing about the intolerable hate propaganda swamping the Arab-Muslim world, led – again – by The Protocols of the Elders of Zion ?

Now that the second Lebanon war is over we hear from all sides that we “fell asleep on sentry duty,” that we underestimated the strength of the enemy, that we were unprepared and too self-confident, that we committed sins of hubris and made false promises to our friends overseas and to the citizens of Israel, that we deluded ourselves into thinking that the existence of the State of Israel guaranteed the future of the Jewish people. Demands come from all sides to appoint a commission of inquiry. “Off with their heads!” people cry.

Were I to be called before such a committee, I would testify that for years one subject has been neglected and never mentioned, although it is no less relevant to the current war than other subjects endlessly harped on. Indeed, we did fall asleep: we never developed an effective strategy to deal with a lethal weapon of another sort, one as dangerous as missiles and rockets.

We keep asking ourselves how the entire Muslim world, including the parts of it not involved in the conflict with the Palestinians, and which do not seem to be the least interested in the Palestinian fate, were so successfully seduced into taking a stand against us, not only leaders but the man on the street as well. Why do thousands run rampant through the streets calling for our destruction? Is it only in defense of Arab honor? And why are they joined by all the human rights organizations, whose original agendas were not supposed to include a struggle against Jews and the State of Israel?

An American diplomat once said to me, “I don't believe this is happening to the Jews again. You haven't learned your lesson. If you had carefully read Mein Kampf you would know what's waiting for you. The writing is on the wall again but you don't even look at it. Wars don't begin in the battlefield. Read the UNESCO Charter that says, ‘Wars start in the minds of men.'”

For the last hundred years a dangerous lie has been spreading throughout the world. It accuses us of being responsible for every catastrophe visited upon humanity, and is based on the claim that the very existence of Jews endangers world peace. It is the famous “Jewish conspiracy” whose goal is to dominate the world, carefully detailed in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion , of which millions of copies are distributed in every conceivable language.

Not only do we not read The Protocols , the book has not even been translated into Hebrew.

Since the Second World War we have not bothered to pinpoint the methodical poisoning of the minds of hundreds of millions of Muslims with the message that the Jews are a danger to their existence. The facts are out there for all to see, they look at us from the pages of newspapers, from studies and from books. We have seen it all and done nothing. We have become tired of dealing with Jew haters, fatigued from denying the libels. We became complacent and did not correctly evaluate the danger or look for ways of coping with it.

Entire nations, hundreds of millions of people, cannot be enlisted to take part in a struggle to destroy the Jews and Israel unless they have been subjected to a methodical, long-term propaganda campaign. We Jews failed to realize the use made of The Protocols to incite the pogroms in Russia at the beginning of the 20 th century; nor did we realize how the Nazis used them as a basis for the theory that as long as there were Jews in the world, they would carry out their plan to take over the globe, thus endangering the Nazi plan to achieve the same end.

Since the Second World War, Muslims have picked up the torch from the Nazis, with the avowed objective of destroying us, as a people and as a state. And that is stated openly, in public speeches given by heads of member states in the United Nations , in charters such as that of the Hamas and in sermons in the mosques.

The original version of the Protocols has not changed, but each of the thousands of editions, regardless of language, is prefaced by an explanation of how the Jews are currently implementing their plan, here and now. Thus new editions with new prefaces are necessary after each current event like the attack on the World Trade Center or the war in Iraq : read the newspapers, they say, the Jews are responsible for it all. The Arabic editions, whether published in Iran , Syria or Egypt , are distributed to Muslim communities in the West, prominently displayed at book fairs and sold at discount prices in stores on main streets.

In recent years, television series in Egypt , Syria and Qatar , one after another, were based on The Protocols and broadcast to the entire Muslim world during Ramadan, in the evening, when the entire family gathers to break the fast and turns on the TV. These are popular soap operas targeting all ages, including adolescents, which revive the criminal Jewish conspiracy theory to take over the world.

All this is happening here and now, as we look on.

The Muslim world believes the libel, even if there are a few intellectuals who might be willing to admit that perhaps The Protocols are a forgery. In a large hospital in the United States , I recently met a doctor of Lebanese extraction from a well-known Christian town. I asked him if he was familiar with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and he answered that he had a copy in his library, knew it well and believed every word. It's part of our culture, he said without blinking, in excellent American English.

The Arabic editions contain introductions which are completely delusional, wild and slanderous. They describe all events in world history as facets of the devilish Jewish plot and are accompanied by horrific cartoons (permissible, apparently, as long as they do not make fun of Muslims). There is no lack of similar editions in the West, but there special editions are printed for more intelligent audiences, such as the 2004 edition printed in the United States and sold in respectable bookstores in large cities.

I am looking at one such edition. It has a glossy red and white cover and is sold by Amazon for $7.95. It contains not only the original Protocols but also many documents based on the conspiracy theory. It “delves deeply” into what it calls “the Jewish problem,” giving the Jews credit for being smart, intelligent, Nobel Prize winners, definitely a people worthy of respect, but, precisely for that reason, dangerous to the world. It even deals with existing proof of the Protocols being a forgery. Thus the London Times , which was the first to expose the forgery in 1921, becomes part of the Jewish conspiracy. Others who exposed it, including a Russian princess and a French theologian, are presented as having criminal records.

The Jewish “intelligence service,” which systematically monitors manifestations of anti-Semitism, is not to blame. There are university departments and research institutes, there are conferences, publications, even websites that monitor what is printed in the Arab countries. But with the exception of a few “obsessed” individuals, there is no real awareness of the danger and there is no strategic plan to deal with it.

Today, the political correctness guiding public discourse bans statements made against anyone except Jews, even if they are true. Thus it is not all Muslims, not the Qu'ran, the commentator adds, every time he informs the world about another terrorist attack carried out by Muslims. If today a libel similar to The Protocols were disseminated about Muslims, or about any ethnic minority marked by its descent or non-Caucasian skin color, the streets would burn as they did because of a few pathetic cartoons in a marginal Danish newspaper.

When the president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, publicly announces that he intends to destroy Israel, we don't ask ourselves why, in addition to missiles and nuclear weapons, he orders The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be printed and distributed, or why his emissaries dare exhibit an English edition of the Protocols at the Iranian stall at the international book fair in Frankfurt.

And the Jewish People remain silent. For a hundred years. Even now.

Jews do not burn embassies, we do not incite thousands to march in the streets. But that does not mean that there are no alternatives. Indeed, alternatives exist.

The conspiracy against the Jewish people must be dramatically exposed, because it disseminates a vicious libel whose objective is to prepare the ground again for the annihilation of the Jews.

We can flood the courts of the world with lawsuits against those who spread the lie, because today most countries have laws that prohibit incitement against religious, national or ethnic groups.

The struggle must be taken up in all its forms: legal, political, public, through the media, globally, in every possible way, to make our voice heard, loud and clear: ENOUGH, STOP THE LIBEL, STOP THE LIES!



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1 The article was originally published in Haaretz in Hebrew on August 22, 2006. Hadassa Ben-Itto is a former judge and the author of THE LIE THAT WOULDN'T DIE ; The Protocols of the Elders of Zion . The article was translated by Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center at the Center for Special Studies (C.S.S).
http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/malam_multimedia/English/eng_n/html/ben_itto0806e.htm

[Erik2a4]

Quite honestly, incidents such as Pollard do not help.

[Greek soldier]

I've read the Protocols. Although proved to be a build-up book by the Ohrana, unfortunately some things do stand as a fact (media control in the US).

[California Joe]

If they are trying to take over the world it must be like 6 of them. The ones with no families and fake IDs. The ones that don't live in Israel getting killed in rocket attacks or the millions that already got whacked. If they all were involved then they have a serious problem. They suck at it. Casualties that are high enough to become genocide would involve some really bad planning. I'm thinking they're busy trying to survive in a hostile environment where all their neighbors want them dead.

PS I was being sarcastic........

[Greek soldier]

For sure they are not living in Israel, yet they support Israel for whatever it is doing. AIPAC and ADL come to my mind.

[Erik2a4]

I've read the Protocols. Although proved to be a build-up book by the Ohrana, unfortunately some things do stand as a fact (media control in the US).

Here we go... :roll:

AIPAC and ADL are powerful lobbies, but I don't see them linking up with Col. Sanders and the Rothschilds to run the world.

Israel does have some significant issues to work through. I will never support, nor can you justify to me their spying on the US. However, there is no simple solution to the middle east, and quite honestly, there are some actions of theirs that I admire.

[Greek soldier]

Weren't two AIPAC members arrested for trying to take classified US documents that were about Israel?

[Erik2a4]

Weren't two AIPAC members arrested for trying to take classified US documents that were about Israel?

I would not be surprised. While I don't believe in a "great Zionist conspiracy", it is a well-documented fact that Israel spies on the United States.

Again, something that I view as reprehensible. However, I don't believe that every media outlet in the US is controlled by a far-reaching Jewish conspracy. That just seems silly.

[Greek soldier]

It's not every, but you cannot reject the fact that i.e. Viacom doesn't belong to American-Jews. Only Fox doesn't belong to (Murdoch is not Australian-Jew as some have said.)

[Hollis]

It's not every, but you cannot reject the fact that i.e. Viacom doesn't belong to American-Jews. Only Fox doesn't belong to (Murdoch is not Australian-Jew as some have said.)


Are you that Jealous/fearful of the Jews......... 14 Million in the world and they have a Billion plus people running scared.

[Greek soldier]

Jealous, yes, because we Greeks try to find ways to take our eyes out, while the Jews have powerful lobbies and can influence the US Administration to an extent. They have in other words "team spirit".

Greek-Americans never had this (only between 1974-1979 when they succeeded on obliging the US Administration to impose arms sales embargo to Turkey.). After that, 0!

[Shoplifter]

Quoted: "In recent years, television series in Egypt , Syria and Qatar , one after another, were based on The Protocols and broadcast to the entire Muslim world during Ramadan, in the evening, when the entire family gathers to break the fast and turns on the TV. These are popular soap operas targeting all ages, including adolescents, which revive the criminal Jewish conspiracy theory to take over the world."

This article has that cartoonish feel of racist fiction...

Have you turned on CNN lately...or watched any action movie from Hollywood? It's like a 24/7 Islamic hate and fear festival. The other side of the street is far worse....

The only thing that will cut through all the BS is education...And sadly the world is in short supply of this.

[Danik]

Jealous, yes, because we Greeks try to find ways to take our eyes out, while the Jews have powerful lobbies and can influence the US Administration to an extent. They have in other words "team spirit".

Greek-Americans never had this (only between 1974-1979 when they succeeded on obliging the US Administration to impose arms sales embargo to Turkey.). After that, 0!

That whole media statement you made, was quite a wild stereostype. If you can prove it go ahead, and showing me that 5 Jews run one or two companies wouldnt help your case, Most news wires, or at least act as supplements, come from AFP, AP, and ******* which I dont think are run by Jews, and in anycase with the recent scandals would not be the kind of Jews that like Israel, if they do own them. By the way I think a sterotypical statement like that about any other ethinic group would get you banned:bash:, I guess jews are special:-(. And the whole Israel lobby... I mean what kind of support could america provide to Israel that is not based more along ideology than economic well being, it actually hurts the US to support Israel, Jews do not influence the foreign policy any more than greenpeace has to say about US policy on rainforests, if anything its more about right wing christian groups doing the rallying, and the US wants to promote democracy. The biggest lobby would be the oil lobby, just think about it, take a second, what would you think would happen if both the US and EU lost their need for Arab oil...

And I will also bring up another lobby, which is considered to be the strongest lobby in the US, which is the Cuba lobby, I mean common how many other lobbys do you know could push for a FCKUCKING INVASION of a soveriegn nation from the United States mainland?

[Seiyuuki]

It's not every, but you cannot reject the fact that i.e. Viacom doesn't belong to American-Jews. Only Fox doesn't belong to (Murdoch is not Australian-Jew as some have said.)There are plenty of other insert whatever ethnicity-American controlling various commanding height of U.S. economy, yet no fear of some grand conspiracy for world domination. There are also several more countries the employed a whole lot more lobbying firms in Washington than Israel could possibly afford.

[Greek soldier]

If you can prove it go ahead, and showing me that 5 Jews run one or two companies wouldnt help your case, Most news wires, or at least act as supplements,


You asked for it:

1) Viacom
2) Time Warner (Ted Turner has a small percentage)
3) Disney Corp.
4) NBC Universal (Belonged to French Vivendi, but because Jean Marie Messier created huge debts had to liquidate "Universal".)
5) Associated Press
6) Newhouse Publications
7) Libération (sold to Rotchschild, but there was huge reaction by its journalists).

Search their "Corporate Profiles" and see who's the CEO, Vice President and President. Also, who's the owner (a.k.a major shareholder).
Cheers!

PS: ******* was a German-Jew who went to London. But ******* Plc has been accused for Leftist bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*******

Also, explain me why the US Media (or some of them) where clearly pro-Israel during the Israel-Hizballah crisis. ;) Also explain me why (and I've heard it many times) the US people prefer watching BBC World and CBC (Canada).

Danik, I live in a country where by Law it isn't allowed one person to hold two means of mass communications.

Hence also why I prefer BBC to CNN (International).


There are plenty of other insert whatever ethnicity-American controlling various commanding height of U.S. economy, yet no fear of some grand conspiracy for world domination. There are also several more countries the employed a whole lot more lobbying firms in Washington than Israel could possibly afford.


Compare me the number of Jews in the US and the GDP they produce. A bit diproportionate, isn't it?

[marge]

As far as oil goes, I have cabbage.

I love to work with my hands, so I love demacrocie.

My IQ is 145, so that comment about something being made

for the less intelligent, made me discourage and sad.

Please all, think of the children first.:-(

[Lt. James Anderson]

There are plenty of other insert whatever ethnicity-American controlling various commanding height of U.S. economy, yet no fear of some grand conspiracy for world domination. There are also several more countries the employed a whole lot more lobbying firms in Washington than Israel could possibly afford.

There is no other country in the world that receives weapons and our tax money for ... what in return .And don't start with that war on terrorism BS because ithis has been going on for over 40 years.

[Danik]

Alright I will look into that, but at the same time you can also look into Arab and Chinese institutionalized, along with private, investors who own majority shares in some of these companies. And by deffenition a corporation acts in the best interests of its shareholders, not its owners.

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Also, explain me why the US Media (or some of them) where clearly pro-Israel during the Israel-Hizballah crisis. ;)

I think Fox news can be described as the only one. CNN is just blatently too stupid to have any bias because they will report anything, and I mean anything. Also realize that the News out of Lebanon is tightly controlled by hezballah, so depending on your point of view you could say that the by reporting anything from Lebanon the media is showing a pro-Hezbollah bias.

I have posted this report twice, once intended for you to read, I take it you have not:
[url]http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=15336 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*******)

Israel=47 Lebanon=108 ...and thats before Hezbollah control


Compare me the number of Jews in the US and the GDP they produce. A bit diproportionate, isn't it?
You got one almost right!woot Actually Evangelists have the highest GDP in the USA, but Jews are in second.

You dropped the Israel lobby from your post, have you understood that there are plenty of other groups in America that weild more power?, and no one weilds more power than the oil lobby which acts in the interests of its profits(which means the interests of Arab oil states), Even outside the US, could you justify how the UN acts when it attacks Israel over everything and does nothign against Arab leaders that do much worse onto seperate sects of their societies(could have something to do with the ability to control oil prices, If you look at the seventies the PLO was recognized by the UN at the height of an oil crisis). Bottom line: Cuba lobby! I mean common, how many groups do you know that can stage an invasion from one countries soil onto another's, o wait....

[Danik]

There is no other country in the world that receives weapons and our tax money for ... what in return .And don't start with that war on terrorism BS because ithis has been going on for over 40 years.

Well out of the whole region it has the most developed economy, especially for a country that doesnt have any considerable amount of oil. Our one and only true ally in the Middle East. Theres deff some ideological base for our support for Israel. Common guy... they have the largest producer of generic pharmaceuticals, diamonds, and most importantly ahava.

[kraf001]

I am not really into the conspiracy stuff but from an Iranian perspective I find Jews among the most influential ethnic groups due to their business related success.. after revolution many Jews left Iran and while most ppl think it was due to the anti-Jewish sentiment that Khomeini's government has it was actually because of their close ties with royal family.. Jewish businessmen were among the top supporters of the Shah's government and they had many business ties with Shah and Western corps plus Israeli Mussad...

Anyways looking at the Israel profile on fas.org I see some interesting stuff about US arms sales and Israeli arm exports which certainly raises some questions:





U.S. Military Aid

Israel has traditionally received $1.8 billion dollars worth of Foreign Military Financing (FMF) every year. In FY 2000, Congress also appropriated $949 million of . Economic Security Funds.. Israel is one of the wealthiest countries to receive economic aid, absorbing over one third of total global ESF funds. ESF aid to Israel is being gradually phased out, to be replaced by more FMF; in FY 2001 foreign military financing for Israel is expected to approach $1.98 billion.

Israel is so secure in the inevitability of large quantities of U.S. military aid that it has arranged for cushy private financing for some arms sales secured by expected future earnings of U.S. aid (. Israel to Buy F-16s With Private Loans: Pentagon to Facilitate Deferred Payment Option Between Lockheed Martin, Israel,. Barbara Opall-Rome, Defense News, August 2, 1999). Israel also benefits from the Excess Defense Articles program; following the Gulf War, the Army gave Israel surplus Apache attack helicopters, Blackhawk transport helicopters, Multiple Launch Rocket Systems, and Patriot tactical anti-missiles.

The Wye River agreement that Israel signed with Jordan brought with it $1.2 billion more dollars worth of military aid. The cumulative effect of all U.S. aid programs significantly impact Israeli defense expenditures: according to the State Department. s 1998 Annual Report on Military Expenditures, . new U.S. assistance to Israel for its long-term defense modernization program, as well as aid expected under the Wye Agreement, means that overall defense spending will not decrease but in fact will rise over the next 8-10 years..

Unique among FMF recipients, Israel is allowed to use up to 27% of U.S. funds on its own indigenous arms production, and is currently pushing to keep even more aid within Israeli industry. The United States agreed to waive the usual requirements about Israel spends U.S. aid money for the Wye River aid package, letting Israel spend the aid on indigenous arms, a precedent likely to continue in future peace deals (. U.S. Agrees to Allow Israel to Spend More Aid at Home,. Defense News, Barbara Opall-Rome, no date).

American dollars and technology also pours into the Israeli arms industry via offsets, incentives that American weapons manufacturers offer to convince Israel to sign deals, including co-production of weapons, transfers of technology, and non-military related investment. Israel enjoyed record high levels of offsets in 1999, and of defense-related offset purchases 90% came from the United States. Lockheed Martin, for instance, promised to spend $900 million in Israel to secure a $2.5 billion F-16 sale; other offsets included a $750 million counter-trade investment from Boeing for the sale of F-15I fighters and Black Hawk helicopters. In fact, Israeli law says that all companies selling to Israel must commit to investing 35 % of contract value into the local economy. Israel even demands offsets on FMF-financed arms sales, a practice for which America pays twice, by taxpayers and the economy at large (a practice which the U.S. Commerce Dept. recommends prohibiting).

Arms will be the price of any future peace deals: when an agreement with Syria was under discussion, Israel floated a $17 billion wish list. Sami Haijjar, director of Middle East studies at the U.S. Army War College, warned that if these software codes, cruise missiles, advanced surveillance systems, and smart bombs were provided to Israel in exchange for a deal with Syria, . You trigger an arms race unwittingly. You cannot expect to arm to the teeth one nation in the region and expect all others to accept it willingly.. (in . Israel. s Request for $17 Billion in U.S. Weapons Stirs Concern,. Christopher Marquis for Knight Ridder, Fort Worth Star-Telegram, February 8, 2000).

Arms Exports

The Israeli defense-industrial complex that the United States helps to underwrite is becoming one of the world. s most competitive arms exporters. Israel will export an estimated $2 billion in weaponry in 2000; the 48 entities who receive Israeli arms or defense cooperation include Cambodia, Colombia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, the South Lebanon Army (an Israeli-backed militia), and Russia (. Tel Aviv Flexes Military, Commercial Muscles,. Barbara Opall-Rome, Defense News, January 17, 2000). According to a Tel Aviv University study, India, China, Burma, and Zambia are as Israeli customers despite the fact that the U.S. either embargoes or severely restricts its own arms sales to those countries. The UN reportedly had to ask Israel to stop supplying warring countries Ethiopia and Eritrea with arms, including an air surveillance system to Ethiopian Air Force and two boats to the Eritrean Navy (. UN to Israel: Stop Supplying Arms to Ethiopia,. Yosi Melman, Tel Aviv Ha. aretz, May 19, 2000).

Given many years of military aid and defense industrial cooperation, the United States bears some responsibility for the effects of all Israeli arms sales, not just for retransfers of weapons which contain U.S. equipment. As a Pentagon official said to the New York Times, . given the amount of weaponry that the United States shared with Israel, it was difficult to separate American military technology from Israel. s own. (. U.S. Seeks to Curb Israeli Arms Sales to China,. November 11, 1999).


http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/israel.htm

[Lt. James Anderson]

Well out of the whole region it has the most developed economy, especially for a country that doesnt have any considerable amount of oil. Our one and only true ally in the Middle East. Theres deff some ideological base for our support for Israel. Common guy... they have the largest producer of generic pharmaceuticals, diamonds, and most importantly ahava.

40 years? It's time to grow up and support yourself ... get a job or something ... whatever.

[Danik]

What kind of questions? Like why doesnt the US stop them from supplying countires that should not be supplied? or why they get so much? If the threat of Arab invasion didnt hang over Israel's head, I think the arms sales, and aid would go down drastically.

And yes the Jews weild significant influence. According to wikipedia, I know its not a reliable source, ashkenazi Jews are the smartest ethinc group in the world. I may believe it, but I know it probably cant be proven. Why this is so, you can look up many reasons, like European kings handing over financial positions exclusively to Jews so they could collect interest, maybe even selective evolution with all the pogroms, only the smartest survived. All I know is this selective evolution theory exists for African Americans, as only the strongest could have possible survived the journey to America during the slave trade, I cant remeber the results of that study, something about being able to survive longer without water than most people.

^^ Its late and I know the above sounds like alot of BS, my bad.

[Danik]

40 years? It's time to grow up and support yourself ... get a job or something ... whatever.

I think they could... if there was not threat to their security, I mean look at the aid package that Kraf just posted, most of it goes towards military spending. I think its better we supply them the guns to fight, than have to go in and save them if left to their own devices with their oil-less economy.

And how are you posting, it says suspended for infractions?

[Lt. James Anderson]

And how are you posting, it says suspended for infractions?

Well, I'm special ;)

[Greek soldier]

You dropped the Israel lobby from your post, have you understood that there are plenty of other groups in America that weild more power?, and no one weilds more power than the oil lobby which acts in the interests of its profits(which means the interests of Arab oil states), Even outside the US, could you justify how the UN acts when it attacks Israel over everything and does nothign against Arab leaders that do much worse onto seperate sects of their societies(could have something to do with the ability to control oil prices, If you look at the seventies the PLO was recognized by the UN at the height of an oil crisis). Bottom line: Cuba lobby! I mean common, how many groups do you know that can stage an invasion from one countries soil onto another's, o wait....

What do you want to tell me? If the Oil lobby is first, then second is the Jewish and then if I recall 3rd or 4th is the Turkish and 5th the Armenian. And I also recall that on the 7th is the Moroccan one. As for the Greek, there isn't. Or used to exist...

Guess again: The Saudi Aramco is bigger than than the Oil lobby. Aramco have more Oil reserves than any other private company.

[ViktorNavorski]

You asked for it:

1) Viacom
2) Time Warner (Ted Turner has a small percentage)
3) Disney Corp.
4) NBC Universal (Belonged to French Vivendi, but because Jean Marie Messier created huge debts had to liquidate "Universal".)
5) Associated Press
6) Newhouse Publications
7) Libération (sold to Rotchschild, but there was huge reaction by its journalists).

Search their "Corporate Profiles" and see who's the CEO, Vice President and President. Also, who's the owner (a.k.a major shareholder).
Cheers!

PS: ******* was a German-Jew who went to London. But ******* Plc has been accused for Leftist bias.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*******

Also, explain me why the US Media (or some of them) where clearly pro-Israel during the Israel-Hizballah crisis. ;) Also explain me why (and I've heard it many times) the US people prefer watching BBC World and CBC (Canada).

Danik, I live in a country where by Law it isn't allowed one person to hold two means of mass communications.

Hence also why I prefer BBC to CNN (International).Clarification was needed, CREDIBLE proofs, not how you conceivably connected the dots like any conspiracy theorist to come up with this grandiose opinion.


Compare me the number of Jews in the US and the GDP they produce. A bit diproportionate, isn't it?Then there shouldn't be any differential feeling regarding AIPAC or the ADL in comparision to any other large lobbying entity.


There is no other country in the world that receives weapons and our tax money for ... what in return .And don't start with that war on terrorism BS because ithis has been going on for over 40 years.Egypt come to mind and there are several more, which hasn't come to mind, yet.

[Greek soldier]

Clarification was needed, CREDIBLE proofs, not how you conceivably connected the dots like any conspiracy theorist to come up with this grandiose opinion.

Did I miss sthm here? You debate this?? Come on man, do your search a bit! God, I remember watching a video (I think it was Fox) where Americans were calling and aired their views about the "Jewish" media, giving details on who's the owner, VP, CEO etc. and the Director cut it off!

Democracy or Censorship? Freedom of speech or fear?

You're not going to change my view on this issue. You can claim whatever you like, but you cannot accuse me of being a lunatic that believes in "conspiracies". These are written facts. GO read Financial Reports, or even the Corporate Profile (see, the SEC obliges all publicly-listed companies to file everything)

BTW, "cospiracists" also talk about UFOs. I neither believe in extra-terrestial existance nor the UFO (which were actually "Flugkreisels")

[alvarito]

Greek soldier, i think you have issues with the jewish people, work them with a shrink or something.
And dont forget the greeks were a great civilization, PAST!!!!

[Shoplifter]

.

Egypt come to mind and there are several more, which hasn't come to mind, yet.

Egypt gets the money for simply not being at war with Israel...

[Saranof]

All small groups of people who have done well in commerce have been hated throughout history. This isn't anything new.

[The Kid]

I am not an Anti Semite, but I am deeply worried about Israel's influence on the U.S. govt.

Case in point, the Lebanon conflict. Israel IMO displayed to the whole world that the only people who matter are Isrealis. They knowingly hit civilian targets, and dropped cluster bombs on civilians. Their response was that Hezbollah was usuing these areas to harbor weapons and fire rockets on Israel. OK Fine. But instead of taking a tactical approach and sending in their SF guys to get eyes on targets to minimize damage, they basically carpet bombed Beirut, reducing the area to rubble and destroying a civilian infastructure. So many innocents were either killed wounded or displaced. For what?

Israelis should ask themselves why the world wants to see them fail, just as we Americans should ask ourselves why the world wants us to fail in Iraq. Two armies slugging it out has as ring of justness. Slaughtering innocent civilians is not just. Invading a sovereign nation over oil is not just.

The fact remains that many Americans have been turned off by Israel's antics, and it has provided us a look into the mirror into our own govt.'s agenda. Everyone hates the neighborhood bully. I will always back any nation's right to defend itself. But that's not what is happening here.

[Danik]

they basically carpet bombed Beirut,

Thats one seriously uninformed statement. And OSB basically destroyed new york city.

[Hollis]

Greek soldier, i think you have issues with the jewish people, work them with a shrink or something.
And dont forget the greeks were a great civilization, PAST!!!!


I think for Greek it is probably from a old grudge, must have been the Maccabean revolt against the Greeks occupation of Israel. :)

[The Kid]

they basically carpet bombed Beirut,

Thats one seriously uninformed statement. And OSB basically destroyed new york city.

Ok. Please explain how it is uninformed. I probably should have said Southern Lebanon.

OSB destroyed NYC. OK. But I thought that we were talking about Israel and Hezbollah. How did OSB get into the conversation?

[coolguy120]

Ok. Please explain how it is uninformed. I probably should have said Southern Lebanon.
Wrong, you should not have said anything.



OSB destroyed NYC. OK. But I thought that we were talking about Israel and Hezbollah. How did OSB get into the conversation?
THe point he was trying to make, rather unsuccesfully due to your lack of comprehension skills, is that only a FEW blocks in teh City of beirut were destroyed. Not the whole beirut.

And greek soldier arent you the finance major? I am afraid I will contact my zionist overlords to cancel all your applications and not hire you. :-)

[emocqo]

It's about Israeli PR and US media.
I think it's a quite good document.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428959/

download link:
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/813291/Peace_Propaganda_The_Promised_Land_avi

[The Kid]

Wrong, you should not have said anything.

THe point he was trying to make, rather unsuccesfully due to your lack of comprehension skills, is that only a FEW blocks in teh City of beirut were destroyed. Not the whole beirut.

And greek soldier arent you the finance major? I am afraid I will contact my zionist overlords to cancel all your applications and not hire you. :-)

Ok. Let me get this straight. You want me to overlook the fact that Israel leveled "a couple of blocks" in Beirut, and killed many innocent civilians, including women and children. The reason that I should overlook this is because on 9/11 a couple of blocks in NYC were destroyed by a seperate terrorist organization 5 years prior?

Are you serious? On 9/11 unknowing innocent civilians and were attacked by a terrorist organization and slaughtered. Israel, who is a sovereign nation bombed and killed civilians. You have just explained why a large portion of the world hates Israel, and also our own govt. The theory is that only our own suffering matters. I truly feel for the innocents in Lebanon whose loved ones were killed, houses destroyed, and whom have been displaced due to a heavy handed Israeli policy.

We need to stop dehumanizing those whose beliefs differ from own. The Nazis did this and got a lot of people to comply with their killing a lot of innocent people. After 9/11, I'm all for killing armed terrorists who will kill civilians. I recognize that Israel has the right to defend herself against armed terrorists, but many of the people whom they killed had nothing to do with terrorism at all.

[coolguy120]

Ok. Let me get this straight. You want me to overlook the fact that Israel leveled "a couple of blocks" in Beirut, and killed many innocent civilians, including women and children. The reason that I should overlook this is because on 9/11 a couple of blocks in NYC were destroyed by a seperate terrorist organization 5 years prior?

Are you serious? On 9/11 unknowing innocent civilians and were attacked by a terrorist organization and slaughtered. Israel, who is a sovereign nation bombed and killed civilians. You have just explained why a large portion of the world hates Israel, and also our own govt. The theory is that only our own suffering matters. I truly feel for the innocents in Lebanon whose loved ones were killed, houses destroyed, and whom have been displaced due to a heavy handed Israeli policy.

We need to stop dehumanizing those whose beliefs differ from own. The Nazis did this and got a lot of people to comply with their killing a lot of innocent people. After 9/11, I'm all for killing armed terrorists who will kill civilians. I recognize that Israel has the right to defend herself against armed terrorists, but many of the people whom they killed had nothing to do with terrorism at all.
Before it is too late, I suggest signing up for SAT prep courses and work on your reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.
Whoa!
You said beirut was carpet bombed, Danik and I, claled you on the BS. End of story, no ifs or buts, no one is justifying anything, just calling your on your perpetual BS.
The rest of your post is heavy trolling, mpnet forums have been thru this, you can chck appropriate threads.

[The Kid]

Before it is too late, I suggest signing up for SAT prep courses and work on your reading comprehension and logical reasoning skills.
Whoa!
You said beirut was carpet bombed, Danik and I, claled you on the BS. End of story, no ifs or buts, no one is justifying anything, just calling your on your perpetual BS.
The rest of your post is heavy trolling, mpnet forums have been thru this, you can chck appropriate threads.


Well, that's an intelligent response. You'll go far with that logic and your grammar skills. I amended my response to the "couple of blocks" to give you the benefit of the doubt. The rest of your assessment is nonsense.

I am a mainstream guy living in mainstream America. Many of my coworkers, peers, etc feel the same way about the way that the Israelis prosecuted this war. This is, after all, an opinion thread. Take it or leave it. But if you want an opinion of what mainstream America currently thinks of Israel, you have one.

[coolguy120]

Well, that's an intelligent response. You'll go far with that logic and your grammar skills. I amended my response to the "couple of blocks" to give you the benefit of the doubt. The rest of your assessment is nonsense.

I am a mainstream guy living in mainstream America. Many of my coworkers, peers, etc feel the same way about the way that the Israelis prosecuted this war. This is, after all, an opinion thread. Take it or leave it. But if you want an opinion of what mainstream America currently thinks of Israel, you have one.
So you, dear sir, are now a certified representative of mainstream America? Why bother with the census and opinion polls?

[The Kid]

So you, dear sir, are now a certified representative of mainstream America? Why bother with the census and opinion polls?

I say take both. But the results would probably mirror much of what I am saying. Americans are growing tired of killing, whether it be in Iraq, or Lebanon. Whether it is our own boys being killed, or civilians. Fox News will tell you that, and they are the most conservative of the three major news outlets.

[Greek soldier]

I think for Greek it is probably from a old grudge, must have been the Maccabean revolt against the Greeks occupation of Israel. :)
:bash:

WHat the bloody fcuk has to do this with the thread? And no sir, what Antiochus Epiphanes did was imposing Greek and Hellenistic cultures to the Jews, completely against the spirit of Greek civilization. Not to mention the burnings of synagogues and rabbis he was ordering whenever he was being denied acces to the synagogues.

And hence the Maccabean revolt.

BTW, the first Greek Army officer to be killed during WWII was Mordechai Frizis, a Sephardic Jew from Thessaloniki. Even Metaxas, a fascist back then (who opposed Mussolini's passing to Greece) called him a "hero".

[alvarito]

Hey kid, you forgot to mention the part that hezbollah started all, and that they targeted civilians from day 1, but it seems Israel has no civilians for you.
i would like to add that if hezbollah had more powerful weapons to target israeli population , they wouldnt doubt for a second to use them.

[TheStorm]

Israelis should ask themselves why the world wants to see them fail, just as we Americans should ask ourselves why the world wants us to fail in Iraq.

rofl

Ignoring, for a moment, the sweeping generalizations and silly assumptions in this assertion, I would like to know exactly what answers you have to those questions.


Two armies slugging it out has as ring of justness.

:cantbeli:

This statement is incredibly naive and foolish. Conventional wars are no more inherently 'just' then unconventional wars.


Slaughtering innocent civilians is not just.

Thanks for letting us know that!


Invading a sovereign nation over oil is not just.

:roll:

Great, the asinine 'oil war' meme. On what do you base that claim on?


The fact remains that many Americans have been turned off by Israel's antics, and it has provided us a look into the mirror into our own govt.'s agenda.

The majority supports Israel's aims in Lebanon, and no sizable majority thinks Israel used excessive force.


Everyone hates the neighborhood bully. I will always back any nation's right to defend itself. But that's not what is happening here.

Oh? And what is?

[Hollis]

:bash:

WHat the bloody fcuk has to do this with the thread? And no sir, what Antiochus Epiphanes did was imposing Greek and Hellenistic cultures to the Jews, completely against the spirit of Greek civilization. Not to mention the burnings of synagogues and rabbis he was ordering whenever he was being denied acces to the synagogues.

And hence the Maccabean revolt.

BTW, the first Greek Army officer to be killed during WWII was Mordechai Frizis, a Sephardic Jew from Thessaloniki. Even Metaxas, a fascist back then (who opposed Mussolini's passing to Greece) called him a "hero".


LOL, Just pulling your leg... I thought the ":) " would be a clue.

[Greek soldier]

It's about Israeli PR and US media.
I think it's a quite good document.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0428959/

download link:
http://www.torrentspy.com/torrent/813291/Peace_Propaganda_The_Promised_Land_avi

Excellent find man. It really proves how powerful some people are and how easy it is to manipulate the masses through the media. God save BBC!

Notable wordings

settlements = neighbourhoods (I was shocked...)

"Americans need to wake up".

And Robert Fisk's comments.

Poor Americans. You are lucky that you have BBC, CBC and the Internet.

[coolguy120]

Yea, so we can ridicule them.

[Hollis]

Excellent find man. It really proves how powerful some people are and how easy it is to manipulate the masses through the media. God save BBC!

Notable wordings

settlements = neighbourhoods (I was shocked...)

"Americans need to wake up".

And Robert Fisk's comments.

Poor Americans. You are lucky that you have BBC, CBC and the Internet.



Jeepers look at Michael Moore epic documentary........... Now what was it about again?

I am still laughing at how much credit you give a small % of the global population and they are just as divided as any other group, just as many different opinions, just as many problems as any other group, and yet!!! you see them controlling the other 6,496,000,000 other people of the world.

Look at how many sects of Judaism there are, how they intereact or DON't intereact, look at the athiests Jews and Jews of other religions, Look at Jews in the republican party, the democratic party, the Left and the right and some how they can coordinate their activities to control everyone else.

[TheStorm]

Poor Americans. You are lucky that you have BBC, CBC and the Internet.

Spare us the fake pity. American media is no more biased than foreign media, especially the BBC and CBC. It's ironic that you picked those two organizations as examples of fair sources, because they are far from it.

[emocqo]

Spare us the fake pity. American media is no more biased than foreign media, especially the BBC and CBC. It's ironic that you picked those two organizations as examples of fair sources, because they are far from it.

still closer than american :)

[CPLHUNTER]

I think the point to this thread is the simple fact that Jewish population has been persecuted for a long time. Why this is up for debate is another story. I call it like I see it. I really don't care if your Jewish or Black or White or Asian or whatever. But when I see numerous acts of espionage, and covert actions coming from Israel I find it a bit strange b/c we are allies.

I've read about Israelis giving secrets to other countries including two that were in the last two weeks. A US sailor is in the brig right now b/c of such allegations.

Jewish people do have a large part of control of media operations and other areas of exposure. I don't fault them b/c of it, I don't believe it is some kind of consiracy, however I do believe that they contribute greatly to the spin that is put on the news. However, in the case of the recent conflict w/ Lebanon, it's hard to put a positive spin on operations that were flawed and as a result, alot of troops were killed. Civilians of course suffered as well b/c of the war.

My father in law who is a former pilot in the Israeli Air Force gives great insight into the current conflict w/ Palestinians and the Hezi's...

They are stuck in a rock and a hard place.

[TheStorm]

still closer than american :)

There's no basis for that assumption.

[coolguy120]

WHy is this thread, supersaturated in ignorance and quadruple standards still going?

[CPLHUNTER]

WHy is this thread, supersaturated in ignorance and quadruple standards still going?


that's a great point...I guess you're new to MP.NET. Get used to seeing the pointless arguments about the "Jews".

I believe what I believe and I know nothing will change my perspective. The person on the other side w/ never change either.

It's a divide that cannot be crossed...

[coolguy120]

Not at new as you would think. The arguments so far aboiut jewish dominance are border-line retarded. AP and ******* pose as neutral yet often get redhanded assisting anti-israel propaganda. At the start of the intifada CNN was somewhat anti-israel. New York Times is often negative abotu israel.
YOu brought up the spying...so WHAT everyone spies on each other, I dont know (well actually I know perfectly well) why Israel gets 90 percent of the attention for it. US aid to israel has been debated in detail on this board, and it was illustrated in great detail that we get a lot of bang for our buck when we supply it to israel.

[CPLHUNTER]

Not at new as you would think. The arguments so far aboiut jewish dominance are border-line retarded. AP and ******* pose as neutral yet often get redhanded assisting anti-israel propaganda. At the start of the intifada CNN was somewhat anti-israel. New York Times is often negative abotu israel.
YOu brought up the spying...so WHAT everyone spies on each other, I dont know (well actually I know perfectly well) why Israel gets 90 percent of the attention for it. US aid to israel has been debated in detail on this board, and it was illustrated in great detail that we get a lot of bang for our buck when we supply it to israel.

What kind of bang do we get when we supply arms to Israel?

[emocqo]

There's no basis for that assumption.

:)
well,you might not be able to find out on your own,but I do.
When I watch TV I try to involve my ability to think and observe things.

[TheStorm]

:)
well,you might not be able to find out on your own,but I do.

I stand by my previous statement: your assertion is groundless. And you have presented no evidence to the contrary.


When I watch TV I try to involve my ability to think and observe things.

As do I.

[coolguy120]

What kind of bang do we get when we supply arms to Israel?
Use the search function.

[emocqo]

I stand by my previous statement: your assertion is groundless. And you have presented no evidence to the contrary.



As do I.

I stand by my previous statement too.If you're not able to see the difference between british and us journalism (or at least contribution of relevant journalism in media) i'm not going to teach you...I passed here link earlier,so take your time and watch the movie.anyway,I think if you didn't find out by now,you won't.or maybe you just don't want to.

[Greek soldier]

Jeepers look at Michael Moore epic documentary........... Now what was it about again?

Michael Moore rants all the time... and most of the things he says (especially on "The Corporation") are written in books and encyclopaedias.

I am still laughing at how much credit you give a small % of the global population and they are just as divided as any other group, just as many different opinions, just as many problems as any other group, and yet!!! you see them controlling the other 6,496,000,000 other people of the world.

I said about US Media and their influence in the US population. They have a lot of work to do to dominate the world, haha:). As for divided, I only know 2 mainstream Jewish groups: Conservatives and Reformed. And when it comes to Israel, well... try again (I doubt that many Americans-Jews know wth is going on down there).

Look at how many sects of Judaism there are, how they intereact or DON't intereact, look at the athiests Jews and Jews of other religions, Look at Jews in the republican party, the democratic party, the Left and the right and some how they can coordinate their activities to control everyone else.

As I said, there are 2 mainstreams, and I doubt the Judaic sects surpass the 32,000 Christian ones (31,997 of them of ambiguous quality, if we take out Protestants, Catholics and Orthodoxs).

Mate, you know that the average Jew and Israeli is also affected by this "media influence", correct? Did you see the documentary? You think it is OK for a country like the USA to happen this sh*t? Filtering, censorship, and calling you whenever you dare to say sthm different "anti-Semite" (Arabs are also Semites, but somebody's illiteracy has altered the whole term).

You know, ADL (I think) called us "Anti-Semites" too, because there is a ritual in a region of Greece, where the villagers set on fire Juda, for killing Jesus. Wow, we are anti-Semites for that!!!1111oneone

[TheStorm]

I stand by my previous statement too.If you're not able to see the difference between british and us journalism (or at least contribution of relevant journalism in media) i'm not going to teach you...

The difference is quite clear to me: I daily read both British and American media. And the British media is just as biased - moreso when it comes to Israel - as the Amercan media.


I passed here link earlier,so take your time and watch the movie.anyway,I think if you didn't find out by now,you won't.or maybe you just don't want to.

Or maybe you're just wrong. I'm afraid that your movie won't suffice as proof by any objective review, because it is little more than anti-Israel propaganda - it's bias is clearly evident. Take this quote from the movie, for example:


When Israelis in the occupied territories now claim that they have to defend themselves, they are defending themselves in the sense that any military occupier has to defend itself against the population they are crushing... You can't defend yourself when you're militarily occupying someone else's land. That's not defense. Call it what you like, it's not defense.

That quote is quite revealing.

[Danik]

Greeksoldier,So because alot of the ruling elite are WASPs they feed anti-catholic bias? I can make your argument for many groups in America. Anti-semitism designates specifically Jews, when Hitler called Germans aryans I dont think he had Indians in mind. African-American designates decendents of black people who were brought here during slavery, It does not designate immigrants from Africa today that are black.

[emocqo]

The difference is quite clear to me: I daily read both British and American media. And the British media is just as biased - moreso when it comes to Israel - as the Amercan media.



Or maybe you're just wrong. I'm afraid that your movie won't suffice as proof by any objective review, because it is little more than anti-Israel propaganda - it's bias is clearly evident. Take this quote from the movie, for example:



That quote is quite revealing.

if it's clear to you than don't ask me.
I'm not sure that it's so evident.i guess you're looking for simple and fast answers.
at least the most part of anti-israeli propaganda in the movie was done by jews,so you can't blame anti-semits:)
...and please,don't be afraid:)

[Hollis]

You know, ADL (I think) called us "Anti-Semites" too, because there is a ritual in a region of Greece, where the villagers set on fire Juda, for killing Jesus. Wow, we are anti-Semites for that!!!1111oneone


Antisemitic is a word, Probably less than 100 years old, it has a meaning and a history..... as with all words, Look it up, it does not mean Anti-Semite. It means anti-Jewish.

BTW I am not calling anyone a antisemitic. I think it is amazing how much POWER many give a tiny tiny population. Even the Iranis feel they have to measure up to Israel, 68 million people in Iran against 7 million in Israel..

It is either Jews control the world and we are all idiots, or Jews do not control the world and we are not all idiots. I don't think I am a Idiot, or at least a complete idiot.

How many people in Greece?

IMHO, we are all Humans there is not a ounce of difference in genetic abilities between one group of humans to another YET......... all this "Jewish Control everything" is stating some how they are "superior genetically or something" to the rest of Mankind......... I DO NOT AGREE.

[TheStorm]

if it's clear to you than don't ask me.
I'm not sure that it's so evident.i guess you're looking for simple and fast answers.

:roll:

Now you're just grabbing at straws.


at least the most part of anti-israeli propaganda in the movie was done by jews,so you can't blame anti-semits:)


Jews or no Jews, it's still anti-Israel.

[emocqo]

"IMHO, we are all Humans there is not a ounce of difference in genetic abilities between one group of humans to another YET......... all this "Jewish Control everything" is stating some how they are "superior genetically or something" to the rest of Mankind......... I DO NOT AGREE."

It's not about genetic,it's about history,knowledge,social status and evolution of skills.
nothing else.

[alvarito]

I wonder if the USA doesnt spy on Israel?
every country spies on other countries , its about strategic assets, it is not about friendship.

[emocqo]

:roll:

Now you're just grabbing at straws.



Jews or no Jews, it's still anti-Israel.

I really don't have to:)
you're very sure about definition of defence.
because I know how media works,i have no reasons to doubt about the mentioned manipulation in us media.
...it's word against word that there is no difference between BBC and US TV.I see the difference in "manipulation" and also quality.

[TheStorm]

I really don't have to:)
you're very sure about definition of defence.
because I know how media works,i have no reasons to doubt about the mentioned manipulation in us media.
...it's word against word that there is no difference between BBC and US TV.I see the difference in "manipulation" and also quality.

I remain unconvinced. At this point, our discussion has largely run its course.

[Zeev]

Jealous, yes, because we Greeks try to find ways to take our eyes out, while the Jews have powerful lobbies and can influence the US Administration to an extent. They have in other words "team spirit".

Greek-Americans never had this (only between 1974-1979 when they succeeded on obliging the US Administration to impose arms sales embargo to Turkey.). After that, 0!

hey, thats life man! ;-)

if some people in the world wants to belive or not to a "great zionist conspiration" I will say as the majority of jews that we laugh about it and that we really dont give a fvck about what can people think about us.. hate us , love us, anyway, what does it change? :lol:

[Lt. James Anderson]

What kind of bang do we get when we supply arms to Israel?

I'd like to know that too. I tried searching ... yet ... nothing. That's been going on for 40 years (not 4, not 14, but 40). What kind of bang have we been getting ?


I think it is amazing how much POWER many give a tiny tiny population.

Sounds pretty stupid. Numbers have nothing to do with POWER. Power can be of any kind (not just economic) ...

[Hollis]

[quote=emocqo;1879906It's not about genetic,it's about history,knowledge,social status and evolution of skills.
nothing else.[/quote]


I guess you bought into it....

[coolguy120]

I'd like to know that too. I tried searching ... yet ... nothing. That's been going on for 40 years (not 4, not 14, but 40). What kind of bang have we been getting ?



Sounds pretty stupid. Numbers have nothing to do with POWER. Power can be of any kind (not just economic) ...
I love it!
So basically, you honestly believe that jews are SOOOO superior (in terms of intelligence and tactics) that they are able t control gentiles like its nothing. Damn, I guss I should take it as a compliment.

P.S. as for jewish unity you guys never heard the joke (that reflects the truth) 3 jews 4 opinions?

[Lt. James Anderson]

Stalin as one man had more power than 200 mil. citizens of the Soviet Union. It has nothing to do with superiority ...

[coolguy120]

Stalin as one man had more power than 200 mil. citizens of the Soviet Union. It has nothing to do with superiority ...
Stalin did not run the backyard by himself p-) NKVD jews helpedp-)

P.S. I am crunk of Russkiy Standart vodka and Hennesy Special, its a jewish conspiracy to destroy the world supply of CRUNK juice!

[emocqo]

I guess you bought into it....

no,I didn't.I understood his post.

[50pushman]

I've read the Protocols. Although proved to be a build-up book by the Ohrana, unfortunately some things do stand as a fact (media control in the US).

When they were written they were laregly based on truth. You are right.

[Kilgor]

can the tin foil mob here explain why jews often vote democrat but are accused of conspiracy with neo-conservatives ?

Retards :roll:

[LRPV]

I can't believe this ****. I hope the other threads are better.Wake up or this site will get the same reputation as other supposedly mil. sites.

:backhand:

[MrX]

Denie ignorance! Only ignorants believe that "Protocols of Elders of Zion" is fake material!

See:

http://www.papurec.org/fundamental/fundamental_frameset.html

"U.S. War Department investigation and evaluation of ussues generated by Jewish power. It was compiled in August 1919 and given SECRET classification until 1973"


"Protocols" are factual material, most probably author is Asher Ginsberg (Ahad-Ha-Am) from Odessa lodge of Bnai-Brith or, alternatively, Theodor Herzl, zionist leader (materials from zionist congress in 1896 - sometimes questioned due to fact that similar materials were known few years before).

"The only statement I can to make about Protocols is that they fit in with was is goin on. They are sixteen years old, and they have fitted the world situation up to this time. THEY FIT IT NOW."
- Henry Ford, in an interview published in New York WORLD, February 17th, 1921."

THEY FIT IT NOW, August 27th, 2006 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Other question is that Jews maybe are only tool of world conspiracy. Nobody knows who stay behind them. Masonry, Illuminati, Aliens or something else..."

"Do you really believe that this War on Terror is not provocation for total control of nations, elimination of citizen and human rights and finally for establish World Regime? So wait few years!"
-Anonymous source

[coolguy120]

Some people in this thread need to go back to high school.
ANd where are the mods? Still sleeping?

[DeltaWhisky58]

Some people in this thread need to go back to high school.
ANd where are the mods? Still sleeping?

No, not sleeping, dealing with retards like you! :bash: