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coolguy120
08-27-2006, 12:18 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060826/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_hezbollah;_ylt=AuTjd4.zaNlXiLAnAlVIAqQLewgF;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--



MARWAHEEN, Lebanon - They pushed, shoved, shouted and cursed one another.


In the end, Hezbollah supporters were turned back from an attempt to plaster posters of their leader around Marwaheen, a Sunni Muslim village in southern Lebanon that is mourning the loss of 23 residents from an Israeli air attack during the war.
"Why do you want to put up an image of someone who is killing us?" a man screamed as dozens of villagers brandished fists and thrust open palms at Hezbollah loyalists clutching posters of Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the group's bearded and bespectacled chief. "We don't want to see it!"
Though everyone here blames Israel (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Israel) for the 23 deaths, many place equal blame on Hezbollah for bringing its militant Shiite fighters into the region and drawing Israeli fire.
Such displays of anger illustrate the complexities in a nation where Shiite, Sunni, Christian and Druse beliefs exist in a tumultuous mix that boiled over during Lebanon's 1975-1990 civil war.
Open criticism of Hezbollah is rare in southern Lebanon, a predominantly Shiite area where yellow Hezbollah flags fly over demolished houses and posters of Nasrallah adorn almost every utility pole and shop.
Anger at the Islamic militants is more common in a handful of Christian villages where residents blame Hezbollah — and its capture of two Israeli soldiers July 12 — for setting off the destructive 34-day war.
But some Sunni Muslims are furious, too. In Marwaheen, anger has welled up since the July 15 deaths of 23 civilians fleeing artillery and rocket duels between the Israeli army and Hezbollah guerrillas, who took up positions in and around the village.
On the war's third day, Israeli soldiers used loudspeakers to urge civilians to evacuate Marwaheen.
One group of 27, including eight Shiite villagers, sought refuge at a U.N. post in town, but were turned away. Fleeing, their convoy was hit by shells from an Israeli gunboat off Lebanon's coast. Twenty-three died in the barrage and an assault by an Israeli helicopter minutes later.
None of the dead could not be buried until after the fighting stopped Aug. 14.
As the bodies were brought in coffins from a morgue in Tyre on Thursday, Hezbollah supporters wanted the group's flags flown atop the vehicles, partly for journalists to see, said Adel Abdallah, a villager who lost several relatives in the attack.
An argument broke out, and it was decided that only the vehicles carrying coffins of the eight Shiite dead would fly the flags, he said. The other vehicles took another road to Marwaheen so they would not be associated with Hezbollah.
Some of the dead Shiites were buried wrapped in Hezbollah flags, but most of the villagers were lowered in coffins draped in Lebanon's national flag, emblazoned with a cedar tree.
"Nobody wants Hezbollah here," Adel Abdallah said. "They don't want to fight for Lebanon. They fight for themselves, for Iran (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Iran), for Syria (http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?p=Syria)."
Residents talk bitterly of Hezbollah turning their village into a battleground.
When the war broke out, people said, Hezbollah fighters in civilian clothes entered the village and set up launchers to fire rockets south into Israel. The guerrillas moved the launchers around, putting one on top of a house that was subsequently destroyed, they said.
A teenage girl who was in Marwaheen for the first three days of the war said she saw a Hezbollah fighter set up a rocket launcher with a timer on a nearby hillside, then run to the other side of the village near her home, taking refuge between civilian houses.
Streaks of red crossed the sky as the launcher fired a volley into Israel, and minutes later Israel returned fire and huge explosions tore through the launch site, she said.
"We begged them to leave," the girl said, declining to be quoted by name because she feared retribution from Hezbollah. "We told them, 'Get out! We have children here. We don't want anybody to get hurt.' But they ignored us."
Hezbollah fighters have abandoned Marwaheen, but a white minivan incinerated by an airstrike stands beside a mosque. Villagers said it contained several rockets and a launcher that were later removed by guerrillas. What appeared to be a rocket tube covered with a green camouflage tarp lay dumped in a thicket beside an adjacent wall.
A few blocks away, people pointed out a destroyed house that they said was a Hezbollah weapons depot. The roof of the stone building had collapsed onto a pile of rubble, from which peeked rocket-propelled grenades, mortar tubes and a dark green box that apparently once stored ammunition.
"Nobody knew they were using our houses to store weapons. We were surprised to find them" after the war, said Wassim Abdallah, 24. "How could they keep weapons in the middle of all these civilian houses?"
Even Sunni muslims complain to the press about hizzie terrorism. I wanna see with the creative lines that the apologists can come up with.

budgie
08-27-2006, 01:27 PM
Even Sunni muslims complain to the press about hizzie terrorism. I wanna see with the creative lines that the apologists can come up with.


Don't be ridiculous. Of course Hezbollah aren't popular with all factions in Lebanon and many people, especially as time dilutes their rightful anger at Israel, will see that to a large extent it was their homegrown terrorists that brought this war down upon them.

This whole dig at apologists (presumably liberals like myself who think Israel went overboard) is typical of the right wing 'us or them' camp who decry any attempt at understanding nuances as sympathy for the devil. Grow up.

But if you want 'creative lines' from an 'apologist', I have some for you.

1) Lebanon is almost one third Christian and one third Druze. I doubt that you'll find many Hezbollah sympathisers among them. Doesn't mean they're not angry at Israel for bombing their homes though. Only idiots or the wilfully ignorant will confuse anger at Israel with support for terror.

2) Muslims in Lebanon come in both the Sunni and Shia flavors. Hezbollah are Shiite and therefore probably unpoupular with Sunnis. Especially in the wake of the bitter ethnic divide wracking Iraq. Oh yeah, the far right's other pet war is a great example.

3) Even some Shia are probably quite angry at Hezbollah for stirring up the hornet's nest and for using civilian areas as cover for attacks on Israel. Wouldn't you be?

That some people are mad at Hezbollah is a no-brainer: "Though everyone here blames Israel for the 23 deaths, many place equal blame on Hezbollah for bringing its militant Shiite fighters into the region and drawing Israeli fire."

It's right there in the article and agreeing with that statement is neither washing Israel's hands in this mess, nor siding with terrorists. The article doesn't need any 'apologists' so crawl back under your bridge, Troll.

Teufel_
08-27-2006, 02:15 PM
hezbollah is popular with shiites, not sunnis

inche yao?
08-27-2006, 06:41 PM
budgie has a point. The moderate Shiites did not agree with the act of Nasrallah. They of course paid the price as well.

Many in Lebanon did not want this, but Israel's continuos bombardment on targets outside Southern lebanon all the way to the northern border wuth Syria made the citizens to join the voices of the resistance.

The second the airport was bombed and IAF was running out of targets, people started pointing fingures at Israel again.

One thing I agree about the article was non shiites suffered as well.

C.MAXIMUS
08-27-2006, 10:32 PM
budgie has a point. The moderate Shiites did not agree with the act of Nasrallah. They of course paid the price as well.

Many in Lebanon did not want this, but Israel's continuos bombardment on targets outside Southern lebanon all the way to the northern border wuth Syria made the citizens to join the voices of the resistance.

The second the airport was bombed and IAF was running out of targets, people started pointing fingures at Israel again.

One thing I agree about the article was non shiites suffered as well.

I am not in Lebanon but I know this airport was used to move equipment for hezz ... Israel closed it in the best way possible ... There is no good war, there is always colateral damage ...

One?
08-28-2006, 12:36 AM
hezbollah is popular with shiites, not sunnis

aha thats why the lebanese Islamic Brotherhood and the Ahbash (who are sunnis) in lebanon along with the muslim brotherhood in egypt all supported hezbollah right? What about the Free Patriotic Movement (who has a christian majority) ? What about the druze who do not support Jumblat....

One?
08-28-2006, 12:37 AM
I am not in Lebanon but I know this airport was used to move equipment for hezz ... Israel closed it in the best way possible ... There is no good war, there is always colateral damage ...

Prove it with facts! Don't just say "I know".

Hollis
08-28-2006, 12:46 AM
It seems Nasrallah has done some back peddeling......

You can only hide the truth so long.

Switek
08-28-2006, 03:31 AM
From another thread:


Nasrallah sorry for scale of war

Nasrallah ordered the capture of the soldiers on 12 July
Hezbollah chief Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has said he would not have ordered the capture of two Israeli soldiers if he had known it would lead to such a war.
"Had we known that the kidnapping of the soldiers would have led to this, we would definitely not have done it," he said in an interview on Lebanese TV.

He added that neither side was "heading towards a second round" of fighting.

More than 1,000 Lebanese died in the 34-day conflict which left much of southern Lebanon in ruins.

The Israeli offensive began after two Israeli soldiers were seized during a cross border raid by Hezbollah militants on 12 July.

Annan visit

"We did not think that there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war of this scale and magnitude," Sheikh Nasrallah said.

"Now you ask me if this was 11 July and there was a 1% chance that the kidnapping would lead to a war like the one that has taken place, would you go ahead with the kidnapping?

"I would say no, definitely not, for humanitarian, moral, social, security, military and political reasons.


Many thousands have been left homeless by the offensive
"Neither I, Hezbollah, prisoners in Israeli jails and nor the families of the prisoners would accept it."

Sheikh Nasrallah was speaking on the eve of a visit to Beirut by United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan to discuss the expanded UN peacekeeping force to be deployed in southern Lebanon.

A force of 15,000 soldiers, 7,000 of them from European Union states, will be deployed to maintain the fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah.

The UN hopes to have some of the troops on the ground within a week, although the foreign minister of Finland - which currently holds the EU presidency - has said it will be two to three months before the whole force is deployed.

The force will be led by France until February, at which time Italy will take command.

Speaking in Brussels on Friday, Mr Annan said the plan would only work if the enlarged UN force, called Unifil 2, was "strong, credible and robust".

Mr Annan said the force offered the possibility of a "durable ceasefire and long-term solution" to the Middle East crisis.

and




Hizbullah surprised at Israeli offensive

By JPOST.COM STAFF



Deputy Chief of Hizbullah, Naeem Kasam said Saturday that the organization was surprised at the extent of Israel's response to the kidnapping of IDF soldiers Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser.
"We were surprised by the size and strength of the Israeli reaction. We expected that the IDF would bomb areas close to the border for several days and only cause minimal damage," Kasam said in an interview with Lebanese newspaper A-Nahar.

According to the deputy, Hizbullah had information that the US and Israel were planning to launch an attack against the organization in September or October, but due to American and Israeli public pressure following the kidnapping of the two soldiers, the attacks were carried out earlier, prior to Israel being fully prepared for a full-scale attack.

Furthermore, Kasam noted that Hizbullah would not disarm because Israel continued to occupy the Shabba Farms, still held Lebanese prisoners and IAF planes flew in Lebanese airspace on a day-to-day basis.

So whe have childish apologies "sorry I didn't want". But besides it Nasrallah is blamed for heavy loses of Hezbollah and sombody wants to use it to remove him from power or make his power weaker

mailmannz
08-30-2006, 07:09 PM
made the citizens to join the voices of the resistance.

Could you remind me what exactly people were resisting? Israel wasnt exactly "oppressing", "invading" or "occupying" Lebanon before the 2 soldiers were kidnapped and 8 others were murdered INSIDE Israeli territory.


The second the airport was bombed and IAF was running out of targets, people started pointing fingures at Israel again.

Hate to be the one that split hairs but the airport was attacked very early on in the peice.


One thing I agree about the article was non shiites suffered as well.

And I think we can both agree that this was because of Hisbulla's attack on Israel.

Mailman

inche yao?
08-30-2006, 10:16 PM
Could you remind me what exactly people were resisting? Israel wasnt exactly "oppressing", "invading" or "occupying" Lebanon before the 2 soldiers were kidnapped and 8 others were murdered INSIDE Israeli territory.

Do you know how many of these acts were reported to the UN? I don't think there is enough bandwith to link all of them but here is one...

http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/56/a56762.pdf




Hate to be the one that split hairs but the airport was attacked very early on in the peice.

Yes it was attacked on the first few days, and all together, 24 bombs were dropped. This is a civilian airport that the Israelis claim and of course no way to prove it that was used to smuggle weapons. This pretty much pissed off the rest of the Lebanese not to mention the Christians as well.




And I think we can both agree that this was because of Hisbulla's attack on Israel.

Mailman

Israel goes on TV and says that they target only Hizbullah infrastructures. I said it before many times here that is not true. Bridges, power plants, airports, factories, are not Hizbullah targets. If Israel has a problem finding these rocket launchers than their intelligence needs some homeworkd to do. By the way, here is some late night reading.

This factory is a few km from ours, but Liban Lait made the headlines, ours has a crater in the middle of it. By the way, we made Jams.

Read on:

Bombing of Liban Lait leaves a sour smell
Israeli firm lost lucrative UNIFIl supply contract to bekaa dairy in 2001

By Lysandra Ohrstrom
Daily Star staff
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
BEIRUT: A lucrative contract to supply dairy products to United Nations peacekeepers in South Lebanon may have motivated the destruction of Lebanon's largest dairy farm, Liban Lait said Tuesday. The Bekaa-based factory had been providing the United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) with milk and yogurt since it out-bid an Israeli firm in 2001, but has been inoperational since six precision-guided bombs targeted the dairy's processing plant on July 19.
"The Israelis knew the outcome of conflict and they knew that they would be asking for 15,000 troops to be stationed at the border," Liban Lait's marketing manager, Mark Waked, told The Daily Star. Waked estimated the contract to be worth between $2 million and $3 million with a beefed-up UNIFIL contingent in Lebanon.
"It's a worthwhile contract supplying 15,000 troops, and knowing that I'm sure they hit the plant so northern Israel could provide the milk," he said, adding that the Israelis hit a dairy factory in the Gaza Strip as well.
UNIFIL's procurement department said they had not issued any invitations to bid for their dairy contract yet, and refused to specify a future date for the tender. They also declined to divulge which Israeli firm supplied UNIFIL with dairy products in the past.
Nestle would not confirm rumors that its Israel branch held the contract in the past. The Middle East headquarters of Nestle did not return numerous calls from The Daily Star, and in response to an email inquiry, the company's European headquarters said that "we are not in the habit of discussing commercial relationships with any customers in the media."




UNIFIL's media coordinator, Hassan Saklawi, said a cargo ship has delivered food to the Naqoura harbor every second day from a logistical base in Cyprus since the conflict began. He said UNIFIL no longer gets its milk on the local market, but could not specify the origin and brand of the new supplies.
"You have to call the UN Tender Committee in New York to find out which brands come in, but we are not allowed to bring products from Israel," he said, "all I can tell you my friend is that nothing is written in Hebrew on our items OK."
Liban Lait's cows and some of its utilities were spared from Israeli fire, but the entire processing plant has been burned to the ground. The company was forced to suspend 180 of the plant's estimated 250 workers Monday in what Waked called an "extended vacation."
Waked hopes that Liban Lait - whose products account for 70 percent of the annual dairy consumed in Lebanon - will be able to resume regular processing within two months.
For the time being they are selling fresh milk to other local dairies to be processed, and imports of long-life dairy products are filling the gap. Though no complete estimate of damages to Lebanon's industrial sector have been issued, factories suffered at least $200 million in losses.
Pretty interesting stuff heh?

budgie
09-01-2006, 09:39 AM
budgie has a point. The moderate Shiites did not agree with the act of Nasrallah. They of course paid the price as well.

Many in Lebanon did not want this, but Israel's continuos bombardment on targets outside Southern lebanon all the way to the northern border wuth Syria made the citizens to join the voices of the resistance.

The second the airport was bombed and IAF was running out of targets, people started pointing fingures at Israel again.

One thing I agree about the article was non shiites suffered as well.

I've flown into that airport twice in the past year - carrying passengers not arms - and I could just as well have been there that day. Screw your collateral damage. You want collateral damage? The majority of cluster bombs dropped by Israel were in the final hours before the ceasefire took effect. Just a few little parting gifts for the people of Lebanon? That is intentional damage.

Clarsachier
09-01-2006, 11:44 AM
I've flown into that airport twice in the past year - carrying passengers not arms - and I could just as well have been there that day. Screw your collateral damage. You want collateral damage? The majority of cluster bombs dropped by Israel were in the final hours before the ceasefire took effect. Just a few little parting gifts for the people of Lebanon? That is intentional damage.


Indeed. It will be interesting to see if the continual violation of Lebanese airspace by Israel of the last 6 years will continue with the 'robust' UN force positioned on it's border.

Methinks not.