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annihilation
08-28-2006, 03:20 PM
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226851_fragile26.html
Experts warn U.S. is coming apart at the seams
By Chuck McCutcheon
Newhouse News Service
WASHINGTON — A pipeline shuts down in Alaska. Equipment failures disrupt air travel in Los Angeles. Electricity runs short at a spy agency in Maryland.
None of these recent events resulted from a natural disaster or terrorist attack, but they may as well have, some homeland security experts say. They worry that too little attention is paid to how fast the country's basic operating systems are deteriorating.
"When I see events like these, I become concerned that we've lost focus on the core operational functionality of the nation's infrastructure and are becoming a fragile nation, which is just as bad — if not worse — as being an insecure nation," said Christian Beckner, a Washington analyst who runs the respected Web site Homeland Security Watch (www.christianbeckner.com <http://www.christianbeckner.com/>).
The American Society of Civil Engineers last year graded the nation "D" for its overall infrastructure conditions, estimating that it would take $1.6 trillion over five years to fix the problem.
"I thought [Hurricane] Katrina was a hell of a wake-up call, but people are missing the alarm," said Casey Dinges, the society's managing director of external affairs.
British oil company BP announced this month that severe corrosion would close its Alaska pipelines for extensive repairs. Analysts say this may sideline some 200,000 barrels a day of production for several months.
Then an instrument landing system that guides arriving planes onto a runway at Los Angeles International Airport failed for the second time in a week, delaying flights.
Those incidents followed reports that the National Security Agency (NSA), the intelligence world's electronic eavesdropping arm, is consuming so much electricity at its headquarters outside Washington that it is in danger of exceeding its power supply.
"If a terrorist group were able to knock the NSA offline, or disrupt one of the nation's busiest airports, or shut down the most important oil pipeline in the nation, the impact would be perceived as devastating," Beckner said. "And yet we've essentially let these things happen — or almost happen — to ourselves."
The Commission on Public Infrastructure at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington think tank, said in a recent report that facilities are deteriorating "at an alarming rate."
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It noted that half the 257 locks operated by the Army Corps of Engineers on inland waterways are functionally obsolete, more than one-quarter of the nation's bridges are structurally deficient or obsolete, and $11 billion is needed annually to replace aging drinking-water facilities.
President Bush, asked about the problem during a public question-and-answer session in an April visit to Irvine, Calif., cited last year's enactment of a comprehensive law reauthorizing highway, transit and road-safety programs.
"Infrastructure is always a difficult issue," Bush acknowledged. "It's a federal responsibility and a state and local responsibility. And I, frankly, feel like we've upheld our responsibility at the federal level with the highway bill."
But experts say the law is riddled with some 5,000 "earmarks" for projects sought by members of Congress that do nothing to systematically address the problem.
"There's a growing understanding that these programs are at best inefficient and at worst corrupt," said Everett Ehrlich, executive director of the CSIS public infrastructure commission.
Ehrlich and others cite several reasons for the lack of action:
• The political system is geared to reacting to crises instead of averting them.
• Some politicians don't see infrastructure as a federal responsibility.
• And many problems are out of sight and — for the public — out of mind.
"You see bridges and roads and potholes, but so much else is hidden and taken for granted," said Dinges of the Society of Civil Engineers. "As a result, people just don't get stirred up and alarmed."
But a few politicians are starting to notice. In March, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., joined Sens. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, and Tom Carper, D-Del., in sponsoring a bill to set up a national commission to assess infrastructure needs.
That same month, the CSIS infrastructure commission issued a set of principles calling for increased spending, investments in new technologies and partnerships with business. Among those signing the report were Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Chris Dodd, D-Conn.
"Infrastructure deficiencies will further erode our global competitiveness, but with the federal budget so committed to mandatory spending, it's unclear how we are going to deal with this challenge as we fall further and further behind in addressing these problems," Hagel said in a speech last year. "We need to think creatively."

annihilation
08-28-2006, 03:23 PM
Always have thought we should have paid more attention to our infrastructure. We spent 300 billion in Iraq in such a few short years. Maybe we should do the same with our infrastructure (but not like the pork barrel highway bill).

XShipRider
08-28-2006, 05:31 PM
This is not new. Every time a bridge collapses the focus turns to rebuilding
the nation's infrastructure. Then, like good Americans, after 3.7 seconds
we turn our attention back to Survivor, American Idol, 24 or we're aghast
at what Tom said to Brooke. Thus the politicos go about their business of
carving out pork and trading arts grants for swimming pools, etc., whilst
the roads crumble.

mattnwnc03
08-28-2006, 07:21 PM
were all to loaded up on mcdonalds and ice cream to give a damn. lol

Flagg
08-28-2006, 07:55 PM
Infrastructure:

a.) is NOT sexy

b.) IS expensive

c.) IS taken for granted

mattnwnc03
08-29-2006, 07:21 AM
you and your infrastructure, take care of your infrastructure, your infrastructure is not forever. your infrastructure will break down after time, be good to your infrastructure.

Durandal
08-29-2006, 08:46 AM
Always have thought we should have paid more attention to our infrastructure. We spent 300 billion in Iraq in such a few short years. Maybe we should do the same with our infrastructure (but not like the pork barrel highway bill).

I am not too sure we WANT to same thing we have done in Iraq...after all, our rebuilding there was no better than the rebuilding on the Gulf Coast after Katrina.

Overspending, little oversight, corruption, and a job poorly done.

Iraq is over 300 Billion of absolutely no return, throwing money into a hole, spending. Imagine if we had invested that into this nation.

DaGreatRV
08-29-2006, 09:15 AM
Don't be afraid to pay taxes dear americans!

Really what is it with you and those constant tax cuts? No wonder your education, infrastructure, healthcare sux.

Please, don't vote for the guy who promisses taxcuts.

Durandal
08-29-2006, 09:27 AM
Don't be afraid to pay taxes dear americans!

Really what is it with you and those constant tax cuts? No wonder your education, infrastructure, healthcare sux.

Please, don't vote for the guy who promisses taxcuts.

Christ.

It has nothing to do with tax cuts. It has to do with decreased regulations and poor spending.

vryhpyammoadded
08-29-2006, 10:24 AM
Iraq is over 300 Billion of absolutely no return, throwing money into a hole, spending. Imagine if we had invested that into this nation.

Sure, I don’t even have to imagine… The money would promptly disappear into the pockets of politicians, there buddies and anyone else who can scam the government.
Now imagine if that tax money had never come out of our pockets in the first place. Then we could all go out and buy spinning gold hubcaps for our Cadillac SUV’s and roll even more credit card debt to the next 0% interest card for six months!

Durandal
08-29-2006, 10:29 AM
Sure, I don’t even have to imagine… The money would promptly disappear into the pockets of politicians, there buddies and anyone else who can scam the government.
Now imagine if that tax money had never come out of our pockets in the first place. Then we could all go out and buy spinning gold hubcaps for our Cadillac SUV’s and roll even more credit card debt to the next 0% interest card for six months!

I'm self employed. I get taxed off my @ss. When you think of all that money I paid into Social Security and Medicare and how I could better invest that it makes me sick.

I'm all for tax cuts, the more the better.

Erik2a4
08-29-2006, 10:51 AM
Don't be afraid to pay taxes dear americans!

Really what is it with you and those constant tax cuts? No wonder your education, infrastructure, healthcare sux.

Please, don't vote for the guy who promisses taxcuts.

You're a virgin who masturbates to anime, aren't you?

shocker1
08-29-2006, 11:24 AM
Don't be afraid to pay taxes dear americans!

Really what is it with you and those constant tax cuts? No wonder your education, infrastructure, healthcare sux.

Please, don't vote for the guy who promisses taxcuts.
What a load of crap! I am self-employed as many Americans and taxed up to my eyeballs. There is constant road construction here in the South. TVA and the ACE are installing new locks at Chickamauga Nick-A-Jack dams which is part of the bill the article slams. Keep your socialist rants in whatever country you live. A country as large as America will forever have infrastructure problems. Maybe we should cut INTERNATIONAL welfare from the US tit sucking countries and the UN.:bash:

XShipRider
08-29-2006, 12:51 PM
What a load of crap! I am self-employed as many Americans and taxed up to my eyeballs. There is constant road construction here in the South. TVA and the ACE are installing new locks at Chickamauga Nick-A-Jack dams which is part of the bill the article slams. Keep your socialist rants in whatever country you live. A country as large as America will forever have infrastructure problems. Maybe we should cut INTERNATIONAL welfare from the US tit sucking countries and the UN.:bash:

Agree.

Ever notice when a state has a problem with things such as infrastructure
they want to make it a federal problem?

Someone answer me this; How is it that Hawaii gets federal highway
funds when there isn't an ice water in hell's chance of creating an
interstate?

I have personal knowledge of a debacle called H3 in Hawaii which
squandered over a billion dollars. When I left in 1994 the state had
spent a billion federal dollars and not one mile of pavement had
yet been put down. How does one spend a billion dollars on a
highway project when the total run is only about 15 miles?

The Big Dig in Boston is another over budget debacle funded by
billions of federal dollars.

Durandal
08-29-2006, 08:39 PM
Or the ROck and ROll Hall of Fame...ther's a GREAT expenditure of federal tax dollars...or the B.B. King Museum...in a town of 6000!?

Come on...the list goes on and on to the extreme, including crooked defense contractors....who are some of the worst.

XShipRider
08-29-2006, 09:47 PM
Or the ROck and ROll Hall of Fame...ther's a GREAT expenditure of federal tax dollars...

Ouch! You hit home with that one.:) The Rock Hall is the ugliest
building I've seen short of any federal building. The inductees
don't even bother to come to Cleveland, most poverty stricken
city in the nation, they get inducted in NYC. But... if you want
to watch it on a theatre-like screen the Rock Hall sells tickets
for a simul-cast event. Whoopee.