View Full Version : Now that we know Bush had ntohing to do with Plames outing, what gives?
Dronetek
08-29-2006, 01:45 PM
It’s been about a week since Armitage admitted he was the leaker of Plame's name to Robert Novak and I've yet to see anyone in the media apologize to Bush. There was a concerted campaign to paint Bush and Cheney as the leakers in the media and I wan to know why there is no accountability. Chris Mathews made it his crusade to blame Bush and probably had a hand in bringing down his poll numbers. Where is he now?
SniperAndy
08-29-2006, 01:50 PM
Well, there is still plenty of other stuff to blame him for. So I don't think it would make any difference...
Dronetek
08-29-2006, 02:20 PM
A huge part of the image the administration has is because of the way the media painted it as an administration scandal. Why are they free to slander people and get away with it? How do these media outlets continue to get away with claiming to be objective sources of news?
thscott83
08-29-2006, 02:23 PM
VERY few people outside of the media elite and the left-winged blogging crowd gave a crap about "Plamegate".
XShipRider
08-29-2006, 02:26 PM
VERY few people outside of the media elite and the left-winged blogging crowd gave a crap about "Plamegate".
Yes.
Wasn't it the Democrats calling for an investigation? Well, that explains
the paucity of coverage for the recent revelations.
angry cow
08-29-2006, 02:49 PM
I personally cared alot about ti and im neither a member of the media elite or left. If it had been Bush or Cheney themselves such a crime would be unpardonable. As someone who originally voted for them I would have gladly approved of their resignation. You don't betray your people. Ever.
ElHombre
08-29-2006, 02:50 PM
It’s been about a week since Armitage admitted he was the leaker of Plame's name to Robert Novak and I've yet to see anyone in the media apologize to Bush.
and how do we know that bush had nothing to do with it. so far, the only one with the complete story is fitzgerald and he's keeping his cards very close to his chest.
in any case, a good part of bush's sinking poll numbers about the scandal came when he started backtracking on his promise to fire anyone in his administration involved with leaking. once it became clear that rove and cheney were up to their ears in this, bush had to flip-flop. this created yet another issue with his credibility...
ViktorNavorski
08-29-2006, 04:15 PM
in any case, a good part of bush's sinking poll numbers about the scandal came when he started backtracking on his promise to fire anyone in his administration involved with leaking. once it became clear that rove and cheney were up to their ears in this, bush had to flip-flop. this created yet another issue with his credibility...O rly...After how many grand jury and how many years of investigation, still no indictment, nothing, na da. It's borderline violating the 6th Amendment if Rove and Cheney got to wait this long and still wait more if they're somehow "up to their ears in this." Unless this is nothing more than the usual party political bull**** from you.
2Sheds_Jackson
08-29-2006, 04:20 PM
and how do we know that bush had nothing to do with it. so far, the only one with the complete story is fitzgerald and he's keeping his cards very close to his chest.
in any case, a good part of bush's sinking poll numbers about the scandal came when he started backtracking on his promise to fire anyone in his administration involved with leaking. once it became clear that rove and cheney were up to their ears in this, bush had to flip-flop. this created yet another issue with his credibility...
If "up to their ears" means "not in jail, not in court, not indicted, not charged" then I agree with you. If not, then it's just more of the world through your Bush colored glasses.
in any case, a good part of bush's sinking poll numbers about the scandal came when he started backtracking on his promise to fire anyone in his administration involved with leakingNo, his poll numbers dropped when immigration reform failed and the gov't continued to spend like a crack addicted monkey. His drop comes from angry conservatives who feel like he left them.
ElHombre
08-29-2006, 06:50 PM
No, his poll numbers dropped when immigration reform failed and the gov't continued to spend like a crack addicted monkey. His drop comes from angry conservatives who feel like he left them.
ahhh. it's difficult to keep up with the admin's many credibility problems. immigration, iraq, katrina, economy, social security, etc...
shocker1
08-29-2006, 07:17 PM
ahhh. it's difficult to keep up with the admin's many credibility problems. immigration, iraq, katrina, economy, social security, etc...
Economy? Lets see: increased revenues despite tax cuts for people like me(self-employed) still to high, very low unemployment, healthy growth, decrease in welfare applications, incentives to businesses that make expansion and equipment purchases(like me) ect .ect
Iraq? Debatable, but the US enforced the UN's mandates so I agree with you 50% there.
Immigration? Even I am pissed about that as two-sheds pointed out.
Katrina? Mayor Nagin Dem , Governor Blanco Dem , President Bush in that order.
Social Security? He tried to let me invest my money but the Socialist Dems want to control it for me.
Who do I blame? Congress and the king pins who have been there for 20 years i.e. Kennedy.
WARPIG
08-29-2006, 07:26 PM
and how do we know that bush had nothing to do with it. so far, the only one with the complete story is fitzgerald and he's keeping his cards very close to his chest.
in any case, a good part of bush's sinking poll numbers about the scandal came when he started backtracking on his promise to fire anyone in his administration involved with leaking. once it became clear that rove and cheney were up to their ears in this, bush had to flip-flop. this created yet another issue with his credibility...
His credibilty isn't in question. The only people that question Bush's credibility or integrity are the left/liberals who are only interested in taking cheap shots. It's politics.. big deal. What is, and should be in question is his decision making ability. That is the real issue with his administration.
Kersh
08-29-2006, 07:57 PM
Katrina? You still blame that on him? Let me guess, you're pissed about his presidential order to send in the SEALs to blow up the dams?
Buckeye67
08-29-2006, 08:00 PM
Katrina? You still blame that on him? Let me guess, you're pissed about his presidential order to send in the SEALs to blow up the dams?
I think he's more pissed about the top secret CIA hurricane seeding project that caused the storm to begin with.
XShipRider
08-29-2006, 10:16 PM
I think he's more pissed about the top secret CIA hurricane seeding project that caused the storm to begin with.
This reminds me of some folks in a US southern state who sued
the National Weather Service because their town was hit by
a tornado. People need someone to blame for everything. They
can't just say "bad luck" and move on with their lives.
a_very_ex_STAB
08-30-2006, 04:54 AM
So is Armitage going to fall on his sword and go to jail for his boss who ordered him to leak then? :)
SniperAndy
08-30-2006, 08:41 AM
I would be pissed about the money that was promised not getting there even 1 year after the event... You can tell people we give you 110 Billion Dollar, but sending it is another question it seems. And then he even has the balls to show up yesterday...
:bash:
WARPIG
08-30-2006, 09:16 AM
I would be pissed about the money that was promised not getting there even 1 year after the event... You can tell people we give you 110 Billion Dollar, but sending it is another question it seems. And then he even has the balls to show up yesterday...
:bash:
First, check you numbers. Every area effected by Hurricane Katrina has it's own set of issues and FEMA has allocated Funds for each. Bush didn't promise money out of his magic bank account in the sky. It isn't like he can just cut a check to "Katrina Victims" and get the money to where it needs to go. Each local area has to submit a request to FEMA. FEMA determines if the requested project is eligble for Federal aid. If approved, the local governement has to front the costs and then submit for a reimbursement. That creates red tape at the local level. In the mean time.. money is there but the red tape and standard Federal bureaucracy makes for very slow progress. Basically the money just sits there. Some steps must be made to streamline the process and speed up the release of funds.. but with Billions of dollars at stake, accountability has to be maintained. Not an easy task.
Of course, that is all Bush's fault as well... the nerve of the guy, showing up on the east coast. :roll:
XShipRider
08-30-2006, 09:19 AM
So is Armitage going to fall on his sword and go to jail for his boss who ordered him to leak then? :)
Of which boss do you speak all knowing one?:)
2Sheds_Jackson
08-30-2006, 11:45 AM
So is Armitage going to fall on his sword and go to jail for his boss who ordered him to leak then? :)
By "his boss" I assume you mean Colin Powell?
As usual, it is not so much the act, but the cover-up that is the real issue.
a_very_ex_STAB
08-30-2006, 12:21 PM
Of which boss do you speak all knowing one?:)
Why the big cheese himself of course oh truthseeking one :)
It’s been about a week since Armitage admitted he was the leaker of Plame's name to Robert Novak and I've yet to see anyone in the media apologize to Bush. There was a concerted campaign to paint Bush and Cheney as the leakers in the media and I wan to know why there is no accountability. Chris Mathews made it his crusade to blame Bush and probably had a hand in bringing down his poll numbers. Where is he now?
Smoke screen
Remember Ollie North?
LMAO
The only people that question Bush's credibility or integrity are the left/liberals who are only interested in taking cheap shots.
So wrong you are....lol
SniperAndy
08-30-2006, 12:54 PM
First, check you numbers. Every area effected by Hurricane Katrina has it's own set of issues and FEMA has allocated Funds for each. Bush didn't promise money out of his magic bank account in the sky. It isn't like he can just cut a check to "Katrina Victims" and get the money to where it needs to go. Each local area has to submit a request to FEMA. FEMA determines if the requested project is eligble for Federal aid. If approved, the local governement has to front the costs and then submit for a reimbursement. That creates red tape at the local level. In the mean time.. money is there but the red tape and standard Federal bureaucracy makes for very slow progress. Basically the money just sits there. Some steps must be made to streamline the process and speed up the release of funds.. but with Billions of dollars at stake, accountability has to be maintained. Not an easy task.
Of course, that is all Bush's fault as well... the nerve of the guy, showing up on the east coast. :roll:
Well, the numbers been on the news here yesterday.
It was George (acording to our news channel) who promised the unburocratic aid to be delivered straight down "to the people who need to be helped most".
The report I've seen yesterday shows all kinds of things in New Orleans (specially the outer parts of it) but no rebuild houses or larger building sites etc.
As usual it's gonna be as it always is.
Money is gonna go to the people who really need it last.
Why else would all this people still life in caravans and stuff outside of what's left of their homes? And I don't think this people are to stupid to sign with FEMA. It is just that this people are not a priority.
Where is the problem in giving out the money?
You go there, they come to your place, look at what's left of your home, you show them the numbers, they transfer the funds for you to rebuild your home or parts of it.
It is what it is most of the time.... load of crap...
WARPIG
08-30-2006, 01:00 PM
Well, the numbers been on the news here yesterday.
It was George (acording to our news channel) who promised the unburocratic aid to be delivered straight down "to the people who need to be helped most".
The report I've seen yesterday shows all kinds of things in New Orleans (specially the outer parts of it) but no rebuild houses or larger building sites etc.
As usual it's gonna be as it always is.
Money is gonna go to the people who really need it last.
Why else would all this people still life in caravans and stuff outside of what's left of their homes? And I don't think this people are to stupid to sign with FEMA. It is just that this people are not a priority.
Where is the problem in giving out the money?
You go there, they come to your place, look at what's left of your home, you show them the numbers, they transfer the funds for you to rebuild your home or parts of it.
It is what it is most of the time.... load of crap...
Jeez.. I didn't realize that managing billiions of dollars and protecting it agains fraud and waste was that easy. Just go to their house and find out what it costs and cut a check eh? I will let G Dubya in on this hot little piece of advice during our next board meeting.
and protecting it agains fraud and waste was that easy.
Not a very good argument....fraud and waste is all that's been happening so far.
Batting ZERO
Hollis
08-30-2006, 01:32 PM
Not a very good argument....fraud and waste is all that's been happening so far.
Batting ZERO
I think Fraud and Waste has been the business of Congress(or insert your branch of government here) sense it first conviened...... Long Long ago.....
WARPIG
08-30-2006, 01:48 PM
Not a very good argument....fraud and waste is all that's been happening so far.
Batting ZERO
That is exactly right.. fraud and waste at the local level. Why do you think FEMA has to make the Local government front the cost and submit the receipts?
2Sheds_Jackson
08-30-2006, 02:20 PM
How the hell did Katrina get dragged into this? Changing the subject so soon? Or maybe it's the media's desperate full-court press to refocus on eeevil Bush. My personal favorite is the idiotic idea that the United States of America is supposed to look to the Netherlands for "expertise" in building levees. See, that's because they're European and sophisticated. I'd be willing to bet that between all the great rivers of the US (Ohio, Hudson, White, Mississippi, Missouri, etc. etc.) we've got several times the number/lengths of levees in the US than they do in the Netherlands. So suck it.
Last time I checked, it wasn't the federal governments responsibility to take care of my family or make sure my home was rebuilt. If it is, why am I paying for insurance? Hell, why am I even working?
The sad fact is, that N.O. was a liberal wonderland of entitlement, designed and run by lefties who ensured that as many people as possible were fed by "the system". They developed a dependency state where people needed the state for every aspect of their lives.
Then things broke down.
People who were self-starters, who made sure they took care of business, who made sure they had proper insurance - well, they got paid and all is well. Those who let others take care of them...
And I thought it was wonderful for Nagan to stand there and basically say that at both the WTC and NO, the government is just no good at rebuilding things...why then did he spend his political life telling people the opposite? Fvcker.
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/plame_rant 1
Back to Plame - again - I find endless delight in the final revelation here that it was the anti-Bush, anti-CIA group that did the leaking. Powell's State both financed the incompetent report by Wilson and threw Plame under the bus. Where are the demands that Powell face charges? Anybody want to speculate that he resigned because he knew this was coming? I won't, because I have a lot of respect for Powell (even though I think he was wrong) - but it's a very interesting idea.
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