USMC M16A4s

[Chris196]

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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - A Marine with Weapons Company, 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment crouches while searching around a building during a Cordon and Knock operation here March 28. The operation was conducted to investigate a live fire incident in the area a few nights prior.
Photo by: Staff Sgt. Timothy S. Edwards

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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - A Marine with 3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment watches locals at another building while providing security during a Cordon and Knock operation here March 28. The operation was conducted to investigate a live fire incident in the area a few nights prior.
Photo by: Staff Sgt. Timothy S. Edwards

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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Gunnery Sgt. Robert L. Bailey of Grafton, WV, Sgt. Anthony T. Defelice of Stamford, Conn., Sgt Ronnie J. Montez of Fresno, Calif., and Sgt. Daniel S. Standridge of Sheridan, Arkan patrol a road during a Cordon and Knock operation here March 28 with members of the Haitian National Police. The operation was conducted to investigate a live fire incident in the area a few nights prior.
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PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti - Glenclove, NY native, Lance Cpl. Edward A. Colea peers around a wall while providing security during a Cordon and Knock operation here March 28 with members of the Haitian National Police. The operation was conducted to investigate a live fire incident in the area a few nights prior.
Photo by: Staff Sgt. Timothy S. Edwards


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CAMP SCHWAB, Okinawa, Japan - Lance Cpl. Eric T. Pittman, rifleman from Company L, 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division, assumes a kneeling position while using the new MILES-2000 equipment. The MILES-2000 gear is a laser tag system that assists Marines in force-on-force training scenarios. The MILES-2000 gear is an updated version of the old MILES gear which the Marine Corps has used for training purposes for more than 20 years.
Photo by: Cpl. Ryan D. Libbert


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CAMP SCHWAB, Okinawa, Japan - Lance Cpl. Eric T. Pittman, rifleman from Company L, 3rd Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, 3rd Marine Division uses the new MILES-2000 gear during a training evolution on Camp Schwab. The MILES-2000 gear is an updated version of the old MILES gear which the Marine Corps has used for training purposes for more than 20 years. The MILES-2000 gear is a laser tag system that assists Marines in force-on-force training scenarios.
Photo by: Cpl. Ryan D. Libbert

[TriggerPuller]

I was stationed at Schwab for 18 months.

TP

[Ratamacue]

I was stationed at Schwab for 18 months.

TP

There's a Recon unit stationed there, right?

[Identity31690]

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Col. Kenneth F. McKenzie, Jr., Commanding Officer of the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit, discusses the new M-16A4 service rifle with a Marine from Battalion Landing Team 1st Bn., 6th Marines at Ft. A.P. Hill, Virginia. The 22nd MEU was at Ft. A.P. Hill conducting nearly a month of field training alongside MEU Service Support Group 22.
Photo by: Lance Cpl. Jemssy Alvarez

Is this guy a designated marksman or something? Or can you just customize your rifle however you want?

[rob]

thats one of the things about the a4. they adopted it with an acog and a bunch of other nice bits, all for 1000 dollars per unit. the marines have some real good bargan hunting abilities. the scope alone can cost us civis a grand.

but the guy above appears to be a dm. there where a bunch of rifle bought and issued in that configuration. the marines claim it is the most accurate 5.56 wepaon issued to any military force.

[Operation Ivy]

Does the A4 have any big advantages over the A2

[Vance]

Does the A4 have any big advantages over the A2
Removable carrying handle, among other small things...

[SILENT SCOPE]

Those Marines were damn smart for sticking with an 'A2 type weapon. They haven't run into all those under-power problems the M4s are reported having. The M16 A4 is defiantly my new favorite woot


thats one of the things about the a4. they adopted it with an acog and a bunch of other nice bits, all for 1000 dollars per unit. the marines have some real good bargan hunting abilities. the scope alone can cost us civis a grand.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you get an ACOG in the USMC if you are an 'expert marksman'? I remember picking that up somewhere, I think it was my buddy in the USMC who told me. (But he uses the M240, and no M16 has **** on that ;))


Does the A4 have any big advantages over the A2


Removable carrying handle, among other small things...


Umm don't forget the RAS system!

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?

[chauncy republicans]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?
Because they're the Army...

[AVZ]

i don#t know why the Marines use M16A4.

It's said because of it's range. But it#s still 5,56mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cantbeli:

But today u need a short carbine for MOUT ops and you take some heavier caliber rifles with you when you need more range. I would go with M4A1's and some 7,62mm for better urban fighting capability.
It doesn't look very handy when Marines operate in urban teerrain with their long M16A4. It takes too long etc..


So I don't get it.

i don#t know why the Marines use M16A4.

It's said because of it's range. But it#s still 5,56mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cantbeli:

But today u need a short carbine for MOUT ops and you take some heavier caliber rifles with you when you need more range. I would go with M4A1's and some 7,62mm for better urban fighting capability.
It doesn't look very handy when Marines operate in urban teerrain with their long M16A4. It takes too long etc..


So I don't get it.

Each Marine does carry an m1 right?

[Ratamacue]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?

They do. Go look at pictures of the 3rd and 4th Infantry Divisions in Iraq.


i don#t know why the Marines use M16A4.

It's said because of it's range. But it#s still 5,56mm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But today u need a short carbine for MOUT ops and you take some heavier caliber rifles with you when you need more range. I would go with M4A1's and some 7,62mm for better urban fighting capability.
It doesn't look very handy when Marines operate in urban teerrain with their long M16A4. It takes too long etc..


So I don't get it.

The M16 may be a little long and cumbersome for MOUT, but the Marines haven't really seemed to have any huge problems with that. The M16 it plenty accurate at range as well; Marines train to shoot out to 500 meters with it. In today's combat, 500 meters of relative accuracy is plenty. My opinion is that their should replace their M16's with 6.8mm uppers, but I don't really see that happening.

[cut]

Am I the only one that can't see the pics?

[rob]

but i still think they should have went with the a3 instead.

but i still think they should have went with the a3 instead.

What's the difference between A1,A2,A3, and A4?

[Fox2]

What's the difference between A1,A2,A3, and A4?

A1 - Old M16 with A1 sights, etc. Full auto select fire.

A2 - Newer M16, with new sights that include both elevation and windage. 3-round burst select fire.

A3 - M16A2 with full-auto select fire, flattop rail receiver, and most in the military inventory are fitted with the rail interface system.

A4 - Same as A3, but with 3-round burst select fire.

I believe those are the differences. Those with more gun know-how, please correct me if needed.

[MVSpartan117]

A1 vietnam era m-16, full auto
A2 modern, used my most infantry, 3 round burst
A3 modern, not fielded, removable carrying handle reviealing picitanny rail, full auto
A4 modern, removable carrying handle reviealing picitanny rail, 3 round burst.


I think I'm right :oops:

[MVSpartan117]

damn, you beat my to it

[Fox2]

A3 and A4s are fielded, I believe. As we can see in the pics on the first post :D

[Ratamacue]

A3 and A4s are fielded, I believe. As we can see in the pics on the first post :D

I'm pretty sure that the US Military has only purchased A4's.

[MVSpartan117]

oops, I copied and pasted the A4 line, I meant to delete they were fielded.


I thought they didnt field any A3s....

[[AFSOC]]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?
Because they're the Army...


ACtually the US ARMY does have the A4...

My friend in the 4th Infantry Division uses the A4.

[crazyman]

from what ive seen/heard, it looks like heavy army divisions use primarily the 'A4, whereas light divisions tend towards the M4 series. this isnt always true, and there are still plenty of M16A2's out there...mostly reserve units. takes a long time to replace a million weapons.

[Uninen]

but i still think they should have went with the a3 instead.

What's the difference between A1,A2,A3, and A4?

Correct me if im wrong..

The M16A1 is the basic (early Nam) rifle with some minor mods (like the "bolt closer"..), A2 has new fore handgrip and better rear sight and has 3 round burt in place of full automatic.. and the only difference between A3 and A4 is that another has 3 burst and other is full automatic, and they both have the removable carrying handle and rail "system"..

[Identity31690]

Actually, if you go to the Colt website, they have M16A4 models with full automatic fire capability.

AVAILABLE MODELS
RO901 : Flat top, Safe/Semi/Full Auto
RO905 : Flat top, Safe/Semi/Burst
RO701 : Fixed handle, Safe/Semi/Full Auto
RO705 : Fixed handle, Safe/Semi/Burst

M16A4 Specifications Page (http://www.colt.com/mil/M16_2.asp)

[Operation Ivy]

My opinion is that their should replace their M16's with 6.8mm uppers, but I don't really see that happening.

Yea i wouldnt mind that either :hug: but eventually we'll all have M8's and hopefully they'll make that 6.8 :D

[rob]

well right now i think it is more likely that we will see m4 6.8 uppers then the xm8. but things can change.

[Operation Ivy]

well right now i think it is more likely that we will see m4 6.8 uppers then the xm8. but things can change.

wouldnt we also change the M16 upper's instead of just the M4?

[rob]

well right now i think it is more likely that we will see m4 6.8 uppers then the xm8. but things can change.

wouldnt we also change the M16 upper's instead of just the M4?

problyi have no clue

[Yard Ape]

A1 vietnam era m-16, full auto
A2 modern, used my most infantry, 3 round burst
A3 modern, not fielded, removable carrying handle reviealing picitanny rail, full auto
A4 modern, removable carrying handle reviealing picitanny rail, 3 round burst. Any idea why the M16 has not incorporated the M4 lower reciever through its generational developments? Newest iterations of the colapsable but include more than just two locking positions, so you have a colapsable butt & a butt that can be adjusted (in fixed increments) to shooter comfort.

[rob]

i think the gi stock has 4 positions for the butt stock

[Yard Ape]

i think the gi stock has 4 positions for the butt stock
That is the one we use:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif

i think the gi stock has 4 positions for the butt stock
That is the one we use:
http://www.diemaco.com/images/c7a2.gif

I LIKE

[Pook2]

The Colt retractable stock has 4 positions, I dotn know about the newer ones shown on the Colt website.

Just to let everyone know, the Army is replacing the M16A2 with the M4A1 + SOPMOD kit. Yes it is strange, but they are getting rid of all the full sized M16A2's for deployments and replacing them with the M4A1.

[TacoDelRio]

I didn't care much for the M16A4. I still like the M4A1 more. The A4 I used was accurate, but it still felt like too big a rifle for such a small cartridge.

Any of you guys have experience with A4's? I want to see if they all have the same problems/advantages.

DB

[Uncle Sam]

M16A4

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M4A1

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/M4a1.gif


I like the M4. I was in the 82nd and we got issued these at the end of 1996.

[NcDeuce]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?
Because they're the Army...

Proven wrong once again fancypants

[brachialstun]

You tend to see mech units using the A2s and A4s while light infantry units stick with the M4.

I prefer the M4 over the A2 anyday of the week.

Also the M4 drops 50 meters of range compared to the full sized variants.

[Jack Mehoff]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?
I saw pictures of a 1st Cavalry Divsion soldiers used M16A4 in Iraq.

[Ratamacue]

Why doesn't the Army use the M16 A4?
I saw pictures of a 1st Cavalry Divsion soldiers used M16A4 in Iraq.

In all the pictures I've seen, all of the heavy divisions (3rd, 4th ID, etc.) were carrying M16's.

[Whisper_44]

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found this

[Identity31690]

Does anyone know who makes the Marine M16A4/M4s?

[Ratamacue]

Does anyone know who makes the Marine M16A4/M4s?

I think it's Fabrique Nationale, but it could be Colt.

[Michael RVR]

I think someone mentioned that all the new M16's are being made by FN, though Colt still has the M4 patent, so are producing that.

Also, on what you were saying on the other page, IIRC the -A1 has a 1-12" twist in the barrel, all the -A2 and later had 1-7".

Why US forces didnt go the way of the canadians and produce a long barrel with a collapsable stock i dont know. :slap: