Portugal/War in Africa

[Lancero]

Just a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vurLtLNefg

And a website with documentaries (in french)

http://ultramar.terraweb.biz/videos_manuelsardinha.htm

[Get_It]

Some photos:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/F-84_Portugues.jpg/400px-F-84_Portugues.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:F-84_Portugues.jpg)

Portuguese Air Force F-84 Thunderjet at Luanda Air Base, Angola
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Js-municiamento_f-84.jpg/400px-Js-municiamento_f-84.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Js-municiamento_f-84.jpg)

An Portuguese Air Force F-84 Thunderjet being loaded with amunition in the 60s, at Luanda Air Base. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/AssaltonaMatadaSanga....jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:AssaltonaMatadaSanga....jpg)

Portuguese Alouette III in Angola http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Alouette_III_fazendo_uma_evacua%C3%A7%C3%A3o_sanit%C3%A1ria.jpg/400px-Alouette_III_fazendo_uma_evacua%C3%A7%C3%A3o_sanit%C3%A1ria.jpg (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Alouette_III_fazendo_uma_evacua%C3%A7%C3%A3o_sanit%C3%A1ria.jpg)

Portuguese Alouette III during a medivac mission in Guiné
Some websites with more photos: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Guerra_do_Ultramar
http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/

Best regards.

[Hellfish]

Great pics and vids!

[ar15]

May i inquire as to what the war was over

[siberian tiger]

May i inquire as to what the war was over

a military coup in 25 April 1974 put down the fascist regime.

[Skaman]

Angola has been twisted by conflict for a near half century. The lusaphone colonies of Mozambique, Angola, São Tomé and Príncipe, Cape Verde, and Guinea-Bissau were some of the last African states to receive independence. Angola, stirred by the decolonization movements of much of Africa in the early 1960’s fought their own “bush- war” - an attempt to destabilize the colonial administration and create a sovereign African state. With the Portuguese overseers disposed, the spoils of war were grabbed by the respective ideological entities of the cold war polemic. East Bloc and Western funded movement’s provoked a destructive civil war, each “popular movement” fighting for control of the newly independent Angola. The respective powers of the USSR, S.A, and USA sought to prop up a puppet government compatible with foreign policy and ideological hegemony.


• the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola (MPLA), with a base among the mixed-race intelligentsia of Luanda, and links to the Soviet Union and the Eastern bloc;

• the National Liberation Front of Angola (FNLA), with an ethnic base in the Bakongo region of the north and links to the United Statess and the Mobutu regime in Zaïree; and

• the National Union for the Total Independence of Angola (UNITA), led by Jonas Savimbi with an ethnic and regional base in the Ovimbundu heartland in the center of the country, and supported by the United States, apartheid South Africa and several other African leaders.

[thatguy96]

May i inquire as to what the war was over
It was over what has been described as Portoguese dictator Antonio Salazar's outdated mecantile worldview, that still had colonies integral to the Portuguese economy. Keeping Angola as part of Portugal became a costly and unpopular move, as Portugal, if I remember correctly, became the last nation in Western Europe to fight a large scale conflict in an attempt to mainain a colonial holding.

[ar15]

Interesting

[ar15]

very interesting, and thank you

[thatguy96]

Also, to connect things, as Siberian Tiger already mentioned, a coup that deposed the military dictatorship, also directly led to the decision to end hostilities, and then as Skaman noted, post-colonial Angola has not fared well in avoiding conflict.

[Boina verde]

Also, to connect things, as Siberian Tiger already mentioned, a coup that deposed the military dictatorship, also directly led to the decision to end hostilities, and then as Skaman noted, post-colonial Angola has not fared well in avoiding conflict.

thatguy96, just a note, the dictatorial regime wasn’t a military one. The dictator of that time was in fact a college teacher.

[javar22]

thatguy96, just a note, the dictatorial regime wasn’t a military one. The dictator of that time was in fact a college teacher.

Hello,

this is my first post in mp.net...and i´m glad i finally decided to join :)

i would just like to add a small, pretty much uncovered, yet very important detail on this remark by "Boina verde": the regime wasn´t the regular military dictatorial regime, and yes Oliveira Salazar, and afterwards Marcelo Caetano, were simple people to begin with, but it was in fact in the military infrascture that one must see the basis of the said regime. In fact the Coronel´s of the 20´s managed to succeed in a military coup and, in a fresh point of view, decide it was better to give the government to the civilians, because year´s of failed revolutions were even more emprovishing the country.
However, the Army and the Navy had an importante - if not a sustainable one - role in the maintenance of the regime for the lenght of it´s 40 years of conservative right.

Sometime´s it´s difficult to get an in-depth view on state and political history of this particular country. (not saying that my view is profund...:) )
sory if it was lengthy, and excuse my poor english.

Good morning to all.

[Lancero]

Some more random pics

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8062/dscf08152jh.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/1391/aliimocambique17sz.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_97.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/Dragoes-Angola_02.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_00.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_36.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_39.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_69.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_72.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_73.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_78.jpg


http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_77.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_80.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_84.jpg

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_88.jpg


http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_90.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Embarque.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Buscadearmadilhas.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Js-municiamento_f-84.jpg/800px-Js-municiamento_f-84.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Desfiledo10deJunhonamarginaldeLuanda.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/MatasdorioOnzo.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Sempreatentos...aoperigo%21.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5e/AssaltonaMatadaSanga....jpg


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/DA25.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a1/23-1961-ReconquistaBeiraBaixa.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA06.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA08.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA15.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA18.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA20.jpg


http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA23.jpg


http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA26.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA27.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA30.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA32.jpg


http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA37.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA38.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA40.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA41.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA42.jpg

[Lancero]

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM01.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM02.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM03.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM04.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM05.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM07.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM08.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM10.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM16.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM21.jpg


http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM30.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM31.jpg


http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM36.jpg

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FM37.jpg

[Karo]

Thanks, nice pics!

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA26.jpg

Nice machine gun! p-)

[Ironsight06]

Great pics, thanks!

[Boina verde]

All the pics they show the AR-10, are pics of the Portugueses Paras.
Great pics Lancero!

[Dark Avenger]

Thanks, nice pics!

http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA26.jpg

Nice machine gun! p-)
At first I though it might be a Solothurn MG30, but the stock and bipod made me reconsider; it is now almost positively identifies as an MG13 http://www.dasheer.org.uk/machine_guns.htm

[Wamba]

GREAT PICS!!! Thanks for sharing!

Are they using US made BAR magazine pouches?
http://espacoetereo.no.sapo.pt/FA38.jpg

[Boina verde]

Don't know, but they use Ar-10, so it may be possible that it locks that way.

[Lancero]

Are they using US made BAR magazine pouches?


Can't tell...

Here's another pic

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_37.jpg

[Lancero]

At first I though it might be a Solothurn MG30, but the stock and bipod made me reconsider; it is now almost positively identifies as an MG13 [/URL]




The MG13 was a German light machine-gun produced from 1930 to 1935. It was chambered for the 7.92 mm Mauser cartridge which it took from a 75-round saddle drum magazine and fired at a rate of 650 rounds per minute. The MG13 went into service with the German army, but was withdrawn when the MG34 became available, they were then refurbished and sold to Portugal who used them until the 1950s.


http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/cgi-bin/res.pl?keyword=MG13&offset=0 (http://www.dasheer.org.uk/machine_guns.htm)


The MG13 was a light machinegun constructed by rebuilding the old Dreyse gun left over after WW1. Used 7.92 x 57 mm Mauser shells, weight 24 lbs, 25 shot detachable side mounted box magazine, 650 rpm. Folding tubular metal stock with padded brace, metal bipod, carrying handle.When the superior MG34 became available in 1934 it replaced the MG13, which was thereafter sold to Portugal, who named it the M38, and utilized it until the late 1940 's.
[URL]http://www.military-collections.com/weapons.html


Used machineguns in África:

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_48.jpg
MADSEN, m/930/41

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_50.jpg
BREDA, m/938

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_52.jpg
DREYSE, m/938

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_53.jpg
STEYR, m/938

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_54.jpg
MG-42

http://www.viriatus.com/images/GU_55.jpg
HK-21, m/968

source: viriatus.com

[Artic Fusion]

All the pics they show the AR-10, are pics of the Portugueses Paras.
Great pics Lancero!

Yeah I was wondering what weapon was that...then I remembered our Airborne use a different weapon than the rest of the army.

AR-10...its almost like an M-16 rifle. It has an ironsight, the G3 doesnt.

[siberian tiger]

Yeah I was wondering what weapon was that...then I remembered our Airborne use a different weapon than the rest of the army.

AR-10...its almost like an M-16 rifle. It has an ironsight, the G3 doesnt.

But the paratroopers only used the AR-10 in Angola, because in Mozambique and Guiné they used the G-3.

[Paulinski]

Great pics - those are some really ugly choppers thought

[Artic Fusion]

But the paratroopers only used the AR-10 in Angola, because in Mozambique and Guiné they used the G-3.

I said our modern army didnt refer to the ultramar one...although i admit i didnt know of those theather difrerences.

Currently airborne use a SiG rifle if im not mistaken...

[exarmyguard]

I didn't know they had the AR-10 rifle in the Ultramar wars.

[Lancero]

Currently airborne use a SiG rifle if im not mistaken...

It´s the Galil 5,56mm.
The SIG SG 543 is in 'moderate' use with the comandos and special operations units.

[kingscarbine]

Most photos don't show up or is it my PC?

[NEFAS]

Old post, the photos aren't hosted anymore.