Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

[HELEX]

Because Im always hearing the US are helping the People of the world in a selfless way and only wanting their best....
So why has the Majority of the countrys a crititical view against, and some States a searing hate against America.

Opinions? :lol:

[TriggerPuller]

Majority? Once again you POS trying to start crap!!
FYI Deutschland can suck my ****!!!

TP

Come to think of it I would hate the US also if they kicked my sorry ass.......TWICE!!!!!!!!! Loser why are you even here?

I dont hide behind my PC if you want some beatch!!

[HELEX]

Majority? Once again you POS trying to start crap!!

So how many People live on this Planet? rofl

[Tengu]

Come to think of it I would hate the US also if they kicked my sorry That is kind of funny :lol: . Its times like this i am glad my family killed lots of nazi basterds.

Btw the majority don't hate americans just in your bombed little world.

[citizen-k]

Jealousy? ;)

Unless you are a terror supporter nation / have a crazy psycho mass murderer undemocratic leader, you have no reason to hate the US...

[HELEX]

Well, I dont care about that because Im not a Nazi.
And once again you are stating the US did it alone, but hey reading books is not cool for you.... :lol:

I asked about Opinions about how do you think the World is seeing the US, and I didnt ask for cheap BS.

[Rantanplan]

Q:Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

A:Because this ;)


Wow, I can see that the majority of members here are red diaper baby pinko commie liberal left democrats. I spit on your face.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11537&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

[Tengu]

I asked about Opinions about how do you think the World is seeing the US, and I didnt ask for cheap BS.Because there are enough thread where you can start that discussion, no need to act your age and start another.

[Shake n Bake]

Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?


http://home.comcast.net/~unclemookie/no.gif

[HELEX]

Because there are enough thread where you can start that discussion, no need to act your age and start another.

But this here is a dedicated thread for that....

I want to know what right wing americans think is the reason they are not loved by everyone in this World.

[citizen-k]

Because there are enough thread where you can start that discussion, no need to act your age and start another.

But this here is a dedicated thread for that....

I want to know what right wing americans think is the reason they are not loved by everyone in this World.

Why should they be loved by everyone? Are they in a "nationality affection contest"?

They want to be stronger and richer, just like Europe wanted 300 years ago... Lets thank them they are not using the same methods, shall we? ;)

[duck]

It's plain cool to dislike and hate America. It can get you new friends, free booze and willing women. Hate sells books, newspapers, magazines, movies...

Hating is fun...and easy. And Germany has so much expertise in the subject, wonderful.

[KaraBenNemsi]

*cough* Generalizations *cough*





:roll:

[HELEX]

Yes, for example typical american generalization is one good Reason. :lol:

[Macs.]

Sorry, but starting a war which was build on lies, doesn't make America very popular.

[George W. Bush]

The thing is, we don't care.

[Haiw]

Will you still not care when another plane hits a building? :roll:

[HELEX]

The thing is, we don't care.

Yea, another good point. They simply dont care about what is going on....

[mocking_loudly_died]

I hate every one equally, thus I will now destroy the universe!
No....I'm to tired, I'll do it tomorrow.

[Rantanplan]

I hate every one equally, thus I will now destroy the universe!
No....I'm to tired, I'll do it tomorrow.

Does this include the Bizzaro World?

[mocking_loudly_died]

I hate every one equally, thus I will now destroy the universe!
No....I'm to tired, I'll do it tomorrow.

Does this include the Bizzaro World?

Possibly.

[Rantanplan]

Bummer!

[Midav]

From personal experience, there are a lot of misconceptions about the US.

Also, it doesn't matter if one's own politicians make mistakes or economy goes south or problems arise.

Most can be blamed on the Americans, if true or false.

A lot of individuals have the mindset that by having a good time, be it either eating lunch at work, or hit a bar with people, is to sit around and complain about America.

That's just like how we used to debate about our favorite cars in first grade and argued as to why our car was better, then someone mentioned another brand and everyone turned on him lol

As it goes, when they direct and concentrate their anger at the US, that just means someone else is being left alone.... for now ;)

[HELEX]

First Intelligent contribution in this Topic done by an American, anyone else? :lol:

[mocking_loudly_died]

First Intelligent contribution in this Topic done by an American, anyone else? :lol:

It’s a tad pompous of you attempting to get Americans to justify their existence or even apologize for it. You obviously have a disdain for America because they are the big boy on the block. The average US citizen isn't responsible for any perceived *evil* foreign policy. I think it's about time the rest of the world takes the massive chip of it's shoulder and starts worrying about their own damn countries.

Ignoring you're own faults is so much easier though.

[Haiw]

I say we invade Australia. That way we can vent the entire world's anger on an old penal colony.

[Ichhabe]

It is a competive world out there. And it is always easy to hate the one that is on top.
I am quite sure that when Great Britain was at is peek as an Empire it was not that populare.

And "hating" a country can also serve other causes than just "jealousy. It can take away the focus from internal problems.
Good example is the Argentinian junta that had a lot of problems in the early 80's. How could they fix their problems without going even more medieval on their citizens? Well, the Falkland Islands was just out the coast. And we all know how the Argentinians has a hard on for that island. Occupation followed. Junta loved by everyone, problem solved.

In some Muslim countries it is the same. Why focus on internal problems about giving it's citizen good enough education, housing, electricity, pure water and so on. All this cost a lot of money, and educated people are smarter people. And smarter people get power. And noone like's to share power.

Have anyone seen the report from North Korea where the schools are using the Diary of Anne Frank as a propaganda tool, and how that book make's it even easier to hate the Nazi-Americans. It was made by Dutch TV. And trust me on this; Any American seeing that report will lose his nights sleep. Never have I seen any crueler use of propaganda. The Nazi's in Germany, the Communist party in the Soviet Union was amateurs compared to the propaganda machinery of North Korea.
(Good luck, when that day comes: to re-educate the youth of North Korea.)

So there you go. Giving your people propaganda serves their porpouses of staying in power. If the propaganda is lies or half truths... Who cares as long as they stay in power.

[HELEX]

Ignoring you're own faults is so much easier though.

This exactely is what this Topic is all about. Americans are the World Champions of ignoring their own Faults. :|

[mocking_loudly_died]

Ignoring you're own faults is so much easier though.

This exactely is what this Topic is all about. Americans are the World Champions of ignoring their own Faults. :|

I'm glad you have taken the time to interview all the citizens of America to come to such a broad conclusion.

[Rilence]

Because Im always hearing the US are helping the People of the world in a selfless way and only wanting their best....
So why has the Majority of the countrys a crititical view against, and some States a searing hate against America.

Opinions? :lol:

here we go again :roll: why cant you guys ingnore his threads?

[farmgirl]

Does anyone have any big plans for the weekend?

[HELEX]

Does anyone have any big plans for the weekend?

I'll leave in a few hours and be back on Monday, but dont tell anybody. I dont want them to feel safe or something. ;)

[Fargin]

Yes... I'm gonna hate America all weekend and maybe go burn my bra on sunday.

...or just get drunk. p-)

[farmgirl]

Yes... I'm gonna hate America all weekend and maybe go burn my bra on sunday.

...or just get drunk. p-)

*covers ears* la la la la I can't hear you

Do you have a bra to burn??? p-)


just be careful.... mixing fire and alcohol could be a dangerous thing.... ;)

[MolliG]

I might go get some Easter Eggs tomorrow (for like the first time in bloody years), gonna get a big one to cheer up my Mum. :hug: :P

[XASA]

My weekend will consist of drinking American Coca Cola, eating at an American McDonalds for lunch, seeing a good American movie, than going to a party where I will listen to American rock and roll and hip-hop music while wearing American fashions. I will also use English as a primary means of communicating with different nationalities. Gee, sounds like a typical weekend in Germany, too. Perhaps being overwhelmed by another country's culture would make me hateful.

On another note, when I was stationed in Berlin in the 1960s, the Germans loved Americans (especially the Frauleins) as well as the Brits, because we kept the big bad Russians away. I guess if I had to depend on other countries to protect me at one time, I might be resentful.

Other than that, I think Idioten like Helex just hate because they don't have any thing else to do with their lives. Usually, if you are happy with what you are doing, you don't have time to hate others ;) Helex, get over yourself. You think your animosity makes others feel uncomfortable but you are really just a pest, a whiner and a distraction. Grow up.

[farmgirl]

Nicely said, Xasa.... and have a great weekend! ;)

[XASA]

Thanks Farmgirl. I am about to go shopping and buy a bunch of American products. Enjoy your weekend, too :P

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get your own language and your done, apparently, when US started out they voted on which language should be the official language, english came first obviously, and german came a close second. What a different world it might have been.

Back to the topic, there are a huge amount of people that dislike the US across the world, not really do to jealousy but because the US does what it wants (a la British Empire) which is fair enough, but at the same time it claims not to be. As well as that people don't like being told what to do by someone they don't think has that right. That can't be helped though because the world would probably be worse off under anyone else. The top dog is always the biggest bully and the little people are never going to like that.

The US is doing a great job, but that doesn't mean the government doesn't act like a **** towards little "crapholes" (as someone called Sri Lanka in another thread).

[Macs.]

My weekend will consist of drinking American Coca Cola, eating at an American McDonalds for lunch, seeing a good American movie, than going to a party where I will listen to American rock and roll and hip-hop music while wearing American fashions. I will also use English as a primary means of communicating with different nationalities. Gee, sounds like a typical weekend in Germany, too. Perhaps being overwhelmed by another country's culture would make me hateful.

Yeah, you are driving with your car (which was invented by germans) to McDonalds and eating a Hamburger (which was invented by germans) and french fries (lol).

You wear jeans (invented by Levi Strauss, a german) and sport shoes (invented by Adolf Dassler (adidas), a german).

On the party, you are listening to songs which are downloaded MP3s(invented by germans), and drink beer (invented by germans). Later you call (telephone, invented by a german) a taxi because you are drunk. On the next day you have a headache and take a aspirin (inveted by germans).

Then you watch a american movie. (made with german technology like from Jena Optik (Carl Zeiss) etc.)

Perhaps being overwhelmed by another country's culture would make me hateful, too.

P.S. the first freely programmable computer was invented by a german, too. (Konrad Zuse)

[Fox2]

Perhaps being overwhelmed by another country's culture would make me hateful, too.

P.S. the first freely programmable computer was invented by a german, too. (Konrad Zuse)

If that is the case, then why is it that no one in America hates Germany? ;)

I think we all know the proper question that must be asked...

Why does the world hate the French?

p-)

Just kidding, guys.

[cut]

on a serious note I don't think the world does hate the french, the US is the only place that dislikes them that much, and over here in the Europe there have always been rivalries between countries, but that is about the extent of it.

[Fox2]

on a serious note I don't think the world does hate the french, the US is the only place that dislikes them that much, and over here in the Europe there have always been rivalries between countries, but that is about the extent of it.

The first step is denial.

:lol:

[XASA]

What's sad about these type of threads is that they start xenophobic flame wars, which seems to be the intent of our friends across the Atlantic.

Thanks for the update on German inventions. I'll remember that the next time I'm sitting at a Stammtisch singing "Bier Hier and watching Fussball on television with my [/i]Kamaraden[i], which won't be any time soon ;)

Right now bad mouthing America is the chic thing to do. Intelligent people can differentiate between American policy and American people; however, they don't seem be any intelligent Germans posting here. It seems we do have posters who can't get over the U.S. being the sole superpower in the world today. I wonder how other countries in the Roman empire felt about Rome? Believe me, it is much better being on top and being hated than being on the bottom and being loved.

What [i]some[i] Europeans fail to realize is that America is made up of many nationalities, races and creeds; in fact, there is no other country with so many different people that get along so well with each other. Sure, we have our problems, like a large family, we often argue with one another, and some Americans even hate other Americans, which is why we really don't get too upset when someone from another country gets mad at us.

Unfortunately, there are Americans who still hate the Germans because of two World Wars the Holacaust and simply for being arrogant.

I'll just leave you with this thought: Winston Churchill once said a German was either at your throat or at your feet. It's only after reading the posts of some of our German contributors did I feel that statement rang true. ;)

[cut]

on a serious note I don't think the world does hate the french, the US is the only place that dislikes them that much, and over here in the Europe there have always been rivalries between countries, but that is about the extent of it.

The first step is denial.

:lol:

you're a ****head

you gonna deny that?

;)

[duck]

Soon we will all depend on China anyway, better start to build up sterotypes in good time.

[Fox2]

Okay, I'm serious now...Really, I've had my morning caffeine. :)

Nicely said, XASA.


I don't think Americans are afraid to admit their own faults. We know they are there, and infact we are our own worst critics. Every American is a different American, with different beliefs, different personality, different heritage. But most of us can see past our differences to realize we are a nation united in the values of our forefathers.

The reason it is the trend at the moment to "hate" America is because we are at the moment, the only superpower. Our influence is wide, and that bothers people. When every other story on the nightly news is about "America this, America that" people get angry that their country is not more influential. It is only natural.

It seems that this blind anti-Americanism has surged ever since the war in Iraq. But it seems to me that it's not just about the war in Iraq. Iraq was just the drop that set the pot overflowing. Sometimes putting the blame on others is easier than answering to ourselves. As the biggest kid on the block, we are the easiest target.

As for this American, I don't hate any of our European friends across the pond. I dislike the fact that many Europeans choose to hop on the bandwagon and party with the hate crowd, but that is their choice. It stems from many things within themselves, their culture, and their media. But this American hopes that someday we will be friends again.

Have a good one.

[Fox2]

you're a ****head

you gonna deny that?

;)

No, but I will say that chicks dig it. :lol:

[cut]

Right now bad mouthing America is the chic thing to do.

"right now" meaning how long?


Intelligent people can differentiate between American policy and American people; however, they don't seem be any intelligent Germans posting here. It seems we do have posters who can't get over the U.S. being the sole superpower in the world today.

being the superpower is like being the king, people don't like you if you don't represent them, there were many good kings, but not everyone like them. And if the US is the king (or queen, motherland?) then the West is the aristocracy.



I wonder how other countries in the Roman empire felt about Rome? Believe me, it is much better being on top and being hated than being on the bottom and being loved.


Just like it's much better being the dictator than the kurds? ;)



What [i]some[i] Europeans fail to realize is that America is made up of many nationalities, races and creeds; in fact, there is no other country with so many different people that get along so well with each other. Sure, we have our problems, like a large family, we often argue with one another, and some Americans even hate other Americans, which is why we really don't get too upset when someone from another country gets mad at us.

Yes there is a large mix but European countries are no different, and there is still a majority of white christians in the country, which is why the troubles have been limited. It is possible to have all the nationalities and ethnic groups in the world and yet still have a 99% white christian population, it means little.


ethnic groups: white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000)


Protestant 56%, Roman Catholic 28%, Jewish 2%, other 4%, none 10% (1989)

source: CIA FACTBOOK



I'll just leave you with this thought: Winston Churchill once said a German was either at your throat or at your feet. It's only after reading the posts of some of our German contributors did I feel that statement rang true. ;) Churchill said that while at war with the germans do you feel like you are at war with the germans?

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I don't think Americans are afraid to admit their own faults. We know they are there, and infact we are our own worst critics. Every American is a different American, with different beliefs, different personality, different heritage. But most of us can see past our differences to realize we are a nation united in the values of our forefathers.

I have to disagree with you there (not for the sake of it, please understand). I have to say that I have been exposed to a lot of American and French media (I speak fluent french), both of them are very nationalistic in comparison with British media, putting down other countries (sacreligious in the UK) and focus on all things american/french, although often I wish we were more like that, on the other side of the coin we admit our own faults much more than the US/France.


The reason it is the trend at the moment to "hate" America is because we are at the moment, the only superpower. Our influence is wide, and that bothers people. When every other story on the nightly news is about "America this, America that" people get angry that their country is not more influential. It is only natural. I agree but they are not angry that their country is not influencial but that the US is so influencial, unfairly so. And yes it's normal. As for us europeans it's more frustrating coming second than third.


It seems that this blind anti-Americanism has surged ever since the war in Iraq. But it seems to me that it's not just about the war in Iraq. Iraq was just the drop that set the pot overflowing. Sometimes putting the blame on others is easier than answering to ourselves. As the biggest kid on the block, we are the easiest target.

The "anti-americanism" ( I don't think it's blind, that's casting an aspertion that these people are not doing what you would in their situation) seemed to become more apparent to americans when they sought approval for the war in Iraq, but it has been there for much longer.

The people of the West have a very short-term memory compared to say, the middle east when it comes to international events. Many palestinians have thought badly of the British for the last century for promising them palestines (and promising it to the jews at the same time) to get them onboard to take out the Ottoman empire. As it turns out the Ottoman empire although pretty anarchic would have meant a much more stable middle east (although there wouldn't have been an israel)



As for this American, I don't hate any of our European friends across the pond. I dislike the fact that many Europeans choose to hop on the bandwagon and party with the hate crowd, but that is their choice. It stems from many things within themselves, their culture, and their media. But this American hopes that someday we will be friends again.


I was born on the bandwagon. :P

for most europeans nothing has changed from before this whole iraq thing, it's the US that seems to be all shocked about it. All the french and germans did was disagree witht the war in Iraq, what's new? why does it make such a big effect in the US? Britain has very similar views as France but it was worth our while to join the war in Iraq. If France is not you're friend now, it has never been, and nor has the rest of Europe.

[XASA]

Pure semantics Cut, and your bright enough to know it.

I don't have time to take individual sentences out of context and comment on them. The point of this thread is hate. And the nationality of the person who started it is German. Am I the only one who feels a German lecturing another nationality on hate is insulting?

One could argue Germans need hate in their lives. It gives them something to live for. That is perhaps why Germany has been involved in wars since they were a nation. Germans have fought over religion, land, sucession and just pure out and out greed for centuries. How they mistreated those they vanquished is history. What they did to the Jews needs no words to describe the horror Germany introduced to the modern civilized world. Only after being devastated, pillaged and raped by the Soviet Union and the Allies, did peace become an option.

Now that Germany has recovered and become united--with the help of the West--it takes the high road in world politics, and for that they should be commended. By taking a stand against war in Iraq even at the risk of being shunned by the U.S. was morally courageous. Does that give Germany the right to "hate" us because our governments disagree on foreign policy? Or is it just the German psychology to turn a argument into hate, an emotion that can be easily manipulated so that internal issues, like a high unemployment rate, reunification and health care costs, aren't focused on by the masses?

Having said that, I think the German people are great. My first wife was from Berlin. I still have many German friends, and I have lived with and among Germans longer than you have lived among Americans. So forgive me if my low opinion of Helex doesn't agree with you. I don't dislike him because he is German. I dislike him because he doesn't like Americans. Should I sit back and agree with his idiotic rants? Helex is an attention whore, which has nothing to do with nationality. He probably gets more attention here then he does anywhere else by writing and starting sh**. If you agree with that reality, than you are no better than him.

[cut]

I see the confusion, I thought HELEX was french.

[ibstolidude]

It has become fashionable of late for news organizations and opinion researchers to fixate on the world's current view of the United States. We seem to be confronted weekly with another report, study, or survey purporting to demonstrate global distrust or dislike of America and Americans.


A recent opinion survey in the Mideast showed Arab attitudes toward the United States are at an all-time low, and, of course, we know what the French and Germans think of us. So how concerned should we be? In my opinion, not very.

Unjustified negative opinions of the United States are far from a new phenomenon. "Such is the destiny of a great power," says Fouad Ajami, professor of Middle Eastern studies at Johns Hopkins University. "We sit astride the world, we protect the world, and the world takes this protection and bemoans the protector." He also contends that we should not ignore the possibility that some of the recent polls may have been conducted by people who find it politically advantageous that the United States is more unpopular now in the post-Iraq-war era.

Whatever your opinion of weapons of mass destruction or regime change, ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein was a very good thing for Iraqis. And ridding Afghanistan of the Taliban and al Qaeda was a good thing for Afghans. The world is a better place today as a result of both actions.

In addition to ridding those two countries of dictatorial rule and terrorists, the U.S. government maintains, at some considerable expense to its taxpayers, forces in South Korea, Japan, Germany, and the United Kingdom. Nicholas Eberstadt, a foreign aid specialist from the American Enterprise Institute, says, "The United States is the major supporter of international security and peace. We do that not through foreign assistance but through our military budget, which is as large as the military budget of the next dozen or more countries combined."

Not only do we bear the role of global protector, but the generosity of the United States provides an incredible $11 billion in official government aid each year to developing nations, an amount that is going to increase steadily over the next several years. An additional $5 billion a year in aid has been promised from President Bush's Millennium Challenge Account. The United States is promising to provide between $10 billion and $15 billion over the next five years for the international AIDS initiative, and America is also a global leader in fighting tuberculosis and malaria. We contribute roughly $550 million a year to United Nations peacekeeping activities, and the United States is by far the largest contributor to the U.N.'s general fund. And the federal government also provides $12 billion each year to developing countries on top of its basic commitment.

U.S. foreign aid is also not limited to the official development aid that we provide each year. American foreign aid, including nongovernment sources such as corporations, foundations, individuals, and other official sources, totals an astonishing $60 billion a year.

The U.N. voting records are proof positive, however, that our generosity has never automatically translated into loyalty from other nations. A 1998 study of U.N. votes found 74 percent of U.S. foreign aid recipients voted against the United States a majority of the time. India, for example, received more than $143 million in U.S. aid but voted 80 percent of the time against the United States. And Egypt, which received more than $2 billion in foreign aid, the second-highest amount of any nation, voted against the United States 66 percent of the time.

No apologies. Providing the bulk of the U.N.'s budget and giving away billions of dollars in aid each year don't require an apology from Americans. We should feel pretty good about what this country has achieved and is accomplishing in the world. That's not to say that we can't improve. "I don't think that gratitude has ever been a historical hallmark of international relations," says Eberstadt. "One need look no further than the country of France to understand that. They were rescued twice by the United States in the past century." U.S. relations with France remain strained but are improving.

If you are still concerned over polls about the United States, consider one recently conducted by the German weekly Die Zeit that reveals one third of Germans under the age of 30 believe that the United States may have sponsored the attacks of September 11.

So what should the United States do about world opinion? I believe that the best answer is nothing. Fouad Ajami says that most of us are asking the wrong question, "We are unloved in foreign lands; what's wrong with us?" What they should be asking is, "We are unloved in foreign lands; what's wrong with them?"

[Jack Mehoff]

People hate Americans? Then why the **** everybody in the world wants to immigrate over here?

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if you can't beat them join them

[Trigger]

XASA & stoli, great responses.
However, this should have been the only post made in this entire thread:

Because Im always hearing the US are helping the People of the world in a selfless way and only wanting their best....
So why has the Majority of the countrys a crititical view against, and some States a searing hate against America.

Opinions? :lol:

[mustamato]

People hate Americans? Then why the f*** everybody in the world wants to immigrate over here?

I would like to study in US as well, just because it´s one of the few countries
in the world where I can understand what they say and where I can express
my self quite easily. I know that many from Sweden, and well Europe study
a year or two in USA, but very very few people stay there. The immigrants
seems to be mostly from third world countries, or well "second world" (eastern
Europe, Mexico and so forth).

[KaraBenNemsi]

*cough* Generalizations *cough*





:roll:

It'll never change..... :|

[XASA]

I thought he was German. If he is French, what I said about the Germans applies to him as well with the exception of the Holacaust, mass hysteria and not having been married to a French woman. ;) France's colonial history and its role in centuries of warfare makes it an unlikely champion of love and happiness.

I think the knee-jerk reaction some Americans had towards the French was because they consider them ungrateful for the many times America had assisted them in the past.

My father was one of the American soldiers who liberated France in 1944. He has told me many wonderful stories about the French. His favorite was the one where he said he could have *** with every women in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline. ;)

[Macs.]

A recent opinion survey in the Mideast showed Arab attitudes toward the United States are at an all-time low, and, of course, we know what the French and Germans think of us.

Well, you think you know of us because we didn't take part in the war against iraq.

For example, Spain had more people protesting against the war in iraq (the biggest amount of anti-war protesters), but spain did take part in the war, so why is no one bichting about the spanish people for hating the USA ?

[Fox2]

Good posts, guys. Even you, cut. :D

It's good that we can talk like adults here, and not act like children about such things.

EDIT: Spoke too soon.

[Trigger]

Because the Spaniards don't come here and spout bull**** like the Germans of late.

[Operation Ivy]

Other countries just wish they could be as cool as us :D ;)

[Jack Mehoff]

I thought he was German. If he is French, what I said about the Germans applies to him as well with the exception of the Holacaust, mass hysteria and not having been married to a French woman. ;) France's colonial history and its role in centuries of warfare makes it an unlikely champion of love and happiness.

I think the knee-jerk reaction some Americans had towards the French was because they consider them ungrateful for the many times America had assisted them in the past.

My father was one of the American soldiers who liberated France in 1944. He has told me many wonderful stories about the French. His favorite was the one where he said he could have *** with every women in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline. ;)

I hope they shaved

[Kitsune]

@xasa


The point of this thread is hate. And the nationality of the person who started it is German. Am I the only one who feels a German lecturing another nationality on hate is insulting?


It is about as insulting as any member of any other nation teaching you about hate.




One could argue Germans need hate in their lives.
Not anymore than you do.

[Operation Ivy]

Wow Kitsune that was your shortest post ever :P

[Macs.]

Because the Spaniards don't come here and spout bull**** like the Germans of late.

:roll: If you think so.

You don't even know if HELEX is german or french or whatever.

And btw, why don't you bitch about canadians, because dicimus (or however he is called) did post a lot of ****, too.

[Chasseur_Alpin]

His favorite was the one where he said he could have *** with every women in a family for a five gallon jerrycan of gasoline. ;)
Your country was never occuped, you don't know how Europeans suffered under the Nazi occupation (requisitions, raids, executions...)
After the war, the misery was terrible (and France was not the worst)

So don't judge plz.

[IDFM203]

I personally think that all this animosity towards the U.S. was there way before the Iraq invasion and it is just an excuse to latch onto by a lot as to why it has become more open now when in reality it was always there.


I will repost a post of mine from a thread by WARPIG titled How do you see the US? (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5206&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) I t was a while ago but I think it has alot of relevance to this discussion.

I at first was going to ignore this thread due to certain individuals who usually post unintelligent one liners but I see this thread has evolved with a lot of different posters and as such I feel it warrants a deeper discussion.




Before I go into this I am going to answer the post question in a very straight and unapologetic way.

How do you view the U.S?? Simple: Its the greatest nation on earth!!! Period.

Now of course as many of you know by now, I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it might be a bit surprising that I didn’t do whatever everyone else is doing here in praising their own nations and putting down the U.S. (more on that later) but I just feel that yes Israel is a great nation and it has achieved remarkable things but I feel that it is in a minuscule scale as to what the U.S. has achieved for the entire planet. Of course as a Jew I love and respect Israel but at the same time I am not blind and intellectually dishonest as a lot are here and as such the only reasonable and sane conclusion is to come up with the above answer.

I say this only after looking at the planet as a whole and how it has behaved and what are its values and virtues. The conclusion I came to is that the bar for that answer is actually pretty low. The world for the most part is a selfish and uncaring and ungrateful world where most everyone looks out for their own selfish interests. The world is also a very immoral world and where the negatives far outweigh the positives. As such the bar for the greatest isn’t a high one but rather a low one.

The U.S. is far from perfect. Yes it has acted in a lot of time out of its own self-interests. Yes it has made plenty mistakes. Yes it has committed at times wrongs that it should never have done. With all that said, it is the only country that I can think of that at the same time has done the reverse and has acted a lot of times out side of its sole interests, or even when acting for its sole interests it has also at the same time gone a step futher outside of it in a unselfish way, it has corrected many mistakes that others have committed, it has committed many “rights” which would never have happened if it were not for the benevolence of the U.S.

From that imperfect standpoint it deserves that mark. It is that bar which every nation looks up to (whether they admit it or not). Europe, Asia, south America, Canada, are all below that bar. Period.

I believe the world resents the U.S. not out of pure hate but out of jealousy. Europe especially. America represents what Europe could have been and should have been. They failed and failed miserably and it was the U.S. and not Europe that pushed ahead and has been a flicker of light in a dark world.

Lets not forget that all the peacekeeping that Europe or Canada points to as some sort of counter balance to the U.S. many goods, (which is their only major bright spots) is primarily due to the U.S. defending them in thus allowing those nations to not have massive armies in defense of thier own nations individually but to have their token ones(like Canada for example) in order to do those peace keeping jobs. It’s the U.S. military backing that has ended nazism and had stopped the spread of communism and has defeated it that has allowed these other nations to concentrate on peace keeping mission’s. It’s the U.S. presence, militarily and economically that has allowed Europe, Canada and Southeast Asia to be as prosperous as it is today.

I could go on and on but to summarise. I say the U.S. is the greatest nation from a low standpoint that the world is in. I say that for yes I recognise that the U.S. is imperfect and has made mistakes but all that does not negate the good that they have done and its that simple fact that puts them on top of anyone else in the world.

For me it all boils down to the simple fact is that the world is a better place with the U.S. existence then without it. And I cannot say that about any other country on this planet in terms of benifiting the entire planet.

On a personal note to some of the Americans that I have clashed with. While we perhaps don’t see eye to eye on everything, its to me much more irritating to hear your (wrong views in my opinion) views then anyone else's for with the Europeans or anyone else I don’t expect any better and I don’t have the same type of respect when it comes from them as I do to an American for in my view an American has earned the right to agree or disagree more so then anyone else due to their actual actions (be it good or bad) that they have done VS. The rest of the worlds inaction or negative ones which they are as or more guilty then the U.S. has ever done. So our disagreements is coming from a view of respect (I can only hope that its shared) and not out of any resentment or any jealousy or hatred.

To everyone else out I can only hope that you don’t make this into a falme war or make this personnal or even do the usual and go off topic and blab away about Israel simply because an Israeli posted his view’s here about the U.S. its tiring and disingenuous not to mention pretty lame by now and its and obvious tactic to one that has no constructive thought to add here.


Shalom to all :D

[Trigger]

Because the Spaniards don't come here and spout bull**** like the Germans of late.

:roll: If you think so.

You don't even know if HELEX is german or french or whatever.

And btw, why don't you bitch about canadians, because dicimus (or however he is called) did post a lot of ****, too.
Yah, I theenk soo. HELEX calls himself German.
I think my record of bitching about ducimus speaks for itself.
HELEX the self proclaimed German started this crap Macs. Why are you defending him?

[Macs.]

Because the Spaniards don't come here and spout bull**** like the Germans of late.

:roll: If you think so.

You don't even know if HELEX is german or french or whatever.

And btw, why don't you bitch about canadians, because dicimus (or however he is called) did post a lot of ****, too.
Yah, I theenk soo. HELEX calls himself German.
I think my record of bitching about ducimus speaks for itself.
HELEX the self proclaimed German started this crap Macs. Why are you defending him?

I don't defend HELEX, I defend my nationality because many ppl started bitching about germans.

[Jack Mehoff]

Because the Spaniards don't come here and spout bull**** like the Germans of late.

:roll: If you think so.

You don't even know if HELEX is german or french or whatever.

And btw, why don't you bitch about canadians, because dicimus (or however he is called) did post a lot of ****, too.
Yah, I theenk soo. HELEX calls himself German.
I think my record of bitching about ducimus speaks for itself.
HELEX the self proclaimed German started this crap Macs. Why are you defending him?




I don't defend HELEX, I defend my nationality because many ppl started bitching about germans.


awww....really?


Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

[Macs.]

awww....really?


Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

Yes, but this thread was started by HELEX and not by germany.

[bobdakilla]

hey HELEX ur gay

[Trigger]

awww....really?


Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

Yes, but this thread was started by HELEX and not by germany.
He started it.
He used a generalization about my entire country.
By doing that he set the national parameters of the discussion.
You wouldn't have to defend Germany if you would tell your fellow countryman to stop with the never-ending hate.

Look at 'sixgun'. Many Americans shut him up.

[Uncle Sam]

I don't they thay are bitching at Germans in general...

Every nation has the select few who are "Bad Apples", and well, quite frankly, they make everyone look bad.

[Maine Finn]

hey HELEX ur gay

How is this productive?


Because Im always hearing the US are helping the People of the world in a selfless way and only wanting their best....
So why has the Majority of the countrys a crititical view against, and some States a searing hate against America.

Opinions?

I don't think it's hate so much as it is a strong disagreement with how the Bush administration is handling the Iraq situation. I agree with the critical views part, but I don't understand completely where you're getting the "searing hate" bit. I mean, sure, certain elements of the Iraqi people "hate" Americans for being in their country, but I tend to think that they would be strongly resistant to any country who was in the same position of power.

My two bits on that, anyway.

~Emily

[Kitsune]

Perhaps Xasa has to be reminded that Germany has been a democracy for 55 years. Befor that there were 12 years dictatorship, before that 15 years democracy, before that 48 years monarchy.
The way I see it, Germany is not more at fault for WWI than Russia or even France and Great Britain. After these three nations alllied themselves the Germans feld cornered: If you corner someone you probably get a fight. And had there been a fair and just peace treaty after WWI and not something brutal like Versailles, had the young Weimarian Republic been treated as a friend and not as a pariah and had not Hitler been the first to whom the world showed their respect, there would not have been a WWII.


The question "Why so many people hate America?" is rubbish. I personally loath the Bush government. And I find their lies despicable. As much as I am astounded how many Americans still do not get it...but that does not make me "hate America".

I know for sure, that their are lots of Americans, who think about Bush like I do. And, since I know America very well, I know the diversity of its people. Many of them are great and friendly persons...some are not, some are even the arrogant, bigmouthed dullards that, according to cliche, are typical Americans. And it certainly raises my ire if such a guy tries to explain me how veryone on this planet EXCEPT Americans is a gut and spinless idiot (or tells nonsense "that the Germans need hate in their life"). But as I have experienced it, these are a minority. Most Americans know better. And assholes can be found in any country.

All in all the USA are a great country with for the most part great people and I enjoyed every of my stays there. (In fact I do not even "hate" Bush, in the sense of the word).


@Helex: Beginning such a thread is clear and present idiocy. There are enough flamewars around here, there is no need for additional arson.


I have to stop now..."Once upon a time in the West" is starting. ;)

[Kitsune]

Wow Kitsune that was your shortest post ever

No. That is.

:lol:

[Maine Finn]

Good point, Kitsune.

It's unfortunate that there appears to be so many "typical Americans" on this Forum that are determined to ruin it for the rest of us.

Although, I find that sometimes with these initially stupid threads, the more reasonable members post logical opinions and views and leave the idiot looking for an out-and-out flamewar wondering just what in the hell happened to the "hate".

But, as Tane Angle has already said, we would be best suited to ignore the Trolls and simply go about our business.

~Emily

[EvanL]

People hate Americans? Then why the f*** everybody in the world wants to immigrate over here?
America prides itself on being a land of opportunity. It is a land of opportunity. Not everybody wants to move there though. Peoiple are just as happy to move to Canada or the UK. In Canada we have a larger influx of immigrants per capita than the U.S.
In fact its one of the problems we are having. And do you know that ove rhalf of the immigrants in canada land in the U.S. first and then come to canada? Pretty interesting.
I think its stupid for people to say someone hates the states just because they disagree with the U.S. policies. I dont always agree with the U.S. but i dont hate it. There are friends. People who post stuff like Helex are just xenophobic. hes looking to start a flame war.

[XASA]

My, our friends across the oceans are a bit sensitive today. It seems whenever Americans defend their country with the same rhetoric that is used by those attacking it, their panties get in a wad ;)

Reminds me of the old Edward G. Robinson film, "Little Caesar," where he says: "You can dish it out but you can't take it."

I don't hate anyone, I leave that to the "People" in the title of this thread.

[cut]

There is a little progress, both sides are doing a lot of dishing out, true but you can always tell when they are taking it because they move on.

[XASA]

There is a little progress, both sides are doing a lot of dishing out, true but you can always tell when they are taking it because they move on.

Perhaps you should suggest to Helex and others it is time for them to move on because, because, frankly, their continuing anti-American banter is getting to be a bit boring. If those of you who have issues with American policy limited your comments to what our government is doing instead of bashing the people who live here we might all be able to get along.

Which reminds me of another American saying, "Don't start nothing, won't be nothing".

[cut]

Last time Helex wrote anything in this thread was 5 hours ago, I think it's safe to say he has moved on.

[Rilence]

Last time Helex wrote anything in this thread was 5 hours ago, I think it's safe to say he has moved on.
we'll see about that :slap:

[HELEX]

Last time Helex wrote anything in this thread was 5 hours ago

Yes, this Thread is more objective than any "hate" thread that ignited itself in past times.
But some people here didnt attack me but just a country, that is somewhat strange. That shows very clearly to me that some individuals generalize countrys to certain individuals and individuals to countrys.
And that means my starting question wasnt that wrong in its intention.... ;)

[Trigger]

You make your bull**** intentions very clear with every post HELEX.
Why don't you switch to ****, you'll annoy fewer people.

[HELEX]

So why do you bother yourself with this "BS"?

You are not forced to say anything here in this thread.

[XASA]

Last time Helex wrote anything in this thread was 5 hours ago, I think it's safe to say he has moved on.
we'll see about that :slap:

Cut is intelligent enough to know I was referring to almost every thing Helex posts, not just this specific thread. He also knows my posts are to the board in general because addressing Helex directly would be a waste of time.

I'll say it again, Helex is an attention whore who thrives on dissent and debate, as do others who post here. Nothing wrong with that. But when you see the same insulting drivel over and over again, even those among us with thick skins feel the need to respond.

Semantics and rhetoric aside, it made for an interesting debate. Time to have some real fun ;)

[Trigger]

So why do you bother yourself with this "BS"?

You are not forced to say anything here in this thread.
Why bother myself?
Because you are an attention whore. I'm paying your salary bitch. Now bend over.

You are not forced to come here and post anything, but you still do.
Why?

[Jack Mehoff]

HELEX reminds me of Sixgun.

[HELEX]

You are not forced to come here and post anything, but you still do.
Why?

Because there are sometimes cool Photos in here. Remenber? Militaryphotos.net.....

Thats the name of this Forum here. ;)


HELEX reminds me of Sixgun.

You remind me of.... Albanian :lol:

[mack pl]

Have I ever wondered why so many people hate America?Hmmmm, NO ;)

[Trigger]

You are not forced to come here and post anything, but you still do.
Why?

Because there are sometimes cool Photos in here. Remenber? Militaryphotos.net.....

Thats the name of this Forum here. ;) Give me a Mutha f**kin' break! You post all your crap and get flamed for it, and now your going to lecture about how this is a 'photo' site? STFU and look at the photos then.


HELEX reminds me of Sixgun.

You remind me of.... Albanian :lol:

[Ichhabe]

People hate Americans? Then why the f*** everybody in the world wants to immigrate over here?

Count me out.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Q:Have you ever wondered why so many People hate America?

A:Because this ;)


Wow, I can see that the majority of members here are red diaper baby pinko commie liberal left democrats. I spit on your face.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11537&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Word^


Count me out.

Pretty much

[Beowulf]

Now we was once two niggaz of the same kind
Quick to holla at a hoochie with the same line
You was just a little smaller but you still rolled...
...When I talk about money all you see is the struggle
When I tell you I'm livin large you tell me it's trouble...
...
And I can see us after school, we'd BOMB
on the first mother****er with the wrong **** on
Now the whole ****'s changed, and we don't even kick it
Got a big money scheme, and you ain't even with it
Hmm, knew in my heart you was the same mother****er bad
Go toe to toe when it's time for roll you got a brother's back
And I can't even trip, cause I'm just laughin at cha
You tryin hard to maintain, then go head
cause I ain't mad at cha
(Hmm, I ain't mad at cha)....
....Well guess who's movin up, this nigga's ballin now
Bitches be callin to get it, hookers keep fallin down
He went from nuttin to lots, ten carots to rock
Went from a nobody nigga to the big, man on the block
He's Mister local celebrity, addicted to move a key
Most hated by enemy, escape in the Luxury
See, first you was our nigga but you made it, so the choice is made
Now we gotta slay you why you faded, in the younger days
So full of pain while the weapons blaze...

[HELEX]

Give me a Mutha f**kin' break! You post all your crap and get flamed for it, and now your going to lecture about how this is a 'photo' site? STFU and look at the photos then.

You already need a ....break? I'm only at 30% at the moment. ;)

Of course I'm here for the Photos like most of the People here, but reading Sixguns BS(and similar) caused my registration...

And count me out for that immigration.

[Trigger]

Newsflash:
Sixgun is long gone. Feel free to shut up now.

[Haiw]

Geez... HELEX even makes my eyebrows go up. :|
Anyway, please cut the German generalisations crap okay? Not every German is an asshat...

BTW Trigger...newsflash; "he'll be back". :(

[Beowulf]

Geez... HELEX even makes my eyebrows go up. :|
Anyway, please cut the German generalisations crap okay? Not every German is an asshat...

unless they're in one of "those" movies....you know, the ones you starred in a few years back .... :D

[Trigger]

BTW Trigger...newsflash; "he'll be back".
No doubt. :(

[Haiw]

Geez... HELEX even makes my eyebrows go up. :|
Anyway, please cut the German generalisations crap okay? Not every German is an asshat...

unless they're in one of "those" movies....you know, the ones you starred in a few years back .... :D
:oops:
What worries me most is that you actually know of my acting carreer. A big fan of the genre I suppose?

[HELEX]

So did I say anything wrong?

[Maine Finn]

You are not forced to come here and post anything, but you still do.
Why?

Because there are sometimes cool Photos in here. Remenber? Militaryphotos.net.....

Thats the name of this Forum here. ;)


HELEX reminds me of Sixgun.

You remind me of.... Albanian :lol:

You both remind of a donkey's behind. As much as I like you, Jack, there it is. Sorry. Towel pics later to make up for it? p-)


So did I say anything wrong?

No, not at all. We're just responding to your idiocy because we've nothing better to do.

I have an idea! HELEX, you say that this Forum is about the photos. Why don't you go find some and post them, so you're not a complete waste of bandwith. How about that?

~Emily

[Jack Mehoff]

Please do


You both remind of a donkey's behind. As much as I like you, Jack, there it is. Sorry. Towel pics later to make up for it?

[Maine Finn]

Please do


You both remind of a donkey's behind. As much as I like you, Jack, there it is. Sorry. Towel pics later to make up for it?

Later. I have a killer headache right now.

Besides that, my computer's broken. I'm borrowing one of the workstations in the tech lab.

My monitor fried itself yesterday. :fork: Damn thing. I got the system at the start of the semester - brand new everything.

[Beowulf]

this thread has run its course...