Snipers (WWII)

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http://www.marinescoutsniper.com/images/snipers/ww2snipers.jpg

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/germany_sniper_SS.jpg

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/germany_sniper_Stalingrado_1942.jpg

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http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/RUSSIA_dragon_box9_snipers.jpg

Erwin König existed?
Which the best german sniper (WWII)???

[mustamato]

http://www.tropaselite.hpg.ig.com.br/RUSSIA_dragon_box9_snipers.jpg

Love that camo, I will get one to my collection (re-production) some day. And
about snipers, let us not forget the legendary Simo Häyhä that killed more than
500 Red Army soldiers.

http://www.mosin-nagant.net/Meeting-Legend.html
http://www.snipercountry.com/sniphistory.htm

http://www.mosin-nagant.net/simohayha.jpg
Simo Häyhä in 1939 or 1940

[Alban]

With a Finnish Mossin Nagant without telescope!
Hayha was dead two years ago, and I'm very sorry I never couldn't meet him!

[Sleeping Sun]

Simo Häyhä that killed more than
500 Red Army soldiers.
in 105 days

With a Finnish Mossin Nagant without telescope!
!

[Obergefreiter]

Not to take away from his feat, but many of the kills were up close with his SMG. A SOUMI I think it is called. I know the Finns get mad when the word is used wrong so sorry if I misspelled it.

[FinnishMF]

Not to take away from his feat, but many of the kills were up close with his SMG. A SOUMI I think it is called. I know the Finns get mad when the word is used wrong so sorry if I misspelled it.

Heh. Suomi KP ;)

Those who he killed with SMG(Suomi machine gun) were not in this "500 kills" number. So he killed 500 with rifle and more (I dont know how meny but meny) with SMG. He was a great man :)

[Obergefreiter]

I knew I would mess that up. :bash:

I was mistaken, I was sure the SMG kills were a large part of his "500".

A great man never-the-less.

[FinnishMF]

And Häyhä's rifle wasn't a mossin nagant. It was a Finnish m/28-30 "pystykorva" Häyhä used only iron sights and his longest known kill was 450m. :roll:

[*Teryan*]

I found this on him and his rifle.

http://www.snipercountry.com/sniphistory.htm#SimoHayha

505 guys in 9 month? Wow, that is a lot of people, also the 1,000,000 dead Russians, what happend? Not to take away from the Finnis, but that seems almost impossible. Did the russians use human wave attacks in open terian?

[Kitsune]

500 kills! I know, I am a sissie...but to have killed 500 Soldiers (most of them probably 18 year old lads...and one after one...that would weight heavy on my mind.

[FinnishMF]

Did the russians use human wave attacks in open terian?
Yes they actually did :roll:

[Alban]

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[Alban]

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[Obergefreiter]

The Finnish Nagants are highly prized in the US for their accuracy. They are very well made rifles.

The Russians, as usual, well poorly lead and used poor tactics. The Finns faught hard. Much harder than anyone expected.

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

Erwin König existed?

[Marmot1]

Erwin König existed?
No

[SR15]

it looks like missprint, 1,000,000 vs 25,000 doesnt look real.
more like 100,000 vs 25,000

[Haiw]

it looks like missprint, 1,000,000 vs 25,000 doesnt look real.
more like 100,000 vs 25,000
No it IS real. The Russians lost a million men. Apparently one Russian general said "We have conquered just enough land to burry our dead".

Anyway, as far as I know Hayha's 505 kills were all with a bolt-action rifle. However, there was some other guy, who's name I can't remember right now, who had 400 kills with a rifle and 200 with an SMG. Maybe you confused the two?

[Alban]

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who is that mother****ing son of a bitch of moderator that trash my post?
Why?

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

German snipers

name - Kills
Erwin Konig (?) - 400
Matthäus Hetzenauer - 345
Heinz Thorvald - 300
Sepp Allerberger - 257
Gefreiter Meyer - 180
Oleh Dir - 120
Helmut Wirnsberger - 64


is correct?????

[Haiw]

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who is that f*** son of a bitch of moderator that trash my post?
Why?
He's the same moderator that's working right now to get you banned...again. Why don't you just take the hint and stay the **** away!?

[Alban]

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who is that f*** son of a bitch of moderator that trash my post?
Why?
He's the same moderator that's working right now to get you banned...again. Why don't you just take the hint and stay the f*** away!?

cause I like to **** the dutchs!

[Haiw]

Well then you'd be better off elsewhere because I'm pretty much the only active Dutch person here.

[Marmot1]

Alban please shut up... OK? And behave!!!! :bash:

[Alban]

Alban please shut up... OK? And behave!!!! :bash:

OK, Panje! ;)

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

German snipers

name - Kills
Erwin Konig (?) - 400
Matthäus Hetzenauer - 345
Heinz Thorvald - 300
Sepp Allerberger - 257
Gefreiter Meyer - 180
Oleh Dir - 120
Helmut Wirnsberger - 64


is correct?????

Could anybody answer my question?

[FinnishMF]

German snipers

name - Kills
Erwin Konig (?) - 400
Matthäus Hetzenauer - 345
Heinz Thorvald - 300
Sepp Allerberger - 257
Gefreiter Meyer - 180
Oleh Dir - 120
Helmut Wirnsberger - 64


is correct?????

Could anybody answer my question?

http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm

There is a lot of information

[DeutschBrasilianisch]

German snipers

name - Kills
Erwin Konig (?) - 400
Matthäus Hetzenauer - 345
Heinz Thorvald - 300
Sepp Allerberger - 257
Gefreiter Meyer - 180
Oleh Dir - 120
Helmut Wirnsberger - 64


is correct?????

Could anybody answer my question?

http://www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm

There is a lot of information


and Erwin Konig????

[mustamato]

it looks like missprint, 1,000,000 vs 25,000 doesnt look real.
more like 100,000 vs 25,000
No it IS real. The Russians lost a million men. Apparently one Russian general said "We have conquered just enough land to burry our dead".

Anyway, as far as I know Hayha's 505 kills were all with a bolt-action rifle. However, there was some other guy, who's name I can't remember right now, who had 400 kills with a rifle and 200 with an SMG. Maybe you confused the two?

Suko Kolkka was the other dude. As for the amount of dead "Russians" (many
of the soldiers sent to Finland during the Winter War was incredibly not even
Russians, but Ukrainians with nearly no winter experience at all).
The "1 million Red Army casualties" is a German estimate directly after the war,
also Nikita Krustyehv (spelling?) put it to 1 million in his memoars. Official Soviet
information put it to about ~30.000, which is bull**** of course.

One easy way to understand how Höyhä could kill more than 500 Red Army
soldiers is to know how the fighting was, the Red Army had heavy mechanized
divisions, while the Finns had light infantry units, the Finns simply cut of the
divisions and encircled them, cut them to smaller pieces and killed them of
or starved them to death. This tactics, (in Finnish, "motti") was succesfull against
many Soviet divisions that were annihiliated. In example in Suomussalmi where the
Soviet 163rd Division was annihiliated. The Soviet 44th Rifle Divison that was
sent to help 163rd got into a motti as well in Raatte and was killed of. The Soviet
losses was 20.000+ KIA while the Finnish was 350 KIA, 600 WIA and 70 MIA!
Apparently it was often so that the Soviet soldiers became desperate after a
couple of days and made a desperate attempt to escape, and was killed.

The Finns lost about 26.000 KIA in the Winter War. But recent research in Soviet
archives have shown that the Soviet losses, KIA´s could be as low as 150.000
for the Winter War, but well 150.000 dead in 3 months. That´s hell of a daily rate.
It can also be noted that the next Finnish-Soviet war, the Continuation War,
the first 3 months in that war, then 150.000 Red Army and about 25.000 Finnish
soldiers was killed as well, and that war lasted 4 years!

It´s possible to say that the Red Army had "1 million casualties", if including
WIA and putting it into the context of the northern front and the timeframe to
1939-45. But not if only including the Winter War.

[Ezra Coli]

Some Haya clarification. He did use a Mosin Nagant. It was a Mosin Nagant 28/30, or a 27/30 if you go with some naming scenarios. This is a Finnish variant made from Russian M1891 rifles. The Finns purchased, traded for and captured millions of 1891s, from them they rebarreled them and put indigenous stocks on them. These rifles carrey the former Russian markings of the receiver sometimes (always the original date on the underside of the tang) but have Finnish markings on the barrel shanks. The Finn Mosin Nagants are all made from recycles Russian parts, except for the barrel and stocks. They are almost always more accurate than the Russians too. The ultimate Mosin Nagant os generally considered to be the hefty M1939.

Haya himself calls it a Mosin Nagant, in a 1998 interview/meeting with Mosin Nagant collectors deom Gunboards.com in Finland, he even asked ho many of us had M38 Mosin Nagants.

Also, he made a substantial number of kills with the Suomi.

And the Russians lost 10 million or more in the 1939 winter war, a huge amount considering that Fnland only had approx 480,000 in the military overall. Most of this was caused by outdated Russian tacticas and head-on assaults of entrenched positions. This was the number Stalin admitted, and the modern numbers are said to have been revised. I don't know the truth on this matter as I read it a couple of years ago in a Russian book on 20th century Soviet military engagement, I'll see if I can find it, but the gist was that Kruschev was not about to have an official history reflect a whipping of that magnitude. I'll see if I can locate the cource, until then its just internet jibberish that you can take with a grain of salt.

Though they lost some land, the Finns did not lose this war, as witnessed by the fact that there is a Finland today. An amazing history. Absolutely stunning story.

[ExtraT]

And the Russians lost 10 million or more in the 1939 winter war, a huge amount....

10M? eh, are you (just alittle) nuts? Russian losses were big, but 10 Million - that's ten times bigger than the size of the whole army mobilized by USSR for this war. :)

Read up, man, learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War