Tears of the Sun

[hood]

It looks like portraying SEALs runs in the family for Demi Moore and Bruce Willis. The situation in the movie looks very similar to what's going on in the Ivory Coast with the French.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/columbia/tearsofthesun/

[Mace]

Doesnt look too bad, has potential. From the trailer it looks like it could end up to be a bit too 'Action Hero' ish, but we shall wait and see. Some nice looking M4's too.

[Alleycat]

I think the movie will be really good. And if you've seen Training Day, you would know this movie will have some good scenes. The first time I saw the trailer for Black Hawk Down, I thought it was going to be stupid, hahahaha, it's actually my favorite movie right now.

[hood]

Good point. It all hinges on whether they keep it serious, or if they go off into sillyness like G.I. Jane. Although I didn't like how Training Day ended, it definitely had the right mood to it.

[GearGod]

Im looking forward to it... You know its hilarious how I saw ONE movie last year, black hawk down.. two times! This tears of the sun movie will proabbly be the 1st movie i may see this year.. dont even know if im going to see it or not..

Who wants to see an afghanistan/iraq movie made!??!?! ME!!!!!

[JiJoMacLE45]

The way the film industry works, you'll probably see a film based on the Takur Ghar fight where PO1 Neil Roberts, SGT Phil Svitak, SPC Marc Anderson, PFC Matt Commons, SGT Brad Crose, TSG John Chapman, and SRA Jason Cunningham gave their lives or maybe even the battle at the prison where Mike Spann was killed. As long as they portray the events as truthfully as possible, as they tried to do in Black Hawk Down.
PS
I only saw one movie all of 2002, as well. BHD.

[Vance]

I would like to see a movie about Mazar-e-Sharif. It had a good story to it

[96B]

Yea I really look forward to seeing this film. Although I may be wrong, it seems to me that there has yet to be a movie that truly depicts SEALs as they really are as far as personality and toughness. Hollywood has portrayed SEALs as some Rambo type hot shot warrior type. I really hope this movie ends up good which Im sure it will, but also I fear that like in Training Day, a main character would die. I understand with the situation in the film that thousands of rebels come after them its impossible for none of them to die unless they pull out really quick which is doubtful, but I hope that like all of them dont die except Bruce Willis and the girl or something. Anyways I really look forward to it and I think its gonna be awesome. Also, I think it would be great if they made a new movie that accurately depicted Marine Force Recon :D

[FallenAngel]

Marine Force Recon? I think there's a Clint Eastwood movie called "Heartbreak Ridge" about Recon :D ;)

[Minjin]

While I too hope for realism from this film, I have never met or hung out with a real Seal, so I wouldn't know if it was a real portrayal of their attitudes and such...looks like a good film nonetheless

[StarvingStudent47]

Looks good. Of course it's going to be "hollywoodized" and unrealistic, but oh well, it's a movie. And Bruce Willis and Rachel Weiss are both good actors.

EDIT--never mind, that's not Rachel Weiss.

[Alleycat]

In the movie "The Rock", one of my favorites even though the SEALs all die. The Terrorists are Marine Force Recon.

[Vance]

Hah the SEALs got owned

[GearGod]

If you were the ST6 leader in the rock what would you have done? Surrender? I wouldve... They'd just put us in prison and no one would die..

[96B]

The SEALs should have infiltrated from the beach to Alcatraz, that way they would at least have cover and darkness to their advantage. I personally dont think they would have been put in the shower room position in real life because it would have been recognized as an ambush point. Its also kinda disturbing how you see some of the SEALs goin OMG we are gonna die! and such when the Marines surround them.

[JayHawk]

A bit OT, but what's that music at the very end of the trailer called again? Can't think of the name.... :(


Cheers,


JayHawk

[JiJoMacLE45]

The guys who played the SEALs in the Rock were actually real SEALs, save three of them. Cdr Anderson(Michael Biehn) and LT Shepard(Danny Nucci) were both actors, and the one who said OMG we're going to die or something of that effect was former special boat guy who worked for Harry Humphries GSGI. The rest were SEALs who were working as instructors at the Naval Special Warfare Center including Dennis Chalker who was the command master chief at the Center when the movie was made. He was the one who tried climbing up the wall to fire his MP5K at the Recon guys.
While the movie is okay, the back and forth between General Hummel(Ed Harris) and Anderson in the shower room is one of my favorite movie scenes of all time.

HUMMEL: Commander Anderson, if you have any concern for the lives of your men you will order them to safety their weapons and place them on the deck.

ANDERSON: Sir, we know why your out here. God knows I agree with you. But like you I swore to defend this country against all enemies, foreign sir and domestic. General, we've spilled the same blood in the same mud, you know goddamn well I can't give that order.

HUMMEL: Your unit is covered from an elevated position commander. I'm not going to ask again. Don't do anything stupid. No one has to die here.

ANDERSON: You men following the general, you are under oath as United States Marines, have you forgotten that. We all have ship mates we remember. Some of them we **** on and pissed on by the Pentagon, but that doesn't give you the right to mutiny!

HUMMEL: You call it what you want, your down there, we're up here! You walked into the wrong goddamn room commander!

ANDERSON: Standfast.

HUMMEL: Goddamnit commander, one last time, you tell your men to safety their weapons and drop 'em on the deck.

ANDERSON: I cannot give that order!

HUMMEL: I am not going to repeat that order!

ANDERSON: I will not give that order!

I get goose bumps when I watch that scene. Sorry, it's one of the corny things you remember when you have to much time on your hands thanks to working the midnight shift.

[JayHawk]

Exactly! That sure is one of the best scenes of any movie, I also like the intro scene, the one at the cemetery (military?, if so why does his wive Barbara Hummel rest there?), and then immediately followed by the Naval Special Weapons Depot break-in.... Great music of Hans Zimmer BTW.


Cheers,


JayHawk

[hood]

Well, it's probably pointless to debate why they ended up in the shower room, because the reason was something rather improbable to begin with. (Sean Connery's character) I think Black Hawk Down showed that you can portray Special Operations troops that are extremely motivated and focused, while not having them with m60's in each hand, firing 3000 rounds from invisible ammo boxes while running with their hair on fire. I think at this point, the public wants more realistic and believable scenarios because we're all more educated about what the military is really capable of.

[...]

That is an alright scene. However, I think the best scene ever is the boot camp scene in Full Metal Jacket. It is so damn motivating, it gets me fired up every time I see it.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Your right, Jayhawk, I forgot about the opening sequence, the radio transmissions, the voice over, the twenty-one gun salute in the rain, leaving the MOH on the grave. That was a good one too.

I think one of the most moving scenes is one of the most simple. The end of Black Hawk Down when SSG Eversman(Josh Harnett) is in the hangar talking to the body of Jamie Smith and then the credits begin to roll and the letter from Randy Shugart to his wife is read while the names of the soldiers killed are scrolled. I'm not normally an emotional person, but when I saw it in the movie theatre it choked me up. I have the DVD and have probably watched the movie twenty or thirty times, and every time that I see that scene it still affects me.

[JayHawk]

In BHD there is also the scene at the end where they are trying to get the pilot's bodies out and when they are done the convoy get's out of the hot-zone (+ Mogadishu Mile). Great scene. By chance Hans Zimmer also made the score for BHD!

I can go on and on like this for hours you know!


GEN. GARRISON: Danny, no-one get's left behind...

You understand me, son?

[JiJoMacLE45]

I thought Eric Bana's portrayal of 'Hoot' whose a cross between Norm Hooten and John Macejunas really stole the movie. He had some great lines.

"You know what I think, it really don't matter what I think. When that first bullet goes past your ear, politics, all that bull**** goes right out the window."

"When I go home, people ask me, hey Hoot, why do you do it man? You some kind of war junkie or something. I won't say a thing. They don't understand. It's about the man next to you, that's it."

[StarvingStudent47]

JAYHAWK--the music is the score to Gladiator. Don't expect to hear it in the actual movie. More often than not, music from the trailer is NOT in the movie, because original scores are composed AFTER the release of a trailer. For example, the Black Hawk Down trailer featured Guns n Roses' "Knocking on Heaven's Door," which did not appear in the actual film. The Enemy at the Gates trailer featured the music from Braveheart. And so on.

[JayHawk]

But of course!!!!! Thank your very much! Why didn't I think of that before.... I knew they used a piece from Pearl Harbor as well but couln't think of that last one.... I used to listen to the OST of Gladiator quite often so I could have known it.... :oops:


Again, all music composed by Mr. Zimmer himself :)

[Trigger]

Those are some great movies and great scenes whether they are realistic or not. Unforgettable.
My favorite shootout of all time has to be when Robert DeNiro and crew exit the bank they've just robbed - pure mayhem in downtown L.A.!
All I can say is BOOYAH!! (and I rarely say that)

Hey JayHawk - how about the soundtrack to 'Crimson Tide' -sweet!
woot

[Trigger]

That was from the movie 'Heat' -duh :oops:

[JiJoMacLE45]

Heat is certainly one of my favorite movies as well. Not only the bank shootout scene, but you can't forget the scene with DeNiro and Pacino in the coffee shop, classic.

Don't forget some of the other classic film lines:

"You go, we go" from Backdraft.
Just about the entire dialogue from Top Gun.
Any of Jack Nicholson's lines from a Few Good Men.
Everything Jesse Ventura said in Predator.

I could go on and on.

Your absolutely right about realistic movies. I've never been a real big fan of the Rambo/Terminator genre, over the top action movies. So when you see a film like Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, or a lesser known Vietnam story called Tigerland, starring Colin Farrell, it gives me hope that only more of the same is to come.

[Jester23]

Vance -

I did read last month (or maybe in December) that they are making a movie about the battle at Mazar-e-Sharif. I'll try and find more details and post them..

[Silverado]

For those that couldn't be assed to download the trailer, here be a couple of stills poached from IMDB, make of them what you will, personally I'm not holding my breath......

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0314353/DF-0146.jpg

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0314353/CT-2038.jpg

Then again Hollywood might just surprise us and make something halfways realistic.

[hood]

I agree with you Trigger about the scene in Heat... my marine friend kept poking me though saying that Val Kilmer's gun would have jammed several times if he used it like that in real life.

[JiJoMacLE45]

What's the deal with the shooter with the mohawk. Last time I checked, this film wasn't the last of Mohiccans. I don't think the guy on the right(Eamonn Walker) will be the first to go. Any OZ fans will be familiar with Walker who played Kareem Said. He's a heck of an actor.

[Trigger]

Before 'Heat' came out I read an article in a British movie magazine about it. Way down toward the end credits of the movie Andy McNab is listed as 'Technical Weapons Advisor'. I had no idea who he was at the time. The article went on to briefly describe his credentials. So I went out and picked up 'Bravo Two Zero', since then, I can't get enough of his books fiction or otherwise. I read somewhere on this site where someone was basically calling B.S. on his books. I couldn't disagree more. Reading his books is like sitting in a pub and listening to an operator tell you his story over a few beers.

On a side note check out an older (early eighties) movie by Michael Mann (Heat) called 'Thief' with James Caan. Excellent High tech jewel thief/mob movie.

Or a Vietnam war movie called '84 Charlie MoPic'. It's about a four-man recon patrol that is accompanied by an Army cameraman and his Lt. Very eerie, as seen through his camera. Very realistic. I think it came out around 1985. I hadn't heard of any of the actors before or since, so it was a little more believable if you know what I mean.

[Trigger]

What's the deal with the shooter with the mohawk. Last time I checked, this film wasn't the last of Mohiccans.

Now THAT is a kick-ass movie!
also by Michael Mann :D

[TheReverend]

Well that explains it then :lol:

[a. enders]

If anyone could point me in the direction of a decent information source about Mazar-e-Sharif or any other Afghanistan firefight,it'd be appreciated.

A. Enders

[JiJoMacLE45]

Type in 'Executive Summary of the Battle of Takur Ghar' into google or another search engine. The address is really long and I'd probably mess it up so I'll just put that down.

This gives an overview on fight on the ridgline of Takur Ghar where seven Americans were killed during Operation Anaconda.

I also saw a magazine article about the battle as well told pretty much from the Ranger QRF perspective, I'll see if I can dig that up.

I haven't really found anything on Maza-e Sharif, but I have not looked that hard, so I'll get back to you if I find anything else.

[JiJoMacLE45]

The other article is from the Washington Past 'Bravey and Breakdowns in a Ridgetop Battle.' Try that in a searh engine.

[GearGod]

Battle at Takur Ghar KICKED @$$!!!!!!!! They better make a good movie out of it... and BHD couldve been better.. Anyway, check out the Battle at Takur Ghar.. A good way to remember this battle is that 75th Ranger Regiment was in it..... so goto armyranger.com click history http://www.armyranger.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=43 then scroll all the way down and click EXECUTIVE SUMMARY http://www.armyranger.com/mod.php?mod=userpage&page_id=70

"seven Rangers stormed the hill as quickly as they could in the knee-deep snow - shooting and throwing grenades. Within minutes, the Rangers took the hill, killing multiple al Qaeda"

KNEE DEEP SNOW!??!?! Damn!!

[Chops]

Trigger

Hate to say it but "McNab" is a bull****ter par excellence. Speak to pretty much anyone who has served in the Regiment since the early nineties or indeed have a read of Eye of the Storm by RSM Ratcliffe or Michael Asher's book. Ratcliffe was a prick but he wasnt a lying prick. Asher, ex 22, completely demolishes the B20 story. Both 'McNab' and Ryan bull****ed the story- no one who was at the Regimental debriefs conducted by these two recalled much of what appeared in either book.

Don't think that just because these guys were 22 that they weren't above talking their tales up to sell books.

Rgds

Chops

[...]

Trigger

Hate to say it but "McNab" is a bull****ter par
Don't think that just because these guys were 22 that they weren't above talking their tales up to sell books.

Rgds

Chops
I totally agree some of the biggest bull****ter I know are in the military. "We humped 20...no 30 miles with 70...no 80 pound packs all up hill while it was 90...no 100 degrees out blah blah blah knee deep snow blah blah" You have to take everything you hear with a grain of salt. People want to: sell books+they want sound bad ass+they want to get laid which = exageration, bending the truth, flat out lies, and not be forgotten the ever usefull selective memory.

[hood]

Full video of entire battles via Predator drones is going to do serious damage to some of these guy's egos. :) Concerning a movie about mazar-e-sharif, I doubt it'll happen. As the following picture shows, showing 4-500 dead bodies scattered everywhere there's ground, does not a good movie make...

http://i.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/mazar/8.jpg

I just read the washington post article at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/issues/afghanbattle/ which was really amazing. I had read the report right after it happened a long time ago which wasn't anywhere near complete. This one actually gives a bullet by bullet account, Mark Bowden style. All those guys are super stars...

[96B]

Great article, but I was under the impression that the SEAL put up a hell of a fight... "The entire episode spiraled out of an attempt to rescue a single SEAL, who had fallen out of the initial helicopter and was quickly shot by the enemy."

[hood]

pretty much... the seals wanted to go back because they thought their seal buddy was still alive. the rangers went there because they thought the seals were still up there. total mess, but they won anyway. i don't know if you guys noticed, but the recent firefight in spinboldak was a very similar one to this, but it looks like the us forces learned their lesson. if you're not sure about a hill concerning enemies, sent a chopper there first to scout it out before you land troops, even if you think it was clear from earlier bombing. they sent a couple of apache's ahead on spinboldak which showed the enemy. this whole thing would have happened again if that wasn't the case.

[GearGod]

So they shoudlve had better reconnaissance? I think the AC-130 Spectre gunships did one hell of a job... Bombing the crapp out of the enemy

[hood]

the problem with this encounter, was that the ac-130's weren't allowed in, because it was during daylight hours. if they had them, it could be argued that the casualties wouldn't have happened. same goes for somalia.

[96B]

Was it the Clinton administration that denied the Rangers and such the support of the AC-130's and the armor on the ground? If so, what reason would they have to not do such a thing?

[JiJoMacLE45]

The Clinton administration did deny all requests for AC-130's and armored personnel carriers that were requested by Major General Garrison. They wanted Operation Gothic Serpent(the mission to grab Aideed) to be as quiet as possible. The thinking was the more equipment and troops that were deployed, the more attention that would be drawn to the operation.

Which when you think about it does not make any sense because you already had a battalion from the 10th Mountain Division in theatre, about four hundred men from JSOC attached to TF Ranger, UN peacekeepers from Malaysia and Pakistan as well. And prior to those forces arriving I believe there were about 20,000 US Marines on the ground.(Correct my numbers if I'm wrong). So how would deploying four or five AC-130's and about one hundred men to man and support them and an equal number for some Bradley's. Typical empty headed, CYA thinking.

[Jester23]

I'll second, triplicate, whatever regarding McNab as a bull****ter. I've read all of his books and while they are entertaining, much of it is crap.

Try reading Peter Ratcliffe's "Eye of the Storm" - he goes into some good details regarding the SAS operations behind enemy lines along with some info on Chris Ryan & McNab's accounts of their patrols.

Also, Hood - the movie is in pre-production and gauging the success of "BHD" - I wouldn't be suprised. However, I don't share the settiments that either the events of "BHD", Takur Guhr, or Mazar-e-Sharif were "awesome, cool, etc" as some posters have stated. Columbia TriStar is set to distribute, produce...etc.

Here are some sites:
http://www.rte.ie/arts/2003/0101/noycep.html
http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/fs/20021220/104042899100.html

[GearGod]

Someone tell me more about this "MAZAR E SHARIF" battle you guys keep talking about. The people that said that battles/war/bhd/takur ghar/whatever is cool is definitely referring to the combat tactical aspects of it, the coolness of firing and manuevering against the enemy, etc. We definitely did not refer to the death of US forces.. Everything about it is awesome exept the injury/death part... Thats why I like to play airsoft/paintball :)

[a. enders]

THanks for all the responses.Aside from an apiring "Army of One" I would like to be a director.As for Mazar-e-Sharif,you'd just need a director/producer/studio with balls enough to do it and back it up.

[GearGod]

Alright, so its about a SF team leading the Northern Alliance to take over the city of Mazar-e-Sharif? Although it would be nice to see the SF negotiate and ride horses, I cant say I look forward to watching the Northern Alliance kill 200 Taliban fighters who may not have been fighting at all.. I want to see the Rangers take down airports, operation anaconda, and the battle of takur ghar!

[Light Fighter]

Actually, I wouldnt mind seeing a movie about an SF team and NA troops gunning down talibans, weather they were actively fighting really dosnt matter.



De Oppresso Liber

[felix6]

If you look at the credits, you'll see that the music is by Hans Zimmer who did the score for Gladiator and Black Hawk Down.

[hood]

Wow, those are some very talented people on board. Although battles like anaconda might be more battle worthy, they're probably going for the city take down because there's more dialog possible with the negotiations etc.. Many critics didn't like BHD because it was just non-stop battle, so it's possible they're trying to appeal to a wider target audience with this. If you look at his other directorial attributes, those are all dialog driven intrigue movies, no so much straight war.

[EliteWolf]

hope its better than that US Seals movie made a little while back..that sucked...mcadam, ive seen blackhawk down 30 times..know the script by heart..i could recite the whole movie perfectly.

[a. enders]

Seems a few movie buffs are here,so I ask:Has there ever been a flick about the Panamian invasion/rescue of Kurt Muse?Been looking at this for inspiration.

[Sir Nob]

Other than Blackhawk down, Bravo Two Zero is the best modern millitary movie Ive seen, Andy Mcnab was the technical advisor,(as he was in Heat) and bull**** or not its a realistic modern warfare movie with none of the hollwood b.s.you see so much of. Its kinda hard to find as it was originally run as a BBC mini series, but i did see it at blockbuster the other day.Check it out, id like to see what everyone thinks.

[GearGod]

Wasnt as good as I thought.. Kinda old you know.. not as new/advanced as black hawk down.. A better mid east movie is THREE KING.. more modern... I liked their british accents though heh.. and the torture was unnecessary to show.

[Trigger]

Speaking of Three Kings...good movie except for the fact that George Clueless (Clooney) was in it. What a douchebag.

[GearGod]

he wasnt too bad... "PRESIDENT BUSH WANTS YOU! TO STAND UP TO SADDAM!" lmao! thing about that movie is that it was post-desert storm..is there even a REAL desert storm movie about them liberating kuwait?

[hood]

Just noticed this one...

Oct. 31, 2002
Stuntman on Willis Pic Presumed Dead

HOLLYWOOD (Variety) — A stuntman is presumed dead after shooting a scene for the upcoming Bruce Willis action flick Tears of the Sun.
As of late Wednesday, the Coast Guard was still searching for Michael Barber, a day after he and seven other parachutists leapt from a plane and were supposed to land on California's Pismo Beach.

In the Revolution Studios picture, Willis plays a special forces commander who leads his team into the jungle of Nigeria to rescue a doctor, played by Monica Bellucci, who will only go along if they agree to bring 70 refugees out with them.

"Revolution Studios has been informed by the California Dept. of Parks and Recreation that the extensive search and rescue operations under way for veteran parachutist Michael Barber, 39, have shifted to recovery operations," the Sony-based studio said in a statement on Wednesday.

"We are deeply saddened by this tragedy. Our thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of Mike Barber. This is a devastating event for all involved. Revolution Studios is fully cooperating with the routine investigation; however, the cause of the incident has yet to be determined."

Neither Willis nor the film's director, Antoine Fuqua, was involved in the shoot.

[Alleycat]

Have any of you guys seen the short tv spot for Tears Of The Sun with the rock music playing?

If you have and you know the song will you give me the name.

[hood]

Yeah I have it recorded, but after listening to it a few times, it sounds like something that's on the movie soundtrack.

I saw this on showtimeaustralia.com:


Sunday, February 23, 2003
Spoke today with Bruce Willis, Monica Bellucci and director Antoine Fuqua about their new military thriller TEARS OF THE SUN.
A fictional story set in the jungles of Nigeria and Cameroon, but one that could easily have been true, Willis is a Navy SEAL Commander sent into the volatile country to rescue a doctor (Bellucci), an American-by-marriage who works for Doctors Without Borders in a remote village Chapel.

But the good doctor refuses to leave her patients behind, so Willis and Co. find themselves traveling through the jungle with a group of refugees under heavy fire from pursuing rebels.

There are several very intense and disturbing scenes in this film and rather graphic brutality caused by ethnic cleansing and racial genocide in these violent African countries.

But I'm always impressed with depictions of US Navy SEALS, the crack elite forces who are skilled and deadly, and, as this film emphatically tries to show, are human and susceptible to caring for the oppressed and threatened.

The film got full cooperation from the Navy and the Armed Forces and it's easy to see why: this is an example of American military might and heroics, soldiers disobeying orders by following their consciences and risking their own lives to save and protect others. The release couldn't have been better timed to rally support for the impending war.

I told Bruce Willis we should have sent him to Baghdad to straighten things out. He replied that while he had saved to world several times on film, he is quite comfortable with the American soldiers who come between he and his family and the bad guys, and who protect their right to freedom.

Bruce is one of only a handful of actors in Hollywood to show support for President Bush and his conservative politics. In such a liberal bastion (American sense, leftist) as Hollywood, this kind of stance would be career suicide for an actor with less clout.

[grendel]

If anyone could point me in the direction of a decent information source about Mazar-e-Sharif or any other Afghanistan firefight,it'd be appreciated.

A. Enders


Your wish is granted...
http://forums.military.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=78919038&f=5051924461&m=9261946106&p=1

p.s. just ignore the thread's cheesy title ;)

[hood]

Here's the url for all the interesting interviews.. has interviews with tommy franks, the commander for the 5th special forces group, the soldiers of Operational Detachment Alpha (ODA) 574, 534, 555, 595, and 572... can't beat that..

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/interviews/

[a. enders]

Thanks again.

[hood]

movies.com has 4 clips from the movie on the left side.

http://movies.go.com/movies/T/tearsofthesun_2003/trailers/win3.html

[Alleycat]

Eebert and Roeper gave the movie 2 thumbs up. I dont really care what they say, but its still kind of cool.

[hood]

Yeah I actually had the opportunity to see it already. It's definitely a serious and depressing movie. It's not like other action films where you're rooting for the good guys to blow up the bad guys. The scenes of genocide and the overall tone of total hopelessness for the country they're in overshadows any andrenaline moments. Definitely worth seeing though. Bruce Willis does a great job and never strays from how you'd expect his character to be.

[Minjin]

Hood, how believable is the movie? I heard from a number of sources that it is Willis' best action film since the original Die Hard, so I expect it to be a good film, but how "realistic" based on your knowledge of related subjects?

[hood]

Luckily there's nothing in there that's going to have you rolling your eyes because it's not the way you'd expect a real special operations soldier to act. All of the SEALs act like professionals, but at the same time, I liked that they showed that they're only human and aren't perfect. Saying anymore would risk spoilers, so I'll just say that military buffs won't have any regrets.

[FallenAngel]

Hood....are you saying that they actually bring their weapons up to the shoulder and take the time to aim instead of "spray and pray"? :D

No...actually..I have heard it's as realistic as a hollywood movie can get without actually using Navy SEALs.

[hood]

Well, just like Black Hawk Down, they had the full cooperation of the US military which is always a nice bonus because it lets them use real looking equipment and they have good training people to make sure they do it right. Concerning the aiming, one of the SEAL snipers does beautiful things with a supressed M4. :)

[Alleycat]

Actually in filming there was a real Navy SEAL, but as he said in his webcast. "You never know what they do on the cutting floor."

He was also a stunt double for Cuba Gooding Jr. in Men of Honor.

[96B]

Hood, does it end good?

[hood]

haha It's the feel good movie of the summer! Ebert and Roeper loved it and said "That scene at the end with the horses where they ride off into the sunset was awe inspiring!". The New York Times said "The way Willis' character used that elephant as a rocket launcher was incredible."

[Alleycat]

Sounds like a great ending.

[hood]

well, looks like cnn.com didn't like tears of the sun. He feels that it was just a rambo movie, which I rather disagree with and the comment I didn't like the most was "This may not be the best moment to make war look easier than it is." This movie DEFINITELY doesn't make war look easy for anyone involved.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/06/ew.review.tears/index.html

[Alleycat]

He's just a dumbass pussy critic that doesn't care for war movies.

[96B]

It got a B- which I would say isnt too too bad, but the comments made about the movie made me mad.... its typical though because alot of good war movies or just good movies in general get rated bad by these kinds of critics.

In my opinion, a movie that represents a win in a seriously losing situation is Behind Enemy Lines with Gene Hackman and that guy with the weird nose. It was a cool movie and entertaining, but it was just kinda unrealistic, from the missiles coming back for another attempt at blowing them up over and over at the starting to all the thousands of bullets being shot at him and missing and the whole idea of a Super Hornet getting shot down. But it is a little too feel good all happens good movie. I believe the only two good guy losses in that movie were his pilot, and a marine on the helicopter at the end. Not to say it is impossible for that kind of stuff to happen, its just a little far fetched on how things happened.

I trust Hood that it is a good movie and is realistic and finally a movie is coming out that portrays SEALs pretty much like they really are. I think its really a given that some of the SEALs or at least one will die because of the immense numbers of enemies coming after them but I think with some good ole' air support and naval gunfire and good shooting the odds will be evened. Well I will definately know tomorrow because I will be going to the very first showing at my local theatre. woot

[Chops]

Behind Enemy Lines was okayish (beside the incredible Matrix style dodging of literally hundreds of rounds and the AI PM armed sniper missing shot after shot) except the stupidity of the gunship attacks at the closing scene. Two Hueys with 2.75in. pods hovering. Yes, hovering! Lots of rounds comig their way but these guys hover. Umm, yep. That is not the way gunships operate. They come in fast, hose the target and keep on going. Just goes to show the quality of their military advisor,if indeed they had one.

Rgds

Chops

[JiJoMacLE45]

Your right about movie critics. When BHD first hit theatres I read a review that harped about how racist the movie was. White soldiers, killing black bad guys. Now if the critic had done his homework, he would have realized that only 2 of the 400 men in TF Ranger were black and that there were no whites in the Habr Gidr clan or any of the rebel groups or all of Somalia for that matter. The fact that Ranger Specialist Kurth was even in the movie, considering how many men involved in the battle who received a good amount of attention in the book were either combined to form a single character or left out all together. It really ticked me off. Anyway, when was the last time a movie tanked or sky rocketed b/c of critics' reviews.

[Alleycat]

Yeah the critic was bad mouthing bhd also. Another gripe for Behind Enemy Lines was when Owen Wilson (the guy with the weird nose) was running away right after they shot his co-pilot, he was running down a hill and the serbs or whatever were shooting up at him, and some how the bullets started flying down the hill at him even though the bad guys weren't even over it. rofl It was still an ok movie though. And I will also be seeing Tears Of The Sun tommorow. HOO-YAH

[Chops]

I think they were supposed to be Croats Alleycat rather than Chechens. The Americans don't involve themselves in internal Russian affairs (ie Chechnya) just yet...

Rgds

Chops

[FallenAngel]

Chops...they were Serbs in Behind Enemy Lines.

and, I would like to think that the US will never get involved in Russia's internal affairs.

[Minjin]

I was reading my local paper yesterday, and there was a story about Antoine Fuqua, the director of Tears of the Sun. Apparently he had a book about the various wars and genocides going on in Africa on set, and he and the cast all looked at it daily to keep their focus on the point of the movie. Sounds like a pretty interesting way of keeping motivated. He also said it is not at all supposed to be a Rambo movie (so take that, CNN!!) but rather an interesting and informative bit of entertainment to open people's eyes to the suffering in Africa.

Hope it pulls it off, I will find out this week!!

[Ratamacue]

I just saw it before. It really was a great movie. There wasn't really all that much action, and while the tactics the SEALs used towards the end aren't exactly very accurate, it's still a very intense, suspenseful, and eye-opening movie.

Most of the scenes are not VERY graphic, yet Antoine Fuqua really showed how horrible a situation is there. Granted, the film does seem to try to be a little too noble at times, but nonetheless, it's a very good movie.

I give it a 9/10.

[Jack]

I just saw it and I agree with Rat, although I don't know about SEALs tactics so I can't comment on that.
I thought Behind Enemy Lines sucked.

[Alleycat]

I thought it was a great movie also. The tactics before the airstrike are very realistic, where some of them would fire then the others would start backing off. I think when the SEALs invaded the town that was the coolest sequence in a movie EVER.

[96B]

Overall it was a great movie, the town invasion with the silencers and sniping was awesome... personally my favorite character was Red (the guy that put the explosives in the transmitter etc). As with the tactics it seemed like they held their weapons at the hip way too much and didnt bring them up to the sights even with their M4s. I went in there expecting alot or at least some of them to get killed just because of the mass numbers of the enemy but the way some of them died kinda made me mad. I do think that the way they acted portrayed pretty much how they are in real life, not that ive really talked to that many SEALs, but one can assume that in combat they are very professional as with most of our SOF. Great movie and I will definately see it again soon!

[Apogee]

A friend of mine who is a former F-14 RIO (backseater) told me that Behind Enemy Lines represented Naval Personalities and emotions better then anyother movie he had seen. Just food for thought.

[Minjin]

good representation of naval personalities can't make up for some of the other problems of the film though...

But hell, I liked it. It was decent entertainment for me.

[Scrim]

What a load of ****e. Hollywood does it again. If youv'e been in the military don't bother, it will just piss you off.Its even worse than that piece of crap Behind Enemy Lines. The best part for me was when Bruce Willis wiped a tear from the female doctors face, the stranger sitting next to me in the theatre sighed "Jesus Christ!!" got up and left!!

[David]

so, bruce willis gets some fine ass women, and what do you get? the weird fat stranger guy sitting next to you that swears. besides, you should be more sensitive. think of the children.
of course i guess i should see the movie first.

[Scrim]

You mean children like you?

[David]

if you consider 18 a child.

[ilxAudrey]

Who gives a **** if the movie is good or not? Repeat after me: Monica Bellucci.

Monica.

Bellucci.

I'd do a ****ty Hollywood action movie too if it meant spending a few months on the set with her.

[Trigger]

Damn Scrim, if you want that much reality go watch a friggin' documentary! I thought T. O. S. was really good (except for the airstrike, they would've use cluster bombs) and yes...

Monica.

Belucci.

mmmmm....
p-)

[Minjin]

Well I thought the movie was excellent. Not only that, but for me it did what Antoine Fuqua wanted it to do. It wasn't intended as a gung-ho super-realistic Navy SEAL feel-all-warm-cause-it-exactly-mimics-real-ops movie. It was intended to a) entertain through the Military Action genre and b) enlighten the general public as to what goes on in Africa.

Great job on both counts, I say. I am no Naval Aviator, so I don't know what bombs they would drop, but if they were wrong, who cares, it was a spectacular explosion!!

And if that tear scene bothered you, I say get a grip, it was about half a second and more a background gesture. Calm down. If it bothers you that much, stop going to movies.

[redondomarine]

Well i saw the movie a few days ago. I say it is worth seeing. Im one of those guys who get a hard-on over weird things like weapons, and theres were pretty nice. As far as the the comander, Im expecting a court martial for his stupid decisions. Also why was the adiramal(I think that was his rank) on the flight deck while talking on the radio? Why not the com room? Also what kind of misiles are those the f-18 pilots fire? What did they do target on a single person and then some how make them explode like a cluster bomb?

By the way... brave heart is the best war movie ever. its been my favorite for years.

[Ratamacue]

Well, if he was using that type of radio, it probably wouldn't be effective unless you're outside.

The main reason he was on the deck instead of in the CIC though was for dramatic effect with the FA18's taking off in the background, from what I can see.

[96B]

If you want to talk about mistakes, in military movies one of the most common mistakes I have ever seen is the ordinance on aircraft in various scenes. For example, in Tears of the Sun when the air support launches, notice the F18s have nothing on their wings or underside, and in the computer generated scene, they have what looks to be like two harpoons each, and two sidewinders on the wingtips. The missiles they fired would probably have killed everybody similar to what happened in the movie but those missiles wouldnt have been the weapon of choice, although if they used cluster bombs it would have probably run the risk of killing the SEALs too. I dont know just food for thought guys.

[Trigger]

Yeah, I concur. Aircraft ordinance mistakes and 'endless ammo' are most common in movies. Outside scenes in T.O.S. were obviously for dramatic effect. As far as weapons missing on takeoff, then appearing later: they obviously had to use 'stock footage' of carrier launches. For the type of airstrike mission they were on (anti-personnel) they would've used either cluster bombs, or JDAM satellite guided (GPS) bombs, not what appeared to be HARM anti-radar missiles, but what can ya do? it's a movie.

[hood]

I think my favorite aspect of the movie was that they portrayed the SEALs as very good at what they do, but not beyond human. It's been stated endlessly in documentaries that SEAL teams aren't designed for large firefights. Their primary intent is to throw overwhelming firepower at the enemy, and then quickly withdraw. I'm glad they held to it, compared to that 'other' Navy SEAL movie with sheen in it.

[Kitsune]

Anyway...as far as Tears of the Sun is concerned, BBC critics tore the film apart...
But I guess that was to be expected.
But that will not stop me from seeing it. Bruce Willis in a great action movie again.
And I agree with iLXaudrey and trigger...
Monica Belucci is some fine specimen... hehe

So we will see. Perhaps the critics will like the next Willis movie, who knows?

p-)

[Minjin]

Isn't the next Willis flick the new Die Hard with Britney Spears playing his kid?

Anyway, saw the movie again. Kicked ass still, just like the first time. I came to the conclusion that: A) Cole Hauser ("Red") looks a lot like Tom Berenger in a few scenes, and is a pretty cool character, all things considered; and B) The dude with the mohawk is a lot better character than I expected a dude with a mohawk to be. C) VERY FEW PEOPLE CARE WHAT MISSILES A NAVAL AVIATOR FIRES AT A CROWD OF NIGERIAN REBEL TROOPS.

[Trigger]

On the plus side of movie accuracy, I have to give credit to T.O.S. for actually using a C-2 Greyhound aircraft for the HALO insert near the beginning of the movie. C-2s are capable of takeoff & landing from carriers and are the cargo haulers of the fleet. Anyway, nice detail

[hood]

Using anything less than a Daisy Cutter on those troops leaves me unsatisfied. rofl

[DownTown1]

I assume most everyone reading this post has seen the movie by now.

I thought the film was OK. Had some moving moments. Worth getting on DVD for sure.

Heres what a didnt like:

The way the SEALs pulled security on their Packages. They were way too close to them. Flank protection/screen and Pointman were not far enough from the packages to be useful. In one scene the packages were singing as they walked thru the jungle for christ sake! The only movie I've seen this done right was in Michael Mann's Last of the Mohicans.

The Carrying of 2 primary weapons. I'm not saying this wasnt done. But I think SEALS would want to carry less and be more mobile. The Pointman did look cool.

The scene with the pointman and the wild warthog/boar.
That pig would have either ran away or attacked the pointman not pass by him like he wasnt there.

After the Pointman takes a hit. The SEALS should have returned fire right away. Suppressive fire to keep the skinny's heads down while they recovered the pointman. Not wait till the rest of the Skinnes opened up on them before firing back.

The F18s should've dropped cluster munitions. It looked like they fired Rockets!?


Overall not a bad Action Flick. p-)

[96B]

MOABs should be standard air to ground ordinance rofl

I loved how when the shiat hit the fan at the ending battle the SEALs rushed the overwhelming enemy numbers and then peeled back which by the way Im pretty sure is a real maneuver. Red was also my favorite character although I did like the guy with the mohawk. Ive seen the movie three times and noticed new things everytime I saw it again. All the characters that survived at the end, had the biggest parts in the movie. The black guy, red, corpsmen, and Bruce were all the most emphasized on by the movie it seems. The characters of the other guys that died were not as drawn out.

[Trigger]

To capture all the desired elements, the film makers only have a narrow field of view depending on the lens they're using. I'm sure that's the reason for the SEALs being in so close to each other and the packages. Otherwise the camera would be panning back and forth across the badass jungle instead of showing the Badass SEALs steely determination. :D

I concur: Laser Guided MOAB, minimum. rofl

[Minjin]

There's also the fact that military realism wasn't Mr. Fuqua's goal. Considering this, it is really well done.

[...]

I was not going to see this movie but after ready a few comments I probably will. I had read the review in the New Yorker ( I don't really agree with them on anything so I guess I should see it) and they basically called it a feel good movie, actually the exact phrase was "Black Hawk Up."

[96B]

Do you guys think that in real life if a group of SEALs had been ordered to extract a single woman, they would disobey orders to rescue the refugees as well and jeopardize the lives of the men?

[redondomarine]

no, actually me and friends were discussing what he would be charged with.

[Ratamacue]

Yes. They are human, after all.

[Alleycat]

The real SEALs would put a sleeper hold on her and get her on the chopper. Instead of risking their lives. But I guess if they get to know the refugees and see what they have been through, then they would help them.

[Minjin]

Well not personally being a SEAL I won't disrespect them by hypothesizing what they would or would not do in a given situation. I will however point out a couple things. First, I doubt they would break a civilian's legs. Second, they are human at the end of the day. You can't turn that off at will. And third, it doesn't matter because it was a great movie.

[a. enders]

Have to agree with Minjin.I don't care if I'm some super-badass killin' machine warrior SEAL fella,anytime I'd have a choice of me rescuing a kid or letting them be torn apart or molested by some nutty rebel group ain't no choice at all.And as everyone in the military is a living breathing thinking person,I'd lay odds they'd help.And take the **** that hits,as well,be it court martial or keel-haul.

[redondomarine]

Its hard for me to say concidering i have never been in the situation before where i had to choose, but I will always put an american life over anyother. If that means that the the village will be slaughtered then that is the sad fact of life. The way is see it the men of the villiage best get ready to run or defend them selves.

[Ratamacue]

Pretty selfish if you ask me, redondo. I don't see any one nationality deserving life more than another.

[JiJoMacLE45]

Preservation of self and society right redondo?

I just got back from the theatre. I thought it could have been better had they developed the characters a little more. But overall I liked it.

[redondomarine]

I agree it is selfish, but another example is if i had to choose my mom to die or another person i have never met i will pick the other person. It is self preservation, its either them or us, and it isn't going to be us.

[Ratamacue]

The benefit of the many is greater than that of the few.

[hood]

well, I'll use this as the generic new movie thread... I just went and saw The Hunted.

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/71/84/32m.jpg

Yes it's just a long drawn out chase movie, but since we're all suckers for lots of military detail, I think there's a lot for enthusiasts to like in this movie if you leave your "well that was predictable" attitude at the door. Having practiced martial arts for a long time, I got a big kick out of the knife fighting scenes, of which there are many. I always give a thumbs up to movies that spend the time to make fight scenes as technically correct as they can.

[MinstrelBoy]

http://www.movieweb.com/movie/tearsofthesun/co4.jpg

oops,look at his aimpoint ;)

[Scrim]

Like I said, this movie suuucked.

[Vance]

http://www.movieweb.com/movie/tearsofthesun/co4.jpg

oops,look at his aimpoint ;)
I dont see anything

[FallenAngel]

Just my $.02 on the whole human vs. killing machine thing.

During the gulf war, there were instances where both American and British SF teams were discovered by children. (the British incident is "Bravo Two Zero " I believe. Saw a good BBC movie about it recently)

Rather that kill these Iraqi kids, the SF teams held their fire and were compromised. In the US incident, a 160th SOAR bird happene to be available and it picked up the US men, the Brits though, ended up loosing 3 men and four others captured.

So yes...they would risk their lives to spare innocents- to hell with whatever orders they may have. :)

[Ratamacue]

Vance - his Aimpoint it on backwards.

[USAF G]

Hood,
I heard that they practiced Kali for this film. What did you think about their skills? How about that badass Tom Brown knife? I haven't seen the movie yet, so I am encouraged by your review.

[Alleycat]

The aimpoint is probly on a swivel mount or something.

[Minjin]

I saw a US Army ad in a magazine once with a backwards aimpoint...there may be a reason?? the ad was a pic of two guys, one of which had the backwards optic

[hood]

USAF G, this is from an interview with Benecio Del Toro at ign.com. You were right about the Kali.

---
Q: We previously spoke with Tom Brown, the technical advisor on The Hunted. He said you would watch him, and almost duplicate the things that he did. What did you learn from him?

DEL TORO: Tom Brown's forte is tracking. I did very little tracking in this movie. I mean, Tommy Lee Jones was tracking me. I did more of the knife fighting. The knife fighting was mostly done by this guy names Tom Kier. There are a lot of Toms in this movie. (He laughs.) Someone would say, "Tom who? Tom Brown? Tommy Lee Jones? Tom Kier?"

So I did do lot. But I was with Tom more, the knife guy, doing that. It's a Filipino style of knife fighting called Escrima Kali, or something like that.
---

[USAF G]

That sounds great, it's a shame Benicio wasn't sure which style of Kali he was learning. It makes him sound like he doesn't care (which he may not, but I'd rather think he does).

[hood]

I really like the characters in his movies, especially in Way of the Gun. However, his extremely relaxed and layed back attitude in the movies, is magnified in that interview. I'm usually against having martial arts scenes done by non martial artist actors, but the Matrix and now this movie are showing that with good technical advisors, they can pull it off. I was watching Ebert and Roeper review this movie the other day, and Ebert had a great comment concerning the fighting. That it was clear that it was all gravity bound. There's no stunts where they're flying through the air like in the other recent movies where they're on wires. It kept the whole thing significantly more believable.

[MrGoingdown]

That sounds great, it's a shame Benicio wasn't sure which style of Kali he was learning. It makes him sound like he doesn't care (which he may not, but I'd rather think he does).

The knife fighting style is called Sayoc Sali.

[papabear]

Pretty selfish if you ask me, redondo. I don't see any one nationality deserving life more than another.

I don't think its a question of members of one nationality deserving life more than members of another--rather, it's more like this: "how are we to allocate our resources"? That is, do we have a greater duty to protect citizens of our community than non-citizens? Usually, with all other considerations being equal, the answer is yes. This is not to say that we do not have any obligation to protect non-citizens. In general, we should do what we can, when we can.

I know the basic plot of the movie, but I haven't seen it yet. Given that the military gave cooperation for the making of this movie, I wonder if it should be taken as an implicit endorsement of how the SEALS resolve the moral dilemma facing them? It does seem that since they are serving as agents of the government, they do not have the right to risk their lives and actions as they see fit, without the approval of legimate superiors. I don't know if they disobeyed any orders in order to do what they did--can anyone offer any insight on these questions?

[robwarrior]

Arent Soldiers suppose to fight for people who cannot fight for themselves? jus my 2 cents.

By the way Hood what Martial art do u practice? i havent seen the movie yet but im taking lessons here in the PI. on Kali escrima knife fighting and the arnis sticks :lol: the movie hasent come out here yet but since u mentioned its got some knife fighting and such ima go see it when it comes out here in the Philippines

[hood]

yeah you'd probably like it. I've done a bunch of different styles, but the one I stuck with the longest was Shaolin Kempo. It's a mix style of a bunch of different ones, with a 60-70 percent focus on Shaolin kung fu. The only thing that seemed a little strange in the movie, is that they were doing all these good moves, but they were passing up opportunities to do regular non-impressive moves that would have won the fight, but they didn't, just so they could do a more flashy maneuver. I'll chalk it up to movie flashyness, but it seemed a little odd.

They favored hand techniques to almost the exclusion of leg moves which ultimately would have put them at a disadvantage if they were fighting an opponent with a diverse fighting knowledge. It's best to be more rounded. I would equate it to a lot of Tae Kwon Do sparring matches where the 2 heavily padded guys kick each other endlessly, and if they get close at all, they push each other away so they can kick again. If my hand is less than a foot away from the guy's head, he's getting some palm time. I'm not going sacrifice a huge opportunity to win just so I can favor a leg technique instead.

[robwarrior]

Fallen angel, i saw that movie too it was really good!! specially the fire and movement thing they did when they where compromised i like the firefights in this movie better than the one in TOS, i jus bought the DVD a week ago. and isnt that guy who played Andy MCnab in the movie the same guy in Lord of the Rings? tho one who took the ring from that hobbit? i also noticed that Vitto Mortessen (not sure on spelling) was there the guy who played Master Chief in G.I. Jane.

[robwarrior]

thats y i dont like tae kwon do much. for me its all for sport u cant use em in the streets were it really counts. ah man a lot of flashy moves i hope not as flashy as the ones i see in chinese movies but they are entertaining though. :lol: in kali they teach us the simpler the moves the better theres another martial art here in the philippines i dunno if uve heard of it its called SARIAN (sah-ree-an) it emphasizes on street fighting its good to kinda like a mix of everything jeet kune do, kickbxing, kali etc. i saw this guy fight in the phil. version of the UFC on TV and he kicked as%!! his dicipline was Sarian.. Im currently reading Bruce Lee's book Tao Of Jeet Kune Do good book lotsa good stuff!! p-)

[Smoothie104]

Yeah, the Guy who played McNab (Sean Bean) was in Lord of the Rings.
He also played an SAS Wannabe in Ronin

Viggo Mortensen was the Master Chief in GI Jane

He was also in

Crimson Tide
Carlitos Way
Psycho in 1998
Young Guns II
The Prophecy,

among others

[Trigger]

Ronin kicked ass woot

[robwarrior]

oooh yah! the guy u came up wd a fu%$ up ambush plan!!

Btw have u guys seeen the movie FINAL OPTION? (Hong Kong flik)its a movie about the Hong Kong SDU (special duties unit) in the movie the went up against a rogue US Navy Seal unit.. movie was disapointing though coz they made the SEALS look like they ddnt know what they were doing while the SDU was very tactical in detail..

[robwarrior]

another movie i forgot to mention COUNTER FORCE staring Robert Patrick the guy who played the role of T1000 in T2.. good tactical movements and details on SWAT tactics.. in this movie they went up against the FBI HRT. ending kinda sucked though typical Hollywood ending.

[Bing]

Rob, i saw that movie a couple years agon when i used to live in Hong Kong, i didn't catch the title of the movie, but your description of the movie reminded me of it. IMO it was rather unrealistic, but the real SDU was trained by the SAS so you should give them some credit. What made it unrealistic IMO was that the SDU is strictly a CQB unit, i think there were several boat scenes and forest scenes in the movie where the SDU chased the SEAL team in. Also, wut was unrealistic was how the one cop just guessed it was a seal team based on "tactics" and execution of maneuvers. But it was entertaining and i'd love to get my hands on it again.

[papabear]

Rob, i saw that movie a couple years agon when i used to live in Hong Kong, i didn't catch the title of the movie, but your description of the movie reminded me of it. IMO it was rather unrealistic, but the real SDU was trained by the SAS so you should give them some credit. What made it unrealistic IMO was that the SDU is strictly a CQB unit, i think there were several boat scenes and forest scenes in the movie where the SDU chased the SEAL team in. Also, wut was unrealistic was how the one cop just guessed it was a seal team based on "tactics" and execution of maneuvers. But it was entertaining and i'd love to get my hands on it again.

I believe the name of that movie would be First Option, a prequel of sorts to Final Option.

[robwarrior]

yup!! thats it!! thats the movie!! the title is FINAL OPTION.. ure ryte abt SDU being a cqb unit there was a scene there where they assualted the island were the seals were hiding the gears they were wearing and guns they were carrying was cool.. but ending sucks.. but yes it is indeed entertainig!!

[robwarrior]

i think the US title of that is FIRST OPTION.. Here in the PI i see the same movie wd the title FINAL OPTION... :roll:

[papabear]

In my opinion, Final Option was the much better movie--dealt primarily with the "normal" duties of the SDU--going after bank robbers, gun runners, and the like. The latest in the series is A New Option--I haven't seen it yet, but have come across only bad reviews, although Hong Kong Movie Database does have one positive review: http://www.hkmdb.com/db/movies/reviews.mhtml?id=10202&display_set=eng. Makes one wonder if the upcoming Swat movie with Colin Farrell and Samuel Jackson will be any good.

[MK133]

Heat with De Niro

Ronin

Apocalypse Now (Uncut DVD)

The best Navy SEAL movie is indeed (The Finest Hour), sure it is cheesy but it is well done and has to do with the Gulf War I , you will enjoy!

[MK133]

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6302597706.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[redondomarine]

Does anyone besides me watch UFC or Pride? I didn't relize anyone on here fights. ATM Im training in submision wrestling. Every now and then UFC or Pride Fighters come in to train with my trainer. Needless to say I get spanked.

[JiJoMacLE45]

The Robert Patrick movie was called 'Rogue Force'.

There was also a movie called 'Goodbye America' about the US military closing down all of its bases in PI. The main characters are a couple of Navy SEALs deployed to Subic and one of SEALs kills a local raising the tensions. The ending was hokey, but the majority of the flick was pretty good.

And if anyone wants to see a good flick, check out 'Tigerland' with Colin Farrell about a bunch of recruits going through AIT prior to shipping out to Vietnam. Great movie.

[robwarrior]

Ey jijo, dat really a good movie?? (tigerland) I've been seeing that in video stores and i jus ignore coz it looks like a cheesy movie. but i'll pick it up later after work. "goodbye america" thats a pretty good movie except for the ending. the guy who played the rogue navy seal there was the guy in the "parker lewis cant loose " series. It was the Subic Naval Base that was closing down in the movie. I wish the bases never closed down here. its all becz of the polichickens here!! :bash:

[hood]

I'm sorry, but manly and Rob Lowe can't be in the same sentence. Look at his neck in that picture for Chrissakes!

[Vance]

Just look at his face in general...

[USAF G]

I'm sorry, but the Rob Lowe SEAL movie was one of the stupidist movies ever made. That truely is two hours of my life I will never get back. Navy Seals was way better and that's not saying much. TOS has the best SEAL action to date IMHO. Final Option was an entertaining movie and had some good tactics. No movie so far has gotter the military thing completely right, although some have come closer than others. I'm happy with the current trend of movies that are getting more and more accurate. Progress may be slow in Hollywood, but at least it's progress.

[robwarrior]

which one do u think is a lot worse? Navy Seals ( Charlie Sheen movie) or the Finest Hour?

[hood]

Navy SEALs, but only because the scene at the end with Martin Sheen and Charlie Sheen doing the "I am your father! NOOOOO!!!!" thing really was a turn off.