Questions on the Waffen SS Nationality.

[Alban]

Country/Ethnicity Estimated # of volunteers Waffen-SS Units
Albanian 3,000 21st SS Division
Belgian: Flemish 23,000 5th SS Div., 27th SS Div.

Belgium: Walloon 15,000 5th SS Div., 28th SS Div.
British Commonwealth (English) 50 British Freikorps

Bulgaria 200-1,000? Bulgarisches Reg.

Croatia (includes Bosnian Muslims) 30,000 7th SS Div., 13th SS Div.
23rd SS Div.
Denmark 10,000 Freikorps Danemark, 11th SS Div.

Indian 3,500 Volunteer Leg.

Estonia 20,000 20th SS Div.

Finland 1,000 Volunteer Bat.

Hungarians 15,000? 25th SS Div., 26th SS Div.
33rd SS Div.
Latvia 39,000 15th SS Div., 19th SS Div.

Netherlands 50,000 23rd SS Div., 34th SS Div.

Norway 6,000 5th SS Div., 6th SS Div.
11th SS Div., Volunteer Leg.

France 8,000 33rd SS Div.

Italy 20,000 29th SS (Italian)

Poland/Ukraine 25,000 14th SS Div.

Russian (Belorussia) 12,000 29th SS Div., 30th SS Div.

Russian (Cossak) 40,000 XV SS Kosaken-Kavallerie-Korps

Russian (Turkic) 8,000 Ostürkische SS , Tatarishe SS

Rumania 3,000? Waffen-Grenadierregiment der SS (rumänisches 1)

Serbia 15,000 Volunteer Corps

Spain 200 - 1,000? Spanische-Freiwilligen-Kompanie der SS 101

Sweden, Switzerland & Luxemburg 3,000?* 5th SS Div., 11th SS Div.
Note: W-SS veteran and historian Wilhelm Tieke claims only 175 Swedes served in the W-SS 1940-45 and that the "Swedish company" in the 11th SS actually had many "Estonian Swedes".

[Marmot1]

Poland/Ukraine 25,000 14th SS Div.

:bash: Any proof? about Poles in SS? Actually 14.SS Was composed of Ukrainians and was well know for it crimes agains Poles... So don't mix us with our opressors!!! :bash:

Names:
- SS-Freiwilligen-Division "Galizien"
- Galizische Division
- SS-Division "Galizien"
- SS-Schützen-Division "Galizien"
30.06.43 - 22.10.43 - [14.] SS-Freiwilligen-Division "Galizien"
22.10.43 - 27.06.44 - 14. Galizische SS-Freiwilligen-Division
27.06.44 - 12.11.44 - 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS [Galizische Nr. 1]
12.11.44 - 25.04.45 - 14. Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS
25.04.45 - 08.05.45 - 1. Ukrainische Division der Ukrainischen National-Armee

[Obergefreiter]

The 14nth was a Ukrainan Division of modest strength, not Polish.

[Alban]

The 14nth was a Ukrainan Division of modest strength, not Polish.

Sure that you are the expert....


http://www.feldgrau.com/poland.html

[intelligenzija]

maybe that would be interesting:
http://www.angelraybooks.com/diewehrmacht/heer/ot.htm
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=302
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS

[Obergefreiter]

Alban, never said I was an expert. WWII Weaponry and tactics for the German I would give anyone a run for their money, but the Waffen SS is not "my thing".

I read the link, but it gave no information as to Polish troops in the SS.

Feldgrau is a good source and I do not doubt that some Poles served with the Germans to a point, but I do not see any SS involvment.

(You would be spliting hairs to include people who were not Volksdeutch.)

[wholagun]

how the hell could slavs serve in the SS?

If Poles did serve, then they were traitors and thus not considered Poles. I know more then a few personal stories dealing with SS and my grandfolks.

[Obergefreiter]

There were Brits, an American, Kiwis, New Zealanders, Canadians, Croats, Albanians, French, Indians and damn near every other country in Europe that had troops in the SS.

When you are loosing the war and are out numbered 50-1, you start to forget about ethnicity. If they are willing to fight for you, you give them a gun and send them to the front.

Some countries saw these men as heroes, some as Villians. Depends on the reason for joining and where they fought.

Some were fighting for freedom, some against Communism, others were just thugs.

[Marmot1]

The 14nth was a Ukrainan Division of modest strength, not Polish.

Sure that you are the expert....


http://www.feldgrau.com/poland.html

Later there were SS Freiwilligenverbände (volunteers) from countries and regions such as Albania, Armenia, Australia (within the Britisches_Freikorps), Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Belorussia, Croatia, Denmark, Estonia, France, Finland, Georgia, Great Britain (Britisches_Freikorps), Hungary, India, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, New Zealand (within the Britisches_Freikorps), North Caucasus, Norway, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Spain, Sudetenland, Sweden, Switzerland and the Ukraine. (wikipedia)


see.. No poland... Of course there were Polish citizens (pre war) in Wermacht and maybe even SS but they were volksdeutches not native poles (There was 3million german minority in Poland... before WW2 ,as well large polish minority in germany,so many of them were drafted to wermacht as german citizens or volksdeutches But never any Polish SS unit was created.

And there is mentioned polish police cooperating with germany. Yes there was so called blue-police that was in fact pre war polish police and germans decided to keep that formation, their duty was purelly keeping order and fight ordinary criminals, also large number of them cooperated with polish underground at the same time. But this formation did strictly police job (well sometimes they were used by germans to fight partisants but usualy results were that they helped them... instead of fighting them

[mack pl]

Poland/Ukraine SS Division Buahahahahahah.In WW II this 2 nations were enemys dude.You dont know anything about "Wołyń"(i dont know how translate in english) ,yeah??Dude,there was only Ukrainian SS units, none Polish SS units were created by Germans.This Ukrainians are polish citizens before WW II.BTW internet its not the best sources to learn history.Books are better ;)

[volfram]

Only Pols consider by German as a volksdoutsch may serve in Waffen SS.Volksdoutsch was infact German citizen and like all citizens they have to serve either wehrmaht or waffen ss.Most of Pols become volksdoutsch against their will.Remember the one third of Poland till1918 was part of Germany.People who live there was german citizens till this time.

[SerbPVO]

This list is garbage!
There were NO Serbian SS units...the biggest SS units in the Balkans were of Croatia, Bosnia & Albania - the pro-fascist and axis countries.

[mack pl]

This list is garbage!
There were NO Serbian SS units...the biggest SS units in the Balkans were of Croatia, Bosnia & Albania - the pro-fascist and axis countries.Yeah,this list is ****.

[Obergefreiter]

This list is garbage!
There were NO Serbian SS units...the biggest SS units in the Balkans were of Croatia, Bosnia & Albania - the pro-fascist and axis countries.Yeah,this list is ****.

Why is the list ****? I read it twice and it does not list Serbs. I know of Albanian & Croat SS, but the Serbs were against the SS, and the SS did not like them.

The only thing with the list was that he didn't waste an hour listing EVERY country. I wouldn't spend the time either. It is a moot point.

I don't see why the list is bad.

[DE_Six]

There was no serbian Waffen SS unit as such. There was a Serbian Volunteer Corps that fought against communist partisans, but they were not a Freiwilligen unit. The Waffen SS tried to absorb it at the end of the war, but the officers refused.

A book was written about the SVC:

http://www.angelraybooks.com/books/axis/0017ae.htm

However, many Orthodox Serbian served in the 13. Waffen-Gebirgs-Division "Handschar", which was officially and nominally a Croatian unit (Kroat.Nr.1)

http://www.feldgrau.com/13ss.html

[Obergefreiter]

This division has the reputation for its mutiny as well. they were not well liked or well treated by the Germans. many were shot outright.

[mack pl]

This list is garbage!
There were NO Serbian SS units...the biggest SS units in the Balkans were of Croatia, Bosnia & Albania - the pro-fascist and axis countries.Yeah,this list is ****.

Why is the list ****? I read it twice and it does not list Serbs. I know of Albanian & Croat SS, but the Serbs were against the SS, and the SS did not like them.

The only thing with the list was that he didn't waste an hour listing EVERY country. I wouldn't spend the time either. It is a moot point.

I don't see why the list is bad.Well,if you mixed Poles and Ukrainians its stupid.Like I d said before,this 2 nations are enemys.So, this list is ****.Maybe only in that part,but if Alban want to give us some historical info he should check it twice before post something like that.Have a nice day :)

[mustamato]

That list is pure **** yes. I don´t see the point in even putting a number behind
each country if he is too lazy to do some research.

[UkrainianAmerican]

That list is pure **** yes. I don´t see the point in even putting a number behind
each country if he is too lazy to do some research.
You yourself are a nazi, so shut up.

[mack pl]

That list is pure **** yes. I don´t see the point in even putting a number behind
each country if he is too lazy to do some research.
You yourself are a nazi, so shut up.Calm down boys :)

[Commander Cool]

Quit saying ****, you ****ers, I am deeply offended by swearing.

And the list seems pretty accurate to me. I'm too lazy to search for sources though.