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Trident-za
04-04-2004, 06:16 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040404/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_23

Dammit... :(

scm77
04-04-2004, 06:24 PM
:( RIP

Skullknight
04-04-2004, 06:26 PM
Thus the uprising begins.

cut
04-04-2004, 06:26 PM
BBC says seven.. still, RIP

sign of things to come? :|

Skullknight
04-04-2004, 06:28 PM
7 in Sadr, 1 in Najaf = 8 killed by Shias
2 Marines killed elsewhere

10 KIA in 24 hours

mustamato
04-04-2004, 06:41 PM
Well, a sad day for many families, both in the US and other coalition countries,
but also in many Iraqi familis, many many protestors have been killed as well.

EvanL
04-04-2004, 06:43 PM
Well.please dont start. just refrain.

TALOS
04-04-2004, 06:45 PM
BBC says seven.. still, RIP

sign of things to come? :|
unless something can be done about the clerics, probably.
Is sad, men who are supposed to represent god and peace inciting to violence :( they have transgressed their own religion. (and yes, I know christian and jewish and orthodox leaders do as well)
Be interesting if they could take the pics of these peeps and compare them to secret police and army from Saddams regime, I bet you'd find a lot of matches.

wholagun
04-04-2004, 06:47 PM
yeah this is crazy, today was a **** storm in Iraq.

RIP to all the troops.

MVSpartan117
04-04-2004, 06:49 PM
RIP :(

LordHalbert
04-04-2004, 06:54 PM
And where was air support during all this?

No A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s or Apaches available ?

Seems like somebody messed up.

mustamato
04-04-2004, 06:59 PM
Well.please dont start. just refrain.

Like wtf? We are talkin about events IN IRAQ, this is not only a matter
for "USA and the friends in the coalition". Dozens of Iraqi citizens have been
killed in these clashes as well. Since the events is taking place in Iraq the problem
should be seen from a Iraqi point of view and not only silenced with a "RIP".


WASHINGTON (*******) - The Bush administration may have to consider extending its June 30 deadline for the transfer of sovereignty in Iraq or risk seeing the country lapse into civil war, the head of the U.S. Senate's foreign relations panel said on Sunday.

A serious situation indeed.


And where was air support during all this?

No A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s or Apaches available ?

Seems like somebody messed up.

http://*******.feedroom.com/ <-- I see a lot of ordinary Iraqis on these pictures,
they are not "terrorist shiite scum". But strafing them with A-10īs would be OK?

LordHalbert
04-04-2004, 07:02 PM
If they are engaged in hotile actions, they are combatants and subject to the rules of normal warfare - which includes strafing, bombing, and shelling.

Merik
04-04-2004, 07:03 PM
Well.please dont start. just refrain.

Like wtf? We are talkin about events IN IRAQ, this is not only a matter
for "USA and the friends in the coalition". Dozens of Iraqi citizens have been
killed in these clashes as well. Since the events is taking place in Iraq the problem
should be seen from a Iraqi point of view and not only silenced with a "RIP".


WASHINGTON (*******) - The Bush administration may have to consider extending its June 30 deadline for the transfer of sovereignty in Iraq or risk seeing the country lapse into civil war, the head of the U.S. Senate's foreign relations panel said on Sunday.

A serious situation indeed.


And where was air support during all this?

No A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s or Apaches available ?

Seems like somebody messed up.

http://*******.feedroom.com/ <-- I see a lot of ordinary Iraqis on these pictures,
they are not "terrorist shiite scum". But strafing them with A-10īs would be OK?

No but in any operation you are to have air support just in case a hornets nest is stirred up. The CAS would be used much like the Israelis do with thier Op's, not just to blow up anything thats down there. Think before you speak Mustamato.

Maverick77
04-04-2004, 07:07 PM
And where was air support during all this?

No A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s or Apaches available ?

Seems like somebody messed up.

how the **** did someone mess up

The U.S troops re took control of the police stations.

How is that a **** up

mustamato
04-04-2004, 07:08 PM
The CAS would be used much like the Israelis do with thier Op's

What the fokk are you saying? That Moqtada al-Sadr should get
a American Hellfire up his ass? What do you think would happen then?

SeanAshi
04-04-2004, 07:12 PM
Moqtada Sadr should not go unpunished.

Midav
04-04-2004, 07:15 PM
RIP

MARINO
04-04-2004, 07:42 PM
And where was air support during all this?

No A-10s, F-16s, AC-130s or Apaches available ?

Seems like somebody messed up.

In Spanish base in Nayaf(where an American Lieutenat have been killed RIP :( ) they have sent F.16, and two Apaches, and Spanish Cougar who was a MEDEVAC.

Kitsune
04-04-2004, 07:45 PM
This is damn serious.
These are Shiits, not Sunnits. If this is the beginning of a full blown Shiit insurrection, everything that has happened so far in Iraq will seem like a cakewalk compared to what is to come.
Hope and prey that this calms down.

to free the oppressed
04-04-2004, 07:54 PM
This **** must stop.
RIP heros.

SeanAshi
04-04-2004, 07:58 PM
Moqtada Sadr is inciting violence against the coalition, if it weren't for the coalition he and his shiites would still be oppressed by Saddam, if sure this was his plan to begin with.

Maverick77
04-04-2004, 08:00 PM
Seems more and more like a lot of iraqis are forgetting about Saddam and how they were liberated from him.

talib_killa34
04-04-2004, 08:08 PM
Sadr is going down.


:fork:

mustamato
04-04-2004, 08:17 PM
http://*******.feedroom.com

Look at "world news", then the video down there with the 3 American kevlar
helmets, from Sadrs meeting. One must admit that itīs rather catchy with all
the singing and chanting and all.

foxtrot023
04-04-2004, 08:18 PM
There was also confrontations between shiites and Italian/British troops.

regards

wholagun
04-04-2004, 08:25 PM
This is damn serious.
These are Shiits, not Sunnits. If this is the beginning of a full blown Shiit insurrection, everything that has happened so far in Iraq will seem like a cakewalk compared to what is to come.
Hope and prey that this calms down.

yeah lets hope it calms down real soon.

What worries me is that the Poles got the worst spot when it comes to Shiias, Karbalah and other holy Shiia sites. We have to let things play out and wait and see what happens.

Skaman
04-04-2004, 09:10 PM
RIP for all those who lost family members. Coalition, Salvadorian, and Iraqi.

He219
04-04-2004, 09:47 PM
Well said, ducimus19.

RIP
:(


Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr was responsible for the brutal murder of a rival cleric, Abdel Majid al-Khoei, who was stabbed to death by a mob in the Shia holy city of Najaf on April 10. Twenty-three (23) men who were involved in the killing gave confession to al-Sadr's involvement.

His following amongst Shiites is large, because Moqtada al-Sadr is the son of one of the most illustrious Shi'a religious families in Iraq, the al-Sadr family. His father, Ayatollah Muhammad Sadeq Al-Sadr, was assassinated together with two of his sons by the Saddam Hussein regime in 1999. After the death of his father, Moqtada became a student of Iranian Ayatollah Kadhem Al-Ha'iri. Aside from his native country, Iraq, Iran is the only other country Moqtada is familiar with.

On October 12, this firebrand cleric announced the formation of a 'shadow Iraqi government' during his weekly sermon in the town of Kufa.


"I have decided and I have formed a government made up of several ministries, including ministries of justice, finance, information, interior, foreign affairs, endowments and the promotion of virtue and prevention of vice"
Al-Sadr claims descence from Islam's 7th century Prophet Muhammad, a matter of distinction among Muslims. As such, he is referred to as ''al-sayed,'' or master, by fellow Shiites.

The coalition has long suspected his supporters of involvement in criminal acts, including the gruesome murder of the senior Shiite cleric last year in Najaf and a deadly ambush of U.S. troops last year in Baghdad.

This violence was due to the arrest of Mustafa al-Yacoubi, a senior al-Sadr aide, arrested Saturday, to face murder charges in connection with the April 10 killing of Abdel-Majid al-Khoai.

Al-Sadr has not called for armed resistance against U.S. forces, but in his latest Friday sermon he said he wanted to be the ''striking arm'' in Iraq of Hamas, a militant Palestinian group whose suicide bombings have killed hundreds of Israelis.

budanski
04-04-2004, 10:03 PM
http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG113_20040404112635.jpg

A demonstrator tries to contain the crowds during an anti-American protest in Baghdad, Iraq, Sunday April 4, 2004. (AP Photo/Murad Sezer)

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG115_20040404170943.jpg

Supporters of al-Sadr's self-styled militia, the al-Mahdi Army, walk towards Kufa, Iraq, Sunday April 4 2004. Gunmen opened fire on the Spanish garrison near the holy city of Najaf on Sunday during a huge demonstration by followers of an anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric. Four Salvadoran soldiers and at least 14 Iraqis died, and more than 130 people were wounded. (AP Photo/Khalid Mohammed)

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG123_20040404163635.jpg

American special forces join coalition soldiers as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of Najaf, Iraq, Sunday April 4 2004; Gunmen opened fire on the Spanish garrison near the holy city of Najaf on Sunday during a huge demonstration by followers of an anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric.One Salvadoran, one American, one Iraqi soldier and at least 14 Iraqis died, and more than 130 people were wounded. (AP PHOTO/Gervasio Sanchez) SPAIN OUT EFE OUT

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG122_20040404163512.jpg

American soldiers take cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of Najaf, Iraq, Sunday April 4 2004; Gunmen opened fire on the Spanish garrison near the holy city of Najaf on Sunday during a huge demonstration by followers of an anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric.One Salvadoran, one American, one Iraqi soldier and at least 14 Iraqis died, and more than 130 people were wounded. (AP PHOTO/Gervasio Sanchez)

http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG120_20040404161406.jpg

A Salvadorean soldier runs for cover as his base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of Najaf, Iraq, Sunday, April 4,2004. Gunmen opened fire on the Spanish garrison near the holy city of Najaf on Sunday during a huge demonstration by followers of an anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric. (AP PHOTO/Gervasio Sanchez) SPAIN OUT EFE OUT


http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/IRAQ.sff_BAG121_20040404160449.jpg

An American soldier runs for cover as the Spanish base comes under attack outside Kufa, 15 kms north of Najaf, Iraq, Sunday April 4 2004; Gunmen opened fire on the Spanish garrison near the holy city of Najaf on Sunday during a huge demonstration by followers of an anti-American Shiite Muslim cleric. (AP PHOTO/Gervasio Sanchez) SPAIN OUT EFE OUT

George W. Bush
04-04-2004, 11:00 PM
God damnit what the ****? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.

Sierra
04-04-2004, 11:00 PM
RIP :(

Merik
04-04-2004, 11:11 PM
Mustamato, wake up man. As soon as these people pick up weapons and start shooting at our troops and troops of other nations there then everything goes out the damn window. Those that have weapons are no longer civilians but armed combatants that can be dealt with under the rules of engagement. That goes for the people that are leading them and encouraging them to do this, such as al-Sadr. I say waste the mother f#@*er!

George W. Bush
04-04-2004, 11:15 PM
Those eight brave people need to be avenged ASAP.

xjym2002
04-04-2004, 11:17 PM
RIP for all the innocents.

Yard Ape
04-05-2004, 01:06 AM
http://www.imageshack.us/img2/1038/lest_we_forget1.GIF

RuSoKaR
04-05-2004, 01:23 AM
Mustamato, wake up man. As soon as these people pick up weapons and start shooting at our troops and troops of other nations there then everything goes out the damn window. Those that have weapons are no longer civilians but armed combatants that can be dealt with under the rules of engagement. That goes for the people that are leading them and encouraging them to do this, such as al-Sadr. I say waste the mother f#@*er!

And Coalition liberated them?

Just get out of the Iraq and let them make everything they want, but wait they might go against US and it's allies, they might go aside with the Iran.

Yard Ape
04-05-2004, 01:29 AM
And Coalition liberated them?

Just get out of the Iraq and let them make everything they want, but wait they might go against US and it's allies, they might go aside with the Iran.Or they might be ripped appart by a civil-war that slaughters thousands of civilians. They could be invaded by neighbour states (Turkey, Iran, etc) intrested in taking territory inhabbited by given ethnic groups. Saddam could br replaced by an equally brutal, rights violating, & terrorist friendly power. . . .

The list goes on. The US must stay until it has rebuilt Iraq to the point that it can manage its own affairs. That time has not come.

LordHalbert
04-05-2004, 01:30 AM
Well, no more of this "Hearts & Minds" cr@p. Some Iraqis just don't get it.

It's time to take the gloves off and stop trying to be so nice.

Say hello to my little friend:

http://www.deviarts.com/ac130.jpg

One?
04-05-2004, 02:16 AM
Muqatada sadr called for "terrorizing" the enemy after 2 protestors were killed yesterday. More and more civilians are dying for nothing. Yes I know its f**&& hard for the US troops to know whose friendly and whose not. But you think Iraqis care?

All they care about is civilians dying and they blame the US and coalition for it.

Sensahi it seems that you enjoy the death/killing of clerics.

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 02:28 AM
Does anyone of you know the word 'quagmire'?

This whole situation is not nearly as easy as especially Rumsfeld wants you to believe. Perhaps McCain's right after all that there aren't enough boots on the ground ... ?

mustamato
04-05-2004, 02:32 AM
Does anyone of you know the word 'quagmire'?

This whole situation is not nearly as easy as especially Rumsfeld wants you to believe. Perhaps McCain's right after all that there aren't enough boots on the ground ... ?

Could be some 150.000+ more "boots on the ground" if the US allowed the UN
to take over operations. Countries like in example India would deploy entire divisions
then, but they will not if they must be commanded by Americans.

Spooky
04-05-2004, 02:32 AM
Mustamato has a really good point. You can't just fire on a crowd of 1000 because there are 5 or 10 guys with rifles shooting at coalition troops.

This is the problem with urban warfare and it's the same one we encountered in Vietnam. Soldiers can't attack back because they'll hit non-coms. If soldiers fire and hit non-coms, then that just incites more violence elsewhere because al-Jazeerah gets ahold of the news and publicizes (out of context) that the U.S. is killing innocent civies.

It's a lose - lose situation and it's not going to be solved by "more fire power". I pray to god that half the people in here who advocate strategies of unrestricted retaliation aren't actually IN the military!

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 02:45 AM
But you won't get a UN mandate if it's only intended to give the Bush government legitimation for its actions in Iraq and not really involve the other countries on a 'high' level (politics, military, civil administration, etc)

Looks like the US have to clean the mess up alone. Spain will probably call back its troops in June, Thailand and Honduras indicated the same, South Korea and Japan don't want to be in 'hotspots', ...

But at least the Solomon Islands will remain in the 'Coalition' ;)

Spooky
04-05-2004, 02:50 AM
All together, Spain, Honduras, Thailand, make up about 2000 troops. Sorry, but they won't be missed.

They're mostly there to make this seem like a truly "international" coalition.

There are also plans to send a great deal more American troops into Iraq. If we increase the number to around 300,000 there will be much fewer problems....

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 02:52 AM
I agree that they won't be missed militarily! But it doesn't bode well for UN support.

This 'international' coalition was rhetoric from day one. It was the US and the Brits. Maybe Australia ...

I'm curious how the US will solve this Iraq thing

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 03:17 AM
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/unwind5/Un-Flag-250.jpg

mustamato
04-05-2004, 03:20 AM
So Vietnam.

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 03:25 AM
very constructive message, George ... just like you real life 'hero' ...

Ichhabe
04-05-2004, 03:31 AM
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/unwind5/Un-Flag-250.jpg

http://nerv-un.net/~black/images/funny/headass.jpg

Is this your normal position???

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 03:40 AM
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/unwind5/Un-Flag-250.jpg

http://nerv-un.net/~black/images/funny/headass.jpg

Is this your normal position???

Troll.

Ichhabe
04-05-2004, 03:52 AM
No, that was you with your head up where the sun don't shine.

This is a troll.
http://www.columbian.com/outerlimits/troll.jpg

FinnishMF
04-05-2004, 06:15 AM
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/unwind5/Un-Flag-250.jpg
wake up

Tengu
04-05-2004, 06:46 AM
RIP


but also in many Iraqi familis, many many protestors have been killed as well.That does make me feel a bit better.

AirZone
04-05-2004, 07:34 AM
RIP


but also in many Iraqi familis, many many protestors have been killed as well.That does make me feel a bit better.

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 08:01 AM
My source says that the eight soldiers were killed when the ICDC and IP personnel they were with opened fire on them.

Haiw
04-05-2004, 08:03 AM
My source says that the eight soldiers were killed when the ICDC and IP personnel they were with opened fire on them.

http://img38.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Haiwtje/horseass.jpg

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 08:07 AM
Thanks for the constructive input, commie-boy.

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 08:09 AM
are there only children like George W. posting in here?

Haiw
04-05-2004, 08:09 AM
You're welcome looney-wing anti-everything commiephobic xenophebic low-intelligence militia member.

Haiw
04-05-2004, 08:10 AM
Nah...he's a bit of a rotten apple.

Truthsayer
04-05-2004, 08:19 AM
About GWBs and his posts: where are all the moderate americans when he posts his crap?

"You are either with him or against him."



Reading more about what is going on, continiusly, in Iraq now...this is going bad really fast. :|

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 08:37 AM
About GWBs and his posts: where are all the moderate americans when he posts his crap?

"You are either with him or against him."



Reading more about what is going on, continiusly, in Iraq now...this is going bad really fast. :|

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 08:42 AM
GWB: your answer makes it very clear what kind of person you are.

And if you think arguing is like being a retard, why are you still here?

Haiw
04-05-2004, 08:49 AM
About GWBs and his posts: where are all the moderate americans when he posts his crap?

"You are either with him or against him."



Reading more about what is going on, continiusly, in Iraq now...this is going bad really fast. :|
You're not being entirely fair to the Americans here...lots of them have voiced their 'feelings' about his presence...

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 08:58 AM
About GWBs and his posts: where are all the moderate americans when he posts his crap?

"You are either with him or against him."



Reading more about what is going on, continiusly, in Iraq now...this is going bad really fast. :|
You're not being entirely fair to the Americans here...lots of them have voiced their 'feelings' about his presence...

Good point! Remember that around 45% percent of American voters voted for Gore in 2000.

Haiw
04-05-2004, 09:06 AM
Am I the only one who fails to see the relevance of that fact?

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 09:08 AM
I thought Gore got more votes than Bush? So then, using your logic, the US are a country where the majority are retards? Is that what you wanted to say?

George W. Bush: 50,456,002 votes
Al Gore: 50,999,897 votes

HELEX
04-05-2004, 09:12 AM
Many americans here seem to forget they are there to help the Iraqis...

They are talking about retaliation on unrelated children and Women. :cantbeli:

Haiw
04-05-2004, 09:13 AM
As much as I hate to say it...HELEX does have a point.

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-05-2004, 09:14 AM
About GWBs and his posts: where are all the moderate americans when he posts his crap?

"You are either with him or against him."



Reading more about what is going on, continiusly, in Iraq now...this is going bad really fast. :|

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg

Grow up and quit posting pics like the above, you never know, your first kid could be retarded.

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 09:16 AM
wasn't the first reason to send the soldiers there WMD?

helping the Iraqis only came up later, when the WMD claim fizzled.

but I agree that now they're there they have to help them and they have to find a different solution than only bombing the suspected bad guys. That'll only provoke more bloodshed.

Soulhunter
04-05-2004, 09:17 AM
bac: that probability is quite high since GWB (the poster here) himself seems a bit retarded ....

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-05-2004, 09:21 AM
Many americans here seem to forget they are there to help the Iraqis...

They are talking about retaliation on unrelated children and Women. :cantbeli:
Yep we are there to bring democracy and peace not hose all and sundry down with 20mm cannon fire, I really worry about some forum members interpretation of the word peace, we are not there to kick everyones ass and there is no payback to be handed out for past misdeeds.

Skullknight
04-05-2004, 09:24 AM
13 KIA now.

n_shanygin
04-05-2004, 11:56 AM
RIP :(

Argyll
04-05-2004, 12:49 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

Imshi-Yallah
04-05-2004, 01:02 PM
Here we go, cowards are people who take refuge in blind beliefs instead of thinking and accepting hard truths

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 01:07 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

******, ******, ******, dune coon, raghead, camel-jockey.

cut
04-05-2004, 01:10 PM
are doing a sixgun and turning psycho on us then?

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 01:10 PM
NO!! I want you to ban me! Ban my IP damnit!

Argyll
04-05-2004, 01:11 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

******, ******, ******, dune coon, raghead, camel-jockey.

I hope you are real proud of that ,it's enough to get you slung you idiot,what a real mature way in which to respond.Pathetic little POS is what you really are............instead of acting so full of testoserone go and join up if you have the balls ..........loser

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 01:11 PM
Look just BAN ME you bloody ******!

cut
04-05-2004, 01:11 PM
:backhand:

George W. Bush
04-05-2004, 01:12 PM
HELLO?

Seoulstriker
04-05-2004, 01:13 PM
Grow up and quit posting pics like the above, you never know, your first kid could be retarded.

yeah, really. :| one problem with one sperm with improper sister-chromatid separation and your kid is trisomy-21. :| i don't think that deserves mocking. :|

cut
04-05-2004, 01:15 PM
Grow up and quit posting pics like the above, you never know, your first kid could be retarded.

yeah, really. :| one problem with one sperm with improper sister-chromatid separation and your kid is trisomy-21. :| i don't think that deserves mocking. :|

is that gobledygook for downs syndrome?

woohoo I'm right woot (just went back to see what you were talking about)

2Sheds_Jackson
04-05-2004, 01:21 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

I think that people firing from within a group of "non-combatant" women & children are cowardly. They didn't take the fight to us, they walked up hidden in a group & attacked while counting on our RoE to save them. I'd call them cowards for sure.

"We shoot at you, you can't shoot back - ha ha" This unbalances combat, allowing them to face less risk. Were they not afraid (cowardly) they would have attacked openly, without the group.

Hey, we agree to certain rules, even in combat - uniforms, not deliberately shooting at non-combatants etc. They count on us to obey the rules, while ignoring them themselves. Cowards.

Argyll
04-05-2004, 01:29 PM
My apologies,I was refering to the open engagements,where guys are taking up fire positions away from the crowds.

Those who use human shields are impossible to stop without ROE's being violated.Why the hell were they allowed to form this militia in the 1st place.

Yes those who use others to protect them from return fire are indeed cowards.

I should have clarified myself better.

Beowulf
04-05-2004, 01:34 PM
Look just BAN ME you bloody ******!

Fine.

Beowulf
04-05-2004, 01:36 PM
I'm locking this thread for a while. GWB do not make any more posts. If you want you may PM me or any other moderator.

Beowulf
04-05-2004, 01:48 PM
okay GWB has been banned.

I will say it again: Of course racist comments will not be tolerated. Neither will broad unfounded negative generalizations about a country, her citizens, or leadership.

Just b/c you disagree with someone politically does not mean they are stupid/ignorant. If you feel strongly about something then do the research and bring some facts and intelligent discussion to this message board.

"hehe your president looks like a monkey", or "y'all are all bunch of commies" does not qualify and will not be tolerated. I'm really tired of these people and their pithy one liners.

Post something intelligent or keep your damn meatbeaters off the keyboard.

-b

OldRecon
04-05-2004, 01:53 PM
Many americans here seem to forget they are there to help the Iraqis...

They are talking about retaliation on unrelated children and Women. :cantbeli:

Well, if it had been that simple.
Things in a conflict as in Iraq can in fact be rather more blurred.

Not that my experience in Lebanon some while back can be all that much compared with the experiences of today in Iraq, but during my time "down there" an American missionary, named Robinson, running an orphanage in a village called Rachaya le Foukar was assasinated (shot with a silenced pistol) by fighters from LCP (Lebanese comminst party). The events leading up to this murder is a quite long story (maybe get Citizen-K or someone else with local connections to tell that one), but one interesting element of the assasination itself, was the fact that the telephone line, running directly from the Orphanage to a local Norbatt platoon HQ, had been cut by someone among the local population shortly before the LCP people arrived to carry out the killing.
Now were those that cut that telephone line to be regarded as civilians, as they perhaps were unarmed at the time they did their part of the job?
Certainly you can't view them as entirely free of guilt (or???)???
Guess the soldiers of the coalition have to deal with a lot of similar scenarios (though in other forms) at present in Iraq :|.
A predominant scenario of that sort perhpas being young unarmed kids working as scouts/lookouts for the big guys with the hardware.
Though those kids perhaps are only 7 or 12, if the information they provide lead to an ambush where someone get hurt or killed, are they still to be regarded as free of guilt because of their age?
Yet for being involved in one incident, are they to be considered overall bad?
Now put yourself on an Iraqi street with that sort of moral question rumaging around between your ears, and try to discern how you would handle it.
It's quite easy to resort to the Calley option isn't it??
So it's simply not that simple.
Not being involved in one incident doesn't mean someone can not be involved in another. It all depends.
There's a lot of grey overlaps in a war like at present in Iraq.

Merik
04-06-2004, 12:20 AM
Helex, I dont think anyone has been discussing killing the "innocent" civies here or non-coms. We are talking about taking out the non-coms that pick up weapons and are no longer "innocents." Do a little more reading before that thing you call a mouth opens again.

Haiw
04-06-2004, 07:01 AM
"hehe your president looks like a monkey", or "y'all are all bunch of commies" does not qualify and will not be tolerated. I'm really tired of these people and their pithy one liners.
Feel free to call our 'great leader' a pathetic Harry Potter lookalike. :D

Mr Gently Benevolent
04-06-2004, 07:06 AM
Ours is a deranged ego maniac, problem is deranged ego maniac's always get 2nd and 3rd terms. :)

Haiw
04-06-2004, 07:23 AM
This one's already on his second term. But that's just because his first term only lasted less than a hundred days. :lol:

NcDeuce
05-30-2004, 07:21 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

******, ******, ******, dune coon, raghead, camel-jockey.

You deserve a swift kick to the nuts. Not only do you bring shame upon yourself, but you bring shame to our nation. I am so glad you aren't in the military. Go play 'secret society' somewhere else.

usa320
05-30-2004, 10:32 PM
RIP.

This Sadr really needs to die.

Shooting at our guys is bad enough.

But claiming a cease-fire and then shooting at our guys is completely and utterly dishonorable. He should be shot dead.

American Patriot
05-30-2004, 10:34 PM
This post is from a 2 months ago

usa320
05-30-2004, 10:43 PM
who the **** kicked it up?

EvanL
05-30-2004, 10:52 PM
God damnit what the f***? Eight U.S. Army killed? RIP. Cowardly Islamist militant bastards.


Cowards do not take the fight to their enemies like these guys did.

Your tirade of abuse here and in other threads has bordered on the warning stage,do us all a favour .........think before you open your asshole to speak.

******, ******, ******, dune coon, raghead, camel-jockey.

You deserve a swift kick to the nuts. Not only do you bring shame upon yourself, but you bring shame to our nation. I am so glad you aren't in the military. Go play 'secret society' somewhere else.
Thanks for bringing up a 2month old thread NcDouche

NcDeuce
05-31-2004, 02:00 PM
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that was against forum rules. :cantbeli:


free as a bird- Lynard Skynard

rofl Yeah, go work on your music department.

ZeroPositive
05-31-2004, 02:21 PM
lol didn't know this was a 2 month old post....
shows same old **** different packaging...
hahahaha
RIP to all those who have died in this conflict may they be allied or Iraqi.

anonymous individual
05-31-2004, 03:40 PM
Rest in Peace.

SpazzMunky
05-31-2004, 04:07 PM
RIP

Just like this thread should be doing.