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hist2004
09-11-2006, 06:59 PM
September 11, 2006

The Real Jack Bauers
There are real reasons we haven’t been attacked again.

By Peter Kirsanow

The United States hasn’t been hit by a terrorist attack in five years — about five months longer than most had predicted immediately after 9/11.

Vice President Cheney often reminds that this record isn’t an accident. There are a number of reasons why we haven’t been hit. Some of the reasons we know about: the efforts of the military in Afghanistan and Iraq; the Patriot Act; generally heightened security; the SWIFT program; NSA surveillance; intelligence coordination with allies, etc. Other reasons are less discernable.

President Bush indicated that many of the victories against terrorists would be hidden from view; they will never be recorded in history. Many of these victories have been won by the military’s elite units — special-forces/counterterrorism units and others that the media knows little, if anything about. Indeed, Kiefer Sutherland got more coverage in five minutes at the Emmys than all of the Rangers, Green Berets, Marine Force Recon, SEALs / DevGru, and Delta operators combined.

And that’s as it should be. Very little public information is available about elite warriors so that terrorists are kept in the dark until it’s too late. Most of what the general public knows or suspects about elite forces comes from fictional accounts in movies, television shows or novels. Sure, lots of people know or have met Green Berets or SEALs, particularly people living near the southern Virginia and southern California coasts or in central North Carolina (it’s fairly certain, however, that every woman in the U.S. who’s ever set foot in a local watering hole has met a SEAL, who’s usually using the ingenious cover of a slightly overweight sales rep from Cleveland). Videos about SEAL and Green Beret physical training are a cottage industry. And there are several books by former Special Forces operators. But none of these accounts provides more than a non-classified peek into the training, techniques, and operations of elite warriors. Yet what the peeks reveal is astonishing nonetheless.

The superhuman physical conditioning of special-forces personnel is legendary. Anyone who’s worked out with elite athletes such as pro-football players or Olympians on the one hand and Rangers and SEALs on the other will tell you there’s no comparison — not even apples and oranges. Put your money on a SEAL breezing through a month of two-a-days at any pro football training camp versus a pro-football player surviving just a couple of days of SEAL training.

Interminable running, incessant push-ups, and spine-fusing overhead presses are standard features of special-forces PT. Each unit, however, has its own peculiar brand of hell. Stress fractures from Delta’s nonstop 40 mile marches with 50 pound rucksacks and hypothermia from the SEALs’ repeated nighttime immersions in frigid surf require team members to transcend ordinary limits of human pain and endurance. At the Delta, SEAL and Force Recon levels it’s less about physical invincibility than about extraordinary mental discipline.

There are plenty of tough, brave, superbly conditioned soldiers among the roughly 1 million U.S. Army personnel on active duty and in the Guard and reserves. Yet fewer than 4000 are Green Berets. And only a handful are Delta operators.

The latter cohorts must not only possess exceptional physical prowess but have the reflexes, instincts, intelligence, and presence of mind to make multiple rapid fire judgments under impossible circumstances with absolutely no margin for error. They’re experts in demolition, surveillance, escape and evasion, hand-to-hand combat, infiltration, hostage rescue — i.e., every aspect of counterterrorism. They can handle the most exotic weapons imaginable, several adapted specifically for their use. They’re the most lethal individuals on the planet. And among the most level-headed, dedicated, and trustworthy.

Although their operations are clandestine, it’s widely acknowledged that forces such as Delta and the SEALs played crucial roles in Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Given the nature of the threat of terrorism, it’s likely that there are numerous other operations around the world in which special forces are presently engaged. Since their operations are largely classified, we won’t know when one of them has made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Someone will be missing from Coronado or Ft. Bragg, but we won’t know who or why, and we won’t get a chance to thank him. It happens with enough frequency that funds such as the Special Operations Warriors Foundation have been established to assist the children of fallen elite warriors.

While it may be apocryphal, Winston Churchill is often quoted as having said (supposedly paraphrasing Orwell) “We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” We owe it to these gentlemen not to take for granted the undisturbed sleep we’ve enjoyed the last five years. Without them we might not have been so fortunate.

— Peter Kirsanow is a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. He also is a member of the National Labor Relations Board. These comments do not necessarily reflect the positions of either organization.

Source: (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTE3MjRiYmU1OTNlMWI3OWEyMjcwM2ViZTZjYWM5YWQ)

Hist2004

Aces&Eights
09-11-2006, 07:12 PM
Too bad Iraq had absolutley nothing to do with 9/11.

MoFo
09-11-2006, 07:49 PM
Great first post there...

MEGR
09-11-2006, 09:38 PM
Too bad Iraq had absolutley nothing to do with 9/11.

Your post had nothing to do with the article.

I think this article is kind of giving us what we already know. It's great however to shed a light on these types of units and how they're secretly adding their skills to the GWOT without giving specific details.

Secret Squirrel
09-11-2006, 09:44 PM
Your post had nothing to do with the article.

I think this article is kind of giving us what we already know. It's great however to shed a light on these types of units and how they're secretly adding their skills to the GWOT without giving specific details.

"Vice President Cheney often reminds that this record isn’t an accident. There are a number of reasons why we haven’t been hit. Some of the reasons we know about: the efforts of the military in Afghanistan and Iraq; the Patriot Act; generally heightened security; the SWIFT program; NSA surveillance; intelligence coordination with allies, etc. Other reasons are less discernable."

Yea that comment had nothing to do with the article [/sarcasm]. Just another pug trying to tie it all together, hoping people will swallow this load of bu**** whole.;) I love the fly paper theory...too bad it doesnt work.;) Anyone want to buy a magic rock and keeps tigers away?

MEGR
09-11-2006, 09:48 PM
He was saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not arguing with that, but the article doesn't say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Just that actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prevented another attack after 9/11. Argue all you want about that. ;)

Hunterhr
09-11-2006, 10:14 PM
"Drop The Gun!"

:)

Mr.K
09-12-2006, 12:08 AM
He was saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not arguing with that, but the article doesn't say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Just that actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prevented another attack after 9/11. Argue all you want about that. ;)
According to you, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan make the USA and americans safer? (not a flame, just a question)

2Sheds_Jackson
09-12-2006, 12:09 AM
He was saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I'm not arguing with that, but the article doesn't say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. Just that actions in Iraq and Afghanistan prevented another attack after 9/11. Argue all you want about that. ;)

Oh, don't waste your time pointing out facts. For the blame-America-first'ers, it goes like this; Islamic terror attacks are all isolated incidents, and we invaded Iraq under the false pretense of "getting" somebody responsible for 9/11. Of course neither is true, but the fantasy world they've constructed for themselves is far more cozy than the complicated and unpleasant real world. Thankfully adults are in charge for the moment anyway. We may go back to hand jobs, interns and dereliction of duty soon enough.

MEGR
09-12-2006, 12:20 AM
According to you, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan make the USA and americans safer? (not a flame, just a question)

I never said that, or was trying to make that point. I don't know if they make us safer or not. I don't have access or a detailed overview of everything that is going on. We haven't been attacked, and that's a good thing. Why haven't we been attacked? I have no clue why. Is it due to all the measures (including Iraq and Afghanistan) that were put in place, or is it that the terrorists are just biding their time. Nobody on this forum knows why we have not been attacked. It's basically up to us to just believe or mistrust the people who hold the information and present it.

LRPV
09-12-2006, 12:20 AM
I'm betting 2sheds is not a Democrat. Personally, I like the idea of a cigar and an intern....:)

Hollis
09-12-2006, 12:23 AM
I'm betting 2sheds is not a Democrat. Personally, I like the idea of a cigar and an intern....:)


"Monica, Monica honey when your done, would you get me a ceegar" B. Clinton Oval office 1998

2Sheds_Jackson
09-12-2006, 10:05 AM
I'm betting 2sheds is not a Democrat. Personally, I like the idea of a cigar and an intern....:)

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for stickin' it to the help, if that's your thing...but not while on the clock.

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 01:59 PM
"Monica, Monica honey when your done, would you get me a ceegar" B. Clinton Oval office 1998you forgot something.....he did say that to monica, BUT he said that while he was listening to Rush "Laimbrain" Limbaugh.

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 02:00 PM
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm all for stickin' it to the help, if that's your thing...but not while on the clock.
Why not...it makes it more exciting!!!

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 02:04 PM
Oh, don't waste your time pointing out facts. For the blame-America-first'ers, it goes like this; Islamic terror attacks are all isolated incidents, and we invaded Iraq under the false pretense of "getting" somebody responsible for 9/11. Of course neither is true, but the fantasy world they've constructed for themselves is far more cozy than the complicated and unpleasant real world. Thankfully adults are in charge for the moment anyway. We may go back to hand jobs, interns and dereliction of duty soon enough.
Ok 2Sheds...you are right about the gripe about the terrorists, but please do not condemn the man for having nonsex and oral hygine with cigars while on the phone with Newt Genghrich. He should get a medal for that instead.

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 02:21 PM
On a more serious note...this war on terrorism has no easy anwsers. This war is unlike anything ever fought in modren history. Sure IEDs were used in WWII, and sure insurgent warfare has been around since the dawn of warfare, but the scope and scale of whats happening has never been seen before. Each day, terrorists get more and more creative in their ways of attacks,with each being more spectacular than the rest. See, in the war we are in now, it is hard to fight because we are now fighting more than just soldiers,we are fighting ideas and an enemy that has blurred the lines between international boundries. We are also fighting whole populations where there is few jobs, little money, illegal narcotics are rampant, and where there are a few relgious extremist who feed of the misery and poverty of these people, making it easy to recruit members. See to win this war, we do not need to bash Iraq,the US or the people fighting against us. We need to win the respect, and the hearts and minds to defeat these insurgents.

seraosha
09-12-2006, 02:54 PM
We need to win the respect, and the hearts and minds to defeat these insurgents.

I agree 100%.
And the only thing these dirtbags respect is superior firepower, better target aquisition, and elimination of all threats.

Until there is no enemy, but Peace.

renegade
09-12-2006, 04:17 PM
September 11, 2006

The Real Jack Bauers
There are real reasons we haven’t been attacked again.

By Peter Kirsanow

The United States hasn’t been hit by a terrorist attack in five years — about five months longer than most had predicted immediately after 9/11.

We have been getting hit daily for the past several years, to the tune of 2500+ dead and 20,000 casualties. Remember the "fight them here, or fight them over there". Well are Military is taking it on the chin, on our behalf, over there.

Here are a few more non-Iraq attacks against the United States he seems to have missed:

September 12, 2006 - Gunmen attack U.S. Embassy in Damascus (okay, this was a day after he wrote the article).

November 9, 2005 - Al Qaeda suicide bombers hit three American hotels in Amman Jordan, 57 killed.

December, 2004 - Al Qaeda terrorists attack the US Consolate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, 5 killed.

May-June, 2004 - Al Qaeda series of attacks on oil company facilities in Khobar, Saudi Arabia and Western residential areas as well as kidnapping and beheading of American Paul Johnson, 25 killed.

June 14, 2002 - Al Qaeda bombing at US Consolate in Karachi, Pakistan, 12 killed.

renegade
09-12-2006, 04:21 PM
We need to win the respect, and the hearts and minds to defeat these insurgents.

That is a surefire failure if I ever saw one. We need to kill them. That is what we need to do.

TheKrautinater
09-12-2006, 07:38 PM
See, in the war we are in now, it is hard to fight because we are now fighting more than just soldiers,we are fighting ideas and an enemy that has blurred the lines between international boundries.

Jeez, sounds like im watching V for Vendetta, "and ideas are bulletproof"

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 10:42 PM
Jeez, sounds like im watching V for Vendetta, "and ideas are bulletproof"Yes, ideaolgy is bullet proof. If you fight against a well motivated,well funded,well supported oppenet, then there is no stopping them. And yes, these insurgents are well motivated,well funded and very much supported by the local populations.

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 10:53 PM
That is a surefire failure if I ever saw one. We need to kill them. That is what we need to do.The more you kill,the more you destroy, the more they become motivated to carry out strikes against us. It is attitudes like the one I quoted here that will lose this war. These guys are waging a war over religous ideas. And, because it is ideaolgy, that is hard to counter. You have to defeat the conditions that made these people become so motivated to fight. (good anology is this...if you take the psychological reasons away to fight, 1/2 of the battle is over) These people in that country are poor. They have little or no out side contact with other parts of the world. They listen very hard to corrupt clerics who feed their minds with visions of fun and salvation, feeding the need to change the situation they are in, and there you go, a recipie for disaster. See, military power can only do so much before you piss the locals off and they turn against us. And kill kill kill is a attitude westren armies are being defeated by.:bash: :-*$ :backhand: :fork:

8thidpathfinderpower
09-12-2006, 10:55 PM
That is a surefire failure if I ever saw one. We need to kill them. That is what we need to do.
You catch more flies with honey, than smashing them with a buick.:hug:

Hunterhr
09-12-2006, 11:03 PM
You catch more flies with honey, than smashing them with a buick.:hug:

I don't know about a Buick, but I'll take the windshield of my Taurus over honey any day... :)

renegade
09-13-2006, 10:44 AM
The more you kill,the more you destroy, the more they become motivated to carry out strikes against us. It is attitudes like the one I quoted here that will lose this war.

I have an open mind, so please name one country where they were killing and blowing us up on a regular basis and by not killing them, they decided to respect us, and we then won their hearts and minds and we all lived happily ever after.