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pipaz
09-11-2006, 07:33 PM
some short videos

http://www.63padobranska.co.yu/video/Spot1.WMV
http://www.63padobranska.co.yu/video/Spot2.WMV

TaurunumBoys1987
09-11-2006, 08:08 PM
Repost but excellent anyways, most respected and proven ex-Yu unit.

pipaz
09-11-2006, 08:51 PM
sry if there is a video or a pick its most likley in this forum :)

spin
09-12-2006, 02:59 AM
Repost but excellent anyways, most respected and proven ex-Yu unit.


I really dont want the flame war, but could you specify in what battles brigade participated to be proven?
If you ofcourse mean SFRY. If you mean SRY than it is ok, i can't say anything.
But if you mean SFRY than 63.pbr is not most proven brigade, cos it does not have experiance in battle that some croatian and bosnian brigade do.
NHF, just a remark.

Lokos
09-12-2006, 03:31 AM
But if you mean SFRY than 63.pbr is not most proven brigade, cos it does not have experiance in battle that some croatian and bosnian brigade do

Ever heard of the 'vikendovci'?

Nonetheless, you're right, the 63a did not participate in the Bosnian/Croat wars as a unit. In the Kosovo War it fought brilliantly (rather, its detachments did).

Lokos

CyberSpec
09-12-2006, 04:43 AM
I really dont want the flame war, but could you specify in what battles brigade participated to be proven?
If you ofcourse mean SFRY. If you mean SRY than it is ok, i can't say anything.
But if you mean SFRY than 63.pbr is not most proven brigade, cos it does not have experiance in battle that some croatian and bosnian brigade do.
NHF, just a remark.


They were based in airbases wherever the fighting took place at the start of the war 1991/92

Cerklje (Slovenia)...Pleso (Zagreb)...Zemunik (Zadar), Pula, Bihać, Mostar, ....Operation Capljina.....Kosovo

There were 49 KIA from 1991-1999

spin
09-12-2006, 05:42 AM
Ever heard of the 'vikendovci'?

Nonetheless, you're right, the 63a did not participate in the Bosnian/Croat wars as a unit. In the Kosovo War it fought brilliantly (rather, its detachments did).

Lokos

No I did not if it is place. Do you mean weekend wariors?

spin
09-12-2006, 05:53 AM
They were based in airbases wherever the fighting took place at the start of the war 1991/92

Cerklje (Slovenia)...Pleso (Zagreb)...Zemunik (Zadar), Pula, Bihać, Mostar, ....Operation Capljina.....Kosovo

There were 49 KIA from 1991-1999

There was no significant fightings at places you mention. At some there was no at all.
I don't mean to bash they combat abillity I'm sure it is great I just want to say that if you include all ex YU military units they are not most proven ex YU unit.

Regards,
sp
:-)

Royal
09-12-2006, 07:42 AM
There was no significant fightings at places you mention. At some there was no at all.
I don't mean to bash they combat abillity I'm sure it is great I just want to say that if you include all ex YU military units they are not most proven ex YU unit.

Regards,
sp
:-)

No significant fighting in Bihać and Mostar? Welcome to planet earth.

CyberSpec
09-12-2006, 08:30 AM
There was no significant fightings at places you mention. At some there was no at all.
I don't mean to bash they combat abillity I'm sure it is great I just want to say that if you include all ex YU military units they are not most proven ex YU unit.

Regards,
sp
:-)

If you mean the unit with the most combat experience....I agree. But then again, they were never meant to be used as a regular infantry unit.

I'd say the fighting around Zadar and Mostar was "significant".

While stationed at Mostar, 25 volunteers from the 63rd took part in a rescue mission where they evacuated about 170 soldiers from the surrounded barracks in Capljina under heavy fire. 9 x Mi-8s took off from Mostar and 8 hellicopters (1 was held in reserve) landed in the barracks and pulled out the soldiers under a hail of fire. Once they returned to base, it was discovered that all helicopters were riddled with bullet holes and it was a miracle that no one was killed.

After the JNA left Bosnia in mid 1992, the 63rd did not take part in any of the fighting as a unit. But a fair few ex-paratroopers were part of various Bosnian Serb units. For example, the commander of the shadowy 10. Diverzantski Odred was an ex paratrooper.

Then in 1998 the fighting in Kosovo started in which the unit played a significant role. The brigade commander Goran Ostojic was killed there in 1998 in freakish circumstances.

But, Lokos is more of an expert on this period.

CyberSpec
09-12-2006, 10:12 AM
Since this is the Photos & Videos section, here's a few photos (some are personal or belong to friends):

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http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/93338_skok_u_zivot.jpg

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/92775_LARGE_JUMP.JPG

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/92774_LARGE_6000M.JPG

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/93337_POSLE_SKOKA.JPG

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_93337_PD083U.JPG
http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/92772_capljina03.jpg
http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/92771_capljina01.jpg



http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_66539_PRED_PRVI_SKOK.jpg (http://img3067.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66539_PRED_PRVI_SKOK.jpg) http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_66535_Posle_Visinca.jpg (http://img3067.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66535_Posle_Visinca.jpg) http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_66532_p4_resize.jpg (http://img3067.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66532_p4_resize.jpg) http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_66387_Dan_Vojske.jpg (http://img3067.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66387_Dan_Vojske.jpg) http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/th_66386_borbeni_psi.jpg (http://img3067.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=66386_borbeni_psi.jpg)

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In Kosovo, 1999


http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc31/70192_ratna_zona_1999.jpg

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc170/47275_Kosare1999.jpg


A couple from the sister unit, the 72 Brigade
http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/93565_VJ_NIS_N_1A_REDUKOVANA_1_.JPG

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/93564_VJ__RONJENJE_2REDUKOVANA.JPG

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc24/93566_VJ_SPOMENSOBA_72_BGD.JPG

Erik2a4
09-12-2006, 10:38 AM
sry if there is a video or a pick its most likley in this forum :)

Nice 508th Avatar...

kapela
09-12-2006, 11:04 AM
http://www.63padobranska.co.yu/index.htm

Lokos
09-12-2006, 12:02 PM
No I did not if it is place. Do you mean weekend wariors?

Vikendovci -> Weekend warriors. Members of the 63a were infamous weekend warriors, and enthusiastic ones at that (that is to say that they would typically travel to BiH, reinforce certain units before a major operation, and then fight until the outcome was decided, before leaving). From what I've heard, a squad of those gentlemen was a force multiplier for many a VRS company. Bosnian Muslim sources inform us that the 63a men were of that rare stock of combatant actually looking for a vicious, close quarter fight.

From what I know of them circa 1999 (and my experience with them was limited) they were highly motivated, highly aggressive light infantry that often fought and won whilst outnumbered.

Lokos

enforcer
09-12-2006, 01:19 PM
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spin
09-12-2006, 04:31 PM
No significant fighting in Bihać and Mostar? Welcome to planet earth.

Read his post. He mention those places in context of airbases that are placed in towns.

Musashi
09-12-2006, 06:19 PM
Ever heard of the 'vikendovci'?

Nonetheless, you're right, the 63a did not participate in the Bosnian/Croat wars as a unit. In the Kosovo War it fought brilliantly (rather, its detachments did).

Lokos
Zdravo, Lokos.
Do you have more information on that? And maybe you have more details how the (IIRC) 3 US soldiers were captured in Kosovo? They were shown on TV.

Pozdrav,
Chris

enforcer
09-12-2006, 06:38 PM
Zdravo, Lokos.
Do you have more information on that? And maybe you have more details how the (IIRC) 3 US soldiers were captured in Kosovo? They were shown on TV.

Pozdrav,
Chris

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9904/28/kosovo.02/link.steven.gonzales.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/305000/images/_309459_threesoliders300.jpg

.....Shortly after their March 31 capture near the Macedonia border, the three soldiers were shown on Serb TV.
Staff Sgt. Andrew Ramirez, 24, of Los Angeles; Spc. Steven Gonzalez, 21, of Huntsville, Texas; and Staff Sgt. Christopher Stone, 25, of Smiths Creek, Michigan.

Musashi
09-12-2006, 07:03 PM
Thank you, but I know the information, that you wrote :) I just wanted to know WHO captured them and HOW it happened.

Regards,
Chris

CyberSpec
09-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Read his post. He mention those places in context of airbases that are placed in towns.

They were tasked with holding the airbases, because at the start of the war they were officially part of the Airforce. That doesn't mean they didn't take part in fighting outside the airbases.....this is especially true in the Zadar and Mostar cases.


All this is history now. The 63rd and 72nd brigades are being reduced to battalion level and together with some other smaller units will be merged into a single brigade.....it's not clear whether they will get to keep their designations within the new unit......this is a VERY a unpopular decision



Thank you, but I know the information, that you wrote :) I just wanted to know WHO captured them and HOW it happened.

Regards,
Chris

I think they lost their bearing and crossed the border without knowing. I don't know who captured them

cinoeye
09-12-2006, 08:31 PM
Ever heard of the 'vikendovci'?

Nonetheless, you're right, the 63a did not participate in the Bosnian/Croat wars as a unit. Lokos

Well, this is not 100% correct.

Royal
09-13-2006, 03:13 AM
Read his post. He mention those places in context of airbases that are placed in towns.

No he didn't. He said that they were based in those places. 45 Commando were based in Scotland when they fought in the Falklands 8000 miles away. Where you are based has absolutely no connection to where you fight.

spin
09-13-2006, 03:50 AM
They were tasked with holding the airbases, because at the start of the war they were officially part of the Airforce. That doesn't mean they didn't take part in fighting outside the airbases.....this is especially true in the Zadar and Mostar cases.



No significant fighting in Bihać and Mostar? Welcome to planet earth.


No he didn't. He said that they were based in those places. 45 Commando were based in Scotland when they fought in the Falklands 8000 miles away. Where you are based has absolutely no connection to where you fight.

I wrote an ansver (it is rather easy) on that but I deleted it. I will be polite, so i'm backing up from this thread atleast writing in it. I know that 63. is great unit and I'm sorry they (63 and 72.) are merged in a single unit, I know how unpopular decision is for their members, same thing happened here in Croatia with guard brigades.

Pozdrav,
sp

brad
09-13-2006, 04:01 AM
I am interested if this unit, 63 padobranska brigada, are so called niški specialci from ex JNA?

CyberSpec
09-13-2006, 04:55 AM
I am interested if this unit, 63 padobranska brigada, are so called niški specialci from ex JNA?

I'm guessing it's the same ones.

But a better description would be assault infantry or fast reaction type of unit.

Lokos
09-13-2006, 05:21 AM
Well, this is not 100% correct

You may very well be right - I am no expert on the Balkan Wars history of the 63a. Everything I have to say on the 63a is 'as far as I know'.


I am interested if this unit, 63 padobranska brigada, are so called niški specialci from ex JNA?

A colloquial designation for them, yes.


Do you have more information on that?

They were professional, courteous, aggressive, hard hitting and highly capable in controlling the battlefield. Much of my information re: their exploits comes second-hand - but I have no doubts that we are talking about highly proficient soldiers.


And maybe you have more details how the (IIRC) 3 US soldiers were captured in Kosovo? They were shown on TV.


I didn't do it :)

In all seriousness, no, I have no clue what happened. I was stationed on the other side of Kosovo.

Lokos

Erik2a4
09-13-2006, 11:00 AM
I believe they took a wrong turn...and wound up surrounded by many men with many guns.

Someone with more information may be able to correct this.

JOVANCA
01-31-2008, 10:00 AM
Video about 63.Parachute Brigade (1998)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8As3ZlTLb8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLbImIlfn1A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP9F5smtQ9c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEJVtNsphlk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOt6oX6m_hk
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlIncGQVT4U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edI4ko6T_i4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOttTtHm19U


Another video filmed in 2004

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu8gPLzrjeY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmWanei6o8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2dVIGG7rC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QExSMokzvY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DunhocBgt6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d75m83PLb28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juRHXL_gr7k


:)

cinoeye
01-31-2008, 04:25 PM
No significant fighting in Bihać and Mostar? Welcome to planet earth.
And around Sarajevo. Hint-Jewish Cemetery.
But again, 63 did participated in actions outside of Serbia. p-) ;)

Germanfan
01-31-2008, 05:43 PM
nice videos! sad that tehy are on youtube with such an low quality. possbile to get them on stage6.com p-)