View Full Version : anyone ever had anti-military sentiment against them?
basket of soft kittens
04-04-2004, 10:43 PM
anyone ever had anti-military sentiment against them? protesters spitting so forth just because you have any type of affiliation with any military?
Truthsayer
04-04-2004, 10:51 PM
Does referee'ing playoffs count? :]
Merik
04-04-2004, 11:12 PM
A girl in one of my classes ridiculed me and told me I was stupid for joing the National Guard, which in case my unit is being mobilized. Does that count?
Johnnyringo
04-04-2004, 11:23 PM
Been in more than my share of fights with locals, college boys, and mostly just plain drunk assholes that wanted to see if they were tougher than a bunch of Marines. Won a bunch, lost a few, still got all my teeth though!
EvanL
04-04-2004, 11:27 PM
Been in more than my share of fights with locals, college boys, and mostly just plain drunk assholes that wanted to see if they were tougher than a bunch of Marines. Won a bunch, lost a few, still got all my teeth though!
And thats all that matters :D
Truthsayer
04-04-2004, 11:35 PM
Been in more than my share of fights with locals, college boys, and mostly just plain drunk assholes that wanted to see if they were tougher than a bunch of Marines. Won a bunch, lost a few, still got all my teeth though!
It's something about wearing the camo-uniform that attracts drunks and morons like hell. And the occasianally fan-boys ofcourse.
ibstolidude
04-05-2004, 12:11 AM
Won a bunch, lost a few, still got all my teeth though!
lucky you - my entire top row of front four is fake. Try not to grin when being hit with a stick. - good defenses against a man swinging a pool cue does not include trying to bite it, while in flight.
I have experienced it but it is rare, I do not talk to most people about my service, not out of some fantasy of secret squirellness just out of it not being their business - therefore it is rare.
mocking_loudly_died
04-05-2004, 12:43 AM
All my former leftie friends are the types to bitch about the government & the military but when confronted with people of that ilk rarely let out a squeak.
The moral is don't have friends.
James
04-05-2004, 02:48 AM
My parents are retired U.S. Army, and we lived in Germany when I was in grade school. Several times we ran into Green Party or something (I don't know, I was a kid) off base, protesting against the bomb or something. Once, downtown in Stuttgart, Germany, my mom and sister and I were out while a protest developed - hands across Germany or something. Mom instantly knew what was going on and admonished us not to say a word in English. She then enacted a hasty E&E plan and got us home w/o further incident.
Good times.
mustamato
04-05-2004, 02:51 AM
A girl in one of my classes ridiculed me and told me I was stupid for joing the National Guard, which in case my unit is being mobilized. Does that count?
So what did you say to her?
juhae
04-05-2004, 05:33 AM
I've had more trouble from the over-militaristic wannabe-rambos of the backlands, than from any anti-war minded person.
Last year I thaught about joining our royal military school to become an officer and I was talking with some people about it. Off course some of them told me it was stupid joining the army, that making war is bad etc.. typical uninformed statements.
It doesn't matter anyway, I started a 5 year course at university because my mother didn't really want me joining the army + my right knee is kinda f*cked up so I wouldn't have gotten in anyway :s
Tengu
04-05-2004, 06:45 AM
I'm about to join the army. And all that anti-war BS makes me want to join even more.
Marsuitor
04-05-2004, 07:17 AM
Got the lowdown from some bunch of wannabe communist mongers. They were preaching about how global communism would be best for us all, the "set the workers free" fill-line and how NATO was the disease of the world. This was right after coming from my tour in Kosovo (= ex-commie country who's seen it's fair share of corruption and waste), and as far as i could tell these guys had hardly been out of town to do any field studies on what they obviously blindly supported. Anyhow, managed to set them pretty straight... and it felt good.
Also my maternal grandfather is one of these extremely ignorant persons living in a backwater type Norwegian village squeezed into the coast somewhere. Anyhow, when he found out i was being deployed he sort of banned me out from his world on the grounds of me caring more for "******s and jews" than the poor Norwegian commoner. :roll:
Kicius
04-05-2004, 07:22 AM
Some stupid comments when i was walking in the street in uniform.
But that's the problem of conscription.
They were wiser than I and Army didn't catch them.
;)
gilgoul
04-05-2004, 07:30 AM
anyone ever had anti-military sentiment against them? protesters spitting so forth just because you have any type of affiliation with any military?
when doing my mandatory service in france, we had everyday morning a running session taking us around the St germain en Laye terrasses and woods during our basic, and the kids of a nearby high school were trying to have some fun at our expense, to the day we had a "talk".
Later i had to face some kind of "discrimination" during my studies, because i was stamped "one of them", definitely put in a categoy of right wing brainless violent asshole, wich i`m not (just a little bit of an asshole ;) ).
At least i learned something out of that, some of those "liberals" college kids are subject to the most abject of prejudice against law enforcement and military.
Here fortunately (in Israel), the mission and the attribute of soldiers are respected, and more, honoured, and the more "fighting" you are, the better it is, so too bad i`m in a rescue unit. :backhand:
mi35d
04-05-2004, 09:26 AM
I've been military (USAF & US ARMY) for the last 21 years and have had my share of jackasses.
1984: While flying home on convalescent leave. Was walking through an airport terminal in my Class A's (Dress uniform) with a duffel bag on one shoulder and the other arm in a cast from my wrist to my armpit. Anti-Nuke / Anti-War / Anti-Government protestor came up and started the usual speech about "killers", etc. What flicked my switch was when he said I should be ashamed of wearing the uniform. At that point I mentioned to him that he should be happy I'm wearing this uniform and not one from a different country. "WHY?!?" Because in this country he was free to say what he wants. If it was somewhere else, like, El Salvador or Argentina (in the news at the time), I'd mention his to the police and he wouldn't be heard from again. "Is that a threat?!?" Nope. Just something you should think about.
1986: Anti-Nuke protestors on my fence line in England. Was sent from the states temporarily as additional security. Woman was screaming at me: "Yanks go home". (Sheesh lady - how about something original!) Anyway, I screamed back, "Get of my fence and I can!" The clarity in her eyes was amazing as she climbed down off the fence and walked away.
Recently: Moron in a bar. Wanted to know why I was here in the states and not over in Iraq. Called me several 4 letter words, etc. Asked if he had ever served and he said, "no." Gave him a brief synopsis of my career and the happy places I've been. (Iraq? Been there/done that.) Bar owner came over, told the jackass to leave a vet alone and paid for my drinks. Invited me to a welcome home party for his son. (Returned from Iraq.)
Various other idiots over the years. College professor, my hippie brother, woman at a gas station. "Stupid is as stupid does."
Erik_MAA
04-05-2004, 11:35 AM
This is something which really strikes a nerve with me...
I was in the Army for 11 years (four active, seven National Guard) and I've encountered my share of hostility.
I can say with no reservation that the most hateful, judgemental, prejudiced and discrimitory people I have ever met are members of the so-called "progressive protest" movement.
What's ironic is that these same people claim to support peace, tolerance,and understanding - many claim to be pacifists - but they won't hesitate to attack - verbally and physically - any servicemember they encounter.
When I encounter people like this, I don't respond with hostility, threats or violence. That's what they want you to do. That's the reaction they expect.
I respond by pointing out their own hypocrisy - that shuts them down faster than any well-placed punch.
MaDuce
04-05-2004, 03:22 PM
I saw some punk ass kid spit on a world war 2 veteran in a wheel chair during the initial round of war protests againest the war in Iraq. I started to go over teach the kid a lesson but the old man punched the kid in the stomeach and broke/cracked a rib I belive.
I saw some punk ass kid spit on a world war 2 veteran in a wheel chair during the initial round of war protests againest the war in Iraq. I started to go over teach the kid a lesson but the old man punched the kid in the stomeach and broke/cracked a rib I belive.
rofl
I hope the punk broke half the ribs in his body. woot
angry cow
04-05-2004, 04:43 PM
I haven't experinced anything in particular when I'm wearing my uniform on campus. I'm in the ROTC program at my university, in case you were wondering. Sometimes I get some weird looks and all, but people don't ever actually come up to me. It's better that way for both of us :bash:
Dalleer
04-05-2004, 04:54 PM
I saw some punk ass kid spit on a world war 2 veteran in a wheel chair during the initial round of war protests againest the war in Iraq. I started to go over teach the kid a lesson but the old man punched the kid in the stomeach and broke/cracked a rib I belive.
Goddamn, that's just freakin' insane....
It's another matter on spitting at young soldiers and calling them with names and all since they can probably beat your ass in a second too. But WWII (especially ones sitting wheelchair) veterans are something you shouldn't be doing something like this at all to.
Whoever that **** for brains person was who did that to the WWII veteran , I sincerely hope he got the biggest beating ever that day.
MaDuce
04-05-2004, 05:08 PM
In the end it was kind of funny because this kid like most of his ilk looked like he hadn’t seen a weight on a running track in his life. And this prolly 80 year old man despite being in a wheelchair had wide shoulders and huge ass arms and looked like he could tool on half the kids today (The physical, social degeneration is a discussion for another time however.) I respect peoples right to protest and criticize the government but when they start to disrespect soldiers who are only doing their job and don't care about the politics the "progressive protesters” just lose all creditability. For example a soldier in the Iraqi army who obeys the laws on common decency has done nothing wrong.(Fedyean, and republican guards who purposely rape and use civilians as shields don't count)
Anzac
04-05-2004, 05:15 PM
only got some strange looks when walking around in my field uniform from time to time. Swedes tend to be polite, always fun when some cute little kid walks up and asks "are you a soldier" with awe in his eyes =)
Kellhound
04-05-2004, 05:18 PM
You mean recently, in the last year or any moment in the military career?
:lol:
basket of soft kittens
04-05-2004, 06:50 PM
whenever
OldRecon
04-05-2004, 07:00 PM
Got the lowdown from some bunch of wannabe communist mongers. They were preaching about how global communism would be best for us all, the "set the workers free" fill-line and how NATO was the disease of the world. This was right after coming from my tour in Kosovo (= ex-commie country who's seen it's fair share of corruption and waste), and as far as i could tell these guys had hardly been out of town to do any field studies on what they obviously blindly supported. Anyhow, managed to set them pretty straight... and it felt good.
Also my maternal grandfather is one of these extremely ignorant persons living in a backwater type Norwegian village squeezed into the coast somewhere. Anyhow, when he found out i was being deployed he sort of banned me out from his world on the grounds of me caring more for "******s and jews" than the poor Norwegian commoner. :roll:
Have managed to get both some of those "Blitz"-type Palestine sympathising radicals on one side, as well as some of those born again christian all out supporters of Israel on the other foot of it, to shut up on several occasions. Haven't made myself many friends that way however :lol:.
OzMan
04-05-2004, 11:59 PM
As a member of Civil Air Patrol, the official auxilliary of the US Air Force, we wear the USAF's uniforms, follow their enlisted and ROTC ranks, and many times ride in their aircraft. There have been several times when people would spot me in my uniform, then wait a few days until the National Anthem plays at some sporting event, and start sputtering sh** at me. Or they'll write offensive messages on the whiteboards at school, and wait for me to react. Or they'll target me in their anti-America/anti-military/anti-common sense debates.
Most of the time I'll just stare at them and brush the dust off of the American flag I have sewn to the shoulder strap of my bookbag, or just smile and walk away knowing that I could turn their asses into grass if they touch me.
16 OBr SpN
04-06-2004, 04:49 AM
In 1989 when we came back from Afghanistan, we were positioned in Samarkand, Uzbekistan for 2 months before we were shipped back to Russia. Maybe some of you had heard of this very ancient city. This city is very famous for its bread.
Anyways, me and 4 of my friends received a clearance to go outside the base. There's a famous Registan square in Samarkand, and a very large bazaar (marketplace) not far away from it. Over there, they sell that famous bread.
We came up to this old man who was selling bread, and I quickly noticed his bad attitude. In Samarkand, people mostly speak Tadjik, which is very similar to Afghani Dari. That man said to the guy next to him "kalla kesarho omadan", which means "head cutters are here". I was deeply offended, but didn't say a single word and just walked away. The way I was treated in MY OWN country was very painful to me.
As soon as people heard that I was the Afghan war veteran, they would make this face as if a serial killer was sitting next to them!
I can't even count all those times I was stopped by the cops on the streets, calling me "отмороженный" which translates something like a "cold hearted". Once, a local policeman (участковый) started picking on me, saying "You should have died there, because I would have less worries". What I couldn't take is a thought that some kind of punk who wouldn't last a day in Afghanistan, and whose neck I could break in split seconds, was disrespecting me. But I couldn't say or do anything, because he's the "authority"!
My wife's friends were afraid to sit on the table with me and drink vodka with me.
There are MANY instances like that. :(
Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Kingpin
04-06-2004, 05:03 AM
My wife's friends were afraid to sit on the table with me and drink vodka with me.
Nothing strange since some Afgan and Chechnya veterans had heavy PTSD problems. :( But it is awful that nobody in society tried to help them :(
16 OBr SpN
04-06-2004, 05:43 AM
My wife's friends were afraid to sit on the table with me and drink vodka with me.
Nothing strange since some Afgan and Chechnya veterans had heavy PTSD problems. :( But it is awful that nobody in society tried to help them :(
Most of the veterans had a syndrome, but it wasn't an agressive one.
It's just our ****ing media, as usual, blew everything out of proportion.
Just because some had got into trouble with law, doesn't mean all of us were like that. Those who went into the organized crime did it not because of the syndrome, but because they couldn't find any job.
I know of one guy from VDV recon platoon who served in Afghanistan.
He received a Medal for Bravery in Afghanistan, while being a commander of the platoon. Later, his wife left him for some "new Russian' (цеховик).
He couldn't find ANY job. His wife took the apartment. Eventually he started drinking. Gangsters approached him with many tempting offers. But he decided to live on the streets like a bum, rather than going into criminal world. Later, he was found dead. He died of freezing out on the street during a winter. The only thing he had in his pocket was his Medal, his Military ID (военный билет), and a photo of his unit.
He died because the government didn't provide the proper support, and the "civil" society turned its back on him.
Just thinking about this ****, makes my hands shake out of anger!! :(
Regards,
16 OBr SpN
Kingpin
04-06-2004, 06:24 AM
He died because the government didn't provide the proper support, and the "civil" society turned its back on him.
Just thinking about this ****, makes my hands shake out of anger!! :(
Regards,
16 OBr SpN
I always respected our veterans no matter how justified wars they fought but you're right: hostile media and weakness of civil society did bad job for people.
mi35d
04-06-2004, 09:15 AM
The media jackals are the same apparently in whatever country you come from.
Imshi-Yallah
04-06-2004, 09:39 AM
Yep, try being Irish even Sinn Fein scum will call you militaristit without blinking an eye (obviously they have some sort of special dispensation from god to kill innocent civilians)
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