Just in: US Counterattacks In Iraq

[Nizark]

debka.com reports:

In major new offensive, US forces lash out Monday against al Qaeda-insurgent strongholds in Sunni Triangle towns of Fallujah and Ramadi which orchestrated lynching of four Americans in Fallujjah last week. Highways to Baghdad and the Jordanian frontier blocked.

At same time, US-led forces, joined by helicopters, counter-attack radical Shiite Sadrists, killing 24, injuring 74 in Baghdad’s Shiite slum district, opening second front to quell spreading Shiite onslaught.

The AP wire says the operation is Named "Vigilant Resolve" and some 1,200 Marines and two battalions of Iraqi security forces were poised to enter the city in a raid to capture suspected insurgents, officials said.


I personally hope that this isn't some surgical mission where they only want the killers. These bastards need to be taught a lesson..maybe roll the MOAB into theater, but some heads need to be cracked.

[George W. Bush]

Sadr denouncing Americans and Iraqis who worked with them announced Friday he was opening Iraqi chapters of Hizballah and Hamas

Lesee, Hezbollah is our enemy and Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization. I don't see that happening, ever.

[Soulhunter]

Yes, just nuke Fallujah. That'll help greatly ...

[Kriz]

About time they undertook something. I think now it's the moment to send a message to the people of Iraq. I mean killing and lynching people who are working to protect and upgrade their power plants, that is just NOT acceptable.

I'm also hoping this isn't a surgical strike but a good old World War 2 style bombardment. Sometimes you need compassion, this time we need action...

[moughoun]

US marines, it's called vigilant resolve

[George W. Bush]

Religious agitators are not the military's main problem, IEDs and RPG ambushes are. However, it wouldn't to bite it in the ass early on.

[Gringo]

I personally hope that this isn't some surgical mission where they only want the killers. These bastards need to be taught a lesson..maybe roll the MOAB into theater, but some heads need to be cracked.

That'll create more enemies then allies. Are they taking lessons from the Israelis now?

[Sergei]

I just hope that local "kid warriors" will never be in the military or have to make important decisions on life or death of innocent people.

[Russian Texan]

Get the F*** OUT of Iraq!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Bush resignes/impeached

#2 US government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 US government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them

#4 US government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded US soldiers in Iraq

#5 US pulls its military force out of Iraq and gives all authority to the UN

#6 US government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Iraq and its people

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

#8 US goes back to the policy of "isolationism" and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Iraq, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great"Presidend Bush is, go die for him...

[George W. Bush]

Get the F*** OUT of Iraq!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Bush resignes/impeached

#2 US government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 US government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them

#4 US government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded US soldiers in Iraq

#5 US pulls its military force out of Iraq and gives all authority to the UN

#6 US government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Iraq and its people

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

#8 US goes back to the policy of "isolationism" and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Iraq, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great"Presidend Bush is, go die for him...

We'll do all of that when your country stops killing innocent Muslim civilians in Chechnya.

[MEGR]

Oh boy here we go :roll:

[HELEX]

@George W. Bush


We'll do all of that when your country stops killing innocent Muslim civilians in Chechnya.

Hey, what about your former opinion that there is no such thing like a innocent Muslim? :roll:

[George W. Bush]

@George W. Bush


We'll do all of that when your country stops killing innocent Muslim civilians in Chechnya.

Hey, what about your former opinion that there is no such thing like a innocent Muslim? :roll:

You're putting words into my mouth, son.

[HELEX]

Did I? Only like you did sometimes before... :D

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Get the F*** OUT of Iraq!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Bush resignes/impeached

#2 US government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 US government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them

#4 US government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded US soldiers in Iraq

#5 US pulls its military force out of Iraq and gives all authority to the UN

#6 US government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Iraq and its people

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

#8 US goes back to the policy of "isolationism" and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Iraq, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great"Presidend Bush is, go die for him...

rofl Oh man, that's good stuff.

As a parent, I always teach my kids that if something is difficult or unpopular then it is wrong. Immediately give up & apologize for trying in the first place. Sure, they may never accomplish anything - but it's sure to keep them out of trouble.

[duck]

In any case, Dubya should make an official visit to Iraq on June 30th regardless of the security situation. A Commander-in-Chief has to be prepared to sacrifice himself for a noble cause just as the troops are doing. Visits to Kirkuk, Baghdad and Basrah and a speech to celebrate the new, free Iraq.

[Russian Texan]

rofl Oh man, that's good stuff.
As a parent, I always teach my kids that if something is difficult or unpopular then it is wrong. Immediately give up & apologize for trying in the first place. Sure, they may never accomplish anything - but it's sure to keep them out of trouble.

Not to insult you but do you also teach them to bang their heads against the wall, because that is what US is doing right now in Iraq.
There is sometimes a very fine line between pride/stupidity/stubbornes...

The bottom line is:
*A lot(most) of Iraqis don't want US to be there and they were much better off during Saddam
*US or any other soldiers should only die for what they believe in

[Haiw]

In any case, Dubya should make an official visit to Iraq on June 30th regardless of the security situation. A Commander-in-Chief has to be prepared to sacrifice himself for a noble cause just as the troops are doing. Visits to Kirkuk, Baghdad and Basrah and a speech to celebrate the new, free Iraq.
And a Kennedy-like drive trough Fallujah in an open car... without interceptor vest. p-)

[HELEX]

@Russian Texan


#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

Do you really think this is necessary or will have any effect? rofl

[sergey31]

Oh man, just thik if the $$ spent on this stupid war could be given to help our falling economy. Wspecialy CA, without CA the USA as a whole would and will suffer greatly... Or better yet give that $ to taxpayers as a tax break.... Who in the F*** cares about Iraq or any other of those countries, let them be and even let them kill each other if they want to, more oxygen for me.

[George W. Bush]

Oh man, just thik if the $$ spent on this stupid war could be given to help our falling economy. Wspecialy CA, without CA the USA as a whole would and will suffer greatly... Or better yet give that $ to taxpayers as a tax break.... Who in the F*** cares about Iraq or any other of those countries, let them be and even let them kill each other if they want to, more oxygen for me.

How quickly people forget the threat of Islamist terror and those that harbor terrorists.

Terrorists like Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas were free to seek refuge in Iraq under Saddam. Extremist Islamist groups like Al Ansar Islam operated freely in Saddam's Iraq.

Please, wake up.

[Russian Texan]

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

Do you really think this is necessary or will have any effect? rofl

I don't know but it might teach them a lesson.
Although, on a second thought, I don't think a lobotomy or anything that has to do with the brain would help because, sometimes, I think that Bush supporters think with their asses...

[Marmot1]

Get the F*** OUT of Chechenya!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Putin resignes/impeached

#2 Russian government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 Russian government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them for many years

#4 Russian government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded Russian soldiers in Chechenya

#5 Russia pulls its military force out of Chechenya and gives all authority to the UN.

#6 Russian government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Chechenya and it's people

#7 Everyone who supports Putin gets a free ticket for "Nord Ost"

#8 Russia elect Yeltsin again and he goes back to drinking Vodka and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country little bigger than kosovo after 10 years but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Chechenya, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great" Russia is, go die for her...

Ok we have 2 peace plans so what next how about creating plan for Kosovo,Sudan,Sierra Leone,Pakistan/India,Sri Lanka,etc...

[mustamato]

Bremer: "This will not be tolerated"

:P

[Russian Texan]

Marmot1, our dear valuable polish ally...
Unfortunately nothing has changed for you or ever will: you always will be had, screwed, bended over, taken advantage of, pushed aside and never taken into account/consideration....simple like that ;)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&ncid=2027&e=4&u=/chitribts/20040405/ts_chicagotrib/newusvisaordealhaspolessimmering

[Gringo]

As a parent, I always teach my kids that if something is difficult or unpopular then it is wrong. Immediately give up & apologize for trying in the first place. Sure, they may never accomplish anything - but it's sure to keep them out of trouble.

I don't mean to be a pain in the arse, but just because something is unpopular doesn't mean it's wrong. Just because Hitler was popular in Germany didn't mean he was right.

[mustamato]

Marmot1, our dear valuable polish ally...
Unfortunately nothing has changed for you or ever will: you always will be had, screwed, bended over, taken advantage of, pushed aside and never taken into account/consideration....simple like that ;)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2027&ncid=2027&e=4&u=/chitribts/20040405/ts_chicagotrib/newusvisaordealhaspolessimmering

I would be pissed as well, especially considering how much the Poles bends
over for the Americans :P Read in the newspaper that we in the respected and
civilized EU-countries of Sweden, Finland etc will also now be fingerprinted and
have a photo taken if we visit US now. Begins to smell fascist state, I don´t
think that even Soviet Union had foreigners finger prints taken.

[Russian Texan]

As a parent, I always teach my kids that if something is difficult or unpopular then it is wrong. Immediately give up & apologize for trying in the first place. Sure, they may never accomplish anything - but it's sure to keep them out of trouble.

I don't mean to be a pain in the arse, but just because something is unpopular doesn't mean it's wrong. Just because Hitler was popular in Germany didn't mean he was right.

At this point no one knows for sure what is wright and what is wrong - the future generations will answer this question.
The history will tell...

[obd]

Hey Russian Texan. I have an idea. Why dont the barbarian slime russians get the **** out of Chechnya and stop raping and robbing the poor people of that nation. The whole world knows what idiots and what barbarian scum Russians are in Chechnya. Funny how Putin, that ****ing ****head KGB slob, calls Chechens "bandits" when it is you Russians who kill your own damn people in Chechnya. This has been documented by the entire world. I know you are too damb drunk on vodka and too ****ing stupid to realise that the state controlled news services simply feed you bull**** bu thats ok. You russian and I harldy expect you to be any better. ****ing idiot.

May the holy warriors of Chechnya spread the jihad into Russia and burn you in your own Vodka drenched body you stinking Russian punk. I have to say, better an Russian full of Jihadists form Pakistan than one full of morons like you...

[George W. Bush]

Tell your government to apologize for slaughtering thousands of Chechens Muslims who were only guilty of practicing the religion of peace when your barbarian Red Army soldiers shot, bombed, and starved them. Russia has blood on her hands!

[army cadet_ngcsu]

I feel that Russians as a whole are a good people. As of right now their government and military is rought with corruption and poor leadership and the mafia that controls a good bit of their economy is not helping out as well. But do not let one stupid, liberal minded Russian who lives in Texas categorize the entire nation of Russia.

I agree with what Russia is doing in Chechnya right now (I do not support their crude and terrible methods of putting down the rebellion) but these Muslim terrorists have bombed countless buildings, kidnapped people, raped people, and God knows what else. These Chechen terrorist assholes are no better than the ones that the Israelis, Indians, Christians Sudanese, and Americans are fighting. In fact they do tours in which you can spend a year in Chechnya, then Iraq, and finish off your illustrioius campaign of terror with a suicide bombing in Israel. What has ever happened to the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" We need to stop pussy footing around and stay focused on the task at hand which is making sure that there is not another 9/11 or a nuclear 9/11 and do what it takes to make sure that something like that does not come about.

Yes I realize that many of you will object to supporting Russia because they are oppressors or they rape...but we support the Pakistanis and their tracking record is not that good.

Besides, I'm not too sure of what Russians think of the Iraq war now, but I saw in a public poll some months ago that 52% of Russians supported the war, that is pretty good considering their state run media was telling them that it was an oil war and a corrupt war.

[Russian Texan]

I feel that Russians as a whole are a good people. As of right now their government and military is rought with corruption and poor leadership and the mafia that controls a good bit of their economy is not helping out as well. But do not let one stupid, liberal minded Russian who lives in Texas categorize the entire nation of Russia.

I agree with what Russia is doing in Chechnya right now (I do not support their crude and terrible methods of putting down the rebellion) but these Muslim terrorists have bombed countless buildings, kidnapped people, raped people, and God knows what else. These Chechen terrorist assholes are no better than the ones that the Israelis, Indians, Christians Sudanese, and Americans are fighting. In fact they do tours in which you can spend a year in Chechnya, then Iraq, and finish off your illustrioius campaign of terror with a suicide bombing in Israel. What has ever happened to the old saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" We need to stop pussy footing around and stay focused on the task at hand which is making sure that there is not another 9/11 or a nuclear 9/11 and do what it takes to make sure that something like that does not come about.

Yes I realize that many of you will object to supporting Russia because they are oppressors or they rape...but we support the Pakistanis and their tracking record is not that good.

Besides, I'm not too sure of what Russians think of the Iraq war now, but I saw in a public poll some months ago that 52% of Russians supported the war, that is pretty good considering their state run media was telling them that it was an oil war and a corrupt war.

#1You called me "stupid", why - because I have a different opinion?

#2 I am not "liberal" nor am I a conservative, I have my own morals, principals and beliefs that do not fall into any category of political alliance/loyalty...

#3 I don't know where you got those poll numbers from, but they are complete BS, point. I do not know a single person in Russia or CIS states who would think well about G.W. Bush or support the war for whatever reason... Don't take my word for it - ask Russians yourself, go to russian message boards and see what they say. Don't kid yourself, most Russians think that Bush is a moron and do not support war in Iraq...

Your profile says "killer in training", which clearly points to your age and ability to think and analyze... Please don't bother posting back - we are in different leagues, your views/opinions are of no interest to me.

[George W. Bush]

Your friend Permskii supports the war rofl

[George W. Bush]

Bushavatar says up yours!

[Universal]

Get the F*** OUT of Iraq!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Bush resignes/impeached

#2 US government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 US government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them

#4 US government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded US soldiers in Iraq

#5 US pulls its military force out of Iraq and gives all authority to the UN

#6 US government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Iraq and its people

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

#8 US goes back to the policy of "isolationism" and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Iraq, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great"Presidend Bush is, go die for him...

I love you man, just reading your post made my day. Thanks p-)

[HELEX]

@George W. Bush


Your friend Permskii supports the war

So because they are both from Russia, both should have the same Opinion? :cantbeli:

[Universal]

Bushavatar says up yours!

F*** Bushavatar ;)

[Beowulf]

alright. The russia/chechnya stuff needs to be discussed in another thread. Let's stay on topic.

Secondly, regardless of your political alignment it is generally self-discrediting to suggest that all those who disagree with you should have brain surgery. Even if you're just joking it is ill-advised.

[mi35d]

Russian Texan:

So, you've got the plan allright! Lets look back a few years, shall we?

Has Russia sincerely apologized for invading:

Lithuania
Poland
Czechoslavakia
Bulgaria
Romania
The Ukraine
Latvia
Estonia
Finland (didn't quite make it on that one though!)
Afghanistan

No? Well, I guess it's because the people of those countries REALLY wanted the Russian boot on their necks for all those years.

And I guess we should also follow the Russian way of dealing with a terrorist / hostage situation like the theater in Moscow. Gas everyone and anyone left alive should thank the heroic state police for their lives.

As for Iraq, I'm sure the 300,000+people who have been found in mass graves would have certainly appreciated the US involvment a few years ago. But look who I'm telling - 300,000+? For Russians that means that the mass grave is only 1/4 full. Talk to Ukrainians who were around for Stalin's purges.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Your profile says "killer in training", which clearly points to your age and ability to think and analyze... Please don't bother posting back - we are in different leagues, your views/opinions are of no interest to me.


My age??? What does age have to do with anything you piece of ****?!?! I'm 20 years old and I attend a Senior Military College (which explains the "killer in training"). In fact, just yesturday we completed a 16 mile ruck march up nothing but mountains with God knows how much weight on my back at Camp Merrill. Also, regardless of my age, I'm 100% sure that I am more intelligent then you could ever wish to be. Do not be mad at me because you are a Russian immigrant who is living in a redneck trailer park in the middle of Texas.

[cut]

Russian Texan:

So, you've got the plan allright! Lets look back a few years, shall we?

Has Russia sincerely apologized for invading:

Lithuania
Poland
Czechoslavakia
Bulgaria
Romania
The Ukraine
Latvia
Estonia
Finland (didn't quite make it on that one though!)
Afghanistan

No? Well, I guess it's because the people of those countries REALLY wanted the Russian boot on their necks for all those years.

And I guess we should also follow the Russian way of dealing with a terrorist / hostage situation like the theater in Moscow. Gas everyone and anyone left alive should thank the heroic state police for their lives.

As for Iraq, I'm sure the 300,000+people who have been found in mass graves would have certainly appreciated the US involvment a few years ago. But look who I'm telling - 300,000+? For Russians that means that the mass grave is only 1/4 full. Talk to Ukrainians who were around for Stalin's purges.

you are dumb ass to fall for that, he's having a go at people who don't like Bush but it's all to easy when you make **** up.

[Fox2]

In any case, Dubya should make an official visit to Iraq on June 30th regardless of the security situation. A Commander-in-Chief has to be prepared to sacrifice himself for a noble cause just as the troops are doing. Visits to Kirkuk, Baghdad and Basrah and a speech to celebrate the new, free Iraq.
And a Kennedy-like drive trough Fallujah in an open car... without interceptor vest. p-)

That is an all-time low for this forum, even for you, Haiw.

All of you hotheads spouting off at the mouth need to step away from the computer and take a jog around the block. Calm yourself down. Then post.

[OldRecon]

Get the F*** OUT of Iraq!!!

Here is my, sane person's, road map to peace:

#1 Bush resignes/impeached

#2 US government sincerely apologizes for invading a sovereign country and killing its citizens

#3 US government sincerely apologizes to its own citizens for decieving them

#4 US government sincerely apologizes to the families of killed and wounded US soldiers in Iraq

#5 US pulls its military force out of Iraq and gives all authority to the UN

#6 US government and those who are still blindly believe in the "noble" cause of the war pay for damages done to Iraq and its people

#7 Everyone who supports Bush gets a lobotomy

#8 US goes back to the policy of "isolationism" and everyone is living happily ever after...

It takes a big and strong men to conquer a country but it takes even bigger and stronger men to admit mistakes and do something about it...




Brainwashed patriots need not to reply to my post. Go to Iraq, take Ak 47 round in your chest and before your last breath leaves you - think about how "great"Presidend Bush is, go die for him...

Is that what's called irony?? (really hadn't expected that kind of opinion from you man)

Have promoted before that I'm not against the "war against terrorism", yet have never been that eager about the invasion of Iraq. Being rather shure of beforehand that things would end up in the present mayhem.
When a state on the one hand champions democracy and freedom, yet at the other are literaly forced to seal of whole blocks of territory in buildt up areas before killing everyone, both badies and non-involved, in order to stamp its authority on the people of a deceased state that it now has taken over, you are bound to get into trouble and questions about double moral standards.
And coalition forces have always been thin on the ground..., which is another factor in the present troubles.
When Iraqi government had trouble with Kurds during the 1970's, they literaly swamped the Kurdish areas with loyal troops, which sort of did the trick for them back then.
If this continues to escalate, I guess there's no option for the US but to re-introduce conscription.

[Argyll]

Aye keep yer mouths shut and let the Military do it's job.
If you think you all can do better then go and do it

[mustamato]

Aye keep yer mouths shut and let the Military do it's job.
If you think you all can do better then go and do it

Actually I believe in peace and love rather than a violent solution.

[cut]

Aye keep yer mouths shut and let the Military do it's job.
If you think you all can do better then go and do it

Who's criticising the US military, the are doing a great job, unlike some (http://www.2dtv.co.uk/sounds/Bush_Blow_Up_Whitehouse.wav)

[Kicius]

Do you think that those under enemy fire care about politics?

[Argyll]

Aye keep yer mouths shut and let the Military do it's job.
If you think you all can do better then go and do it

Actually I believe in peace and love rather than a violent solution.

Where does it say in my post through Violence and firepower?

The Military are the only Forces there ,who else is going to difuse this situation you clown?..........The Swedish National Cheerleading team?

[OldRecon]

Do you think that those under enemy fire care about politics?

Not now, but when they get home and get to sort out impressions, compare them with impressions of others, and take a look at things from afar, many definitely will.

[Kicius]

Agree.

But when they will return home, the situation will be resolved.
Now it isn't.

I'm against this war, few of my "friends" were/are in Iraq/A-stan.
But its useless to discuss if it is good or not when bullets are flying.

[OldRecon]

Aye keep yer mouths shut and let the Military do it's job.
If you think you all can do better then go and do it

Actually I believe in peace and love rather than a violent solution.

Where does it say in my post through Violence and firepower?

The Military are the only Forces there ,who else is going to difuse this situation you clown?..........The Swedish National Cheerleading team?

Have no doubt British army do as good a COIN job in Iraq as it has ever done previously since WW-2, yet wonder what odds they are up to with regards to the ratio of local inhabitants vs. troops in the AO of the British expeditionary force in Iraq compared to similar ratios of locals vs. security forces in NI, Aden, Cyprus or Kenya?
Would perhaps be even more appropriate to compare with the similar ratio of security forces vs. locals during the troubles in Palestine during the 30's and post WW-2?
From what little television coverage I've seen, the combination of relatively open spaces + mass and ferocity of demonstrators seem to cause some concern.
One main concern for the forces now occupying Iraq, is there seem to be a lot of young men about without any sort of civilised meaningful occupation, and thereby any sort of hopes for the future. A rather explosive social mix to deal with.

[Argyll]

The failure of all the administrations in not predicting this,has got to be addressed,someone royaly foked up in their Post war assessment.

[Soulhunter]

Rumsfeld and his fellow hawks should be sent to the front lines instead of those kids they're sending there now. The armchair generals make me puke.

[HELEX]

They are actually "chickenhawks" rofl


http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html

[Imshi-Yallah]

Super light and mobile army fo the future my ass, if they had progressed more slowly with a larger force many of the bones of contention that are fueling the fighting now wouldnt have come to pass.
Skim now pay later.

[Russian Texan]

Russian Texan:

So, you've got the plan allright! Lets look back a few years, shall we?

Has Russia sincerely apologized for invading:

Lithuania
Poland
Czechoslavakia
Bulgaria
Romania
The Ukraine
Latvia
Estonia
Finland (didn't quite make it on that one though!)
Afghanistan

When did Russia invade any of those countries? Dates please.

And I guess we should also follow the Russian way of dealing with a terrorist / hostage situation like the theater in Moscow. Gas everyone and anyone left alive should thank the heroic state police for their lives.
Operation was a success: casualties did not exceed 15% and 42 terrorists were killed. SF have done A+ job - great plan, perfect execution...
First aid wasn't their responsibility.


As for Iraq, I'm sure the 300,000+people who have been found in mass graves
Really, are you talking about mass graves where bio-lab trucks were parked?

Talk to Ukrainians who were around for Stalin's purges.
You mean like one of my grandmothers? You see, she is a Ukranian who had everything taken from her and was "relocated", even she doesn't hold the grudge - why do you?

[Russian Texan]

Your friend Permskii supports the war rofl

Do you understand the difference between supporting the war and supporting the troops?

[Russian Texan]

Is that what's called irony?? (really hadn't expected that kind of opinion from you man)

Have promoted before that I'm not against the "war against terrorism", yet have never been that eager about the invasion of Iraq. Being rather shure of beforehand that things would end up in the present mayhem.
When a state on the one hand champions democracy and freedom, yet at the other are literaly forced to seal of whole blocks of territory in buildt up areas before killing everyone, both badies and non-involved, in order to stamp its authority on the people of a deceased state that it now has taken over, you are bound to get into trouble and questions about double moral standards.
And coalition forces have always been thin on the ground..., which is another factor in the present troubles.
When Iraqi government had trouble with Kurds during the 1970's, they literaly swamped the Kurdish areas with loyal troops, which sort of did the trick for them back then.
If this continues to escalate, I guess there's no option for the US but to re-introduce conscription.

It took 55000+ US soldiers lives to realize that Vietnam was a mistake...
It took 1300+ Soviet soldiers lives to realize that Afganistan was a mistake...
How many "coalition soldiers" lives is it going to take to realize that Iraq was a mistake?


I support US actions in Afganistan - war on terror.
I do not support US actions in Iraq - Bush's lunacy.
I support US troops, wish them well and hope they will come home soon and healthy.

If Iraqis wanted us there there would be no cheering crowds dancing on top of the mutilated bodies, road side bombs and shots in the back

[Argyll]

Russian Texan,
Your estimates on Soviet Cas figs in Afghanistan seem very conservative @1300 +.
Is this a typo?I would have thought 13 thousand perhaps?

http://www.bdg.minsk.by/cegi/N2/Afg/Waraf.htm

[Russian Texan]

Russian Texan,
Your estimates on Soviet Cas figs in Afghanistan seem very conservative @1300 +.
Is this a typo?I would have thought 13 thousand perhaps?

http://www.bdg.minsk.by/cegi/N2/Afg/Waraf.htm

Sorry, typo. The actual number is 13330.

[Haiw]

I don't care about your whole argument, but since you where too lazy to study history;



Lithuania
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Poland
1940
Czechoslavakia
Prague Spring ring a bell? 1968
Bulgaria
You invaded them after they withdrew from the war and installed a communist government, making it another sattelite state.
Romania
You stole a big chunk of land from them in 1940, and even after WW2 you never really gave all of it back.
the Ukraine
Not exactely invaded, but you started like several millions of their population back in the 30s. (main reason why a lot of them sided with Germany in WW2)
Latvia
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Estonia
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Finland (didn't quite make it on that one though!)
1939
Afghanistan
1979

When did Russia invade any of those countries? Dates please.

In red... :roll:

[Vance]

[quote=mi35d]Russian Texan:

So, you've got the plan allright! Lets look back a few years, shall we?

Has Russia sincerely apologized for invading:

Lithuania - Somewhere during 1944 - can't find exact date
Poland - 17 September, 1939
Czechoslavakia - 22 August, 1968
Bulgaria
Romania
The Ukraine
Latvia
Estonia
Finland - 30 November 1939
Afghanistan - 25 December, 1979

When did Russia invade any of those countries? Dates please.

This should be enough to make my point. And don't pull the BS statement 'Russians aren't/weren't Soviets'.

[Russian Texan]

And don't pull the BS statement 'Russians aren't/weren't Soviets'.

And why not?

Russia is not USSR... just like Texas is not USA.

May be you think that: Stalin, Trotskij, Berijya, Dzerzhinskij were Russinas also?

[Russian Texan]

I don't care about your whole argument, but since you where too lazy to study history;



Lithuania
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Poland
1940
Czechoslavakia
Prague Spring ring a bell? 1968
Bulgaria
You invaded them after they withdrew from the war and installed a communist government, making it another sattelite state.
Romania
You stole a big chunk of land from them in 1940, and even after WW2 you never really gave all of it back.
the Ukraine
Not exactely invaded, but you started like several millions of their population back in the 30s. (main reason why a lot of them sided with Germany in WW2)
Latvia
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Estonia
Annexed by the USSR in 1940, didn't exactely have a 'happy existance' after that untill their independance.
Finland (didn't quite make it on that one though!)
1939
Afghanistan
1979

When did Russia invade any of those countries? Dates please.

In red... :roll:
I see lots of USSR but no Russia, so let me ask again: When did Russia invade those countries?

[Haiw]

Brezjnev was a Russian. :P

Besides... USSR, Russian Federation; same Kremlin. :roll:

[ibstolidude]

They are actually "chickenhawks" rofl


http://www.symbolman.com/chickenhawks.html

gif there reminded me - I actually saw someone protesting the Patriot act as a violation of constitutional rights wearing a stricter gun control shirt..

whaaaa???

anyway I once I saw that they would only show Republican chicken hawks it was worthless.

[Russian Texan]

Brezjnev was a Russian. :P
So?

Besides... USSR, Russian Federation; same Kremlin. :roll:

If you say so :roll:

Why not accuse Kazakhstan od invading all those countries, it was part of the USSR also?

[5jumpchump]

Iraq war is a failure ??? . We took it within a month , because of a sand storm it was viewed as a military catastrophe .like 6 days later it was all over . We still won though . Then over the course of a year we lost some 600 soldiers and IT is being compared to Vietnam rofl we lost 55,000 soldiers in NAM . How do you view 600 to 55,000 a lost cause ???
So we didn't find any WMD - who cares ? He HAD them at one point when he used them to kill off villages of his own people , killed like 2,000 or something . You’re telling me within the 4 months it took us to get off our lazy ass and FINALLY go in Sadam couldn't have possibly gotten all that **** out of Iraq and into Iran /Syria ? Pullllllllllease :roll: For all the people biatching about this " unjust war " go to Iraq and tell the surviving citizens who have been under that brutal regimes hammer for the past thirty years that it was wrong for the US to end it all . As far as the good'ol " Bush just wants oil " excuse I ask you this . If we wanted oil that badly why didn't we just go in and take over Iraq in the first war ? We only killed have his Army , ALL of his air force , and weaked their war machine to the point where it would only take hours to finished them off and OWN the damn country . **** Norman Shwartskov was foaming at the mouth and rubbing his hands to kill the rest of the Iraqi Army off . If we made any mistake it was not finishing them off back then . I think it had something to do with if we weakened their force too much Iran would roll right into Baghdad and blow up everything . So we held off on killing the bad animals so the other badder animals wouldn't beat up the bad animals .
And that's who we are dealing with - animals . And what happened last week on the bridge with the 4 American civilians shows that they are animals . After seeing all this crap in the news the possibility of invading Iraq was to create a sponge so soaked up all the terrorist organizations from the middle east instead of them focusing primarily on the US could be the last and true answer . And if it is true then good . Better them fuggers blowing themselves up then Americans on US soil blowing up .
So we pull out in June . My only wish is to invade Iran next , then the big N.K :bash:

[ibstolidude]

Hey if we do #8 can we pull the 1/3 of global international aid with us that the US provides?

I'm game sign me up - but don't anyone com ebegging for hand outs.

And since we are seeking to impose such isolationism on ourselves lets do it right.

:roll:

[5jumpchump]

#8 , isolationism ? Huh ?

[Beowulf]

#8 , isolationism ? Huh ?

read first...then type. ;)

[Haiw]

Brezjnev was a Russian. :P
So?

Besides... USSR, Russian Federation; same Kremlin. :roll:

If you say so :roll:

Why not accuse Kazakhstan od invading all those countries, it was part of the USSR also?
Well in case you didn't know...the big majority of the USSR was Russians. Besides, you Russians always seem the first to claim that 'you kicked the Germans asses'. If you're willing to accept the good things you should accept the bad things too. :roll:

[Vance]

And don't pull the BS statement 'Russians aren't/weren't Soviets'.

And why not?

Russia is not USSR... just like Texas is not USA.

Texans are Americans, are they not?

[SeanAshi]

Russia is not USSR... just like Texas is not USA.
Since Texas was taken by force from Mexico we are Americans ;) sorry Mexico....I still don't think they recovered from 1830's

[5jumpchump]

No , Texans are steers . Or is it queers ? I forgot .

[SeanAshi]

what the hell is a steer?

[Russian Texan]

Well in case you didn't know...the big majority of the USSR was Russians.
Really? WOW!

Besides, you Russians always seem the first to claim
When and where?

that 'you kicked the Germans asses'.
Soviet people did, it is an inclusive term

If you're willing to accept the good things you should accept the bad things too. :roll:
Russia already did - we are paid/paying all of the USSR's debts, including those that were incurred by the other republics...

Darling, you are arguing against historical facts and common sense...


The USSR was composed of:

* the Russian Federation, itself containing 86 nationalities, many of them living in Autonomous Republics within the Federation, but in most cases as ethnic minorities within their Autonomous Republic, in which Russians are in the majority;
* the other two Slav Republics, Byelorussia and the Ukraine which have close historical and cultural links with Russia;
* the remote central republic of Kazakhstan which has been populated with 60% Russians;
* the three Baltic Republics, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, which were annexed by Stalin in 1939, have large Russian minorities but are ethnically related to the Scandinavian people, have close links with Poland and have a long tradition of national identity;
* the ethnic Romanian and extremely poor Moldavia which was annexed after the War;
* the three Transcaucasian Republics, Georgia, itself containing a number of rebellious autonomous republics within its borders, the Shi-ite Muslim Azerbaijan and Christian Armenia which are riven by intense national conflicts which, as in the Balkans, are the legacy of the struggle between Christendom and Islam over the centuries, and have only small ethnic Russian minorities;
* the four Central Asian Republics, the larger Uzbekhistan, and the smaller Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Kirghizstan, all predominantly Sunni-Muslim and poor, with economies mostly based on cotton production.

[Haiw]

You seem to miss the point a bit because about half the list I explained above consisted of countries you just listed... :roll:

[Russian Texan]

You seem to miss the point a bit because about half the list I explained above consisted of countries you just listed... :roll:


You seem not to be able to grasp it, let me try again:

Russia is not USSR, it was one of 15 components of it.
And every one of those states had a distinct culture.
Soviet military wasn't made up of just Russians....
Dzerzhinskij (grandfather of KGB) was Polish

Stalin didn't even look like Russian, he was Georgean...
The irony is that the guy who ended USSR - Gorbachev was Russian.

Baltic states were annexed by the USSR, Poland was invaded by the USSR, etc...

When you bundle up every person who comes from a territory of the former USSR, you are doing nothing but showing your poor education and ignorance...
In comparative terms: USSR was more like a British empire rather than US...
USSR was like a college dorm: people who lived in it, even though they shared some things, were very distinct.

[MEGR]

I think one Marine has died already in this ongoing operation.. Rest in Peace buddy.

[Vance]

No , Texans are steers . Or is it queers ? I forgot .
Son, you got a panty on your head.