View Full Version : British Grenade Launcher?
Geezah
04-05-2004, 01:44 PM
Do the MoD have an equivalent for the M203 which attaches to the the SA80?
http://world.guns.ru/assault/m4m203.jpg
M4 carbine with older style M203 40mm grenade launcher. Buttstock is fully collapsed.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/m16a1_m203.jpg
M16A1 rifle with 30 rounds magazine and a 40mm M203 grenade launcher attached
http://world.guns.ru/assault/l85a1.jpg
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http://world.guns.ru/assault/l85a2.jpg
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http://world.guns.ru/assault/l85car.jpg
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I'm not in the armed forces but I think they issued with grenades they place on the end of the SA80's barrel and then fire that. The others will tell you for sure.
Imshi-Yallah
04-05-2004, 01:48 PM
There has been a new service grenade launcher issued to replace the energa-ish barrel launched grenades and the 51mm mortar, its smalller than the M203 but its more than likely still a breach loader.
The AG36, which is also in use with the Dutch forces.
Yeah the best comes always from HK
Yeah the best comes always from HK
enough of that
DeltaWhisky58
04-05-2004, 01:56 PM
THe version of the SA80 fitted wit the H&K AG-36 Grenade Launcher is known as the SA80A2UGL or just "UGL" - Underslung Grenade Launcher
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/para_basrah2.jpg
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/captured_wpns2.jpg
Basically it uses the forend and UGL from the H&K G-36 attached to the SA80A2
Hydro
04-05-2004, 01:58 PM
Yep, British forces get a modified Heckler and Koch AGC to attach to their SA80's. H&K do indeed make some great stuff.
Docman
04-05-2004, 02:05 PM
It is just coming into use.
http://dboy.cpgl.net/Britain/sa80/ag36.jpg
As is the Irish Armys new Steyr AUG with Diemaco M203A2
http://airshow.topcities.com/army_weapons/images/army_display_1.jpg
Geezah
04-05-2004, 02:15 PM
THe version of the SA80 fitted wit the H&K AG-36 Grenade Launcher is known as the SA80A2UGL or just "UGL" - Underslung Grenade Launcher
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/para_basrah2.jpg
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/captured_wpns2.jpg
Basically it uses the forend and UGL from the H&K G-36 attached to the SA80A2
Cool deal......I take it this is a fairly recent thing then, only over the last coupe of years?
Royal
04-05-2004, 02:20 PM
Cool deal......I take it this is a fairly recent thing then, only over the last coupe of years?
No.
We've had M203 for decades...
Look who's paying us a visit again! woot
BTW, which other units apart from the SAS (and I suppose the SBS too) used the M203 in the past then?
Royal
04-05-2004, 03:02 PM
I only said "good-night" - I needed a few days in the hills to sort myself out - the bull**** on here wasn't helping any.
BTW Well done to Hood, Tane and the other Mods - things are looking alot better.
To answer your question. Until the L85A1 came in pretty much anyone, both in NI and in the jungle. The M16A2 in particular was very widely used in South Armagh and in Belize/Brunei. The high profile users (among alot of others) were RM M&AW Cadre, RM Recce Tps, 5 Abn Bde Pathfinder Coy, 148 Bty RA, 2 Sqn RAF Regt...
martinexsquaddie
04-05-2004, 03:10 PM
even line infantry got the m203 in NI
**** yeah I could have known you told that before martin. Thanks for the info both of ya.
Geezah
04-05-2004, 03:48 PM
Cool deal......I take it this is a fairly recent thing then, only over the last coupe of years?
No.
We've had M203 for decades...
As an attachment to the SA80(sorry if I'm misunderstanding what's being said here) or being used in conjunction with the M16?
Royal
04-05-2004, 03:55 PM
The latter...
Flagg
04-05-2004, 04:05 PM
http://airshow.topcities.com/army_weapons/images/army_display_1.jpg
The M203 used in New Zealand appears nearly identical to this unit, the only difference I can find is a flexible re-inforced rubber neck at the end of the barrel. And it's not made by Diemaco....it's made by a company in Tampa, Florida. I've got a photo of the Kiwi M203...once I get it developed I'll try and post it.
I just fired the 203 on Sunday.....chalk and HE.......except for riding motorbikes, the most fun you can have with your clothes on.....and quite easy to shoot accurately.
I hit a metal board 150+ meters out every time(5 rounds).....more experienced users can put chalk rounds into a 55-gal drum at over 200 meters like Michael Jordan dropping 3 pointers.
cbreedon
04-05-2004, 04:31 PM
http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/ops/para_basrah2.jpg
This is offtopic but the helmet cover that he has isn't standard UK unless they've change. It looks like the old US "chocolate chip pattern"
Royal
04-05-2004, 04:37 PM
and?
And the boy on the right carries a PT shirt that isn't Iraqi civilian standard issue. ;)
Resevoir Hogs
04-05-2004, 04:50 PM
Aren't they just paras? The guys with the different looking helmets.
Geezah
04-05-2004, 04:50 PM
The latter...
Thank you.
I know that the M16 was in service while they also used the L1A1 but was there a unit(grenade launcher) that attached to the L1A1?
Hydro
04-05-2004, 04:53 PM
US pattern helmet covers were probably used as there might've been a shortage of DPM desert pattern?
To my knowledge there was no grenade launcher that fitted onto the SLR in British service, the M79 saw use in British hands, along with the 2 inch/51mm mortar.
Royal
04-05-2004, 05:04 PM
US pattern helmet covers were probably used as there might've been a shortage of DPM desert pattern?
To my knowledge there was no grenade launcher that fitted onto the SLR in British service, the M79 saw use in British hands, along with the 2 inch/51mm mortar.
The US pattern helmet covers were used because para's have a peculiar habit of covering their helmets in with a string net. Normally they cut the elastic strips off and use the cover like that.
Many of them aquired old 'choc chip' covers while they were clearing out all the surpluss shops in Colchester and the South East, knowing that bufHoon would ensure that they weren't kitted out properly.
The M79 and M203 were used extensively throughout the UK armed forces in the 70's and early 80's. To the best of my knowledge there was no UGL for the L1A1. Certainly none on general issue. The 84mm Carl Gustav was actually closer in role than the 51mm mortar which was rarely used for anything other than smoke and illum. The 2" mortar went out with the .303 in the 1950's.
cbreedon
04-05-2004, 05:28 PM
what's the white-ish strip of elastic on the helmet for? I see alot Brit pictures have it.
ZoneOne
04-05-2004, 07:11 PM
http://www.army-technology.com/contractor_images/arges/new5.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/ag36spain.jpg
http://www.hkpro.com/g36tgs_r.jpg
heres some pics i hope everyone likes
i like the G36 a lot better then the SA80
im a big fan of H&K especially with there new rifle coming out thats based off of the OICW the XM-8
heres a pic of that
http://dboy.cpgl.net/USA/oicw/xm8soldier.jpg
Operation Ivy
04-05-2004, 09:38 PM
http://img20.photobucket.com/albums/v60/OpIvy/xm8.jpg
:P
Hydro
04-05-2004, 10:00 PM
US pattern helmet covers were probably used as there might've been a shortage of DPM desert pattern?
To my knowledge there was no grenade launcher that fitted onto the SLR in British service, the M79 saw use in British hands, along with the 2 inch/51mm mortar.
The 84mm Carl Gustav was actually closer in role than the 51mm mortar which was rarely used for anything other than smoke and illum. The 2" mortar went out with the .303 in the 1950's.
Thanks for clarifying Royal, I wonder why the 84 was scrapped, it's still a formidable weapon, especially when equipped with HE rounds.
Seoulstriker
04-05-2004, 11:25 PM
this should have been posted in the photos forum. :P
great discussion, guys. i enjoyed it. :)
Royal
04-06-2004, 02:28 AM
what's the white-ish strip of elastic on the helmet for? I see alot Brit pictures have it.
The one round the rim is a US issue cats-eyes band - most Brits aquire them on PX runs. The one over the top is a piece of elastic to use as a 'quick' chin-strap when a respirator is worn, for those that can't be bothered to sort out the straps so that they fit/adjust properly.
Thanks for clarifying Royal, I wonder why the 84 was scrapped, it's still a formidable weapon, especially when equipped with HE rounds.
Because it didn't have the penetration to take out MBT's when the 3rd Shock Army was still in fashion in Moscow. We got the 94mm LAW instead. 'Nobody' thought that we'd need to take out bunkers and buildings anymore (Lessons Learned anyone?), so we just use Milan at £16,000 a shot...
mocking_loudly_died
04-06-2004, 02:34 AM
Do the Royal Marines still have a good looks entrance test?
Royal
04-06-2004, 02:56 AM
Do the Royal Marines still have a good looks entrance test?
Absolutely - you don't think they took me for my ability to carry a heavy bergan for days on end and then shoot straight do you? I'm Brad Pitt's long lost twin brother.
mocking_loudly_died
04-06-2004, 02:59 AM
Do the Royal Marines still have a good looks entrance test?
Absolutely - you don't think they took me for my ability to carry a heavy bergan for days on end and then shoot straight do you? I'm Brad Pitt's long lost twin brother.
It’s good to hear, no one wants ugly royal marines (only ugly Para's).
Flagg
04-06-2004, 05:18 AM
Do the Royal Marines still have a good looks entrance test?
One of the DS during Basic was an ex-Royal Marine.......let me tell ya....he'll never win a beauty contest......he's just mean and ugly
Geezah
04-06-2004, 08:32 AM
http://world.guns.ru/assault/akm_gp25.jpg
AKM with GP-25 40mm underbarrel grenade launcher
http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak-107.jpg
AK-107, AK-108
http://world.guns.ru/assault/groza3.jpg
"Groza" in 9 mm - Assault rifle/grenade launcher configuration
Seeing as we strayed from just the MoD grenade launcher, I added a few Russian ;)
That british Para... He hasn't got the ordinary battle vest. The right side chest pouch is different ond bigger than the usual one. Is it pouch for AG-36 ammo?
haze99
04-08-2004, 07:45 AM
The L-85A1 (SA80) didn't have a GL until what, the mid 1990's, when the HK-79 was tested? But, I guess it didn't pass the test!? AG-36 appears to better suited for the L-85A1, due to its bull-pup configuration.
A bunch have countries have made M-203 type clones. Some good, some poor. (inaccurate or causes imbalance to the rifle attached to it)
When did the UK forces first get M-203's?
BTW, no I have not seen a L-1A1 with a GL. Wait, I have seen one Vietnam War photo of Aussie SAS troopers with a L-1A1/XM-148. (only one I have ever seen!)
Mark Sman
04-08-2004, 08:07 AM
The 2" mortar went out with the .303 in the 1950's.
Baaah, this is just until the powers that be realize the superiority of the SMLE to all other weapon systems.
Royal
04-08-2004, 09:37 AM
That british Para... He hasn't got the ordinary battle vest. The right side chest pouch is different ond bigger than the usual one. Is it pouch for AG-36 ammo?
No idea - it's not issue kit.
When did the UK forces first get M-203's?
I don't know exactly, but we've had them since the early 70's.
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