What do you think about German...

[Aptrganga]

ships and naval units sent to the Mediterranian Sea? I am against it - the was army not founded to be sent over the whole world, just home defense- has to do with our past of course. And Hezbollah members smuggling weapons most definitely are not scared off by vessels sent by decadent western states.

[Macs.]

Yes, the armys original purpose was not to be deployed all over the world, but times have changed and so have the tasks for this army.

The Bundeswehr is in a transformation-progress and today we break the mark of 10.000 deployed soldiers in places such as Kosovo, Afghanistan, Congo, Horn of Africa to the Mediterranean Sea and some other small deployments around the globe, which is (in my opinion) a pretty good progress for a army which job just 16 years ago was to defend the country against a invasion from the east and not the deployment of soldiers in far away countries. (There a still big problems in the Bundeswehr system, no question.)


And Hezbollah members smuggling weapons most definitely are not scared off by vessels sent by decadent western states.

I believe the ROEs for this deployment are strict enough to scare them off.

Anyway, we will see how it works out. Best wishes to the sailors who are on their way right now.

[getl0st]

I don't know, it depends if the boats are full of Nazi's or not.

[HOLLiS]

I don't know, it depends if the boats are full of Nazi's or not.


I guess noone told you N. Germany has not been around for about 60 Years.

[haze99]

Sorry, you cannot protest any deployment of German troops outside Deutschland! For you are now in the EU! Get ready for more "interventions" around the world. For the EU will be leading the pack!

[ZaakM433]

Sorry, you cannot protest any deployment of German troops outside Deutschland! For you are now in the EU! Get ready for more "interventions" around the world. For the EU will be leading the pack!

When do they start?

[Aptrganga]

Yes, the armys original purpose was not to be deployed all over the world, but times have changed and so have the tasks for this army.
The original mission has not changed.


The Bundeswehr is in a transformation-progress and today we break the mark of 10.000 deployed soldiers in places such as Kosovo, Afghanistan, Congo, Horn of Africa to the Mediterranean Sea and some other small deployments around the globe, which is (in my opinion) a pretty good progress for a army which job just 16 years ago was to defend the country against a invasion from the east and not the deployment of soldiers in far away countries.
What is pretty good for German (and other) soldiers fighting and dying far from home in conflicts they are not their concern? The so-called fight against terror is an absolute hoax - just look how many terrorist are given refugee in FRGermany/EU, just look how terrorists are given benefits by FRGermany, just have a look how terrorists are spared from jail in FRGermany despite they were sentenced to prison!


(There a still big problems in the Bundeswehr system, no question.)
There are, indeed.


I believe the ROEs for this deployment are strict enough to scare them off.
When you want to believe things go to church (...), they simply use different routes, or wait until the ships have withdrawn.


Anyway, we will see how it works out. Best wishes to the sailors who are on their way right now.
I also send them best wishes - and may they come back home asap.
Let's see how Hizbollah bombs one of our ships making them flee - like the US did in the 80ies after the serious strike carried out by Hizbollah.



Sorry, you cannot protest any deployment of German troops outside Deutschland! For you are now in the EU! Get ready for more "interventions" around the world.
I can protest against anything I want - as patriot it is my duty to do so.
The EU is a bunch of crap and I am happy most Europeans see it this way as well :)



For the EU will be leading the pack!
Haha - the terror-supporters, not recognizing Hizbollah and others as terrorist movements - want to fight terrorists - hilarious.
Everybody is scared about the fissling paper-tigerp-)

[haze99]

The war on Islamic Terrorism is not a hoax! Who in the hell do think attempted to blow the WTC in February 1993? (One hint, it sure wasn't the damn Red Army Brigade!)
While I am on this topic, let's not forget these other attacks, against US personnel!
Khobar Towers, June 1996
US Embassy in Tanzania & Kenya, August 1998
USS Cole in Yemen, October 2000
and the worst of all Sept. 11th, 2001!
I guess you have not gotten the news on all the "islamic" folks who have been plotting attacks in England, Canada, & USA? (second hint, it ain't Saint Nick!)

In case you have not noticed, the Bundesweher (with the leading of the EU) is in Djbouti, Congo and even completed excerises in Cape Verde(?)
You can protest until the Sudetanland is given back to Deutschland for all I care! You are now apart of a bigger entity than just Germany! You are in the EU! And as such will properly carry out its wishes when needed!
Good luck in your protest at the Reichstag! Hopefully, Merkel will take some personal time out of her busy schedule to address your grievance!

[Aptrganga]

The war on Islamic Terrorism is not a hoax!
First of all: Terror is a method of fighting, you can not battle a method but terrorists.


Who in the hell do think attempted to blow the WTC in February 1993? (One hint, it sure wasn't the damn Red Army Brigade!)
Well, those having been supported by the West for a long time against the Red Army.


While I am on this topic, let's not forget these other attacks, against US personnel!
Khobar Towers, June 1996
US Embassy in Tanzania & Kenya, August 1998
USS Cole in Yemen, October 2000
and the worst of all Sept. 11th, 2001!
Did I ever deny these attacks or something like that?


I guess you have not gotten the news on all the "islamic" folks who have been plotting attacks in England, Canada, & USA? (second hint, it ain't Saint Nick!)
Have a break: read what I have written, then start writing a reply! The EU, especially their members Federal Republic of Germany and France support Islamic terrorists, grant them asylum here, provide money to them (in exchange here are no terrorist attacks - who would bomb his save heaven?) and foil US attempts. At the same time they send our boys all over the world and and are proud Condy and George commend them for their efforts against the terrrorists.


In case you have not noticed, the Bundeswehr (with the leading of the EU) is in Djbouti, Congo and even completed excerises in Cape Verde(?)
I have noticed these futile actions. Meanwhile Islamic terrorists preach here in mosques German women deserve to get raped and Israel and JewSA need to be bombed.


You can protest until the Sudetanland is given back to Deutschland for all I care!
Sudentenland is Czech (Bohemian) and never was a part of Germany hillbilly - educate yourself. It was part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation - which was more or less a multi-ethnic state.


You are now apart of a bigger entity than just Germany! You are in the EU! And as such will properly carry out its wishes when needed!
Wow - it seems you like corrupt, super-bureaucratic treaty-monsters.
This organization was founded to wipe out national states, national identities and, of course, native ethnicities.
This organization was not founded to last for eternity.


Good luck in your protest at the Reichstag! Hopefully, Merkel will take some personal time out of her busy schedule to address your grievance!
Good look for your comrades dying in batle haing been funded by your own corrupt politicans and are supported by the migty EU.

[Invisigoth]

Have a break: read what I have written, then start writing a reply! The EU, especially their members Federal Republic of Germany and France support Islamic terrorists, grant them asylum here, provide money to them (in exchange here are no terrorist attacks - who would bomb his save heaven?)

I have noticed these futile actions. Meanwhile Islamic terrorists preach here in mosques German women deserve to get raped and Israel and JewSA need to be bombed.

Wow - it seems you like corrupt, super-bureaucratic treaty-monsters.
This organization was founded to wipe out national states, national identities and, of course, native ethnicities.
This organization was not founded to last for eternity.

Good look for your comrades dying in batle haing been funded by your own corrupt politicans and are supported by the migty EU.

You should really re-read what you are writing. Take a step back and take a serious look because your "arguments" make you look completely retarded.


MfG

Inv

P.S. dont feed the trolls.

[Atlantic Friend]

Sorry, you cannot protest any deployment of German troops outside Deutschland! For you are now in the EU! Get ready for more "interventions" around the world. For the EU will be leading the pack!

It isn't the EU who decides for the deployment of national troops...Hint : it may have to do with the fact the EU is an association of sovereign countries.

[Atlantic Friend]

Have a break: read what I have written, then start writing a reply! The EU, especially their members Federal Republic of Germany and France support Islamic terrorists, grant them asylum here, provide money to them (in exchange here are no terrorist attacks - who would bomb his save heaven?) and foil US attempts.
At the same time they send our boys all over the world and and are proud Condy and George commend them for their efforts against the terrrorists.

1) Care to provide any kind of evidence for these rather ludicrous claims ?
2) Doesn't it seem to you that the first part of the quote isn't particularly coherent with the second one ?
3) How old are you exactly, BTW ?

[Invisigoth]

1) Care to provide any kind of evidence for these rather ludicrous claims ?
2) Doesn't it seem to you that the first part of the quote isn't particularly coherent with the second one ?
3) How old are you exactly, BTW ?

Don't bother, its some 12 year old kid. Especially those from lower educational and social backgrounds feel attracted to throwing around things they picked up from boulevard newspapers, their friendly next door Nazi neighbor (check his/her/its profile), and whatever any news media may feed them.

Classic example of a user that should dissapear as fast as he/she/it appeared.

my 2 cents

[eugenlitwin]

Think Germany has to do it, they has to play more active role in peace keeping process

[Aptrganga]

You should really re-read what you are writing. Take a step back and take a serious look because your "arguments" make you look completely retarded.

Can you elaborate further? Or, is this all what you can say?


P.S. dont feed the trolls.
Are you not hungry?
- bring some facts!


It isn't the EU who decides for the deployment of national troops...Hint : it may have to do with the fact the EU is an association of sovereign countries.
Well, what's with the EU rapid forces etc.?
EU and souvereignity are mutual exlusive!


1) Care to provide any kind of evidence for these rather ludicrous claims ?
Ludicrous? It seems you haven't an idea what's going on.
Motassadeq was sentenced to 7 years of prison for his involvment into the 9.11 attacks. He was spared from going to prison. Sometimes here are raids against terror but hardly anyone ever is sentenced to prison. Germany is known to be a save heaven for foreign insurgents - since there is no rule of law.
FRGerman gov often enough criticized the USA for jailing terror suspects - instead of jailing them themselves.


2) Doesn't it seem to you that the first part of the quote isn't particularly coherent with the second one?
Insane isn't it? One the one hand the US government is happy about Germany's support in Aghanistan etc., on the other hand they criticized more than one time FRGermany's easy going inside. On etim eit even was considered to send some Delta forces to Germany which was not done to avoid diplomatic consequences. Israel also abstained from doing so for the same reason.


3) How old are you exactly, BTW ?
This is none of your business. At sept.11th I was soldier and watched German politicans saying we should not support the USA.
I am not interested in you age - but open your eyes!



Don't bother, its some 12 year old kid.
If it was like that - how many years would I be older than you?


Especially those from lower educational and social backgrounds feel attracted to throwing around things they picked up from boulevard newspapers,
LOL
I just do not fall prey to propaganda like you do.


their friendly next door Nazi neighbor (check his/her/its profile), and whatever any news media may feed them.
Now, it is clear you are low educated and of low social descent. You have no arguments and now you are trying to discredit me as Nazi. Nice try:)
To your information: many Nazis support Islamic terrorism, here in Germany as in the USA, and I am not only referring to moral backing!



Classic example of a user that should dissapear as fast as he/she/it appeared.

my 2 cents

Well, trolls like you are comfortable here - I just came around to disenchat Neo-cons and others a little bit p-)

[Invisigoth]

I think this statement ("since there is no rule of law" [in Germany]) disqualifies you from any discussions between adults :( (Of course that is not mentioning your desire to see German women raped and Jews bombed)

[Aptrganga]

I think this statement ("since there is no rule of law" [in Germany]) disqualifies you from any discussions between adults :(

Why? Are you referring to the "Grundgesetz"? That's not in force.
What's about the missing peace-treaty between UN and Germany and Japan?



(Of course that is not mentioning your desire to see German women raped and Jews bombed)

A German saying Jews must be uprooted will be sentenced to jail. That's Okay. A Muslim saying repeateldy the same is not sentenced to anything - but instead a "dialogue of cultures" and something like this is launched...
A German saying Turks are lazy, smelling, whatever is senteced to pay fees. A Turk repeatedly preaching Germans are lazy stinking worthless people (in Germany) is not sentenced to anything - to save the illusion multiculti could work one day.

[Invisigoth]

Why? Are you referring to the "Grundgesetz"? That's not in force.
What's about the missing peace-treaty between UN and Germany and Japan?



A German saying Jews must be uprooted will be sentenced to jail. That's Okay. A Muslim saying repeateldy the same is not sentenced to anything - but instead a "dialogue of cultures" and something like this is launched...
A German saying Turks are lazy, smelling, whatever is senteced to pay fees. A Turk repeatedly preaching Germans are lazy stinking worthless people (in Germany) is not sentenced to anything - to save the illusion multiculti could work one day.

Oh goodness I can't believe I am answering to this, but I guess you always hope for light at the end of the tunnel...

1) Rule of law is defined in terms of the presence of law, where law is "the collection of rules imposed by authority." Since there is different perceptives on rule of law, I have allowed me to highlight you a few scholarly approaches.


(1) those that emphasize the ends that the rule of law is intended to serve within society (such as upholding law and order, or providing predictable and efficient judgments), and (2) those that highlight the institutional attributes believed necessary to actuate the rule of law (such as comprehensive laws, well-functioning courts, and trained law enforcement agencies). Rachel Kleinfeld, Carnegie Paper No. 55, January 2005


Which in essence means that the characteristics of rule of law, are
the supremacy of law (all are subject to law) - present in Germany? - Check.

independent judiciary - present in Germany? - Check.

justice (law is applied equally to everybody - depends on independent juidicary) - present in Germany? - Check.

etc.

So basically, you're claim of an absence of "rule of law" in Germany based on the arguments that you found in some NPD pamphlet are outrageous to say the least.



Now to the rest of your "claims":

You spurt around slogans that you picked up somewhere but do you have any actual proof for anything you are saying?

Where in Germany has there been proven hatespeech denying the holocaust that has not been investigated/pursued by the law? Enlighten us.

Same applies to your comments about Turks.


Sounds to me like the right-wing jibberish of a confused 12-year old.

[Asheren]

ships and naval units sent to the Mediterranian Sea? I am against it - the was army not founded to be sent over the whole world, just home defense- has to do with our past of course. And Hezbollah members smuggling weapons most definitely are not scared off by vessels sent by decadent western states.

Army whithout any combat experience will deteriorate fast only way to gain it atm is to participate in various missions across the globe.

[ren0312]

Well I think that this is a good move for Germany, to get more involved in peacekeeping/peacemaking operations, like the UK for instance, I also think that its military budget must be increased, to about between 3 and 3.5 per cent of GDP from the present 1.2, it is only natural for Germany to take the lead on defence issues in Europe, since it has the largest GDP, and hence can afford the most formidable armed forces in the EU, in fact there should be a rule in the EU stating that a country's defence budget must not be below 2 per cent of GDP, similar to the 3 per cent of GDP defecit rule.

[Asheren]

It wouldn't be a good idea cos anyone remmember how it ended last time.

[Snoshi]

I completely support this. I was hoping for German troops on the ground..

[Aptrganga]

Oh goodness I can't believe I am answering to this, but I guess you always hope for light at the end of the tunnel...
Yes, I could not sleep at night without having been enlighted by your wisdom.


1) Rule of law is defined in terms of the presence of law, where law is "the collection of rules imposed by authority." Since there is different perceptives on rule of law, I have allowed me to highlight you a few scholarly approaches.


(1) those that emphasize the ends that the rule of law is intended to serve within society (such as upholding law and order, or providing predictable and efficient judgments), and (2) those that highlight the institutional attributes believed necessary to actuate the rule of law (such as comprehensive laws, well-functioning courts, and trained law enforcement agencies). Rachel Kleinfeld, Carnegie Paper No. 55, January 2005So any law enforced by anyone is "rule of law" . Saddan Hussein only wanted the best for his people, his courts worked fast and well, judges were well trained, serving his society...


Which in essence means that the characteristics of rule of law, are
the supremacy of law (all are subject to law) - present in Germany? - Check.
Checked. Supremacy of law that never was implemented rightfully and serving the ruling ideolgy but not German people.


independent judiciary - present in Germany? - Check.
Checked. Judges of the Highest Court are nominated by politicans of the party they are/were member of. Just guess who pays and makes the "order-supervision" for the judges - the Minister of Justice - oops - how independent :D


justice (law is applied equally to everybody - depends on independent juidicary) - present in Germany? - Check.
Checked. I see it every day it is not like that. Especially dissenters having committed thought crimes can expect anything else but a fair and independent judging.



etc.

So basically, you're claim of an absence of "rule of law" in Germany based on the arguments that you found in some NPD pamphlet are outrageous to say the least.
I do not want the rule of any law - I want German law for Germans.
Just wait - when NPD gets stronger and more vote for them suddenly it will be outlawed, like other parties were outlawed before when they opposed the corrupt FRG ruled by a party cartel.


Now to the rest of your "claims":

You spurt around slogans that you picked up somewhere but do you have any actual proof for anything you are saying?
First of all I walk around with open eyes. Once I was like you, believing thing were more or less going right, until I made the decision to look deeper into it.
Proof is for example my experience - I expect if I would give some link you would say those were untrustworthy just because they debunk your ideology.


Where in Germany has there been proven hatespeech denying the holocaust that has not been investigated/pursued by the law? Enlighten us.
Now - in fact there are hardly any trials despite this "crime" has been committed. But by non-Germans. If there was rightful law no Muslim would live here anyway.

Interesting:
http://cathyyoung.blogspot.com/2006/04/muslim-holocaust-denial-meme-and-other.html
http://www.seanbryson.com/articles/auschwitz.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013240.php
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/07/norwegian-authorities-still-covering.html
http://www.nordish.net/blog/

Unfortunately we do not have the right of free speech here in the FRG - at least those who oppose the current regime, I will deliver more information in addition later - it's no fun browsing Google censoring impoetant sources.


Same applies to your comments about Turks.
So you want to deny Police does not dare to investigate in order not to be blamed to be racist? Just hav ea look who committs the most crimes here - Vice polce chief of Berlin was sacked for saying the truth, most have learned this lesson of the "independent rule of absolutistic law"...
To avoid diplomatic trouble with Saudi-Arabia FRG decided not to close a mosque in which repeatedly came into news because of it's prayers.


Sounds to me like the right-wing jibberish of a confused 12-year old.
Right-wing, indeed, of course Neo-Cons and Commies do not like this, no matter what age they are...

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

[Aptrganga]

I completely support this. I was hoping for German troops on the ground..

Why?
Do you think some vessels stop Hezbollah from smuggling waepons? Do you think German troops have any skills needed there? Asia must solve Asian problems, Germany yet belongs to Europe ad therefor has to care about European concerns.

[Aptrganga]

Army whithout any combat experience will deteriorate fast only way to gain it atm is to participate in various missions across the globe.
German army was not founded to be sent accross the globe but to defend Germany.



Well I think that this is a good move for Germany, to get more involved in peacekeeping/peacemaking operations, like the UK for instance, I also think that its military budget must be increased, to about between 3 and 3.5 per cent of GDP from the present 1.2, it is only natural for Germany to take the lead on defence issues in Europe, since it has the largest GDP, and hence can afford the most formidable armed forces in the EU, in fact there should be a rule in the EU stating that a country's defence budget must not be below 2 per cent of GDP, similar to the 3 per cent of GDP defecit rule.


Ridiculous. If you want peace you have to throw Muslims out of Europe and not to send troops anywhere causing hight costs for the tax payers - and gain nothing.

[Asheren]

You want to defend our country with army that has no combat experience or with army that has some peoples that saw battle or two. Training is necessary but can't be compared to real life.

[St Fubar]

You want to defend our country with army that has no combat experience or with army that has some peoples that saw battle or two. Training is necessary but can't be compared to real life.
I agree, but just a few people with experience do not make a difference, when it's the entire armed forces that needs to have its doctrines updated. Peacekeeping on the other hand only prepares you for similar tasks, not national defence.

[Atlantic Friend]

Ludicrous? It seems you haven't an idea what's going on.

Please enlighten me.


Motassadeq was sentenced to 7 years of prison for his involvment into the 9.11 attacks. He was spared from going to prison. Sometimes here are raids against terror but hardly anyone ever is sentenced to prison. Germany is known to be a save heaven for foreign insurgents - since there is no rule of law.

No rule of law in Germany ? I find it hard to believe. And what was the reason given to free Motassadeq ?


Insane isn't it? One the one hand the US government is happy about Germany's support in Aghanistan etc., on the other hand they criticized more than one time FRGermany's easy going inside. On etim eit even was considered to send some Delta forces to Germany which was not done to avoid diplomatic consequences. Israel also abstained from doing so for the same reason.

Last time I checked, the GSG-9 was pretty able to care care of things in your country - don't you think ? So when was it it was envisaged to send Delta Force or Israeli special forces ? Munich, 1972 or do you think about something more recent ?


This is none of your business. At sept.11th I was soldier and watched German politicans saying we should not support the USA.
I am not interested in you age - but open your eyes!

They are wide open and so are my ears. So, tell me what you would have done differently, and why you would have done it differently ? Obviousluy, you wouldn't have sent German troops to Iraq - you seem to consider the army has to stay within German borders. So what is the option you would have preferred ? Watch the US send troops and cheer them from afar ?

[Atlantic Friend]

Why?
Do you think some vessels stop Hezbollah from smuggling waepons?

Wasn't it what Israel said about their own naval blockade, that it was here to prevent weapons smuggling ?


Do you think German troops have any skills needed there?

Aren't German forces well trained, well equipped, and very professional ?


Asia must solve Asian problems, Germany yet belongs to Europe ad therefor has to care about European concerns.

Problem is, Asian troubles, African troubles or Middle-Eastern troubles have this tendency to ooze through borders and end up spelling trouble for Europe too. Isn't that what caused 9/11 ? The Western world thinking trouble in Asia would nicely agree to stay there ?

[Aptrganga]

You want to defend our country with army that has no combat experience or with army that has some peoples that saw battle or two. Training is necessary but can't be compared to real life.

So it makes sense just to send troops somewhere so they gain combat experience?
Lebanon made sure German vessels control where they want them to do - origially they even did not want to let them into the 7 miles zone...
Hezbollah just waits until the vessels are back home again - time plays for them.
There, in the Middle East, won't be peace until Israel seized to exist. And the Israelis refuse to perish, simple as that.

[Aptrganga]

Please enlighten me.
Especially France is giving in to Muslims whenever she can. Politics against Muslim interests is not possible there, FRGermany is at the brink to the same policy.


No rule of law in Germany ? I find it hard to believe. And what was the reason given to free Motassadeq ?
Law here is carried out arbitrary - especially when you are accused of committing thought crimes.
Motassadeq complained about the terms of his imprisonment. No new trial was launched.


Last time I checked, the GSG-9 was pretty able to care care of things in your country - don't you think ?
GSG-9 belongs to the Federal Police. They can carry out operations - but it is political will they do not do, with exceptions.


So when was it it was envisaged to send Delta Force or Israeli special forces ?
Munich, 1972 or do you think about something more recent ?
After it was clear Germany was a save harbour for terrorists. US officials urged German authorities to get active but they didnt. Some of the guys having left FRG in direction Pakistan were caught by Americans there.
One example is Murat Kurnaz, a Turk born in Bremen, he was caught in Pakistan where he was- on a nice summer trip I suppose - caught by American forces and brought to Guantanamo. German government protested against his imprisonment and he was released and brought back to Germany despite he is Turkish citizen.


They are wide open and so are my ears. So, tell me what you would have done differently, and why you would have done it differently ?
Well, especially France and Germany were the main supporters for Saddam Hussein despite it was clear what policy he pursues. First of all this hypocrisy must stop - there are not good murderers, terrorists and rapists, and bad murderers, terrorists and rapists.
If you want to rule Iraq you have to establish a dictatorship, because Kurds and Shia are fed up with being governed from Bagdad. If a federation would not work seperate states are the solution.


Obviousluy, you wouldn't have sent German troops to Iraq - you seem to consider the army has to stay within German borders.
True, not under these circumstances. Saddam Husseins officers (many of them) were trained in the German army's officer school in Munich btw - so why not "irakize" this war like the Americans tried to vietnamize the Vietnam war?


So what is the option you would have preferred ? Watch the US send troops and cheer them from afar ?
A small sniper team taking out Saddam Hussein, under agreement of dissident leaders.


Wasn't it what Israel said about their own naval blockade, that it was here to prevent weapons smuggling ?
Now - are Hizbollah short of weapons? They are not. Are they backed now by the people there? More than ever. Syria immediately seized transporting weapons when there is troube to expect. Routes through the desert - Camel back transport - is now the option of the day.


Aren't German forces well trained, well equipped, and very professional ?
Well, the home defense units have to give their spareparts for units in action - there are profesional units and the opposite of it.


Problem is, Asian troubles, African troubles or Middle-Eastern troubles have this tendency to ooze through borders and end up spelling trouble for Europe too.
And wrong policy, of course, help to solve the problems, or what?
First goal must to be the repatriation of Muslims - that's the only option that helps.


Isn't that what caused 9/11 ? The Western world thinking trouble in Asia would nicely agree to stay there ?
Ignorance. The West supported those Jyhadists as long as they fought Commies. But Quran says the whole world must be conquered.