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Geezah
09-22-2006, 09:34 AM
Greenleaf, Idaho -- All Americans have the right to bear arms. Some towns have even gone as far as to require each household to have a gun. Now a small Idaho town is contemplating a similar idea-- it's called the Civil Emergencies Ordinance. And although gun ownership is just one piece of this ordinance, it's the part that's getting the most attention.

"We've blessed to be a fairly rural area of the state, so we don't have a lot of crime and I think we'd like to keep it that way," said Lee Belt, Greenleaf city clerk.

Drive about 10 minutes west of Caldwell and you'll run into Greenleaf, Idaho, population 860. If city council member Steve Jett has his way, each head of household that can legally own a gun, will. Along with that they're encouraged to have ammunition and appropriate training.

"I think the city council is hoping it will happen and that it will be a deterrent to crime as the city and region increases in population," said Belt.

The proposed ordinance is modeled after a similar plan that went into place in 1982 in Kennesaw, Ga. In that instance there was a dramatic decrease in criminal activity. Although crime isn't a huge problem for residents of Greenleaf, the growth in neighboring counties leads them to believe they too are in for some changes.

"There's not a lot of crime here, but I think it's coming, it's getting worse everyday," said Art Bailey, owner of the Greenleaf Store.

While the plan does encourages firearm ownership, the ordinance goes beyond that.

"The largest part itself deals with emergency capabilities," said Belt.

The plan will establish an emergency response plan, and promote its citizen response teams and neighborhood watch volunteer groups, a proactive approach to keep the crime rate to a minimum. So how have residents responded? According to almost everyone we spoke to, they already owned a gun or multiple guns, so this would have no effect on them either way.

"I don't know if it is good for every household, but we being hunters have always had guns," said Bonnie Cagle, a Greenleaf resident.

"I think it is an excellent idea," said Bailey. "If the citizens are armed were not at a disadvantage."

We did ask to speak with the city council member who proposed the ordinance but he was out of town. In November, the council will decide whether or not to adopt the ordinance.

Link (http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=5437033)

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gaijinsamurai
09-22-2006, 10:08 AM
Even though I'm a gun owner and believe strongly in the 2nd Amendment, I believe this is a stupid law.
There are some people, even law-abiding ones, who have no business owning a gun. To force it on people is ludicrous.

Geezah
09-22-2006, 10:13 AM
If city council member Steve Jett has his way, each head of household that can legally own a gun, will. Along with that they're encouraged to have ammunition and appropriate training.

If they recieve training, I'm not so sure that it is a bad thing....

gaijinsamurai
09-22-2006, 10:49 AM
"Training" can mean a lot of things. A person can have the ability to draw quickly and hit center mass, and even be well-versed in the law, but do they have the right mentality to own a gun?
I still think the right to own or not to own a gun should be a personal choice. If a person doesn't want a gun, it shouldn't be forced upon them.

Greek soldier
09-22-2006, 10:56 AM
If they recieve training, I'm not so sure that it is a bad thing....

I agree. People must be trained extensively on weapon usage, and especially get in their head the sole purpose (self-defence and family protection). Knowledge is power.

Firetxmi
09-22-2006, 11:20 AM
I agree, with training this is not too bad an idea. Look at Switzerland where just about every household has a gun due to compulsory service.

martinexsquaddie
09-22-2006, 01:12 PM
might work in smallish rural townsvillages or where there is conscription but some people don't want to have guns and some people should never b allowed access to firearms including certain members of the royal navy (field firing with matlots be very afraid although the US navy lt could at least keep the rifle pointed downrange :)

kosse
09-22-2006, 01:24 PM
might work in smallish rural townsvillages or where there is conscription but some people don't want to have guns and some people should never b allowed access to firearms including certain members of the royal navy (field firing with matlots be very afraid although the US navy lt could at least keep the rifle pointed downrange :)

Idiots are idiots conscription/weapon training or not. Still after 6 months of training in a live fire exercise it was no surprise to at some point notice that some idiot was unintentionally pointing a loaded gun at me. I remember once when I was supervising a 81mm mortar line of sight firing exercise a guy tried to load mortar round twice detonator down. Some people are just not meant to play with guns.

Ordie
09-22-2006, 01:30 PM
I have no problems with the second amendment. However, I think it should be optional not mandated. If people are not comfortable with guns, they should not be required to have one.
Safety first.

a_very_ex_STAB
09-22-2006, 01:30 PM
I agree, with training this is not too bad an idea. Look at Switzerland where just about every household has a gun due to compulsory service.

Not really a valid comparison.

I guess if I'm wrong a Swiss board member will correct me but IIRC there are strict penalties that govern the use/misuse of military issue weapons kept at home in Switzerland.

Lazarou
09-22-2006, 01:31 PM
I remember once when I was supervising a 81mm mortar line of sight firing exercise a guy tried to load mortar round twice detonator down.
rofl ....

Geezah
09-22-2006, 01:43 PM
Idiots are idiots conscription/weapon training or not. Still after 6 months of training in a live fire exercise it was no surprise to at some point notice that some idiot was unintentionally pointing a loaded gun at me. I remember once when I was supervising a 81mm mortar line of sight firing exercise a guy tried to load mortar round twice detonator down. Some people are just not meant to play with guns.

The training required is not going to put them into combat, and in a way I agree that idiots are idiots no matter what, but some training is better than none.
Anyway, it was tried elsewhere and was considered a success.


The proposed ordinance is modeled after a similar plan that went into place in 1982 in Kennesaw, Ga. In that instance there was a dramatic decrease in criminal activity.