new russian army trucks

[pr0]

Kamaz-43501
http://www.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/TEMA/2006/161/tema_61_002-4.jpg
http://news.gruzoviki.com/img/kamaz-43269-vystrel.jpg
info (russian) http://news.gruzoviki.com/642.html


Gaz-29651
http://www.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/TEMA/2006/161/tema_61_002-3.jpg


Tiger
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav02.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav04.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav06.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav08.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav07.jpg

review (russian) http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav1.htm


Uaz-2970 (diesel-electric hybrid!)
http://www.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/TEMA/2006/161/tema_61_002-1.jpg

uaz prototype
http://www.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/TEMA/2006/161/tema_61_002-2.jpg

[Flavius22]

http://www.kommersant.ru/ISSUES.PHOTO/TEMA/2006/161/tema_61_002-3.jpg
http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/4x4-trucks-iceland-land-rover-38.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav08.jpg
http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/general_motors/hummer/hummer-h1/X04HM_H1006L-350-249.jpg

glad to see the copy industry is alive and well

however the other ones are very cool, one thing for sure, whatever is originally made by the Russia, is reliable and innovative,

[pr0]

what do you call copy? to make circle lights and square windows? all offroad trucks are copies in some way

[TheArmenian]

Excellent post pr0,

Can you please elaborate.

I know the Gaz Tiger and the Vodnik are now in service with the Russian army and paramilitary forces. How about the the new Kamaz armoured trucks ?

What is happening with Zil trucks? Are they falling back? I see new models from Gaz, Kamaz, Ural and Uaz mostly, but nothing from Zil....

Any info and pics will be appreciated. Thanks.

[unpredictable]

a russian " hummve" ?????!!!!!!Well welll

[pr0]

i don`t know is kamaz in service already or not.

military modification of zil truck
http://www.amo-zil.ru/zil/photo/49_1.jpg
http://www.amo-zil.ru/zil/49.html#view

[Jarhead]

I don´t know but I still like the old versions of UAZ and Zil they are a bit manlier;)

Jarhead

[pr0]

about what version of zil are you talking?
uaz has very hard chassy. and army needs more powerful and large truck then uaz

[pr0]

one more manly truck for you :)
its ural

http://www.uralaz.ru/i/auto/trucks/43-4320-31-01.jpg

http://www.avtomash-holding.ru/img/track.gif
http://www.techincom.ru/img/cont/ural_4320.jpg

http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/9.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/14.jpg
^^^that is really cool ))

http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/13.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/74.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/75.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/65.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/64.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/63.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/58.jpg
http://www.tduralaz.ru/gallery/52.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/universal/u607.jpg

[gunman]

Very nice pics
Thks
Gunman

[JVeld]

Im digging the Russian "Humve" Tiger....looks awesome !
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav02.jpg

[Hun Ranger (not real)]

I saw that "armored" URAL before here in MP. And the RPG could open :)
But i saw new type LADAs and those junks are bigger junks than their old brothers....
URAL rulz! :)
And TATRA! !

[Zarkus]

The Ural's look cool.....strong too.

[pr0]

ural again
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/russe/vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_gallery/ural_truck_vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_russia_02.jpg

new kamaz
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/russe/vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_gallery/kamaz_truck_vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_russia_03.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/russe/vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_gallery/kamaz_truck_vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_russia_01.jpg
http://armyreco.ifrance.com/russe/vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_gallery/kamaz_truck_vttv_omsk_2003_pictures_russia_04.jpg
http://www.kamaz.net/_img/4326/16/69.jpg
http://www.chelbimotors.ru/i/truck/bort4911.jpg
http://www.chelbimotors.ru/i/raznoe/k1.jpg

also i`ve found more 43501 in better quality
http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/iyo/iyon_tichiy-1141236732_i_7310_full.jpg
http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/iyo/iyon_tichiy-1141236971_i_8858_full.jpg
http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/iyo/iyon_tichiy-1141236789_i_3718_full.jpg

review in russian http://www.zr.ru/show_arch.pl?ida=46544

[Jarhead]

About the old one....modell 131 I believe. And the Ural is also a russian beauty

Jarhead

[unpredictable]

great pics people great trucks

[pr0]

yes, 131 is good too, but there were not good 1,5-3 tons truck

http://www.gruzoviki.ru/f/asis/3ghj81seq2l.jpg

[pr0]

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-4.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-3.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-5.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-6.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-7.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-8.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-11.jpg

[pr0]

modded uaz
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-1.jpg

even don`t know what is it
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-29.jpg

[Flamming_Python]

even don`t know what is it
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-29.jpg



That is the REAL new russian Humvee. Expect to see it replace all the other trucks, cars, etc.. in the Russian army by 2008 rofl

[pr0]

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br030.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-75.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-77.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-83.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-81.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-79.jpg

i don`t have any info about it, but it looks very cool

[pr0]

That is the REAL new russian Humvee. Expect to see it replace all the other trucks, cars, etc.. in the Russian army by 2008 rofl
i want one but yellow painted to ride on the beach
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b2/br0412-13.jpg

[He219]

what do you call copy? to make circle lights and square windows? all offroad trucks are copies in some way

You do know that Russia builds actual Hummers at a plant in Koenigsberg, ehrm, Kaliningrad Oblast?
p-)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/He219/dailypix/militarypix/fresh/7342342.jpg
Hummer H2 vehicles assembled on a production line at the Avtotor automobile plant in Kaliningrad, Russia's westernmost occupied enclave, Thursday, June 24, 2004. (AP Photo/Sergey Ponomarev)

[koutch]

You do know that Russia builds actual Hummers at a plant in Koenigsberg, ehrm, Kaliningrad Oblast?
p-)
Nah, i think GM send disassembles them and a russian company (Avtotor,as He219 mentioned) does the assembling on russian territory, this way the importer of Hummers pays less duty at the customs.

[pr0]

You do know that Russia builds actual Hummers at a plant in Koenigsberg, ehrm, Kaliningrad Oblast?

huh, i thought they were copied in the secret kgb bunker with the giant xerox

[He219]

http://cache.*****images.com/xc/57259415.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=E3A33B54CA52535B6023D4EF755281BF
Photographers take pictures of a new Hummer-H3 vehicle at the automobile plant in Kaliningrad, 05 April 2006. A Russian factory in the Baltic enclave has begun assembling Hummer-H3 vehicles. The fact that cooperation with GM represents the first serious American investment in the region. Assembly of the off-road vehicle is the first in what is seen as a continuing series of undertakings by the giant automaker in Kaliningrad. The agreement on cooperation looks to the production of three other GM models at the plant. The Kaliningrad holding currently produces cars for the Korean firm KIA Motors and the German firm BMW. AFP PHOTO / STR (Photo credit should read STRINGER/AFP/***** Images)
http://cache.*****images.com/xc/53455985.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=1E6F42FA721B756D59601C4A90DA5F18
http://cache.*****images.com/xc/53456151.jpg?v=1&c=MS_GINS&k=2&d=1E6F42FA721B756DF03D4DD5A4B8C2E6
Promotional models chat next to a luxury tuning Hummer H2 during the IXth International auto show "Motor Show 2005" in Moscow, 24 August 2005. In the first full year of production, assembly of over 200 Hummer H2 vehicles is planned at Avtotor, for sale on the Russian market only. The H2 will be offered in three trim levels. Starting price for the H2 is $86,500. The second trim, Adventure, is directed at off-road enthusiasts, and is priced at $91,800. Luxury, the third trim, offers up-scale options and is featured at $94,000. AFP PHOTO / DENIS SINYAKOV (Photo credit should read DENIS SINYAKOV/AFP/***** Images)

[pr0]

so what exactly was copied from hummer?

[Dark Avenger]

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br030.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-75.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-77.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-83.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-81.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-79.jpg

i don`t have any info about it, but it looks very cool

AFAIK it is called the "Vepr". Correct me if wrong.

[pr0]

^^^ yes, looks like you are right

http://monk.com.ua/images/articles/20060403061730313_1.jpg

[Jarhead]

Keep us posted bratan

Jarhead

[nick_ua]

so what is new anyway

[pr0]

so what is new anyway
new is your flaming comment, lol

[saigonsmuggler]

which is not really new.. :)

[Angrykirill]

^^^ yes, looks like you are right

http://monk.com.ua/images/articles/20060403061730313_1.jpg

Ukranian. Don't you dare post the disgrace of a vehicle going under the name VEPR-2 built on this same chassis ;) (GAZ-66 BTW)

[pr0]

Ukranian. Don't you dare post the disgrace of a vehicle going under the name VEPR-2 built on this same chassis ;) (GAZ-66 BTW)
yes, my wrong, i wanted to post another photo. but the truck we are talking about is vepr too, i`ve found subsribtion at photopage.
but this must be early or ukranian version with same calling

[CyberSpec]

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc388/90758_combat_122_388lo.jpg

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc338/90760_get_im.php5_122_338lo.jpg

[koozya]

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc388/90758_combat_122_388lo.jpg

http://img3067.imagevenue.com/loc338/90760_get_im.php5_122_338lo.jpg
its so gorgeous i love it.

[pr0]

^^ is that modification of tiger or what?

[CyberSpec]

It's some sort of private venture

[dimasorokine]

glad to see the copy industry is alive and well

however the other ones are very cool, one thing for sure, whatever is originally made by the Russia, is reliable and innovative,

I'm sorry guys, but I have to respond to this!!!

The Tigr is only simular in layout to the Hummer, when in fact it is larger, has more ground clearece, is based on the BTR-80 chassis (!!) and has better off-Road capability than the Hummer.

The reason it is simular in appearence is because it was designed to replace the Hummer in the Middle East (UAE).

The truck that looks like a Land Rover (slightly) is a lighter smaller version of the Tigr.

All these trucks have in common (Tigr, Hummer) is 4x4, independent suspention and layout.

-Dima

PS: I will post some more pictures of NEW trucks today - this is my main area of interest! :)

[LORD_BUNGLA]

dima, i thought Tigr was smaller than humvee. What kind of armour does the Tigr have?

BTW, T-98 is just a SUV for rich pussies.

The smaller version of the Tigr looks hot.

[nick_ua]

new is your flaming comment
if u run a search you will be surrprised how many times this "new" cars has been "disccused" here and in a same manner
Oh look this is a hammer copy
No here is difference
No U soviet took the idea from us
No u took it from us
and so on

[ARM MiG-29]

nice post good to see some upgrades in Russian army

[Mr. HAXEP]

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-77.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-83.jpg

i don`t have any info about it, but it looks very cool

It's a Vepr (wild boar) of a design bureau Cayman.

http://www.cayman4x4.ru/vepr.html

Some other of their cars:

Cayman
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_5.JPG
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_Kay1.jpg

Tarantul (tarantula)
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_Tarantul2.jpg

Cayman amphibian
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_amf2.jpg

Grnostai (stoat) 2 - 4
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_w2.jpg
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/amf_3e.jpg
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/gorn_4_3.jpg

Light swamp-snowmobile
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_23.JPG

And other photos:
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/photos.html

[Mr. HAXEP]

Some other from link http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/

Armored Ural-6320
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0647a.jpg
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0640.jpg

Family, number at bottom is carrying capacity in tonns.
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0181.jpg

Ural - 6923
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0401.jpg

Ural-43206
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0589.jpg

Kamaz-6350
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0546.jpg
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0335.jpg

Gaz-29651
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0429.jpg
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0423.jpg

KZKT Rusich
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0609.jpg

[dimasorokine]

dima, i thought Tigr was smaller than humvee. What kind of armour does the Tigr have?

BTW, T-98 is just a SUV for rich pussies.

The smaller version of the Tigr looks hot.

No, Tigr is a bit larger. There are both armored and softskin versions, and I believe the armored one can protect against SVD rounds (highest penetration).

The T-98 is just an armored limo with four wheel drive, it's nothing special.

And I like the smaller tigr to :)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/6560-1.jpg

^ Kamaz-6560 (20 Ton off-road payload)

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=71328

^ Kamaz-6560 at German auto show

This is part of the new Kamaz heavy duty high mobility trucks. The military ones will be green offcourse, this one shiny to make it more visible at the shows :)

More 6560...

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/rearms2006/1/IMG_4328.JPG

With "multylift"

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/rearms2006/1/IMG_4391.JPG

(taken from pvo.guns.ru)

-Dima

[loganinkosovo]

When you said "New Russian Army Truck" for a moment I thought you were saying that they were going to stop making that 1941 Studebaker 6x6 that they have been making for the last 60 years!


http://www.o5m6.de/Studebaker%20US6x6%20U-3%20M-13_small.jpg

[dimasorokine]

http://pvo.guns.ru/images/expo/rearms2006/1/IMG_4333.JPG

KAMAZ-65224 6x6 with 15 ton Off-Road payload part of the new Kamaz heavy duty off-road truck range.



-Dima

[dimasorokine]

When you said "New Russian Army Truck" for a moment I thought you were saying that they were going to stop making that 1941 Studebaker 6x6 that they have been making for the last 60 years!

Russia has been making it's own original trucks for over 50 years... The "Studebaker" was a good truck but could not handle Russian off-road...Thats why all Russian trucks since the 60's are some of the best off-road vehicles on the planet.

Either way, I hope you are not trying to flame - because Russia has been using independent suspention, atomatic diff locks and tire inflation for over 40 years.

When it comes to off-road, the US actually copied a lot from Russia.

-Dima

[Dark Avenger]

And if you look closely in one of the Mexican related threads, you will see a Mexican Navy Kamaz truck (the ribbed cargo bed sides are characteristic I think) with a Djighit launcher for two Igla missiles carried on the bed... Neat.

[loganinkosovo]

Russia has been making it's own original trucks for over 50 years... The "Studebaker" was a good truck but could not handle Russian off-road...Thats why all Russian trucks since the 60's are some of the best off-road vehicles on the planet.

Either way, I hope you are not trying to flame - because Russia has been using independent suspention, atomatic diff locks and tire inflation for over 40 years.

When it comes to off-road, the US actually copied a lot from Russia.

-Dima


The Russian Army received over 450,000 Allied vehicles under Lend-Lease during WWII. Quite a few they took apart, blueprinted and started building themselves. They beefed up the suspension and strenghtened the chassis but it was still a studebaker. :)

We did copy the Sabot tank round but made it better. :)

[Switek]

Whatever you can say about technology differencies between Russian and West/American hardware there comes two opinions to my mind.

Comfort of usage is higher in West made cars/trucks. But costs of maintenance is also much higher.

On the streets, roads of my country I can see many post soviet trucks, Kamaz, Ural .... They are civilian versions but have about 20-30 years old and still are fully operative. There is no such durable and reliable truck like Russian originaly designed to work in extreme conditions. I'd like to see dynamic comaparative tests... I know whom I should expect to win.
UAZ was designed, for example to drive filled wit petrol with no. of octane 76... Find me car in the West which can do this...

There is (or was becouse I do not know modern Russians engines) one significant disadvatage: fuel consumption some times, 3, 4 or even more times higher than western tools....

[dimasorokine]

The Russian Army received over 450,000 Allied vehicles under Lend-Lease during WWII. Quite a few they took apart, blueprinted and started building themselves. They beefed up the suspension and strenghtened the chassis but it was still a studebaker. :)

We did copy the Sabot tank round but made it better. :)

This my main area of interest (off-road / army trucks) and I know the history quite well.

The truck you are refering to is the zis / zil-151...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg/534px-P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg)

Which is already a better truck than the "Studebaker", after that came the Zil-157...

http://www.photoka.info/zil157/images/zil157_001.jpg (http://www.photoka.info/zil157/index.htm)

^ This truck could do things the "Studebaker" could not even dream of and already had central tire inflation.

These trucks grandfather was the Studebaker...but these trucks have not been produced for a very long time...

Now if you would like to talk about post war Soviet trucks and how far ahead they were compared to what the US had I can give you a few history lessons.

Now which recent trucks (past 25 years) are copies of western trucks? If you took some time to research the history of Russian military truck develpment you would know that the soviet union was the leader in these technologies and Soviet designers were named among the best Automotive engeneers and developers of this century (along with Ferrari, Henry Ford, Porsche to name a few)

-Dima

[loganinkosovo]

The Red army also received quite a number of Sherman tanks. They received the entire production of the best variant of the Sherman, the Hi-Vo 76mm tube and the two diesel engine power pack. Shermans Participated in most of the major battles of the Red Army on all fronts from 1943 onwards. But Photos of Lend-Lease Shermans, Valintines, Churchills, Wolverines, Lees and Stuarts seem to have been systematically purged after the war. The Sherman could take on the Mark IVs but was a piece of crap compared to the T-34 and the Tigers. Politics and WWI doctrine kept the Pershing (90mm Hi-Vo Tube) from being massed produced until the last year of the War. Pershings outclassed the Tigers and I think they would have given the T-34 a run for it's money. :)





http://www.o5m6.de/M4A2%2076mm_small.jpg

[loganinkosovo]

This my main area of interest (off-road / army trucks) and I know the history quite well.

The truck you are refering to is the zis / zil-151...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg/534px-P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/P-3_na_ZiS_151_RB.jpg)

Which is already a better truck than the "Studebaker", after that came the Zil-157...

http://www.photoka.info/zil157/images/zil157_001.jpg (http://www.photoka.info/zil157/index.htm)

^ This truck could do things the "Studebaker" could not even dream of and already had central tire inflation.

These trucks grandfather was the Studebaker...but these trucks have not been produced for a very long time...

Now if you would like to talk about post war Soviet trucks and how far ahead they were compared to what the US had I can give you a few history lessons.

Now which recent trucks (past 25 years) are copies of western trucks? If you took some time to research the history of Russian military truck develpment you would know that the soviet union was the leader in these technologies and Soviet designers were named among the best Automotive engeneers and developers of this century (along with Ferrari, Henry Ford, Porsche to name a few)

-Dima

Dude! They all still look like a Studebaker! :)

[dimasorokine]

Dude! They all still look like a Studebaker! :)

The two Zil trucks? Yeah, I know - those trucks were the first off-road trucks the Soviet Union developed and looked simular, I agree.

But if you are sayin this...

http://www.4wdonline.com/Mil/Studebaker/PiCs37/6x6.RFQ.jpg

Looks like this...

http://www.kamaz.net/photos/auto/6350.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/4546/gaz66.jpg

http://www.texnika.info/truck_gruz/baz/images/baz-6909-1.jpg

Than you are insane. If you know anything about Military trucks other than that they are green and have tires you will easily understand what I'm talking about.

What you are saying is like saying "look! The M16 is a pure copy of the AK-47!" they are both assault rifles, with simular shapes.

-Dima

[pr0]

if u run a search you will be surrprised how many times this "new" cars has been "disccused" here and in a same manner
Oh look this is a hammer copy
No here is difference
No U soviet took the idea from us
No u took it from us
and so on
you are so strict person
i better will not try to communicate with you, its so hard to make you happy :petting:

[pr0]

No, Tigr is a bit larger. There are both armored and softskin versions, and I believe the armored one can protect against SVD rounds (highest penetration).

The T-98 is just an armored limo with four wheel drive, it's nothing special.

And I like the smaller tigr to :)

-Dima
armored can bear shhoting of rifles and akm from distance 5-10 m

[Luno]

Many of those Russian truck look very modern :) does it exist a civilian version of them? And if it does why don’t we see them in Western Europe? I have never ever seen a Russian made civilian lorry on the road :-(

[pr0]

Some other from link http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/

cool photos! thx for supporting topic woot

[pr0]

When you said "New Russian Army Truck" for a moment I thought you were saying that they were going to stop making that 1941 Studebaker 6x6 that they have been making for the last 60 years!

why do you think it was produced for 60 years????

[dimasorokine]

Many of those Russian truck look very modern :) does it exist a civilian version of them? And if it does why don’t we see them in Western Europe? I have never ever seen a Russian made civilian lorry on the road :-(

Mainly because the truck companies have not had a chance to branch out into Europe because of the hard economic times throughout the 90's.

The Russian army trucks are very modern and capable...but when it comes to civilian trucks - Man, Mercedes, Iveco and the other Euros are too advanced compared to the Russian long haul civilian trucks.

But you never know, you might see a few off-road Kamaz trucks in Europe in the next 5 years or so...

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=71328

^^ This picture is from the truck show in Hannover Germany :)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Cool link:

http://fotoplenka.ru/album/album223639/ Kamaz "Mustang" family

-Dima

[Kap]

That Kamaz truck looks like an LMTV almost.

[unpredictable]

somone could say to how many types of trucks that Russia armed forces had? and with photos possible? thanks to all u guys thread its great

[dimasorokine]

That Kamaz truck looks like an LMTV almost.

Yeah, you are right...the LMTV is newer though, but is very simular in appearence (I believe the LMTV family has slightly smaller payloads). Also, the LMTV cab is like a luxury car compared to the Kamaz lol.

-Dma

[Kap]

Yeah, you are right...the LMTV is newer though, but is very simular in appearence (I believe the LMTV family has slightly smaller payloads). Also, the LMTV cab is like a luxury car compared to the Kamaz lol.

-Dma

You got that right... (luxury car) I love riding in the raised middle seat on nasty dirt roads. rofl

[dimasorokine]

You got that right... (luxury car) I love riding in the raised middle seat on nasty dirt roads. rofl

LOL, the Kamaz has that stupid middle seat to - right over the engine hump - it's like riding on top of a huge vibrating washing machine!

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Another Link:

http://micknc.fotoplenka.ru/album234109/ Ural trucks :)

-Dima

[pr0]

Another Link:

http://micknc.fotoplenka.ru/album234109/ Ural trucks :)

-Dima
cool link woot

[Yaro]

Never seen this truck before,
how many does russia have?
http://news.gruzoviki.com/img/kamaz-43269-vystrel.jpg

[Luno]

Mainly because the truck companies have not had a chance to branch out into Europe because of the hard economic times throughout the 90's.

The Russian army trucks are very modern and capable...but when it comes to civilian trucks - Man, Mercedes, Iveco and the other Euros are too advanced compared to the Russian long haul civilian trucks.

But you never know, you might see a few off-road Kamaz trucks in Europe in the next 5 years or so...



^^ This picture is from the truck show in Hannover Germany :)

-Dima


Yes I think you are right but I think that today Russia can compete on the market with smaller trucks (medium range) and dump trucks but in the king class (long range Lorries) Russia gone have a problem in Europe. That class is so high-tech and the trucks are terrible expensive many of those truck drives 24/7 for several years ,

but the КАМАЗ-5460 looks damn nice :hug:
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4346/lastbilyq8.jpg

[dimasorokine]

Yes I think you are right but I think that today Russia can compete on the market with smaller trucks (medium range) and dump trucks but in the king class (long range Lorries) Russia gone have a problem in Europe. That class is so high-tech and the trucks are terrible expensive many of those truck drives 24/7 for several years ,

but the КАМАЗ-5460 looks damn nice :hug:

Yeah - Dump trucks, light trucks and Off-road trucks from Russia can do good in Europe... I think the fact that the trucks from Russia would cost much less that the European ones would bring some success to Russian companies :)

Dump truck: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/65201-1.jpg (up to 25.5 ton load)
Light Truck: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/5308-1.jpg
Off-Road: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/6560-1.jpg (20 ton load)

These trucks are planned for Europe.

-Dima

BTW: How much is a brand new Man or Mercedes long haul truck?

[pr0]

Yeah - Dump trucks, light trucks and Off-road trucks from Russia can do good in Europe... I think the fact that the trucks from Russia would cost much less that the European ones would bring some success to Russian companies :)

-Dima

BTW: How much is a brand new Man or Mercedes long haul truck?
i think our trucks will be succesfull not in europe (concurention is too hard there) but in south america, india, etc

[Luno]

Yeah - Dump trucks, light trucks and Off-road trucks from Russia can do good in Europe... I think the fact that the trucks from Russia would cost much less that the European ones would bring some success to Russian companies :)

Dump truck: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/65201-1.jpg (up to 25.5 ton load)
Light Truck: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/5308-1.jpg
Off-Road: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/6560-1.jpg (20 ton load)

These trucks are planned for Europe.

-Dima

BTW: How much is a brand new Man or Mercedes long haul truck?


A used Mercedes-Benz Actros from 2006 costs 156 549 EUR i hope the russian trucks are cheeper :)
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4494/thumbnailmaker2ws9.jpg

[dimasorokine]

i think our trucks will be succesfull not in europe (concurention is too hard there) but in south america, india, etc

In those countries, where reliable low cost vehicles are needed Russian trucks will always have success. In Europe, I think we can do well if we select some good niches. For example:

Light city trucks for EUR 30,000

Dump trucks for EUR 65,000

Either way I hope our trucks do well :)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

A used Mercedes-Benz Actros from 2006 costs 156 549 EUR i hope the russian trucks are cheeper :)
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4494/thumbnailmaker2ws9.jpg

WOW! I think a new 2006 Kamaz-6560 8x8 in the pictures is about 60,000 - 70,000 and something for the road like the Actros (same load) from Kamaz is 30,000.

-Dima

[pr0]

Dump truck: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/65201-1.jpg (up to 25.5 ton load)
Off-Road: http://www.kamaz.net/photos/news/6560-1.jpg (20 ton load)


i wish they will make large square lights for better design. that little lights look not good for me.

[Sergei]

Civilian Tiger

http://pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/006-1077.jpg

http://pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/008-959.jpg

[CyberSpec]

Excelent thread people....very informative.

Anyone have new pictures of the Vodnik?

[Luno]

i wish they will make large square lights for better design. that little lights look not good for me.


i like the small round lights is make the truck stand out (= if you mount square lights on it then she gone look like a Volvo/scania/marcedes/DAF/ Iveco/Man truck :)

[pr0]

i like the small round lights is make the truck stand out (= if you mount square lights on it then she gone look like a Volvo/scania/marcedes/DAF/ Iveco/Man truck :)
maybe, but from other hand it is good for nonpopular firm to make similiar to well-known brands design

[pr0]

Excelent thread people....very informative.

Anyone have new pictures of the Vodnik?
http://autosuper.ru/lv/2004/06/pricel/presents2_b.jpg
http://www.leninburg.com/gaz3937/image7.jpg
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_Gaz.jpg


uaz
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh5_Drugie2.jpg
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh5_Drugie1.jpg

amphibia Kayman
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_dop.jpg

new gaz
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_dop1.jpg

kamaz
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_KamAZ2.jpg
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_KamAZ1.jpg
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_KamAZ.jpg
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_KamAZ_zapas.jpg



tiger
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh_Gaz1.jpg

[unpredictable]

maybe, but from other hand it is good for nonpopular firm to make similiar to well-known brands design

yes this trucks have a good design, when i´ve seen them i have a sensation like Kamaz had been inspirated by IVECO trucks!

[Luno]

Cool an swamp UAZ :)
http://www.autocentre.ua/truck/03/11/images/09/SpecTeh5_Drugie2.jpg

[pr0]

Barhan
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav3020.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav36.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav35.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav34.jpg

[pr0]

vodnik and uaz patriot (i don`t know will they be used in army)
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-6.jpg

vodnik
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-4.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-7.jpg

tiger and uaz
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-5.jpg

ural
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-14.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-16.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-18.jpg

rescue service truck
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-27.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-28.jpg

[Susumu]

Light swamp-snowmobile
http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_23.JPG[/url]

hey they stole the design from my father ;)
my father has build a swamp car in his freetime when we still were living in russia.
he build it from parts of different vehicles - it looked similar

[kpt. Zbik]

UAZ was designed, for example to drive filled wit petrol with no. of octane 76... Find me car in the West which can do this...


Land Rover Serie I, II, III, Ford MUTT.
And ther is nothing special in Russian trucks. Conditions of work for driver are very bad. I'h drive few times Kamaz truck, and I must say that this is a challenge. Such like in Russian tank ;-) I have been the owner of UAZ 469B. Not bad 4WD car, but I know better 4WD cars.
We have made alsow good military trucks: Star 660 i Star 266.

[Digimon]

Land Rover Serie I, II, III, Ford MUTT.
And ther is nothing special in Russian trucks. Conditions of work for driver are very bad. I'h drive few times Kamaz truck, and I must say that this is a challenge. Such like in Russian tank ;-) I have been the owner of UAZ 469B. Not bad 4WD car, but I know better 4WD cars.
We have made alsow good military trucks: Star 660 i Star 266.

And how many Dakar Rallies did your trucks win? If you are interested in finding out, here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris-Dakar

The winners list is at the bottom.

[koutch]

Civilian Tiger

http://pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/006-1077.jpg

http://pravda.ru/img/idb/photo/008-959.jpg


This one is awful for the price (about 50 000$) you can get an H2. For that money you should be getting 22'', not spinners, it fails to do what it's supposed to do, just like the Jeep Commander.

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/cavaleria/cav3020.jpg
A gaz 66 in disguise?

[pr0]

yes, it is gaz 66 chassy.

why do you think it will cost 50 k$?
btw h2 cost begins from aprox 90 k$ for new one here

[dimasorokine]

Uaz diesel for Iraqi army:

http://www.russiantrucks.com/images/DSC00705.JPG

Kraz 6322:

http://www.russiantrucks.com/images/600_DSC00262.JPG

Ural-4320:

http://www.russiantrucks.com/images/Ural_001.jpg

Taken from www.russiantrucks.com (http://www.russiantrucks.com)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Here is a test-drive of the "Bahran" prototype SUV on a Kamaz-43501 platform:

http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/kamaz_barhan/

http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/kamaz_barhan/750/IMG_1197.jpg

I hate this thing, it's ugly and has many flaws that need to be fixed before it is sold to the public.

-Dima

[pr0]

there are 2 barhans?? or car i posted before is not barhan?
this one is for special police unit afaik. and design is quite ok for me (exept lights). i only don`t undestand what is special about that car? why they didn`t make just bus or smth, little bit strange conception

[dimasorokine]

there are 2 barhans?? or car i posted before is not barhan?
this one is for special police unit afaik. and design is quite ok for me (exept lights). i only don`t undestand what is special about that car? why they didn`t make just bus or smth, little bit strange conception

Read the review, it has too many problems! Like the wheel arches are too small, so the tires don't have enough room to travel up and down on uneven ground.

-Dima

[pr0]

"special" i mean what is the main idea of it? good offroad bus or what? why they just don`t make new classic truck

[dimasorokine]

Baz trucks!

These are some of the most capable heavy off-roaders on the planet...

The basic 8x8 model (15 - 20 ton off-road payload):

http://bzkt.ru/imgs/positions/positions0016.jpg

and 8x8 swimming cargo truck:

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/speedway/4546/baz6944.jpg

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

"special" i mean what is the main idea of it? good offroad bus or what? why they just don`t make new classic truck

It's not made by Kamaz, a private company makes it (the same one that made the first barhan). I guess it's for people who want a giant SUV? Basically, there is no reason for this thing to be made.

-Dima

[Audio]

Not trying to flame here, but your companies should really change their names or seel their stuff under a new brand; Gaz,Baz,Kamaz just don't sound good for an Euro customer IMHO and he might get lost with all the zzz's. :) Sort of what the Japs did in the US.
After all, half of the sale is marketing.

[dimasorokine]

Not trying to flame here, but your companies should really change their names or seel their stuff under a new brand; Gaz,Baz,Kamaz just don't sound good for an Euro customer IMHO and he might get lost with all the zzz's. :) Sort of what the Japs did in the US.
After all, half of the sale is marketing.

Thats true, the names are too technical.

[Digimon]

Not trying to flame here, but your companies should really change their names or seel their stuff under a new brand; Gaz,Baz,Kamaz just don't sound good for an Euro customer IMHO and he might get lost with all the zzz's. :) Sort of what the Japs did in the US.
After all, half of the sale is marketing.

All of these names are abbreviations, such as GAZ – Gorkovskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, (Gorky’s Automobile Manufacturing Plant), KAMAZ – Kamskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, UAZ - Ulianovskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, etc...

[Audio]

All of these names are abbreviations, such as GAZ – Gorkovskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, (Gorky’s Automobile Manufacturing Plant), KAMAZ – Kamskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, UAZ - Ulianovskiy Avtomobilniy Zavod, etc...

I know. :)
I like the name "Vagonka". In my language it would mean something like a female rail wagon. :)

Though that had something to do with tanks if memory serves correct.

[dimasorokine]

Ural-4320

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image042.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image044.jpg

Kamaz-6350

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image048.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image050.jpg

From: http://www.vif2.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=21

-Dima

[Brute]

I know. :)
I like the name "Vagonka". In my language it would mean something like a female rail wagon. :)

Though that had something to do with tanks if memory serves correct.


Vagonetka - a really small railcar

http://www.parovoz.com/us/portland-ngrr/20050811_DSC01394-s.jpg

[unpredictable]

Here is a test-drive of the "Bahran" prototype SUV on a Kamaz-43501 platform:

http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/kamaz_barhan/

http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/kamaz_barhan/750/IMG_1197.jpg

I hate this thing, it's ugly and has many flaws that need to be fixed before it is sold to the public.

-Dima

i concord with u dima this trunk could better design.

[dimasorokine]

i concord with u dima this trunk could better design.

Yeah, it's not just ugly but it's design limits it's off-road capability:

* Wheel arches too low (tires only have about 20 centemiteres of travel) - this is so bad that the truck actually got stuck when one of the tires went up on a hill, and even the hood poped open!

* Tires that are designed for farm vehicles.

* Bad aproach angle

* Long hood that limits visibility

* A rear "cargo" door that is the size of the one on your home's freezer (way too small)

Now I know the designer is a capable guy and I hope there is a new version of this, it's mostly cosmetic changes - the Kamaz platform is an awesome performer...this athelete needs a change of cloths :)

-Dima

[unpredictable]

Yeah, it's not just ugly but it's design limits it's off-road capability:

* Wheel arches too low (tires only have about 20 centemiteres of travel) - this is so bad that the truck actually got stuck when one of the tires went up on a hill, and even the hood poped open!

* Tires that are designed for farm vehicles.

* Bad aproach angle

* Long hood that limits visibility

* A rear "cargo" door that is the size of the one on your home's freezer (way too small)


Now I know the designer is a capable guy and I hope there is a new version of this, it's mostly cosmetic changes - the Kamaz platform is an awesome performer...this athelete needs a change of cloths :)

-Dima



thanks for the informatin dima, this truck like it are would be a failure... i have seen others vehicles go in the same way. but dima sy one thing to me if this type of vehicle would have any of commercial sucess?

[pr0]

USV model in 2:1 scale, lol
http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image086.jpg



the same barhan for army (previous is for special police units)
http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image085.jpg

another special police unit car - it looks like usual car but fully armoured and has special doors
http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image060.jpg

and tiger again
http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image057.jpg

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image055.jpg

[pr0]

Vagonetka - a really small railcar

http://www.parovoz.com/us/portland-ngrr/20050811_DSC01394-s.jpg
right and this is what is "vagonka" in russian :)
http://www.sibmaster.ru/image/new/vagon.jpg
the wood material for walls

[dimasorokine]

the same barhan for army (previous is for special police units)
http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image085.jpg



This NOT a "Barhan" but a Kamaz-43269 "Vistrel" and it is actually made by the Kamaz company... The "Barhan" is made by a private company on a Kamaz platform (Kamaz-43501)...

The Kamaz-43269 is a very good armored truck for border patrol guards and other jobs :)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

thanks for the informatin dima, this truck like it are would be a failure... i have seen others vehicles go in the same way. but dima sy one thing to me if this type of vehicle would have any of commercial sucess?

No, I don't think it would be a success. It costs $100,000 and is basically an Army truck 2 times bigger than a Hummer! It has an 11 Litre V8 that will eat way too much diesel...

I think it's nothing more than a strange and expensive bus.

-Dima

[pr0]

This NOT a "Barhan" but a Kamaz-43269 "Vistrel" and it is actually made by the Kamaz company... The "Barhan" is made by a private company on a Kamaz platform (Kamaz-43501)...

The Kamaz-43269 is a very good armored truck for border patrol guards and other jobs :)

-Dima
thx for correction. here (http://www.zr.ru/arch46544.html) is its review (in russian) with some photos

[pr0]

the thread about it http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=74261

[Hawk of prairie]

Great pics!But you forget the most manly russian truck MAZ535A!
very impressive I think,sorry guys i got no pics about it!

[Sergei]

Not trying to flame here, but your companies should really change their names or seel their stuff under a new brand; Gaz,Baz,Kamaz just don't sound good for an Euro customer IMHO and he might get lost with all the zzz's. :) Sort of what the Japs did in the US.
After all, half of the sale is marketing.

Nobody is complaining about BMW, eh? ;) Same stuff here, the only pervert in the row of ZAZ-BELAZ-KRAZ-VAZ is ZIL - Zavod imeni Lihacheva :D (Factory bearing the name of Lihachev)

[Audio]

Nobody is complaining about BMW, eh? ;)

Really, a bad example.
BMW already has an established reputation among it's target customers, your car companies don't. Just to clarify, I was talking about better sales in Europe. The same could be said also of FIAT and SEAT, though with both to a lesser degree than in BMW's case.

And SEAT's propaganda is all about shouting what a "fiery latino lover" cars those are.

#edit: apologies for the offtopic.

[koutch]

Soviet companies weren't made for competition and probably never heard or needed marketing, in the sales departement they have a lot of catching up to do.

[variable]

Not really new, but check this:

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br1-99.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br1-101.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br1-85.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br1-81.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br1-91.jpg

"Vijtas" nuclear powered (!!!) tracked polar vehicle :D

[pr0]

Soviet companies weren't made for competition and probably never heard or needed marketing, in the sales departement they have a lot of catching up to do.
there were competitions but not for the consumers but for the orders of state commission

[pr0]

"Vijtas" nuclear powered (!!!) tracked polar vehicle :D
hmmm, i can`t find info about it, but looks cool

[TheArmenian]

The Armenian armed forces have a number of these trucks. Can anyone identify the make and model ?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13931&d=1159035531

[kpt. Zbik]

And how many Dakar Rallies did your trucks win? If you are interested in finding out, here is a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris-Dakar

The winners list is at the bottom.

So what? How much those rally trucks have anything common with normal Kamaz trucks? This is like to compare Xara WRC with Xara from Citroen dealer.rofl
By the way dose Kamaz still equip his truck with Cummis engines? Tigr has also Cummis engine. Kombat T98 has russian body, but chassie and engine comes from Chevy, interior also.
Russian truck are "tough", but the ergonomics, quality of parts,interior, are very poor, when we compare them with West European trucks.

[Luno]

hmmm, i can`t find info about it, but looks cool

2X what the name of the vhicle?

[pr0]

The Armenian armed forces have a number of these trucks. Can anyone identify the make and model ?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13931&d=1159035531
i didn`t see anything similiar in russian army, i think they are not russian-made

[Dark Avenger]

These are Chinese Taian TAS5380SQ trucks, part of the WM-80 SSM system Armenia bought from China. Info on these at http://www.sinodefence.com/army/mrl/wm80.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/transport/tas5380.asp

[TheArmenian]

Thanks Dark Avenger.

[Dark Avenger]

You are most welcome, my friend! ;)

BTW, an interesting site on the T98 Combat (and much, much more) is http://www.combat.spb.ru/

[dimasorokine]

LOL- guys, the "Vityaz" is NOT nuclear powered! It does have 830 HP V-12 though.

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

The Armenian armed forces have a number of these trucks. Can anyone identify the make and model ?

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=13931&d=1159035531

They look Chinese made.

-Dima

Edit: sorry, I see Dark_Avenger has already provided the info :)

[dimasorokine]

So what? How much those rally trucks have anything common with normal Kamaz trucks? This is like to compare Xara WRC with Xara from Citroen dealer.rofl
By the way dose Kamaz still equip his truck with Cummis engines? Tigr has also Cummis engine. Kombat T98 has russian body, but chassie and engine comes from Chevy, interior also.
Russian truck are "tough", but the ergonomics, quality of parts,interior, are very poor, when we compare them with West European trucks.

The Kamaz-4911 that wins the Dakar rally is actually a production model...you can buy this truck with a regular cargo bed (or chassis) with a 700 HP V12 Russian engine!

Also, 95% of Kamaz trucks are equipped with Kamaz engines...the reason they use Cummins is because they do not produce engines for small trucks and have recently started to produce compact city trucks.

Russia's trucks are basically "down to business" and the best products are usually made for the Army. Russian companies are great at making tough, reliable army trucks - the civilian market however is not so strong :(

-Dima

[pr0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjAVrnQrkdQ&eurl=
that is not new but ...

[pr0]

more http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russian+army+truck

[kpt. Zbik]

The Kamaz-4911 that wins the Dakar rally is actually a production model...you can buy this truck with a regular cargo bed (or chassis) with a 700 HP V12 Russian engine!

-Dima
I'm sure that it isn't the same truck. Such as other trucks which take part in Paris-Dakar rally. This is becouse of FIA regulations and rally specifications. I don't say that Kamaz-4911 isn't production model, but Kamaz preperd for P-D Rally isn't in 100% production model. For example, what is the maximum speed of Kamaz-4911, and the rally version?
This rally is good advertising for Kamaz, but it dosen't mean, that Kamaz is so good such as M-B, MAN or Scania. Why russian hauliers use mostly west european trucks for international transports?

[pr0]

Why russian hauliers use mostly west european trucks for international transports?
becouse there are no services of our trucks in europe

[Max Power9999]

Why russian hauliers use mostly west european trucks for international transports?

Because european trucks are better (for international transport, not for the army).

[DIU]

The main merit of army trucks is cross-country ability. This is paid by complicated construction, heavier frame and greater fuel consumption. The main merits of highway haulers are quite different – the highest load/own weight ratio and the lowest fuel consumption + meeting ecological requirements. I.e. these kinds of trucks are incomparable.

[koutch]

there were competitions but not for the consumers but for the orders of state commission
I meant competition like in конкуренция i don't remember any advertisment or imagemaking or marketing campaigns, it was just not necessary back then.
Unfortunalty anything russian is always compared to vodka and ak-47, there is a lot work to be done in the marketing field.

[Digimon]

Why russian hauliers use mostly west european trucks for international transports?

There could be a number of reasons why truckers use western trucks for international hauls. Simply using them so is not indicative of the quality of Kamaz trucks. What is necessary is to give a well founded explanation of this alleged fact as opposed to personal conjecture.

You have said “And ther is nothing special in Russian trucks”. This is not a conclusion that you can draw from anything you have said. Perhaps you could draw the conclusion, from your personal testimony, that there is “nothing special” in the way of comfort, or that Kamaz trucks are not “specially” used by the Russian truckers in international hauls, but little beyond that. On the other hand, winning the Dakar Rally is suggestive of something special about the Russian trucks, in particular, its ability to take punishment under harsh conditions. And this, in turn, makes your statement false.

[Drunkensquid]

The main merit of army trucks is cross-country ability. This is paid by complicated construction, heavier frame and greater fuel consumption. The main merits of highway haulers are quite different – the highest load/own weight ratio and the lowest fuel consumption + meeting ecological requirements. I.e. these kinds of trucks are incomparable.

I was going to write that, the same could be said about russian transport aircraft, they are known to be more thirsty and create more pollution than Western ones.

[dimasorokine]

I'm sure that it isn't the same truck. Such as other trucks which take part in Paris-Dakar rally. This is becouse of FIA regulations and rally specifications. I don't say that Kamaz-4911 isn't production model, but Kamaz preperd for P-D Rally isn't in 100% production model. For example, what is the maximum speed of Kamaz-4911, and the rally version?
This rally is good advertising for Kamaz, but it dosen't mean, that Kamaz is so good such as M-B, MAN or Scania. Why russian hauliers use mostly west european trucks for international transports?

The Kamaz-4911 used in the Dakar rally is 90% the same as the one you can buy at the dealership - same engine, same chassis, same top speed and capability...the only difference is the body, navigation systems and colors...

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/br0416-26.jpg (http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/br04b4/fotobr04b4.htm)

And I agree with you 100%, European highway and city trucks are far ahead in technologies and comfort than the Russian ones. But this is a thread about ARMY TRUCKS.

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Here is a test-drive of the Kamaz-4911 that you can buy at Kamaz dealerships...

http://www.kolesa.ru/print/article/75_cargo_kamaz.html

-Dima

[kpt. Zbik]

My russian is not good, but is Kamaz-4911 something like Mitshubishi Lancer EVO? Professional sport car for ordinary users? And parts of transmission system comes from ZF, Sachs and Steyer?
When Kamaz -4911 will win Transsyberia rally or Ladoga Trophy, I will say that is good off-road truck.:-) Remember that Paris -Dakar rally you can win i 2 wheel drive buggy as Schlesser ;-). Kamaz is very fast truck I agree. But how long he will serve without any malfunction? The main problems with russian trucks were/are big consumtion of fuel, corrosion, and often malfunctions. Of course this is my private opinion. :-)
I don't know if now the quality of russian trucks is better.
Dima I wish you buy Kamaz-4911 and have a fun in off-road riding. I try to by Star 266. May be some day we will compare our trucks on off-road.:-)

[pr0]

privet opinion

haha
funny word game

[kpt. Zbik]

And I agree with you 100%, European highway and city trucks are far ahead in technologies and comfort than the Russian ones. But this is a thread about ARMY TRUCKS.

-Dima
Some parts such as engines, axles, gear box, cabines are the same, or almost the same in army and comercial trucks produced by Kamaz, Ural, Gaz, Zil (is there Zil factory still?). Technology and quality I think that is alsow the same. And this is problem with oryginal russian cars: technology and quality. Of course you can make this better, and win trade competitions for example with MAN military series trucks or Astra.
Russian trucks have the potential to be one of the best trucks, but need more money and investments. And I think that this is the same problem like in Poland, lack of money, investors...

[kpt. Zbik]

haha
funny word game
My mistake. Privet means: hi? :-)
Should be private of course.

[pr0]

My mistake. Privet means: hi? :-)
Should be private of course.
i understood )))
yes, privet is hi. but "chelovek s privetom" - man with privet is synonym of strange or mad person )))

[dimasorokine]

My russian is not good, but is Kamaz-4911 something like Mitshubishi Lancer EVO? Professional sport car for ordinary users? And parts of transmission system comes from ZF, Sachs and Steyer?
When Kamaz -4911 will win Transsyberia rally or Ladoga Trophy, I will say that is good off-road truck.:-) Remember that Paris -Dakar rally you can win i 2 wheel drive buggy as Schlesser ;-). Kamaz is very fast truck I agree. But how long he will serve without any malfunction? The main problems with russian trucks were/are big consumtion of fuel, corrosion, and often malfunctions. Of course this is my private opinion. :-)
I don't know if now the quality of russian trucks is better.
Dima I wish you buy Kamaz-4911 and have a fun in off-road riding. I try to by Star 266. May be some day we will compare our trucks on off-road.:-)

In Army trucks the corrosion is never a problem - they are designed to be kept outside for 20 years. And as for Kamaz-4911, I don't like it - I'd buy a Ural-4320 and we can have our comparison then :)

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Some parts such as engines, axles, gear box, cabines are the same, or almost the same in army and comercial trucks produced by Kamaz, Ural, Gaz, Zil (is there Zil factory still?). Technology and quality I think that is alsow the same. And this is problem with oryginal russian cars: technology and quality. Of course you can make this better, and win trade competitions for example with MAN military series trucks or Astra.
Russian trucks have the potential to be one of the best trucks, but need more money and investments. And I think that this is the same problem like in Poland, lack of money, investors...

Same, but at the same time different...In Soviet times and today the Army trucks were always of higher quality than those made for civil use...

As I was reading in another forum a few weeks back, people say a 30 year old Gaz-66 with 300,000 KM of off-road use on it is more reliable than a 5 year old Gaz "sadko" made for civil use.

-Dima

[pr0]

http://auto.lenta.ru/news/2006/03/27/uaz/
new uaz will be used in army too

http://www.uaz.su/typo3temp/pics/d22572e50c.jpg
http://www.uaz.su/typo3temp/pics/b833ec1b80.jpg
http://www.uaz.su/typo3temp/pics/485b69cca6.jpg

[pr0]

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[kpt. Zbik]

i understood )))
yes, privet is hi. but "chelovek s privetom" - man with privet is synonym of strange or mad person )))
Ha, ha.. so I "suma sashol" - go mad ;-)

[TheArmenian]

UAZ Patriot

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/003.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/006.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/002.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/027.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/030.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/031.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/033.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/037.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/050.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/055.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/144.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/157.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/161.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/167.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/178.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/181.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/183.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/023.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/019.jpg

[pr0]

Ha, ha.. so I "suma sashol" - go mad ;-)
"s uma soshol" to be exactly :)
to be with privet it is more to be strange or weird or very unusual

[kpt. Zbik]

Same, but at the same time different...In Soviet times and today the Army trucks were always of higher quality than those made for civil use...

As I was reading in another forum a few weeks back, people say a 30 year old Gaz-66 with 300,000 KM of off-road use on it is more reliable than a 5 year old Gaz "sadko" made for civil use.

-Dima
My Ford Sierra has 266,000 KM and it is only 15th year old car ;-).So this 300,000 KM is nothing special for me ;-) I prefer old cars.
Gaz-66 has one big fault - petrol engine. The power of this engine is not high, but consumtion of petrol is very high, too high. :-) I know, that for Soviet Army, and Polish People Army it wasn't problem. But from other hand for logistics it could be problem during any combat situation.

[kpt. Zbik]

"s uma soshol" to be exactly :)
to be with privet it is more to be strange or weird or very unusual
I have had to learn russina language, but I've done everything not to learn it. :-) My grandfather used to say: learn language of your enemies, but I was young and stupid. ;-) Now we have the same Coca-cola, McDolnalds and english... :)
What kind of engine is in Uaz Patriot? Permanent 4 wheel drive or like in Uaz 469B still 2WD and attach front drive? It looks like Toyota, Mitshubshi, Hunday mixed together.

[TheArmenian]

Dima,

You seem to be knowledgable about Russian trucks.

Is this Gaz-3308 (military version of Sadko truck) in use or being acquired by the Russian Army?

http://www.gaz.ru/avt/photo/3308_4.jpg

[TheArmenian]

Has this new armoured Kamaz model been ordered by the Russian army?

http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/iyo/iyon_tichiy-1141236971_i_8858_full.jpg

[dimasorokine]

My Ford Sierra has 266,000 KM and it is only 15th year old car ;-).So this 300,000 KM is nothing special for me ;-) I prefer old cars.
Gaz-66 has one big fault - petrol engine. The power of this engine is not high, but consumtion of petrol is very high, too high. :-) I know, that for Soviet Army, and Polish People Army it wasn't problem. But from other hand for logistics it could be problem during any combat situation.

There is difference between a ford driven on paved roads and an army truck driven off-road...1KM off-road would equal at least 3 of onroad use.

And yes, the petrol engine is a fault...there are diesel versions though :) And for a 2 ton truck, Gaz-66 is a great machine even though it was designed in the 60's.

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

TheArmenian,

Yes, Gaz-3308 has been in the Russian Army since the late 90's and the Kamaz-43269 (armored truck) is also in use, but in smaller numbers.

-Dima

[kpt. Zbik]

There is difference between a ford driven on paved roads and an army truck driven off-road...1KM off-road would equal at least 3 of onroad use.

-Dima
He, he you should see streets in Warsaw and roads in Poland. Off-road all the time. :-)

[dimasorokine]

He, he you should see streets in Warsaw and roads in Poland. Off-road all the time. :-)

True, same thing in Russia!
-Dima

[LEGEND]

In terms of quality and reliability i think nothing comes close to American commercial trucks like Freightliner or Peterbuilt, even after more then 2 million kilometers they are pulling strong. And they also look mean:)
That's on the highway, but offroad, Kamaz all the way.

[kpt. Zbik]

In terms of quality and reliability i think nothing comes close to American commercial trucks like Freightliner or Peterbuilt, even after more then 2 million kilometers they are pulling strong. And they also look mean:)
That's on the highway, but offroad, Kamaz all the way.
Ech... Freightliner, Peterbuilt, Kenworth. I will get one of them.. in another life. :-)
Kamaz all the way, not Oskosh or Steyer made by Stewart and Stevenson? ;-)

[dimasorokine]

In terms of quality and reliability i think nothing comes close to American commercial trucks like Freightliner or Peterbuilt, even after more then 2 million kilometers they are pulling strong. And they also look mean:)
That's on the highway, but offroad, Kamaz all the way.

American long haul trucks are actually very popular in Russia. And Mercedes, Man, Iveco have been known to go 2 million as well...I guess it depends on the maintenace of the trucks as well as the quality :)

-Dima

[madpendos]

Has this new armoured Kamaz model been ordered by the Russian army?

http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/iyo/iyon_tichiy-1141236971_i_8858_full.jpg

this vehicle reminds me of german ww2 vehicle, forgot its name......

[LEGEND]

this vehicle reminds me of german ww2 vehicle, forgot its name......

Perhaps its the SonderKraftfahrzeug 251? I can see why it is hard to remember the name rofl
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/SdKfz251-9.jpg/800px-SdKfz251-9.jpg
Might be some similarites in the front but that was a half track.

[unpredictable]

UAZ Patriot

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/003.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/006.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/002.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/027.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/030.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/031.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/033.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/037.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/050.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/055.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/144.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/157.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/161.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/167.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/178.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/181.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/183.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/023.jpg

http://www.uaz.by/i/gallery/medium/019.jpg

Great design, its close to kia sportage 1st generation, but they are on the good way.

[LEGEND]

American long haul trucks are actually very popular in Russia. And Mercedes, Man, Iveco have been known to go 2 million as well...I guess it depends on the maintenace of the trucks as well as the quality :)

-Dima

American trucks come with large sleeping cabs that offer a lot of conveniences, I can see how that come in handy on a Moscow-Vlasivostok drive:)

[pr0]

GAZ Vepr
http://pix.lenta.ru/photo/2006/08/04/mvsv/81.jpg

topic up ))

[Hawk of prairie]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9929/zis15102ic1.jpg
Grandpa or something:)

[*^*]

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br030.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-75.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-77.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-83.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-81.jpg
http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron2/br3-79.jpg


Looks like this thing could be a good patroling vehicle. With 12,7 mm at the top and gunners with 7,62 mm on the sides.

[pr0]

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9929/zis15102ic1.jpg
Grandpa or something:)
looks like its a time to start a topic about soviet/russian trucks in general ))

[pr0]

Looks like this thing could be a good patroling vehicle. With 12,7 mm at the top and gunners with 7,62 mm on the sides.
i think it is able to carry even 30mm. and some rocket launchers will be nice too )

[Dark Avenger]

You are referring to the GAZ-3937 "Vodnik" series, I guess. Which is a dedicated modular APC/Scout Vehicle/Weapons Platform.

[M4ko]

this vehicle reminds me of german ww2 vehicle, forgot its name......

Russians had a ZIL armored car of similar design during ww2, just as germans did. The design still looks modern even today.

[M4ko]

http://www.cayman4x4.ru/images/p_Tarantul2.jpg


great looking car, this is the exact cammo pattern i want for my lamborghini.

[Cifu]

What about the MAZ trucks?


Just a side note:

Several years ago, the MAZ are showed their trucks in Csobánka, Hungary for the Hungarian Army. The trucks are made a very decent show in the test course (perhaps the best off-road capability ever seen in those field). After the show, an Hungarian Colonel are praised the MAZ chief desinger for their work, but in the end, he made a short phrase:

-...sadly it's not NATO compatible.

The russian desinger smiled, and reply:

-How can you say that? What is not compatible?

Then point the truck, and carry on:

-Own desinged, special chassis, NATO standard hitch, Bosch feeder, ABS, Westinghouse compressed air system, EP servo system, EURO 3 engine, MAN cabin, NATO standard winder, 15 metric tons payload, can be overloaded to 20 tons under factory orders. Ohh, and an own desinged differential, wich allow the truck to make a turn on the spot (!!!). So, what make this truck to non-NATO compatible?

The hungarian delgation become speechles... (Hungary decided to buy hungarian-german RÁBA trucks later).

[pr0]

MAZ is actually from Belarus. but i think MAZ-truck are used in Russian army. i will try to find some fotos

[perdurabo]

-...sadly it's not NATO compatible.

lol NATO standards in trucks roflAFAIK NATO reqiures only to be able to run it on JF-5 (JT?) jet fuel and EU atleast Euro-3 emmision standards and i'm sure Russian companies can provide that.


I'm still wondering why on earth we don't buy Il-78 with RR or CFT engies and western avionics or AN-70 instead we try to buy some crappy old hercules and lease C-17 with other NATO countries, I understand that we don't buy fighters or tanks from them but thats just frigin cargo plane:cantbeli:

[pr0]

^^^ that is policy i think

[Cifu]

MAZ is actually from Belarus. but i think MAZ-truck are used in Russian army. i will try to find some fotos

Ohh... my mistake. Sorry. ^^

lol NATO standards in trucks roflAFAIK NATO reqiures only to be able to run it on JF-5 (JT?) jet fuel and EU atleast Euro-3 emmision standards and i'm sure Russian companies can provide that.

This "non-NATO compatible / NATO compatible" is become an popular phrase in Hungarian military terms... The MiG-29's are not NATO compatible, the JAS-39 are NATO compatible (sometimes referred at non NATO compatible, but the F-16's are), the UAZ's are not NATO compatible, the G-wagen are NATO compatible, etc...

You know, the good old political-military viewpoints...

that is policy i think

Indeed. Hungary try to save the last mohicans of our military industry, like the RÁBA, wich is almost died (the FÉG, once an proud gunmaker company are now in perish...). So, we buy trucks wich make in Hungary, but has more german-made component, than hungarian made. :)
Even those trucks are quite good, but for that prize, you can bought better ones, or similar good trucks for cheaper. :)

Like in the good old hungarian film-joke. The communist-era politicans are try to eat an lemon, referred as "orange". After the first bite, hes showing a quite interesting face... their comrade are convincingly speak to him:

-It's a little yellow, it's a little sour, but it's ours.

^^

[Angrykirill]

What about the MAZ trucks?


Just a side note:

Several years ago, the MAZ are showed their trucks in Csobánka, Hungary for the Hungarian Army. The trucks are made a very decent show in the test course (perhaps the best off-road capability ever seen in those field). After the show, an Hungarian Colonel are praised the MAZ chief desinger for their work, but in the end, he made a short phrase:

-...sadly it's not NATO compatible.

The russian desinger smiled, and reply:

-How can you say that? What is not compatible?

Then point the truck, and carry on:

-Own desinged, special chassis, NATO standard hitch, Bosch feeder, ABS, Westinghouse compressed air system, EP servo system, EURO 3 engine, MAN cabin, NATO standard winder, 15 metric tons payload, can be overloaded to 20 tons under factory orders. Ohh, and an own desinged differential, wich allow the truck to make a turn on the spot (!!!). So, what make this truck to non-NATO compatible?

The hungarian delgation become speechles... (Hungary decided to buy hungarian-german RÁBA trucks later).

Any photos of that model?

[Flamming_Python]

I would like to hope that within the near-future, economics will supercede politics, and Russian products will be considered in the West

[Cifu]

Any photos of that model?

Sorrowly i only hear about this recently, dont even know the exact type of the truck.

[Cat_Behemoth]

;)
My first post

[pr0]

welcome, but i`m not not sure that this car will be used in army :D

[Angrykirill]

Sorrowly i only hear about this recently, dont even know the exact type of the truck.

Ok but it sounds like something new (man cabin isn't exactly present on the domestic military MAZ)

[dimasorokine]

Any photos of that model?

It was probably a Maz-6317 or newer modification of it :)

http://avtocom.com/photo/maz/bigimages/maz6317-1.jpg

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

MAZ is actually from Belarus. but i think MAZ-truck are used in Russian army. i will try to find some fotos

You are right, the factory is in Belarus - but some heavy models are made in factories both in Russia and Belarus.

The Maz trucks that are in the Russian army are the heavy duty 8x8 monsters (most of the misile carriers are Maz/MZKT)

-Dima

[Hawk of prairie]

dude do you got any MAZ535 photo?

[dimasorokine]

dude do you got any MAZ535 photo?

Maz-537 looks roughly the same, but it's a better truck...

http://rusarmy.ru/enc/vehauto/maz537_4.jpg

http://rusarmy.ru/enc/vehauto/maz537_2.jpg

525 HP V12, Independent suspention, self locking differentials, CTIS, It's a pretty advanced heavy truck for it's time :)

-Dima

[TheArmenian]

Let's do a list of Russian truck makers (with websites):

www.uaz.ru (http://www.uaz.ru) UAZ 4x4 vehicles

www.uralaz.ru (http://www.uralaz.ru) URAL trucks

www.amz.ru (http://www.amz.ru) Vodnik truck

www.amo-zil.ru (http://www.amo-zil.ru) ZIL trucks

www.kamaz.net (http://www.kamaz.net) KAMAZ trucks

www.strategia.kurgan.ru (http://www.strategia.kurgan.ru) KZKT trucks

www.gaz.ru/main.htm (http://www.gaz.ru/main.htm) Tigr SUV

www.bzkt.ru (http://www.bzkt.ru) BZKT trucks

Does BZKT als produce the BAZ trucks?

Please complete the list. I might be missing a few...

[Hawk of prairie]

Maz-537 looks roughly the same, but it's a better truck...

http://rusarmy.ru/enc/vehauto/maz537_4.jpg

http://rusarmy.ru/enc/vehauto/maz537_2.jpg

525 HP V12, Independent suspention, self locking differentials, CTIS, It's a pretty advanced heavy truck for it's time :)

-Dima

What a beast!!!
Thanks alot dima woot

[AK74]

Russia Stroong!!!111

[dimasorokine]

Let's do a list of Russian truck makers (with websites):

www.uaz.ru (http://www.uaz.ru) UAZ 4x4 vehicles

www.uralaz.ru (http://www.uralaz.ru) URAL trucks

www.amz.ru (http://www.amz.ru) Vodnik truck

www.amo-zil.ru (http://www.amo-zil.ru) ZIL trucks

www.kamaz.net (http://www.kamaz.net) KAMAZ trucks

www.strategia.kurgan.ru (http://www.strategia.kurgan.ru) KZKT trucks

www.gaz.ru/main.htm (http://www.gaz.ru/main.htm) Tigr SUV

www.bzkt.ru (http://www.bzkt.ru) BZKT trucks

Does BZKT als produce the BAZ trucks?

Please complete the list. I might be missing a few...

Yes, BZKT is the longer version of "BAZ" - it is the same company :)

Also, let's add www.mzkt.by (http://www.mzkt.by) to your list, even though MZKT trucks are made in Belarus they are as much Russian as they are Belorussian since they were developed in soviet times, use and share Russian parts and componets and used mostly in Russia.

-Dima

[pr0]

has any1 got photos of new baz in army?

[pr0]

is it time to say cool? )))
http://www.mzkt.by/images/fotog/74135-4_b.jpg

http://www.mzkt.by/images/fotog/74295-2_b.jpg

[dimasorokine]

has any1 got photos of new baz in army?

I've only seen a few pictures, and can't find them right now...but here are some of the models in service:

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br023.jpg (http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/fotobr3.htm)

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br01.jpg (http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/fotobr3.htm)

http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/br02.jpg (http://voenavto.almanacwhf.ru/fotos/bron3/fotobr3.htm)

These trucks have the highest off-road mobility in the world for vehicles in their class - the Russian army does not use them in great numbers like the Kamaz, Ural and Zils but there are still quite a few in service.

-Dima

[pr0]

thx!
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[dimasorokine]

Here is an older Baz-6950 command center...

http://rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=37159

[Angrykirill]

It was probably a Maz-6317 or newer modification of it :)

http://avtocom.com/photo/maz/bigimages/maz6317-1.jpg

-Dima

Then it's a newer export model, the truck on the photo doesn't even have a MAN cabin (from what I can see that is)

[AT-T]

MZKT-79221
http://legion.wplus.net/guide/army/tr/mzkt79221-2.jpg

[dimasorokine]

Then it's a newer export model, the truck on the photo doesn't even have a MAN cabin (from what I can see that is)

I haven't seen any Maz Army truck with MAN cabs on them, usually they have the original MAZ ones.

-Dima

[larryzou]

its copy hummer will

[dimasorokine]

Gaz-66 (old, but still great):

http://www.4x4.ee/rigs/tarmo/gaz66/misc/2.jpg

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=80546

http://www.freeweb.hu/soviettrucks/cccp/gaz/gaz66/78.jpg

http://www.freeweb.hu/soviettrucks/cccp/gaz/gaz66/6.jpg

It's one of my favorites, as you can get one in good condition for $3,000, it has very good off-road capability and comes with CTIS, winch, self locking differentials etc.

Here is a vew vidoes:

http://tarmo.tkwcy.ee/albumid/vasulamarts2005/013_G.mpg
http://tarmo.tkwcy.ee/albumid/vasulamarts2005/014_G.mpg
http://tarmo.tkwcy.ee/albumid/vasulamarts2005/017_G.mpg

-Dima

[Angrykirill]

I haven't seen any Maz Army truck with MAN cabs on them, usually they have the original MAZ ones.

-Dima

That's what I mean, maybe they used a MAZ-MAN cabin judging from the description of the vehicle with all the extra features.

[dimasorokine]

That's what I mean, maybe they used a MAZ-MAN cabin judging from the description of the vehicle with all the extra features.

Do you have any links? What was the expo called?

-Dima

[Angrykirill]

No I don't, the description came from another user on the page before this one.

[Ronguild]

That URAL truck looks terrible.

[AT-T]

Finally an uparmoured transport Ural. There must be a high demand in chechnya for this vehicle.

[peio2]

That URAL truck looks terrible.


Yes, Big Bad Boy...

[EMPEROR ATTiLA]

http://www.vif2.ru/docs/mvsv/image055.jpg

what is it name?

[Ronguild]

It's a GAZ-233036 SMP-2 aka TIGR

[Ronguild]

Good walkaround of it on www.primeportal.net

[LEGEND]

Heres an old and proven truck KRAZ

http://www.youtube.com/v/3AYyVlHL2qs

[pr0]

hehe, check this
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/0P5IUxiU9ss

[pr0]

really good video
http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/hlYjae7uSoQ

[LEGEND]

^ Thats the same Kamaz that is used for Paris-Dakar, won the rally a few times already.

[bosnian red mafia 202]

nice lookin trucks that russia has

[Ronguild]

Gaz-29651
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0429.jpg
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0423.jpg


Where can i find more info on this babe.
I can't find the official constructor site.:-(

[mannelig]

It is called "Karatel" or Punisher
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/ - here is a little info

Not a truck. but...upgraded BTR-60 (for export only, as said 41 countries has it in service)
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/archive/2006/06/army/750/IMG_0033.jpg

[DIU]

Where can i find more info on this babe.
I can't find the official constructor site.:-(
As far as I’ve understood, Gaz-29651 “Karatel” is a prospective project of modular army jeep to replace the old UAZ-469 and its derivatives in the future. It is in fact the simplified lighter cheaper version of armoured “Tigr”. The first demonstration took place in August 2006, the finished product can’t be expected soon. The bigger pictures without watermarks:

http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87520 (http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87520)
http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87519 (http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87519)
http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87518 (http://www.rcforum.ru/modules.php?name=Forums&file=download&id=87518)

The trustworthy people affirm in Russian:
“полностью на наших комплектующих, что как раз нужно МО РФ
ТТХ:
масса в снаряженном состоянии 3700 кг против 4600 у Тигра
длина/ширина/высота - 5000/2200/2000 (мм) против 5160/2200/2000 у Тигра
база 3000 (мм) против 3100
дорожный просвет Карателя 360 мм, Тигр - 400 мм
двигатель ГАЗ-562 (190 л.с.) (3,2 л.) у Тигра Cummins B215 20 (215 л.с.) (5,9 л.) и это главное.
грузоподъемность 800 кг, у Тигра больше - четыре человека плюс 500-1000 кг.
Без подготовки машина преодолевает брод глубиной 1,2 м. ”

The developer’s site http://www.gaz.ru/ (http://www.gaz.ru/) and producer’s site http://www.amz.ru/index1.html (http://www.amz.ru/index1.html) still keep silence about Gaz-29651.

[dimasorokine]

Great! This thread is still alive :) I've found some new stuff to ad to it...

10 minute informational video about modern (90's) Kraz trucks, in English!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF_AeYIwnf8

Kraz-6322 6x6 factory promo (some crazy stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB-W-KK3dE

Off-Road video (Kraz-255, Gaz-66 and some other thing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsv1UnHBfJI

-Dima

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Mexican Navy Urals

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/atg.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/atg?full=1)
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/amv.jpg (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/bnr.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/bnr?full=1)

http://www.semar.gob.mx/informes/nueva_realidad_2004/TALLER.JPGhttp://www.semar.gob.mx/informes/nueva_realidad_2004/URAL02.JPG


Modify BTR-60 Called in the Mexican Navy APC-70
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/brn.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/brn?full=1)

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/ahq.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/ahq?full=1)http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/atf.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/atf?full=1)
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/album52/atm.sized.jpg (http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/album52/atm?full=1)


Russian Iglas Missiles on a Ural truck.

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5866/uralwithdjighitmexicoix9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

[LEGEND]

Great! This thread is still alive :) I've found some new stuff to ad to it...

10 minute informational video about modern (90's) Kraz trucks, in English!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF_AeYIwnf8

Kraz-6322 6x6 factory promo (some crazy stuff)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEB-W-KK3dE

Off-Road video (Kraz-255, Gaz-66 and some other thing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsv1UnHBfJI

-Dima

cool videos, in the second video what is that big towed missile?

[dimasorokine]

Mexican Navy Urals


Cool :) Any more pictures of the Urals in service with Mexico or South American countries?

-Dima

[pedro_rafael]

http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/4x4-trucks-iceland-land-rover-38.jpg

Driving this one is pure hell. Quite a cutie though. Last couple of times i had to get a massage afterwards.

Je,je....as a matter of fact, i fix Land Rovers for half a living. The other half in offices. But being below a lift wrenching Land Rovers is lots of fun.

Regards,

[CanAm]

Can a GAZ-66 still be found in excellent condition. I heard they were still being made in limited numbers.

[dimasorokine]

Can a GAZ-66 still be found in excellent condition. I heard they were still being made in limited numbers.

I believe they are only made for the Russian Army, and no small orders may be placed...

However, brand new Gaz-66 trucks from military stockpiles that only have delivery miles on them can be bought.

www.russiantruck.co.uk (http://www.russiantruck.co.uk) is an importer of Gaz-66 trucks into Western Europe.

-Dima

[LEGEND]

I believe they are only made for the Russian Army, and no small orders may be placed...

However, brand new Gaz-66 trucks from military stockpiles that only have delivery miles on them can be bought.

www.russiantruck.co.uk (http://www.russiantruck.co.uk) is an importer of Gaz-66 trucks into Western Europe.

-Dima

WOW now thast some business that guy has gotten going!
BMPs, T-34s, T-72s, amazing. Mi-24 is on sale this week!:)

From the videos it looks like the tanks and BMPs are being sold from large army bases, some of the vehicles are in "like new" condition after being just refurbished. Does anyone know why they are being sold off to private hands? Is that being done legally?

[Aztec Eagle 201st]

Cool :) Any more pictures of the Urals in service with Mexico or South American countries?

-Dima

I put more pictures in my ORIGINAL post of Urals and modify BTR-60

[AT-T]

WOW now thast some business that guy has gotten going!
BMPs, T-34s, T-72s, amazing. Mi-24 is on sale this week!:)

From the videos it looks like the tanks and BMPs are being sold from large army bases, some of the vehicles are in "like new" condition after being just refurbished. Does anyone know why they are being sold off to private hands? Is that being done legally?

He is even negotiating to resell the Mi-12 from monino aircraft museum rofl
I wouldn't believe much of that site.

[LEGEND]

He is even negotiating to resell the Mi-12 from monino aircraft museum rofl
I wouldn't believe much of that site.

well he says he put the photo of the monino one just for the display purpouses. There is another Mi-12 still in existance at the Mil plant, also unlikely to be sold though, but to give him credit he didn't say its for sale, he said he is negotiating the possibility.

[Flamming_Python]

WOW now thast some business that guy has gotten going!
BMPs, T-34s, T-72s, amazing. Mi-24 is on sale this week!:)

From the videos it looks like the tanks and BMPs are being sold from large army bases, some of the vehicles are in "like new" condition after being just refurbished. Does anyone know why they are being sold off to private hands? Is that being done legally?

Sounds like they have a lot of fun over there too :D

http://www.russiantruck.co.uk/movies/uncut-slovak2march01.wmv

[nick_ua]

http://www.4x4offroads.com/image-files/4x4-trucks-iceland-land-rover-38.jpg
thats a beauty

[pedro_rafael]

That's probably the problem. Too pretty for the way it handles.

Regards,

[dimasorokine]

WOW now thast some business that guy has gotten going!
BMPs, T-34s, T-72s, amazing. Mi-24 is on sale this week!:)

From the videos it looks like the tanks and BMPs are being sold from large army bases, some of the vehicles are in "like new" condition after being just refurbished. Does anyone know why they are being sold off to private hands? Is that being done legally?

It's all legal and legit, I've actually exchanged a few emails with the guy and he is very nice and informitive...

Most of the Trucks, Tanks, Planes etc. that are being sold are from stock piles of old Russian equipment from countries that are joining NATO and are planning to upgrade to more modern weapons, trucks, tanks etc.

He has most of the less expensive items in stock (Ural, Kraz, Gaz, Zil) and probably acts as more of a broker for the more expensive things.

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

I put more pictures in my ORIGINAL post of Urals and modify BTR-60

Thank you :)

[LEGEND]

It's all legal and legit, I've actually exchanged a few emails with the guy and he is very nice and informitive...

Most of the Trucks, Tanks, Planes etc. that are being sold are from stock piles of old Russian equipment from countries that are joining NATO and are planning to upgrade to more modern weapons, trucks, tanks etc.

He has most of the less expensive items in stock (Ural, Kraz, Gaz, Zil) and probably acts as more of a broker for the more expensive things.

-Dima

Do you know what he charges approximately for those trucks or bmps?

[dimasorokine]

Do you know what he charges approximately for those trucks or bmps?

I believe the Zil-131 trucks go for around $10,000 US (price after being imported) fully refurbished and with very low milage. The Ural is probably a little more and the Gaz-66 a little less. Also, I would expect a standard flatbet / cargo truck to go for less than the camper style shelter body modifications.

As for the BMP and other tanks, but probably very cheap as well considering they are demiliterized.

-Dima

PS: Here is one of the trucks from the website up for sale on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zil-6X6-TRUCK-CAMPER-MOTORHOME-EX-MILITARY-View-FILM_W0QQitemZ300072667169QQihZ020QQcategoryZ9883QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[T-62]

yes, 131 is good too, but there were not good 1,5-3 tons truck

http://www.gruzoviki.ru/f/asis/3ghj81seq2l.jpg


I just cant stop locking the looks and preformance of Russian trucks. I have several scale models of them and one that I builted half way myself. However, there was another version of the above truck that I seen when I was a kid back in Afghanistan. It was the same rapair Zil vehicle with a crane in front of it. We used to call them the truck with pines lol but lately I havent seen any around.

[LEGEND]

Now thats a cheap price for a military truck like that... 10k
I wonder how much do they cost in Russia.

[LEGEND]

I just cant stop locking the looks and preformance of Russian trucks. I have several scale models of them and one that I builted half way myself.

Since you mention...
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6075/img0157ua5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Heres my collection of military scale models, I have more non army ones.

[dimasorokine]

Since you mention...
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6075/img0157ua5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Heres my collection of military scale models, I have more non army ones.

:) I remember these! I used to have all the ones you have except the RAF van. The great thing about these models is they are pretty tough, and are fun to play with when you're a kid.

-Dima

[dimasorokine]

Now thats a cheap price for a military truck like that... 10k
I wonder how much do they cost in Russia.


I think it's a little cheaper in Russia from the Army suplus dealers - but it's cheapest (2-5K) in countries like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and other eastern European countries.

-Dima

[IDF-Godzilla]

Wow!
I remember having models like these when i was a kid, i remember having a KAMAZ truck exactly that kind only in civilian painting, also i had a CHAIKA that lost a wheel :(.

[T-62]

Since you mention...
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6075/img0157ua5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Heres my collection of military scale models, I have more non army ones.


Beautiful collection, I will get one of the Maz truck and a zil tanker like that of yours from e bay. Here is my half way builte Kamaz crane that I never finished. I used spagaty sticks and glued them together and for tires I used the tires of a BMP-2 scale model that I had.

[Ronguild]

Beautiful collection, I will get one of the Maz truck and a zil tanker like that of yours from e bay. Here is my half way builte Kamaz crane that I never finished. I used spagaty sticks and glued them together and for tires I used the tires of a BMP-2 scale model that I had.

Spaghetti sticks ! don't forget this truck is not amphibious !:)