About Battle Footage!

[raisetheissue]

I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:


http://www.youtube.com/v/UzQNuLHCirk

[AlphaOneSix]

So combat footage is worthless unless you actually see someone getting shot/blown up?

So I guess that 99% of all combat footage is worthless to you. Man, that sucks for you...I'm sorry.

[svendejong]

So combat footage is worthless unless you actually see someone getting shot/blown up?

So I guess that 99% of all combat footage is worthless to you. Man, that sucks for you...I'm sorry.

maybe you should take a deep breath and read his post again.

Sometimes cameramen/journalists ask soldiers/combatants to fire away in a certain direction so they can film it and get a cool looking shot.|Then they send this to their agencies claiming it's 'battlefootage'.
I think this is what raisetheissue is refering to.

[Deftoner]

So combat footage is worthless unless you actually see someone getting shot/blown up?

So I guess that 99% of all combat footage is worthless to you. Man, that sucks for you...I'm sorry.

well generally people checking out ******.com are into that....

[Cheky]

I like seeing battle footage to see the soldiers expression and how they act. As a soldier who has never been in battle I would never know the feeling of being in that situation, to be put outside your comfort zone in that extreme way. Excersices and adventure training will never come close to what is would be like there.

Dont expect the footage to be like any war movie, or video game. You might not see the enemy but id rather assume that there is one out there.

[FozzieBear]

most of the time you can tell if there are incoming rounds, ak's sound very distinctive, so you know when they are shooting back in a video, and if they arent well maybe they are dead already, i say you should just enjoy the videos and take them for what they are.

[Bushman]

Well, you got a good point, and i've heard about journasits paying extra to soldier for making a "show". They can make money on it.

Of course, mostly it is impossible to make good shots (photos etc) of the enemy, but take this in mind, it -could- be a scene made up just to make more money.

As for the media in general, we can only hope they are telling us the truth and take evering thing in consideration... Just don't get that naive and think everthing is as it should be..

/again, sorry for any bad spelling :)

[Bushman]

i say you should just enjoy the videos and take them for what they are.

Good point!

[williamoforange]

Sometimes cameramen/journalists ask soldiers/combatants to fire away in a certain direction so they can film it and get a cool looking shot.|Then they send this to their agencies claiming it's 'battlefootage'.
I think this is what raisetheissue is refering to.

while i do think that the media is that low and i stand by the statement that if it bleeds, it leads, i would like to believe that the g*ddamn military and our boys over there have more integrety, especially during a firefight, to take a few minutes of break away from their platoon to let some hippie media journalist get a money shot.

and by what evidence does anyone have that the media pays our boys to get money shots, and servicemen actually accepting it? because i've never seen/heard of official statements, and heresay is not enough. if there is actual evidence of this malarky then bring it forth, and i will take this all back. if not, then get your heads out of ya'lls asses. not everyone is about the benji's.

[AlphaOneSix]

maybe you should take a deep breath and read his post again.

Sometimes cameramen/journalists ask soldiers/combatants to fire away in a certain direction so they can film it and get a cool looking shot.|Then they send this to their agencies claiming it's 'battlefootage'.
I think this is what raisetheissue is refering to.

Okay, I took a deep breath, and then I reread the post. I came to the same conclusion. It appears that what he is saying is that since you only see one side shooting, then it looks like a propaganda film. If it is actual combat, but doesn't show the enemy, then it's worthless as combat footage.

I think that your interpretation of his intent is incorrect, but that's cool, everyone can have their own opinion, I don't mind. ;)

[guest]

I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:




I can assure you that the camera footage for Canadian Forces was very real.

In fact, some of the footage was of battles in which CF personel were KIA (not to mention WIA)

Ex: Battle of Panjwanii..

Believe me, I'm sure the families of the dead WISHED those were fake battles...


Will you see dead bodies?.. no.. Combat Camera edits those out.

(alhough there has been footage posted showing at least one enemy KIA form an embed)

Will you see insurgents in action, not likely from a camera with coalition forces..it's not wise to stick your head up.. (There's always an exception, but most reports want to live.

Again, an experienced observer or military personel can distiguish between incomming and outgoing fire, I mysef distinctly heard AK and RPG incoming on the CF vids.

[snoddy]

usually when i watch things from that site, i cringe... kinda on the edge of my seat waiting for that scene to come, i was kinda happy i didnt see anything.... so what happened? what were they shooting at? seemed weird they were close enough to throw grenades but not engage them directly.....

[Audio]

usually when i watch things from that site, i cringe... kinda on the edge of my seat waiting for that scene to come, i was kinda happy i didnt see anything.... so what happened? what were they shooting at? seemed weird they were close enough to throw grenades but not engage them directly.....

Search for something like "canadian forces in Afghanistan" on youtube. There's several videos showing a two day period IIRC, on the second day they are at the position they were firing at in this video.

[Kenshin]

I can give you videos of Rambo and Chuck Delta force if that will keep youre stupidity out of the way.



I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:


http://www.youtube.com/v/UzQNuLHCirk

[guest]

usually when i watch things from that site, i cringe... kinda on the edge of my seat waiting for that scene to come, i was kinda happy i didnt see anything.... so what happened? what were they shooting at? seemed weird they were close enough to throw grenades but not engage them directly.....



If you want to see the "enemy", watch a war movie.. or join the military and get a combat tour, then you can see all the action and dead bodies (or parts) up close.

YOU WON"T see that sort of thing from combat cameras or western media embedded for the most part, any graphic or sensitive material is edited out.

AS a rule, most combatants (as well as cameramen), stay hidden behind objects as much as possible.. if they want to live..

Standing up and waiting for the Timmie to pop up and let a few rounds go toward your position, just so you can *film him*.. is deffinatley Darwin Award Material

As well, in ref to Afghanistan, there are not alot of built up area's from which camera men can hide and get differnt angles, so most of the footage is from the Coalition Forces perspective.


I can only speak from CF experience.

AS far as Combat Camera is concerned,

1: You will NEVER see the enemy (from the front, either captured or killed, or engaged)

You MAY see pics or vids showing captured from the back.. but not faces.
I suppose it's possible to see "shapes", or weapons fire.. but nothing close up or graphic.


2: You will NEVER see dead or injured combatants.

For obvious reasons..

Now, who knows what an embed or even a soldier themselves might film, but I can assure you.. most soldiers I know would not be so irresponsible, and embeds have to co-operate as well..

Bottom line.. if you want to graphic vids of the reality of war, if you think real life is just not *cool* or exciting enough.

Enlist, find an AOR and dive in...

God, I lost 10 iq points responding to this dumb thread

[IsraeliEffect]

anyone know where I can get wmv clips of idf combat?

[Sidka]

Well long story short Combatcamera.com is not bull****..They dont pay soldier for shot some round trust me..All the guy who filming or take pic are from Canadian Force they are Soldier but whit cam :)

And for you all the combat footage from Fallujah who you see Marines shot at house and drop bomb at car or whatever are fake cuz you never see any enemy?You gonna ave some friend here i think

[shortyirish12]

I am a Canadian soldier who just returned from Afghanistan (second tour) 4 weeks ago. I fought in Panjwaii with my brothers and sisters, several times... not to mention Helmand, Sangin, lakshar gar, Spin Boldak...and so on, our brothers to the south as well as across the see fought hard with us...Americans, British, Dutch, and Aussies.....I know Panjwaii all to well and I can personally guarantee when those films were shot....there were positive ID targets....360 degrees. That place is a nightmare, and every night I say a prayer for our brothers who replaced us and are continuing the fight. Unless you have been there and experienced it, you should really consider that there are people we left behind in those places and they didn't die from natural causes. In Canada, we don't shoot for the camera...unless you are prepared for the charge parade that will follow it.

[Kleistmaster]

ridiculous imo but im not a solider, someone with some war experience to confirm this vid looks like a real combat situation?

[IsraeliEffect]

Well long story short Combatcamera.com is not bull****..They dont pay soldier for shot some round trust me..All the guy who filming or take pic are from Canadian Force they are Soldier but whit cam :)

And for you all the combat footage from Fallujah who you see Marines shot at house and drop bomb at car or whatever are fake cuz you never see any enemy?You gonna ave some friend here i think
That site doesnt seem to be working, but do you know where I can get some footage of Israeli soldiers in action?

[Sidka]

That site doesnt seem to be working, but do you know where I can get some footage of Israeli soldiers in action?

Combatcamera is a canadian army website but for your IDF video try youtube.com or google.ca just make a search for idf

[rhino]

ridiculous imo but im not a solider, someone with some war experience to confirm this vid looks like a real combat situation?


are you dull???? read the posts prior to yous:cantbeli:

[LaoSexMachine]

I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:


http://www.youtube.com/v/UzQNuLHCirk

You are stupid and o-grish(terrorist propaganda) is not allowed here. You fvcking think the cameraman is going to stand up and try to focus on where the troops are shooting at? You need a ban.

[alexz]

anyone know where I can get wmv clips of idf combat?


Start wiith this one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5051494141796755450&q=IDF&hl=en

[khukuri]

Its not a fvcking movie where you have several camera men running around and making it look like hollywood for you moron

[Kleistmaster]

are you dull???? read the posts prior to yous:cantbeli:

dull?

i gave my opinion to author of the thread, whats the problem?

[Hunterhr]

99% of most combat footage is simply guys blazing away. There's no way you can record combat with a camera. Even if you stick it out of cover, you're not going to be recording anything interesting. People shooting at you from 400 meters away don't register too well on film.

[Friendly Fire]

Start wiith this one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5051494141796755450&q=IDF&hl=en


Sorry but can you feed us with something else than the great IDF at work, you know what I mean. The Counterordering that comes two days after the position has been taken, or the stupid wait for an hypothetical enemy. You now stuff your guys speak out loud now.

God I never suspected the IDF to perform on a russian standart but there the IDF comes with the classical Grozny/Maikop blunder.

Any way thanks for the Film, I think being harsch with the IDF isn't the right way to do it.

Goodspeed.

[Johnny_H02]

I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:


If you really want to see war at in all its glory ... you should check this thread out if you can stomach it.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92852

I sure as hell couldnt but that is why I am where I am.
Pretty easy to be "Gung Ho" and not have to see a "Blast wound" or see your brothers smashed to pieces inside a blown up jeep, or AFV.

[IsraeliEffect]

thanks man!

Start wiith this one.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5051494141796755450&q=IDF&hl=en

[alexz]

Sorry but can you feed us with something else than the great IDF at work, you know what I mean. The Counterordering that comes two days after the position has been taken, or the stupid wait for an hypothetical enemy. You now stuff your guys speak out loud now.

God I never suspected the IDF to perform on a russian standart but there the IDF comes with the classical Grozny/Maikop blunder.

Any way thanks for the Film, I think being harsch with the IDF isn't the right way to do it.

Goodspeed.

I'm realy not sure what you mean. seems like the enemy was there
as the IDF soldiers were injured by live fire and granades.
It don't think it was a Grozny like operation, altough the hezzbolla
was ready like the Chechens for large armour column with massive amounts
of AT rockets and IEDs. There were manu IDF SF operations bedore the ground invasion
(which was delayed by politicians). Let me know what you want to see and perhaps
i'll find photage of it.

[-CROAT-SOLDIER-]

I have seen " battle footage" some posted here and others not.. Is this real footage or is a propaganda tool. Footage from the Canadian forces in Afghanistan, IDF in Lebanon, US in iraq or wherever.. All I see is the armies shooting and the camera is from the side... Nothing is happening-you don't know if they are shooting at anyone... I understand that it is way too dangerous for camera men to get that close..... but than what is the point of showing battle footage? Here is an example:


http://www.youtube.com/v/UzQNuLHCirk

Man I don't understand half the stuff you are trying to get to, do you honestly think someone wants to tape someone shooting another human being in the face? For people like yourself to enjoy? Im sorry this is the "Western Way" of things that are shown on television not the Taliban or Mujeeden T.V. Why would they shoot nothing and waist LAV rounds and RPG rounds for a television station? It dose not make any sence.

[rhino]

ridiculous imo but im not a solider, someone with some war experience to confirm this vid looks like a real combat situation?


I can assure you that the camera footage for Canadian Forces was very real.

In fact, some of the footage was of battles in which CF personel were KIA (not to mention WIA)

Ex: Battle of Panjwanii..

Believe me, I'm sure the families of the dead WISHED those were fake battles...


Will you see dead bodies?.. no.. Combat Camera edits those out.

(alhough there has been footage posted showing at least one enemy KIA form an embed)

Will you see insurgents in action, not likely from a camera with coalition forces..it's not wise to stick your head up.. (There's always an exception, but most reports want to live.

Again, an experienced observer or military personel can distiguish between incomming and outgoing fire, I mysef distinctly heard AK and RPG incoming on the CF vids.

ok, maybe I reacted harshly, if you fallow the thread you will find couple of people that already confirmed that the vid is legit, there is also a whole thread dedicated to couple of this vids

[snoddy]

If you want to see the "enemy", watch a war movie.. or join the military and get a combat tour, then you can see all the action and dead bodies (or parts) up close.

YOU WON"T see that sort of thing from combat cameras or western media embedded for the most part, any graphic or sensitive material is edited out. where on earth are you???? i guess you didnt see the clip where marines shot a guy after he already went down or when a marine killed a guy playin dead????

AS a rule, most combatants (as well as cameramen), stay hidden behind objects as much as possible.. if they want to live..

Standing up and waiting for the Timmie???? to pop up and let a few rounds go toward your position, just so you can *film him*.. is deffinatley Darwin Award Material

As well, in ref to Afghanistan, there are not alot of built up area's from which camera men can hide and get differnt angles, so most of the footage is from the Coalition Forces perspective.


I can only speak from CF experience.

AS far as Combat Camera is concerned,

1: You will NEVER see the enemy (from the front, either captured or killed, or engaged) yes you will if the cameraman is any good.....

You MAY see pics or vids showing captured from the back.. but not faces.
I suppose it's possible to see "shapes", or weapons fire.. but nothing close up or graphic. you have to be kidding....


2: You will NEVER see dead or injured combatants. again you have to kidding me....

For obvious reasons..

Now, who knows what an embed or even a soldier themselves might film, but I can assure you.. most soldiers I know would not be so irresponsible, and embeds have to co-operate as well.. guess you havent been overseas in a combat zone, hmmmm or have you?????

Bottom line.. if you want to graphic vids of the reality of war, if you think real life is just not *cool* or exciting enough.

Enlist, find an AOR and dive in... i think i did that already and my job over there, for the 11 months i was in ramadi iraq, was a gunner.....

God, I lost 10 iq points responding to this dumb thread

:cantbeli: is he talkin to me??? ahh maybe you should check my posts before you start typing..... :|

[rhino]

:cantbeli: is he talkin to me??? ahh maybe you should check my posts before you start typing..... :|


yea, there is nothing in you original post on this topic to indicate that you are anything more then a disapointed teen looking for a "good" clip, and definitly no one here "investigates" what other posters had done in real life, so when you say something its a good idea to indicate what's your experience

and guest has had enouth exposure to say what he said

[snoddy]

i can understand if didnt take the time to check it out before he typed, but it was the way he said it, thats all maybe he could of said something like, do you have any combat exp.? whats your background you know general conversation....
buts heres a piece of my bio, i was a gunner for 11 months on the outskirts of ramadi i worked the msr, car stops and searches, aka vcp's and snap vcp's, made sure convoys were safe to enter and leave the FOB and ran op's we also conducted village searches and house raids/kicked in doors, also patrolled the tameem area, (thats ramadi's ghetto neighborhood) and responded to actions through out our AO.... responded and fought off some attacks against our op's and friends op's. that should do for now.....