IraQ War Pic (GRAPHIC)

[Roman P.]

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[Ratamacue]

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These photos are from a training exercise, not Iraq.

[wubanga101]

the secound to last two are training

[Jarhead]

Thanks for posting....knew most of the pictures but good job anyway

Jarhead

[ed316]

Might just want to provide links to some.

[SiFiOn]

Graphic indeed...

[MoFo]

Ive seen these pictures, in the exact same order as this one.

[goat89]

Nice pics! The last pic...the injured Marine was given a MOH right?

[Groove]

Nice pics! The last pic...the injured Marine was given a MOH right?


Afaik it wasnt the MOH but the 2nd highest Medal they have.

[Dronetek]

These are old pictures. I think most are from the invasion.

[Sloppy Joe2]

Nice pics! The last pic...the injured Marine was given a MOH right? not to be rude, but no one who is awarded the Medal of Honor is GIVEN it. It is received by those who put themselves above the call of duty and demonstrate the meaning of selfless service.

[GromGrad]

not to be rude, but no one who is awarded the Medal of Honor is GIVEN it. It is received by those who put themselves above the call of duty and demonstrate the meaning of selfless service.


Ehh tell that to Guy Gabaldon. Lets not get so touchy about a medal. There are many who diserved one who never got it. Given/Awarded same ****.

[BobChanel]

The 18th picture down was from 1991. (black and white one)

[kjchan]

blood, that's the cost of war

[Ratamacue]

Afaik it wasnt the MOH but the 2nd highest Medal they have.That's correct. SgtMaj (then 1stSgt) Kasal was awarded the Navy Cross.

[evanfitz]

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Desert Storm

[Sloppy Joe2]

Ehh tell that to Guy Gabaldon. Lets not get so touchy about a medal. There are many who diserved one who never got it. Given/Awarded same ****. i agree with you that uncommon valor is common thing, that doesnt give anyone the right to negate its meaning and those who earn it.

I have seen soldiers given Medals and Commendations and i have seen soldiers who have earned them, and from a personal perspective they are very different!

[-CROAT-SOLDIER-]

Ouch, looks very painful... Espessially that guy with the cast around his arm with holes in his back. Hope they do well down there and get out asap.

[BenUSMC]

Theres this big thing going on in the military right now conserning the Combat action medal. Alot of people tried successfully to make it so that being attacked by an IED qualifies you to be awarded the Combat action medal. Before the Iraq war you had to be in DIRECT force on force combat, meaning you exchanged small arms fire. I personnally think that they shouldnt have changed the rules since they pretty much lowered the standards for the medal, making it less meaningfull for those that earned it "the old fashioned way". I realise that the reality of this war is alot different than all previous wars, but as it is now, if a bomb blows up next to your car you are awarded the same medal as your dad was in vietnam for his baptism of fire. I just dont think its right

[Sloppy Joe2]

Theres this big thing going on in the military right now conserning the Combat action medal. Alot of people tried successfully to make it so that being attacked by an IED qualifies you to be awarded the Combat action medal. Before the Iraq war you had to be in DIRECT force on force combat, meaning you exchanged small arms fire. I personnally think that they shouldnt have changed the rules since they pretty much lowered the standards for the medal, making it less meaningfull for those that earned it "the old fashioned way". I realise that the reality of this war is alot different than all previous wars, but as it is now, if a bomb blows up next to your car you are awarded the same medal as your dad was in vietnam for his baptism of fire. I just dont think its right I am not sure if you are refering to the same thing, but in the Army we have the Combat Action Badge. I do not know a single Combat Arms soldier who wears the Badge, it is mainly for Soldiers in support units who would like to be recoginized for what they did/ went through.
Some Support soldiers earn them, but word from my guys is most do not.

[Soldier_4_Christ]

It's not the same as a CIB (Combat Infantry Badge). Only Infantry can receive CIB, but support troops can receive the CAB. There's a big difference.

[wubanga101]

Theres this big thing going on in the military right now conserning the Combat action medal. Alot of people tried successfully to make it so that being attacked by an IED qualifies you to be awarded the Combat action medal. Before the Iraq war you had to be in DIRECT force on force combat, meaning you exchanged small arms fire. I personnally think that they shouldnt have changed the rules since they pretty much lowered the standards for the medal, making it less meaningfull for those that earned it "the old fashioned way". I realise that the reality of this war is alot different than all previous wars, but as it is now, if a bomb blows up next to your car you are awarded the same medal as your dad was in vietnam for his baptism of fire. I just dont think its right
1. welcom to mp.netwoot
2. well from what i can say and ied is more dangerous since it caused the most caulities in iraq and being able to live through the experience and keep doing your job shows you got balls.but thas my opinion.

[Hutz]

That's correct. SgtMaj (then 1stSgt) Kasal was awarded the Navy Cross.

Impressive:

From the MC news.


Wounded Marine in iconic Fallujah photo awarded Navy Cross
May 4, 2006; Submitted on: 05/03/2006 07:12:54 PM ; Story ID#: 200653191254

By Lance Cpl. Patrick J. Floto, MCB Camp Pendleton

MARINE CORPS BASE CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (May 4, 2006) -- Sgt. Maj. Bradley A. Kasal feels he did what any good Marine would’ve done.

That includes taking enemy rifle fire on Nov. 14, 2004, absorbing a grenade blast and refusing medical attention inside Fallujah’s “House of Hell” during Operation Al Fajr (New Dawn).

For his extraordinary heroism and leadership in Fallujah, Iraq, as the Weapons Company first sergeant for 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division, Kasal was awarded the Navy Cross during a ceremony here Monday.

“The word hero is tossed around pretty loosely these days,” said Maj. Gen. Michael R. Lehnert, Commanding General of Marine Corps Installations West, after awarding Kasal with the Naval service’s second-highest decoration, in front of an audience that included the 1st Marine Division’s past and present commanding generals, Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis and Maj. Gen. Richard F. Natonski, respectively.

”Some may call a basketball player a hero for scoring the winning goal or a celebrity for donating a small portion of their earnings to a good cause, but Kasal is a true American hero.”

When then-1st Sgt. Kasal assisted one of his platoons with an over watch inside Fallujah that day, intense gunfire broke out in an Iraqi home to his immediate front.

Seconds later, Marines were rapidly exiting the building, known as the “House of Hell.” “That house was a death trap,” said Maj. Gen. Lehnert.

“It was set up for one purpose: to kill United States Marines.” Kasal could have easily stayed out of the house.”

When he found out that there were Marines still pinned down inside the infamous house, nothing the insurgents could put on the table would stop him from rescuing his Marines.

“Going in for them was the right thing to do,” said Kasal, 39, who hails from Afton, Iowa. “They’re Marines, and I’m a Marine. We look out for each other.”

Upon entry of the house, Kasal found himself face-to-face with an insurgent who he neutralized at extreme close range. Shortly afterwards, AK-47 gunfire was coming from all directions, and Kasal was hit from behind.

“While I was in that house, I made three life or death decisions,” Kasal said. “I never thought I would live through any of them, but I did what I did to help the other Marines.”

The first decision Kasal made was to expose himself to enemy fire in order to pull another wounded Marine out of the line of fire. Kasal took more enemy fire doing this.

While both Marines were under cover, they assessed their wounds. Both had multiple injuries, but there were only enough bandages for one of them to live.

Kasal made his second decision to forfeit his medical supplies to the other Marine.

“It made more sense to use all of the bandages on one of us then to split the supplies and have us both bleed to death,” Kasal said.

The insurgents deployed a hand grenade to get the Marines out of cover, and it landed within a few feet of the two bleeding Marines.

Kasal then decided to use his own severely wounded body to protect the Marine from shrapnel.

By the time he was carried out of the house by Lance Cpl. Chris Marquez and Lance Cpl. Dan Shaffer as Lucian M. Reed, an Associated Press photographer snapped the iconic photo displayed at Marine Corps installations all over the globe, Kasal had lost approximately 60 percent of his blood from more than 40 shrapnel wounds and seven 7.62 mm AK-47 gunshots.

One day prior to being awarded the Navy Cross Kasal’s father passed away.

However, a live video teleconference feed to Kasal’s hometown provided his mother, family members and friends an opportunity to watch him receive the Navy Cross, be promoted to the rank of sergeant major and reenlist for three years.

“It’s been a very emotional week,” Kasal said. “I am blessed to recover from my injuries, which the doctors thought would never happen, and regain my place in the Marine Corps. I would take the pain of surgeries any day over the pain of being away from my Marines.”

[Sloppy Joe2]

It's not the same as a CIB (Combat Infantry Badge). Only Infantry can receive CIB, but support troops can receive the CAB. There's a big difference. thats what i was referring to :). I know a few Cavalry Scouts who have been awarded the CIB, but only because they were in Infantry units. It is the same way with earning your Spurs and Stetson, any Soldier who is in a Cavalry unit can be granted the right to wear them.

[Soldier_4_Christ]

thats what i was referring to :). I know a few Cavalry Scouts who have been awarded the CIB, but only because they were in Infantry units. It is the same way with earning your Spurs and Stetson, any Soldier who is in a Cavalry unit can be granted the right to wear them.


Your right. You just beat me to the punch as far as "post time".

[BenUSMC]

Its a ribbon, not a medal sorry
Quote from http://www.usamilitarymedals.com/combat-action-ribbon-p-132.html?gov=a0ee780c610b491872aab143c82ec954

Criteria: Awarded principally to U.S. Navy and Marine Corps service members in any grade including and below that of a Captain in the Navy (or Colonel in the Marine Corps) who have actively participated in bona-fide ground or naval surface combat with hostile enemy forces. Such performance under enemy fire must be deemed "honorable and satisfactory" which excludes the award to those who show cowardice in the face of an enemy or retreat without cause. U.S. Army personnel who earned the Combat Infantryman Badge or Combat Medical Badge while a member of the Army may be authorized to wear the Combat Action Ribbon upon application to the Department of the Navy. The Combat Action Ribbon is also awarded to members of the United States Coast Guard when operating under the control of the Navy. The Combat Action Ribbon was first created in February 1969 with retroactive presentation to 1961-03-01. On 1999-10-05, by Presidential Order of Bill Clinton, the retroactive effective date of the Combat Action Ribbon was changed to 1941-12-07 which was the entry date of the United States of America into the Second World War. Additional decorations of the Combat Action Ribbon are denoted by gold and silver award stars.

[Soldier_4_Christ]

There is a Combat Action Badge (CAB) in the Army for MOS's other than 11B (Infantry) that engage in combat.

[American Patriot]

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Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor

[GromGrad]

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Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor


It's body armor, you can get it cheap on the internet. It's not 1991.

[Hutz]

It's body armor, you can get it cheap on the internet. It's not 1991.

He probably took it off some Iraqi police officer. Guessing he took that chest rig from some Iraqi soldier.
But then again, just guessing.

[Kak]

not to be rude, but no one who is awarded the Medal of Honor is GIVEN it. It is received by those who put themselves above the call of duty and demonstrate the meaning of selfless service.
I think he used the word "given" because in the English language it is extremely often used synonymously with many words, "awarded" is one of them, in casual conversation. I'm sure he's well aware that you earn a Medal of Honor and that they aren't just handed out, I don't really think it was necessary to correct him.

Just my opinion. ;)

[stuntman]

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Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor
Isn't showing the bottom of your boot to a member of Islam a incredibly offensive thing to do? Because if that is true this picture has got to be the best FU to the terrorist...

[BenUSMC]

it is, the bottom of your feet are considered unclean, which is why it is offensive, especially for them, since they are often barefoot and as a result have NASTY feet.

Other offensive jestures include

Pointing, it is proper to use your whole hand when directing attention to something.
Giving thumbs up is kinda like giving the finger.

I dont think he's showing his boot so much as he just kicked the dude.

I dunno why, but I noticed he wasn't wearing any boot bands before I noticed the body armor

[Sdet21]

Nice pics thanks for posting!!

Sdet21

[Bushman]

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Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor

I assume so, kneepads and a subload too :)


..Sorry, could not resist, just take in mind that there are people on here who are with the resistens, keep it clean you know :)

Edit: It could be an Iraqi army soldier and a Iraqi policeman occording to thier clothing..

[Digital Marine]

Isn't showing the bottom of your boot to a member of Islam a incredibly offensive thing to do? Because if that is true this picture has got to be the best FU to the terrorist...

Looks like he just pushed him with his boot to see what's underneath him.

[Snipa_D]

Isn't showing the bottom of your boot to a member of Islam a incredibly offensive thing to do? Because if that is true this picture has got to be the best FU to the terrorist...
hes not showing him the bottom of his boot he is rolling him onto his back its easier that getting blood on your hands and possibly catching aids from the guys blood

[Some Guy]

..Sorry, could not resist, just take in mind that there are people on here who are with the resistens, keep it clean you know :)



Who? Name them.

[DutchPower]

Nice Pics!

Impressive

[Bushman]

How? I don't know any..

Anyone can see the pictures, not only rigisteret members. It is just that you/we/who ever, should take care that they aren't offending someone. They are dead humans, and they have family and friends too..

Just in general you know :)

[Nick_Karatzides]

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Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor
It's body armor, you can get it cheap on the internet.My personal comments:
I believe that this picture should be followed with a warning or NSFW notice. Yes, he is an Iraqi "terrorist" (who is the one who decides who IS the terrorist and who IS NOT?). Yes, is supposed to be the "enemy" but after all he is a soldier believing on something while fighting and willing to die for a purpose - Just like ANY soldier. He is a human with a father & mother, a wife & children waiting for him to come back home, relatives etc and his dead body (according my moral ethics) should NOT be insulted like this way.
Why NOT wearing a bodyarmor? Why it is so strange? After all, he's involved into a combat zone soldier and he's doing his best to protect himself, just like ANY soldier would do! So, what we really expect from the "enemy"? To throw their rifles, loose their armor & give us a clear target? Who would do such thing while fighting into a combat zone?
ANYBODY could get ANYTHING on internet, including the most expensive and effective body or head armor you can get. It simply depends by the following factor: How much are you willing to pay for your personal life insurance?
Yes, war is a dirty thing that makes human's worst anger & hate come on surface, but please imagine a world that Iraqis could control the UN, the media, the NATO, the press... almost anything. Would anybody like to see our troops beeing dead and insulted via internet pictures, named as "terrorists" or "assholes" or else? Hmmm don't think so.

[Sloppy Joe2]

My personal comments:
I believe that this picture should be followed with a warning or NSFW notice. Yes, he is an Iraqi "terrorist" (who is the one who decides who IS the terrorist and who IS NOT?). Yes, is supposed to be the "enemy" but after all he is a soldier believing on something while fighting and willing to die for a purpose - Just like ANY soldier. He is a human with a father & mother, a wife & children waiting for him to come back home, relatives etc and his dead body (according my moral ethics) should NOT be insulted like this way.
Why NOT wearing a bodyarmor? Why it is so strange? After all, he's involved into a combat zone soldier and he's doing his best to protect himself, just like ANY soldier would do! So, what we really expect from the "enemy"? To throw their rifles, loose their armor & give us a clear target? Who would do such thing while fighting into a combat zone?
ANYBODY could get ANYTHING on internet, including the most expensive and effective body or head armor you can get. It simply depends by the following factor: How much are you willing to pay for your personal life insurance?
Yes, war is a dirty thing that makes human's worst anger & hate come on surface, but please imagine a world that Iraqis could control the UN, the media, the NATO, the press... almost anything. Would anybody like to see our troops beeing dead and insulted via internet pictures, named as "terrorists" or "assholes" or else? Hmmm don't think so.
You can ask the 2,000+ Iraqis killed this month by Insurgent attacks and kidnappings/excutions who they think are the Terrorists and who are the Occupiers.
Most members on this site (including myself) picture them as the Enemy and will be addressed accordingly to their own opinion.
The limits of my respect end when you directly attack the innocent and those who declare themselves as non-combatants(this goes for Coalition forces who act in a way unbecoming of a Soldier)
The statement about him wearing Body Armor is a reasonable one for most insurgent fighters are not capable of funding themselves to that level, nothing of the sort was mentioned about them making themselves easier for us to kill. A peace is made by most Insurgents on becoming a Martyr and for some it is almost a goal, so it is not unreasonable to question why an Islamic fighter would wear Body Armor.
The image of member of Islam dying for his beliefs is embraced by many in their culture where as with us we view it in a negative manner

The message i am trying to convey is that the appreciations and values between are various cultures are far from similar.

[Nick_Karatzides]

My personal comments:
I believe that this picture should be followed with a warning or NSFW notice. Yes, he is an Iraqi "terrorist" (who is the one who decides who IS the terrorist and who IS NOT?). Yes, is supposed to be the "enemy" but after all he is a soldier believing on something while fighting and willing to die for a purpose - Just like ANY soldier. He is a human with a father & mother, a wife & children waiting for him to come back home, relatives etc and his dead body (according my moral ethics) should NOT be insulted like this way.
Why NOT wearing a bodyarmor? Why it is so strange? After all, he's involved into a combat zone soldier and he's doing his best to protect himself, just like ANY soldier would do! So, what we really expect from the "enemy"? To throw their rifles, loose their armor & give us a clear target? Who would do such thing while fighting into a combat zone?
ANYBODY could get ANYTHING on internet, including the most expensive and effective body or head armor you can get. It simply depends by the following factor: How much are you willing to pay for your personal life insurance?
Yes, war is a dirty thing that makes human's worst anger & hate come on surface, but please imagine a world that Iraqis could control the UN, the media, the NATO, the press... almost anything. Would anybody like to see our troops beeing dead and insulted via internet pictures, named as "terrorists" or "assholes" or else? Hmmm don't think so.


You can ask the 2,000+ Iraqis killed this month by Insurgent attacks and kidnappings/excutions who they think are the Terrorists and who are the Occupiers. Most members on this site (including myself) picture them as the Enemy and will be addressed accordingly to their own opinion. The limits of my respect end when you directly attack the innocent and those who declare themselves as non-combatants (this goes for Coalition forces who act in a way unbecoming of a Soldier). The statement about him wearing Body Armor is a reasonable one for most insurgent fighters are not capable of funding themselves to that level, nothing of the sort was mentioned about them making themselves easier for us to kill. A peace is made by most Insurgents on becoming a Martyr and for some it is almost a goal, so it is not unreasonable to question why an Islamic fighter would wear Body Armor.

The image of member of Islam dying for his beliefs is embraced by many in their culture where as with us we view it in a negative manner. The message i am trying to convey is that the appreciations and values between are various cultures are far from similar.My good friend AUDIEM249 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=6904),

Believe it or not, I had the exact same ideas when I was about your age. After nearly 15 years of service into Hellenic Armed forces and LE, I've learned to respect the enemy (whoever he is) as equal. Believe me I consider Iraqis as enemies because that's my country police and NATO interests, so I count on this. But, I would NEVER treat a dead enemy, a dead opponent in a way that I wouldn't like others to treat on my cold dead body. My point is that I'll give my blood and die if I had to for my country's interests and freedom, but I'll always keep in mind that the enemy has family too, an interest in his life and he's fighting for his own purposes. Yes, I know that the values between Western world and Iraqis are too far away, but I cannot do anything about it - so, I'll do my best to terminate them but NOT humiliate their dead bodies!

Naming somebody as a terrorist might become a trap. Who is the terrorist and who is the occupier (as you said). Don't forget that the strong, the winner, the superior makes the rules and ofcourse writes the History after the smoke is gone down. Imagine this: According to the British forces in America, George Wasignhton's army should be named as terrorists. By the same way, according to the Turks occupiers, the Greek rebels should be named as terrorist too when they fought for Greece's liberation and of course according to the German Nazis, the Polish resistance warriors should be named as terrorists too. Right? I'm trying to say that we do not need to fight - we are into the same side. Our difference is that I respect my enemy as an equal trained soldier, part of his army, carrying his own culture and believes. The point is that we all trying to do our best, overcome his combatability and finaly pursuate his to give up and surrender or terminate him by all means.

A good soldier is not only a perfect nowdays CQB fighter, but a "knight" too. Not trying to be romantic into the heat of the battle - as said before, the war is a dirty thing that makes human's worst anger & hate come on surface. I'll never believe that both armies involved into a conflict will remain human. No! I'm trying to say that by the time the enemy is terminated, it's over! No need to play with his bones.

As a final, I'll remind you a picture - a horible picture. We ALL have seen on TV and remember those Blackwaters operators (ex-US Navy SEALs) burned beyond any recognition dead bodies & hanged up from the bridge. Iraqis kept spiting or pissing on their dead burned bodies and beat them with sticks, like they were still alive. That was one of the worst things for a soldier to suffer... even if he's already dead - RIP to them. Would you like to do the same thing on a dead enemy like these stupid Iraqis did? Hell no! Not me. I'm a knight and I'll try to stay a knight.

[Sloppy Joe2]

My good friend AUDIEM249 (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/member.php?u=6904),

Believe it or not, I had the exact same ideas when I was about your age. After nearly 15 years of service into Hellenic Armed forces and LE, I've learned to respect the enemy (whoever he is) as equal. Believe me I consider Iraqis as enemies because that's my country police and NATO interests, so I count on this. But, I would NEVER treat a dead enemy, a dead opponent in a way that I wouldn't like others to treat on my cold dead body. My point is that I'll give my blood and die if I had to for my country's interests and freedom, but I'll always keep in mind that the enemy has family too, an interest in his life and he's fighting for his own purposes. Yes, I know that the values between Western world and Iraqis are too far away, but I cannot do anything about it - so, I'll do my best to terminate them but NOT humiliate their dead bodies!

Naming somebody as a terrorist might become a trap. Who is the terrorist and who is the occupier (as you said). Don't forget that the strong, the winner, the superior makes the rules and ofcourse writes the History after the smoke is gone down. Imagine this: According to the British forces in America, George Wasignhton's army should be named as terrorists. By the same way, according to the Turks occupiers, the Greek rebels should be named as terrorist too when they fought for Greece's liberation and of course according to the German Nazis, the Polish resistance warriors should be named as terrorists too. Right? I'm trying to say that we do not need to fight - we are into the same side. Our difference is that I respect my enemy as an equal trained soldier, part of his army, carrying his own culture and believes. The point is that we all trying to do our best, overcome his combatability and finaly pursuate his to give up and surrender or terminate him by all means.

A good soldier is not only a perfect nowdays CQB fighter, but a "knight" too. Not trying to be romantic into the heat of the battle - as said before, the war is a dirty thing that makes human's worst anger & hate come on surface. I'll never believe that both armies involved into a conflict will remain human. No! I'm trying to say that by the time the enemy is terminated, it's over! No need to play with his bones.

As a final, I'll remind you a picture - a horible picture. We ALL have seen on TV and remember those Blackwaters operators (ex-US Navy SEALs) burned beyond any recognition dead bodies & hanged up from the bridge. Iraqis kept spiting or pissing on their dead burned bodies and beat them with sticks, like they were still alive. That was one of the worst things for a soldier to suffer... even if he's already dead - RIP to them. Would you like to do the same thing on a dead enemy like these stupid Iraqis did? Hell no! Not me. I'm a knight and I'll try to stay a knight. what you have said is very respectable and would like to think of myself as having the same values, i believe i took your previous statement out of context.

I am as well a Man who respect the dead and wish to leave those who are as they are. i have many friends who have told stories and taken photos of the dead that were less than appropiate and I frown upon their actions. Chivalry is as much of a virtue of being soldier as is the ability to kill and i try to live by that.

You also make an interesting point on who is seen as the enemy through the eyes of history, but i stick by my opinion when i call the Insurgents "Terrorists". The insurgency has been using indirect methods by attacking the civilian population in order for the people to put pressure on Coalition forces to withdraw,which they believe will end the attacks on themselves. It is wrong and immoral to use innocent people as a political weapon and that is a definition of Terrorism.

I apoligizing for taking what you said out of context and feel i was bringing my frusturations with those who critize the war with what I see as unjust opinion into our conversation. :)

[demotivater]

Wow that asshole is wearing bodyarmor
It didn't help.


It is just that you/we/who ever, should take care that they aren't offending someone.
Do you happen to work for the German opera company?