Dogs of War: A Militaryphotos.net Coup

[Hellfish]

I think you'll find this interesting.

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As you coul see, embassys and goverment buildings (including treasury) are in very near areas, and cover on the north by the coast. You should take control of presidential area-embassys-goverment area

Just like another "Green Zone".

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3488/newgreenzonefr6.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgreenzonefr6.jpg)

Outstanding. I think the Governmental section would be pretty easy to isolate and cut off.

[Loopster]

I think the Governmental section would be pretty easy to isolate and cut off.

Exactly, Obiang is a paranoic who believes that he's avoiding coup attempts all the time (hahahahaa), so there's no military forces near Malabo, just the security of the palace, praetorian guard of moroccans and bodyguards. And forgot about local police, they're not too much efective because of the "malamba" (local wine). Also, presidential palace is over a hill, so its a perfect zone to make a fortress and easy to defend from a land attack.

If you take control of the roads of airport-military base, Malabo-Luba, and the "Green Zone", Malabo is completly yours. But you also need teams to take control of Basillé communication stations and Luba Freeport. And of course Annobon.

[Thunder]

Population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population) - July 2005 est. 504,000Half a million? You could take over the country with two sticks and a firecracker. Do they even have an army?

[wamp]

Great maps Loopster, Im afraid after exactly three hours of searching on google I could not find anything near that detailed.

Regarding the HVTs, behind the Presidential palace are three helo pads seen on loopster's map and Hellfish's sat image and here....

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5664/137my6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My thinking of when the SHTF HVTs will go for helo pads or the airport to get off the island.

What was decided regarding the Hinds located on the mainland?
They are appx 237km or 147miles from Malabo

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Would we need C4 to blow those bridges to restrict reinforcements-or is that cutting off our nose in spite of the face? I.e. going too far.

[Ironsight06]

The landing craft is $300,00USD and the coaster is $500,000USD.
Deploy this from the ship:
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=997&Overide=1

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Deploy this from the ship:
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=997&Overide=1


For what purpose?

[Loopster]

Im afraid after exactly three hours of searching on google I could not find anything near that detailed.

I dind't use Google to find them ;)

About the spots...

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8030/malabohelipuertocomplejopresidencialposibleblackbeachat7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9307/malabohelipuertoenelcomplejopresidencialtv8.jpg

And the presidential complex.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5314/complejopresidencialmedidasmg6.jpg

Also interisting is this place to attack and seize the airport.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2360/malaboembarcaderoalnortedelaeropuerto1pt8.jpg

Credits for the pics and distances to my friend KS

[Ironsight06]

For what purpose?
To get the vehicles and other equipment from ship to shore. Should be easy to pulled by smaller boats. Would save the costs of a landing ship.

[Belial]

Would we need C4 to blow those bridges to restrict reinforcements-or is that cutting off our nose in spite of the face? I.e. going too far.

Going too far.
The reinforcements the army could oppose could normally be stopped through more conventional means, without destroying unnecessarily the local infrastructure, as anything of value that will be destroyed will have to be repaired, putting a dent in the nation's cash reserves, your paycheck and the perception of the locals.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

To get the vehicles and other equipment from ship to shore. Should be easy to pulled by smaller boats. Would save the costs of a landing ship.

Oh, I see now. You've got a point but it comes down to the old 'speed vs safety' argument.

I don't want to muck around cross loading vehicles at the port or anywhere else. I want to hit the beach running with all of my forces concentrated and ready to go.

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.

[Ravage]

If I'm not mistaken, Executive Outcoms was the company that provided the menpower, hardware etc.
Or am I wrong here....

[Ironsight06]

Oh, I see now. You've got a point but it comes down to the old 'speed vs safety' argument.

I don't want to muck around cross loading vehicles at the port or anywhere else. I want to hit the beach running with all of my forces concentrated and ready to go.

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.
True but the costs of that may run up high. Just let the zodiacs and assault boats attack first and as soon as the LZ is secured the pontoons can be towed in. It would work I reckon.

[Belial]

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.

Yup, better not linger around when breaching international laws, I think a frenchie and a kiwi can agree with that ;)

[Loopster]

An easy -and cheap- way to divert the enemy and protect your troops. Remotely operated hot-air ballons (or zeppelins) with stroboscopic lights and firecrackers, floating over and around the military and security forces bases.

After ten minutes they'll spent too much ammunittion against plastic and wires, and your troops have one less problem.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

An easy -and cheap- way to divert the enemy and protect your troops. Remotely operated hot-air ballons (or zeppelins) with stroboscopic lights and firecrackers, floating over and around the military and security forces bases.

After ten minutes they'll spent too much ammunittion against plastic and wires, and your troops have one less problem.


You would have to be sure they'd have been launched at just the right time so they didn't arrive too early and put the army on alert-or too late and not make any difference whatsoever. Personally I think it's too complicated.

[Belial]

Too complicated, time consuming and random. Weather would have even more impact on the planning and the go signal surely won't be given accordingly to the wind currents. I'm not a sea dog, but I'd imagine you could have some surprise wind-wise around a mountainous island in the atlantic.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

True but the costs of that may run up high. Just let the zodiacs and assault boats attack first and as soon as the LZ is secured the pontoons can be towed in. It would work I reckon.

But how time will that take? A fair bit I would say, at least enough for the pres guard to hit the panic button, stand to, call for reinforcements and deploy to meet the threat.

Too much warning. We're not here to fight street by street. Think limited objectives dealt with in the shortest time possible.

[Loopster]

Thats why it should be remotely operated, not autonomous. For example, when cutting the roads to Malabo and to the airport put to of those over two kilometers away from your troops' positions and attack the enemies coming with mortars. When acting against an ambush (or what appears to be an ambush) you react shooting to the coming fire, in this case the lights and sounds that came from the zeppelins.

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.

Over wind and meteorological factors. Bioko is one of the rainy places in the world!! So be ready to operate in bad weather conditions.

[Belial]

Ngati is spot on. Multiplying the ammount of objectives and targets will pose problematic as the scenario unfolds. You'll have to split your forces to cover them all in time, meaning that you'll lose some of the blunt strength needed for the shock. Bear in mind that we're talking about a 100 man effective there and that some will be needed to man the boats, the heavy weaponary needed to fed of the potential threats (such as the attack helicopters someone mentionned) and some of them (mostly locals) will surely be put out of combat by the guards.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Yup, better not lingering around when breaching international laws, I think a frenchie and a kiwi can agree with that ;)

p-)...........................

[Belial]

Thats why it should be remotely operated, not autonomous. For example, when cutting the roads to Malabo and to the airport put to of those over two kilometers away from your troops' positions and attack the enemies coming with mortars. When acting against an ambush (or what appears to be an ambush) you react shooting to the coming fire, in this case the lights and sounds that came from the zeppelins.

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.

Over wind and meteorological factors. Bioko is one of the rainy places in the world!! So be ready to operate in bad weather conditions.
If ammunition is that much of a concern, be sure to locate the stockpiles and caches beforehand to be able to take them and/or neutralise them. But this would add to the already long objectives list.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.



It's an interesting idea, but I really don't think they would expend all their ammo on a mysterious floating fire-cracker balloon. It wouldn't take more than 5 minutes for them to realize they weren't up against any real threat. Regardless of how poorly trained they might be.

[Belial]

It's an interesting idea, but I really don't think they would expend all their ammo on a mysterious floating fire-cracker balloon. It wouldn't take more than 5 minutes for them to realize they weren't up against any real threat. Regardless of how poorly trained they might be.

You're being pretty generous with five minutes.
Similar operations have been led in the past without such risky and possibly useless gimmicks. We are lucky to have the particular setting offered by Bioko. It is possible to get it done the good old way ;)

[SnakeBiteLeader]

You're being pretty generous with five minutes.
Similar operations have been led in the past without such risky and possibly useless gimmicks. We are lucky to have the particular setting offered by Bioko. It is possible to get it done the good old way ;)


I think you misuderstood me. I'm against the balloon idea.

[DeZzErX]

Do they still have it? I can't believe they'd hold on to it.




I believe the Pandurs were retrieved.

[Belial]

I think you misuderstood me. I'm against the balloon idea.
No, got that right, I was the one being unclear :) sorry about the misunderstanding

[SnakeBiteLeader]

No, got that right, I was the one being unclear :) sorry about the misunderstanding

Quite alright.

[G-2]

I will attempt to add my 2 cent worth but first I need 1 question answered.
What is the capability of our targets inteligence agency (counter insurgency operations unit).

[Loopster]

be sure to locate the stockpiles and caches beforehand to be able to take them and/or neutralise them. But this would add to the already long objectives list.

You're lucky, the main stockpiles are in the presidential complex ;)

You need to ensure the "Green Zone", for make this posible you need to control two tiny bridges inside Malabo, the road to the military base from the airport and the acces to Luba. After defeating Obiang and occupate the palace you have a max. time of 1 hour to ensure the urban area by taking this points.

Remember, is unnecesary to take control of TV and radio, just Mount Basillé station, which is "protected" for less than 20 soldiers.



Ok ok, nobody likes the idea of the air-distraction-device :( So, how you could stop the following forces coming from the south-airport base? (it's IMPOSSIBLE to find the name of guinean bases in internet)

[Hellfish]

Wait - where is the military base?

[Hellfish]

I will attempt to add my 2 cent worth but first I need 1 question answered.
What is the capability of our targets inteligence agency (counter insurgency operations unit).

Unknown. Probably a good HUMINT network, with monitoring of telephone land lines. They have a lot of money, but probably little talent to operate a comprehensive internal security network.

Ngati is spot on. Multiplying the ammount of objectives and targets will pose problematic as the scenario unfolds. You'll have to split your forces to cover them all in time, meaning that you'll lose some of the blunt strength needed for the shock. Bear in mind that we're talking about a 100 man effective there and that some will be needed to man the boats, the heavy weaponary needed to fed of the potential threats (such as the attack helicopters someone mentionned) and some of them (mostly locals) will surely be put out of combat by the guards.

Attack helos seem to be based on the mainland.

[Asheren]

Hmm this image its me or at end of pier where heliport is looks like there is a firing position or this might be just asphalt. Also not sure but it seems that there are two fuel tanks not far away from heli port blowing them up if they are fuel tanks could create solid amount of chaos and might make evac via chopper much more difficult.

Place some claymores or IED(cheaper more efficient option) at road. Even one could significantly slow them down cos they wouldn't be sure if there isn't more. Propably would also shake them a bit i don't think their morale is very high.

[Hellfish]

Hmm this image its me or at end of pier where heliport is looks like there is a firing position or this might be just asphalt. Also not sure but it seems that there are two fuel tanks not far away from heli port blowing them up if they are fuel tanks could create solid amount of chaos and might make evac via chopper much more difficult.

Place some claymores or IED(cheaper more efficient option) at road. Even one could significantly slow them down cos they wouldn't be sure if there isn't more. Propably would also shake them a bit i don't think their morale is very high.

They might be water tanks. Or one water, one diesel tank in case of a seige. You'd be able to maintain your generators and keep hydrated.

[Hellfish]

From Lonely Planet:

The discovery of oil in Equatorial Guinean waters transformed the political and social landscape of the country. However, it seemed to have made precious little difference to ordinary Equatorial Guineans. Little of the oil revenue is trickling down and President Obiang Nguema's dictatorship seems uninspired by the benefits of democratisation.

In 2001, eight political groups formed an opposition-in-exile in Spain (in 2003 the same group proclaimed itself a government-in-exile). Later that year, the President called on opposition groups to register at home, but in 2002 68 people were jailed for allegedly plotting a coup. Their confessions seemed to have been made under duress. Six months later, the President won the election unanimously. A coup attempt with the covert backing of interested parties in the UK and US was foiled in March 2004, leading to the deportation of many foreigners.


http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/destinations/africa/equatorial-guinea/essential?a=culture

[wamp]

Quick Logistical Post
Regarding Uniforms:

EQ soldiers wear either the standerd olive drab blouse and pants or this pattern which is isnt as ubiquitous as the olive drab on the island.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7507/bdflssbql1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Things to consider:
1. It is a night op
2. The botswana style camo semi resembles DPM in darkness, so that may rule out DPM.
3. EQ military pictures are rare, and since some training was provided by the US, then standerd woodland BDUs "might" be around.
Granted your not pulling this off with abunch of idiots, blue on blue shouldnt be to much of a problem. Your equipping 100 men with everything from bodyarmor?, weapons, etc. So nothing to highspeed that is not cost effective.
All Black?


Light Vehicles:
Gonna leave it up to my mates across the pond and down under to name the best Rovers for the job.
Site selling them:
http://www.milweb.net/index2.html

[Hellfish]

Food for thought. Anyone know where to get a D-30 firing pin and some 122mm rounds? ;)

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/cc1/

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Ok ok, nobody likes the idea of the air-distraction-device :(

At least you're thinking 'outside the box'. Maybe a little too far outside...p-)


So, how you could stop the following forces coming from the south-airport base? (it's IMPOSSIBLE to find the name of guinean bases in internet)

Put in a block/ambush in the vic of the airport. It'll kill two birds with one stone. Shut down the airport and disrupt and reinforcement attempt by main security force at the same time. It allows us economy of force for those tasks.

[Asheren]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

[Loopster]

At least you're thinking 'outside the box'. Maybe a little too far outside...

Keepin' unconventional dude ;)


To shutdown the airport the first step is to turn off the VOR and LM/F landing aids, after that put some tiny planes (private ones) over the runaways to block it (like the SEALs in Punta Patilla). A good intel job could put two helicopters waiting for the team to take some men to Basillé and let the ambush team in the road.

The menaces for the coup are just the army base of the south, the presidential guard and the FRR (Fuerza de Reacción Rápida/Quick Reaction Forces), who are the guinean troops trained by mercenaries. This troops are in presidential complex and a few of them guarding the goverment installations.

[Hellfish]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

Google Earth. :) It looks like heavy jungle on both sides.

[Hellfish]

Keepin' unconventional dude ;)


To shutdown the airport the first step is to turn off the VOR and LM/F landing aids, after that put some tiny planes (private ones) over the runaways to block it (like the SEALs in Punta Patilla). A good intel job could put two helicopters waiting for the team to take some men to Basillé and let the ambush team in the road.

It might be easier to just drive a truck out onto the runway, shoot out its tires and then leave. No need to manhaul aircraft out there.

The menaces for the coup are just the army base of the south, the presidential guard and the FRR (Fuerza de Reacción Rápida/Quick Reaction Forces), who are the guinean troops trained by mercenaries. This troops are in presidential complex and a few of them guarding the goverment installations.

If we go with Ngati's Mi-8 with rocket pods, we could wreck that camp pretty quickly. Otherwise, we have to conduct an ambush on the road or some other way of neutralizing the troops there.

[Asheren]

Then i would say landmines or IED. Even quite simple device would tear to shreds any unarmored vehicle(and had good chance aginst anything less armoured than apc)

[Ironsight06]

Food for thought. Anyone know where to get a D-30 firing pin and some 122mm rounds? ;)

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/cc1/
Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.

[Hellfish]

Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.

I was kidding.

[wamp]

With arty you could use it as a direct fire weapon, but with indirect fire your going to need trained arty men, and that is going to take away from your already small company of shooters. Then you have to weigh in weight of ammo etc. You also run the risk of collatoral damage on the civilian population, 122mm round falling on them is not a way to get them on your side.

[Loopster]

It might be easier to just drive a truck out onto the runway, shoot out its tires and then leave. No need to manhaul aircraft out there.

Yes, but what happens if you need to use the airport quickly? ;)


Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

This is the typical road in EG.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8442/inselbergmg3.jpg

A perfect place for Claymores, or the cheaper ones made in Zimbabwe.

Impossible to use artillery or big vehicles. Just civilian ones (if possible with armor) and a couple of chopers, Malabo is full of private air companies, you only need the pilots, stole the choppers!! :D Two good professionals working in Malabo for a month, preparing the area, controlling the choppers and taken reserves of fuel, ammo, water and food, and you only have to transport the "action team".

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

Once the first vehicle is taken out(Certain to be more than one in an reaction force) the rest of the troops will dismount and clear the area more than likely. One guy can't be expected to delay the probable forces that will be coming north up that road.

The plan for the MI-8 is to insert the airport assault team before conducting a rocket attack on the Presidential compound and guard barracks sycronised with the ground assault. Once that has been conducted the helo will be free to rearm(on the freighter) and move to support the airport team.

[Belial]

I personally would only use light 60mm mortars, possibly 81mm, but the 60mm can be found in compact enough formats to be affected to squad sized sub-groups among your base effectives. It would most likely be enough against the enemy forces.

-edit- about hellfish's post

[Asheren]

Once the first vehicle is taken out(Certain to be more than one in an reaction force) the rest of the troops will dismount and clear the area more than likely. One guy can't be expected to delay the probable forces that will be coming north up that road.

The plan for the MI-8 is to insert the airport assault team before conducting a rocket attack on the Presidential compound and guard barracks sycronised with the ground assault. Once that has been conducted the helo will be free to rearm(on the freighter) and move to support the airport team.

Place multiple ones on road side detoneate first one to knock out leading vehicle then in short delay detonate rest from rear to front. Place some claymores on both road sides remaining troops will most propably rush for cover right in to them. Place some also one or two charges befre in front and in line on both side(making T shaped something). With some luck they would be to shocked to even think about doing anything for quite some time. When they do well another line of mines is just waiting to discurage them. One man might be not enough but i think around 4-5.(1 MG 1 RPG plus few rounds for it would be more than enough.)

[Straker]

What a fascinating thread, I wonder if the dear president has an email address to which a link for this thread could be sent?

Thats assuming of course that he hasn't seen it already, I'm guessing he is paranoid enough and his security good enough to have people looking for such things.

Pity EO got "disbanded" would have made an interesting job for them.

[Belial]

Place multiple ones on road side detoneate first one to knock out leading vehicle then in short delay detonate rest from rear to front. Place some claymores on both road sides remaining troops will most propably rush for cover right in to them. Place some also one or two charges befre in front and in line on both side(making T shaped something). With some luck they would be to shocked to even think about doing anything for quite some time. When they do well another line of mines is just waiting to discurage them. One man might be not enough but i think around 4-5.(1 MG 1 RPG plus few rounds for it would be more than enough.)
What do you mean by "some" and "multiple ones"? Do you think that a 4-5 man team maning a machine gun AND a RPG, having to carry the ammo for those AND the explosives, hastily rushing to that point would have the time to set up a minefield akin what you can find on the fino-russian border ?


-edit- and such a disposition would require men trained on specialised weapons and explosives manipulation, meaning skilled "white"(occidental training and military background) people, and you can't afford to put trained vital "framing" elements in that kind of risks.
There are also a lot of things that could go wrong with things that go boom, especially in numbers and along a road (How much circulation is there on it btw ?).

[Asheren]

Well i think around 4-6 AFP IED each around 4 kg(not sure about weight cos never made any) Those things can offer quite big punch with relative small weight. Considering covering range of claymores i would say than around 30 would be enough. With one guy carring light mg one carring rpg you still have three guys that can carry explosives. I would see main problem with claymores cos IED can be made in a way point and click.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Outside the Morroccan guards, Gabonians, etc. most of the Guinean army guys are going to be locals- sons, brothers, friends, etc.
If you inflict too many casualties on the military, this might not sit well with the public and lead to further complications. I suppose if you had to, it could be portrayed as being "blue on blue", but I just don't think it would sit well with the general populace to have a boatload of casualties and nothing to blame but the coup.
Just a thought, any feedback?

[Loopster]

About the people and the Army...

In Bioko and the islands (remember, Annobon is the "powerful" oily area) around 80% of the people are from Bubi tribe. The goverment, and 90% of military and police forces are from Fang tribe, who take control of the country after decolonization of Equatorial Guinea from Spain and take the Bubis (and other tribes like Playeros) like slaves.

If you kill military or police of Malabo the people will try to stole their weapons or kick their asses, not to mourn them ;)

In ethnics and tribe questions the solution is easy, avoid Rio Muni, they're Fangs, and very braves against occupers.

[Col. Psycho]

Hello guys, my first post. :)

I signed on to actually partake in this thread. Its interesting to see what the fellas have to say. I am in no way affiliated with any military group and thus i plan this on my own knowledge and personal ideas.

Okay, for equipment:

People are stating that a T55 is going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is not the case. the following websites actually sell ex-military vehicles at reasonable prices. you can purchase old IFVs, tanks, etc etc for a couple of thousand pounds (sterling.)

this website lists an 432 APC for sale at around £4,500.
http://www.rrservices.co.uk/list.htm

it also lists other vehicles that may be of use. the Stalwarts could be used in a logistics setting after the main force has moved in and taken over.

more examples are here:

A T72 Tank (3 available):
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/T72/T72.htm

BMP-1 IFVs, (2 available):
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/BMP1/BMP1.htm

the point im trying to make, is that if i could purchase these vehicles for those prices in the UK, then im pretty sure we could pickup the same sort of vehicles for the same sort of prices anywhere else.

Personally, i'd purchase the BMPs, (both of them) and 2 x T72. I'd fit them with makeshift wirecage armor to defeat RPGs and similar AT weapons. Purchasing working armaments on the black market isnt going to cost too much and thus i could retrofit them with suitable weapons. Im certain (within reason) that the purchasing and modification of those vehicles wouldnt amount to more than $200 000. and WHAM! you already have a formidable attacking force.

The BMP's can be used to stage a beach landing (they are amphibious.) and would have soldiers in them, to dismount and capture crucial points once they have landed.

Whilst the BMP's are landing, i'd have several small explosions go off around the city to cause as much confusion as possible. Whilst this is going on, a small team of SF type soldiers (a section should do it.) would have been inserted already and would be standing by to storm the presidential palace the moment the confusion is unleashed.

i'd look for either Royal Marine Commandos or SAS boys to do the job. they might cost a bit more but they'd be worth it. anyway, they would either capture or kill the president and any other important targets within the palace. They cant stick around long and so they'd be on the move to the next target on the list, which would probably be military / political leaders of importance.

I'd also look into hiring some ex South African recce operators and maybe members of Koevoet or the Special Task Force. They'd form the staple of the crack-troops storming the city. Infact, during those 6 months, i'd leave them to find and select the 50 local people for training and train them up to a decent standard.

i'll carry on when im not so tired. excuse any screwups, as i mentioned i am tired and need to hit the sack. i'll go into detail regarding other plans ASAP.

:)

[Hellfish]

All those vehicles are demilled, meaning their guns don't work. So you'd have to buy them, find functional weapons and fire control systems, have people trained on all of them, maintain them, find ammunition for them. On top of that, there's no way to easily transport them or export them from the country you purchase them in, nevermind unloading them under fire.

In other words, excessively impractical and more trouble than they're worth, especially since the EGs don't have any armor themselves.

[Col. Psycho]

All those vehicles are demilled, meaning their guns don't work. So you'd have to buy them, find functional weapons and fire control systems, have people trained on all of them, maintain them, find ammunition for them. On top of that, there's no way to easily transport them or export them from the country you purchase them in, nevermind unloading them under fire.

In other words, excessively impractical and more trouble than they're worth, especially since the EGs don't have any armor themselves.


uhm, dude.

All Gun ports are fully functional, Gun has been deacticated by welding the breech, but the Autoloader and Main Ammo storage racks are complete.

basically, i'd have to sort out the breech and the relative parts can be purchased, on the blackmarket, in africa, and then i'd have them fitted, which isnt going to cost much. Also, it states that all electronics and radio equipment come with the vehicle and so im willing to bet that optics are included. If not, several poor african countries will be glad to sell off thier own BMPs, especially since most of them probably arent looked after anymore.

people purchase vehicles from the UK and have them shipped to the US, and for that matter, it happens all over europe too. i'd be using one of those cargo ships everyone else has been ranting about so its not like i couldnt transport the vehicles...

and sure, the EG's might not have working armor. But if you show up with armor you obviously mean business, and it is handy to be able to call up on armored support if major firefights have to break open. so its perfectly viable.

edit again:

a picture of the optics included in the BMPs that are for sale:
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/BMP1/BMP1_for_sale_web6GunSights.jpg

[wamp]

The whole thing is going by KISS though "Keep It Simple Stupid", were in and were out. No need to overstay a welcome. The armor would be good if you were gonna stick around for restabilizaiton but we plan on being in a non extradtion country by then. Armor brings in to many factors with the added need of transportation and crews. Dont get me wrong, its a cool idea and all opinions and ideas are welcome. But it just wouldnt work with this venture.

[Col. Psycho]

im not sure what is so unfeasable about bringing in a pair of IFVs. if anything, its a bonus for firepower. sure, KISS is key here, but what isnt simple about it? its a major operation, and this means some things are going to be complicated. Purchasing and rearming a pair of IFVs within a $500 000 budget is perfectly acceptable, and perfectly possible on the black market.

besides, they provide the best ways to land on the beaches and move into the capital, becuase you have the firepower on demand and your troops are protected when they land. and when its all over, they can go back to the ship, or be scuttled out at sea to get rid of any evidence.

there are veterans of the bushwars who are trained in operating soviet equipment, and they can be hired to train crews and help with maintenance. i reckon marching on there with some decent armored support is better than pulling off some fancy stunts with a helicopter, like so many others have suggested...

but hey, if you guys dont like the ideas, thats your problem. i'm sticking to it.

[Ezekiel25:17]

It's logistics. How are you going to quickly unloaded from a cargo ship? Jeeps and Land rovers will be mobile gun platforms.

[Hellfish]

im not sure what is so unfeasable about bringing in a pair of IFVs. if anything, its a bonus for firepower. sure, KISS is key here, but what isnt simple about it? its a major operation, and this means some things are going to be complicated. Purchasing and rearming a pair of IFVs within a $500 000 budget is perfectly acceptable, and perfectly possible on the black market.

besides, they provide the best ways to land on the beaches and move into the capital, becuase you have the firepower on demand and your troops are protected when they land. and when its all over, they can go back to the ship, or be scuttled out at sea to get rid of any evidence.

there are veterans of the bushwars who are trained in operating soviet equipment, and they can be hired to train crews and help with maintenance. i reckon marching on there with some decent armored support is better than pulling off some fancy stunts with a helicopter, like so many others have suggested...

but hey, if you guys dont like the ideas, thats your problem. i'm sticking to it.

What if the seas are rough? These are designed for crossing slow rivers, not oceans? What if you drop one into the ocean and you realize that your drain plugs don't work and you start taking on water? Are you willing to risk 8-11 men drowning? What if you lose one of them to a lucky RPG? What if one of them breaks down? What if you throw a track? What if there isn't a suitable beach?

Armored vehicles have been discussed and largely rejected. Too many people are looking at where AFVs are being sold and its too easy to track where they are going and where they have been. Just getting them out of the UK would be a massive hassle, nevermind then having to go to the African black market and finding someone with a 73mm breach that they're willing to give up, plus sufficient quantities of ammunition. What if one of the people you approach works for a French spy agency or for the CIA? What if word gets out that a bunch of people are looking for BMP ammo and parts? Guess who is going to start looking into things?

Then there's operator level maintenance. Then depot-level maintenance. What happens if you get it on ship and then the vehicle gets seawater in the engine during rough seas? Who is gonna fix all that? What if the transmission gets fouled up?

Its well beyond the realm of KISS and creates more headaches than solves problems.

[Demigod-17]

Jeeps and land rovers? what sorts? Defender pickup could prove invaluble.

[Kersh]

I would absolutely love to see what happens when somebody from the President's security detail find this.

[Flagg]

I would absolutely love to see what happens when somebody from the President's security detail find this.

I can see the milphotos.net Wikipedia entry:

And in late 2006, the popular Militaryphotos.net internet forum was implicated in a planned coup against Equatorial Guinea resulting in the first international incident resulting from the interweb. Coincidentally, a significant number of forum members held their first annual Militaryphotos.net Operation Equitorial Guinea Freedom Kablamalooza Festival in an undisclosed location. Confidential sources believe the location is neighbouring Cameroon. When reached for comment Militaryphotos.net spokesman Hellfish6 said,"Hello?!? Is this thing on, hello?!? OK...Standby! Standby! GO! GO! GO!"

[James]

Maybe we should get Toyota Hilux trucks instead of Defenders for the regular gun trucks. I'd also consider using a pair of them (unarmed) for cargo; beans, bullets and band aids.
Fire support (if neccessary) could be a pair of unimogs with Dushkas and a 60mm mortar.

Regarding the HVTs - are we going to try and capture them and turn them over to the new gov't? Or eliminate them? I think this makes a significant difference in the way we will deal with them and their locations when the operation begins.

My apologies if this was already covered.

[James]

Again, this might have been covered already...

How is success defined for this operation?

In the first post it said that annual military expenditures are only $3 million. Perhaps we should explore the possibility of simply bribing the heads of the military and police to take no action when we want to roll; cuts down on the number of objectives we need to deal with and leaves intact forces in place for the new gov't.

[Loopster]

This is a good idea James, but Obiang's security team also thought about that ;)

For example, the only big army unit (a reinforced company) near Malabo are 100% Fang, and also relatives of Obiang and security forces, the "non trusted" army forces are all in mainlad to watch about an attack from Gabon's armed forces. So, if you pay the military leaders to help you and they move to Malabo (without too much ammo or fuel) the security forces inmediately will take Obiang and flew him to USA or Cape Verde, that's what Obiang allways do if he suspects about a coup, fly to USA to take care of the CIA or to Paris with the DGSE guys. Again, to pay them not to react against the coup will be detected, Obiang's security are so well in this kind of HUMINT.

If you want to have success you need to eliminate (and destroy the corpses) all the circle of power of Obiang, take control of the HVT like Malabo goverment area (the "Green Zone"), Basillé sat station, Annobbon island and Luba Freeport. In one week you should be able to restore all the production of oil and the pays to the people who's still working.

The best plan for me is to have a couple of choppers and a dozen of Unimogs/Land Rovers/some kind of jeeps waiting for you in Malabo Airport; make an assault landing in the airport, seize it, block the road to the military base and move a team to Basillé and another to Palace Complex at the same time with the choppers, the Rovers/Unimogs have to go to the embassys and Treausury, block the access to "Green Zone" and reinforce the Palace team.

In the following months all the imported cars have to pay taxes and to take an inspection in Malabo area, so it's a good moment to put all your vehicles in the same place whitout being suspicious.

Also, put some covert areas full of ammo, fuel, some kind of hospital,... hide in the residential area of Abayak (between airport and embassys area) to resupply if necessary and to lighten your logistics in the D-day.

Forget to use local hospitals, the only one who's doctors are good ones is located in Bata, and the doctors are cubans ;)

[Hydro]

Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.



Artillery would be a pain in the arse to use. With limited numbers of men, crewing the guns would cause manpower shortages. Its heavy and immobile, the ammunition would require dedicated support vehicles. You'd have to consolidate a firebase, which requires defending. So far from what I've read this will be a highly mobile op, with light vehicles as mobile fire support at the most. Use mortars, 60mm - 81mm...all can be man packed with the ammunition - and brought in and out of action quickly. RPG's are good enough for the DF role.


With the limited manpower available on this op, you wouldn't want to concentrate a valuable dismount section in a BMP that is vulnerable to RPG's. There are way too many variables associated with operating armour to make it worthwhile on this op.

[Ironsight06]

Use mortars, 60mm - 81mm...all can be man packed with the ammunition - and brought in and out of action quickly.
Mortars are also considered artillery. Would go for one set of 120mm mortars though. Easy to operate and transport and gives a ****load of firepower.

[Minardiau]

What about the neigbouring countries?

How will they act with a coup in a country next to them? Africa has a history of nations sending in the troops to either support the coup or help the government in power defeat the coup.

Personally the best bet would be to bribe the government for a small area of the country in which you run the show and in return you will provide a paramilitary force to enable the government to remain in power.

And live like kings

[James]

Personally the best bet would be to bribe the government for a small area of the country in which you run the show and in return you will provide a paramilitary force to enable the government to remain in power.

And live like kings

Interesting... we remove the old government and then guarantee the security of the new one by managing the future security force...

Who ever would've thought that Min would make a contribution in such a thread!

[Minardiau]

What I mean't was.

Any coup attempt in this region of Africa is going to be very hard to pull off. A neigbour is more then likely going to get involved and resulting civil war is going to bloody. And no matter how good our little band of 100 men is. Facing a few thousend fully armed enemy troops with possible air support it going to be well...impossible.

The safest bet if you wish to establish your own little kingdom for your merry men would be to bribe the current government. No bloodshed. The locals wouldn't really care until the next commie tribal chief wants power.

Also bare in mind such a group of men would no doubt be on the FBI's most wanted list probably along with Russia's security agencies due to the type of men such a group would attract.

I think merely surviving would be more important then actually trying to grab power in some Banana Republic. Conslidate what you have. Train the locals. Using the obvious education and skills such a group would have would if the government would allow it would do much more to achieve this aim.

After about say 10 years once the locals are trained up. The kids are receiving western style education and the economy is booming because of the local arms industry and drug smuggling then make your move. The local population would be behind you 100% due to the improvements made to their standard of living.

Hell you probably could gain power by winning an election under such a scheme. Why use violance if their are other more suitable means that would lessen the chance of foreign intervention?

[Col. Psycho]

:|

okay, i still stand by the BMP's as possibilities. but, i'll put that on the shelf for now.

regarding my troops:

As i mentioned earlier, i'd most likely hire a 50-50 ratio of international to local soldiers for the op. The international side would consist of ex-SAS / RMC / Green Jackets from Britain. this would be around 24 individuals. The other 26 would include South African STF / Recce / Koevoet / 32BN operators. These would be the guys, along with the Royal Green Jackets, responsible for the mainstream work, with the SAS / RMC being in charge of special operations.

For the local force, i'd leave a mixed group of Recce, Koevoet and RMC to select and train local boys who they deem most capable for the operations. Sort of "it takes one to know one" type of thing. I'd suggest a minimum of 3 months training but preferably 4 months, depending on how soon they can recruit the 50 guys to do the work. I'd say that we should do most of the training on land, but for the last month before the op the training can be conducted on one of those ships, if needs be.

Special Forces:

The SF Contingent would consist of 2 x 2man sniper teams, 1 x 2man medic team, 1 x 2man dedicated MG unit. the last 8 would be regular operators, who would conduct the actual attack on the politicians and military leaders, with either sniper or MG support where needed. there are 8 more SF guys who will be used for other operations, i.e saboteur teams which will combat the military and damage government defensive infrastructure.

Regular Mercs:

the 26 other guys would consist of the following: 2 medics, 4 pilots / vehicle specialists. (guys who can drive anything with wheels, and some things without, ie helicopters and planes.)

the remaining 20, would work like this: 12 guys, in charge of the local mercs, 1 guy to 4 locals. that means 48 locals being commanded by 12 Mercs = 60 man force. they would run in 6 x 10man sections. alternatively, each section can break into 2 x 5man fireteams, allowing for 20 smaller teams to control areas. however some of these fireteams will provide Mortar support, others will provide AT support on the side.

each fireteam would have a medic,
a SAW gunner, a grenadier and 2 regular guys, who would carry spare ammo.

a Mortar team will contain 1 x 82mm mortar, 1 medic, 1 x SAW Gunner, and 3 mortar operators, who would carry around ammunition.

an AT team would have 2 x RPG gunners, and 1 guy carrying extra ammunition, 1 x Medic, and 1 x SAW gunner.

Alot of firepower, but its handy in desperate situations. i'll cover munitions further on.

the remaining 2 locals would be trained as specialists to work alongside the medics or pilots/vehicle specialists, for support, depending on where they'd be needed.

Local Merc Training:

the local mercs (the guys from EG) would recieve a broad spectrum of training concerning medical skills, weapons handling (including heavy weapons) and soldiers skills, and also building clearing / CQB skills. A sort of "jack of all trades, master of none" except, they will be trained in a specific area according to where they are needed on top of thier broad training. That happens in the last month of training, where they are split into groups (i.e medic, MG, grenadiers, etc etc) and trained in these groups.

Munitions:

each merc operator will be armed with an FN FAL Para (50.63). Machine Gunners will operate FN Mags. the SF merc personnel will have a choice of weapons within reason, but the choice is based on what they need for the job. I'd prefer everyone to go with 7.62x51mm to keep the ammunition type uniform. Grenadiers will operate a genade-launcher, i.e underslung grenade launcher OR rifle-grenades OR M79 style launchers, depending on whats available. Snipers can use any sniper rifle they are suited to, depending on availability and practicality. However rifles should stay in the lower-caliber range, i.e 7.62, etc.. there isnt a need for .50 rifles. We would obtain several 82mm mortars. Several RPG-7 launchers would be purchased along with ammunition.

Worst case scenario i'd settle for ex-combloc weapons for the small arms, i.e PKMs and AK pattern rifles.

Also, all of the non-local mercs will carry sidearms. gear would be basic, just assault vest / LBVs, surplus cammies, kevlar helmet and level 2 bodyarmor. anything else they want they can provide themselves.

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i'll carry on later on, i have to go somewhere now. before you start criticising, i havent actually finished off what im saying and there are holes in my plan here and there, which i will finish off another time.

[Hydro]

Weapons wise, it'd make sense to use weapons that are in use with local forces. Ammunition can be restocked from local armouries.

[Belial]

Weapons wise, it'd make sense to use weapons that are in use with local forces. Ammunition can be restocked from local armouries.

Ditto, also bear in mind that the official languages of Equatorial Guinea are spanish and french. Your operatives have to be if not proefficient in those languages, at least operationnal with the rudiments.

To Psycho :
Protective clothing is not a must, remember that it's a hitfist operation and the money spent on helmets and body armor could be better spent on other expenses and the additional weight of those will be additional weight on your freighter, on the zodiacs, and on the back of your guys. The weapons used shall be of the same caliber as the ones used by the governmentals. RPG 7's should be part of the gear, but don't forget disposables such as the RPG18 or the LAW72, peppered among the ranks to gap potential holes in the organisation due to casualties. SAW's such as RPK's (which could be used as DMS's) should be widespread too.
60mm mortars would do it for most of the fire support needed and would allow for a faster transport of the arty assets among more or less fully equipped squads. Sidearms are not a must and shall be brought/found along with their ammo by the guys themselves if they want one.

As for training, I see the locals mostly as cannon fodder or second line troops, especially seeing how you won't have the time to change them into war masters in the short preparation period you'll be given. Train them as groups/squads. No need to give them a broad training especially seeing how your training facilities will be close to non-existant and you'd have to find the people to train the locals first and then a training ground and get all that people in that place.

I'd have to give more thought into the organisation of the overall effectives. But I don't really see the need for "special forces" as most of the duties could be done by normal infantry squads. You might want a special divide between "shock troops" and light infantry though. Also bear in mind that finding actual retired occidental SF members willing to go put their asses on the line in such a risky venture isn't as easy as it sounds, finding the "white" operatives is a pretty long and ingrate process yet it's very important. This requires a lot of connections among particular social networks and the use of personnal acquaintances to end up with a pretty solid bunch of guys.

[Col. Psycho]

agreed on those subjects. i suppose several of the operators being hired would have to speak either french or spanish then. im pretty sure some of the SAS / RMC officers would speak a bit of french/spanish, as to be an officer in the british armed forces (to attend officer school) you are required to know one foreign european language iirc. these guys can teach everyone else the basics, and with the other 50 local boys, they can also help with teaching the operators the language whilst they are being taught the skills by the operators.

as i mentioned, i'd go for combloc weapons if needs be it, but im pretty confident in packing enough ammunition to take with. i'll keep it in mind though. :)

[James]

i'll carry on later on, i have to go somewhere now. before you start criticising, i havent actually finished off what im saying and there are holes in my plan here and there, which i will finish off another time.

Er, what plan? You've come up with a TO&E (sort of). Maybe you should make your plan first and tailor your units to accomplish the mission.

[Belial]

Er, what plan? You've come up with a TO&E (sort of). Maybe you should make your plan first and tailor your units to accomplish the mission.

Listen to the man Col. Psycho ;)

It's quite tempting to elaborate the TOE as there are no real liabilities and it's just a forum thread thoug :p.

Some might say that you may have to elaborate your plan depending on your TOE(assets availability dictating tactical decisions).

[Col. Psycho]

yeah i didnt realise i hadnt put my plan down, i know what i want to do hence why i have planned out the troops, i just hadnt put the plan down yet.

i was thinking of an assault on the capital city, with troops landing via Zodiac (since everyone seems to think IFVs wont work) early sunday morning. the SF dettachement assigned with sorting out the president. With sniper support in place, would assault the compound as silently as possible. the snipers would be armed with supressed rifles to keep the noise as down as possible. the SF team would either capture or kill the president.

Simultaneously the mortar teams would have setup around the key installations to start bombardment. the Saboteur team would be 4 SF soldiers being directly supported by one of the regular fireteams. they would destroy as much as possible before getting out, with mortar teams starting up the moment the saboteur teams give them the thumbs up. I would concentrate on taking out any military garrisons before they could react, by using my troops to setup ambushes around any military compounds. This, coupled with the shelling from the mortar squads should ensure the military garrison craps themselves into submission, or gets wiped out.

Also, a lesser imporant task would be securing the Mi-24's that someone mentioned were on the island. I'd send in half of the saboteur team to try and take control OR destroy the aircraft. If possible, pilots may steal the aircraft for our own usage.

okay, so so far:

SF section used up.
SF Sniper team used up
medics would be on standby.
2 x mortar fireteams used up.
2 x regular fireteams used as ambush units.
1 x regular fireteam to support saboteurs on Mi-24 mission.
SF saboteur section split and used both ways.


The idea, is to destory as much of the military on the island as possible, whilst simultaneously wiping out the leadership, or at least the president. Once this has been achieved, a helicopter can start ferrying any other troops, equipment and logistics from the ship to the island, to further cement the control.

im concentrating on the island moreso than the mainland for now, i'll review and edit my plans later.

[Loopster]

Lil' intel mistake, the place marked as "Residencia Presidencial" really is the city hospital, it's name is Loeri Nombé.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6508/malaboportun4.jpg

By the way, the soldiers' favorite place in capital is Candy, american style music (mainly rap), phone number: (+240) 920 93

What about to prepare the op by renting a building with a big garden in Abayak or "Parque de Naciones" zone?, it's only 10 minutes away from airport and you can store lots of ammo and supplies during op. preparation. Also you can control the movement besides embassys and goverment districts.


Any other intel info that you need?, ah!, I'm native spanish speaker and have very good guineans friends from oposition living in Spain let the intel for me, but only if you pay so fine ;)

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Lil' intel mistake, the place marked as "Residencia Presidencial" really is the city hospital, it's name is Loeri Nombé.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6508/malaboportun4.jpg

By the way, the soldiers' favorite place in capital is Candy, american style music (mainly rap), phone number: (+240) 920 93

What about to prepare the op by renting a building with a big garden in Abayak or "Parque de Naciones" zone?, it's only 10 minutes away from airport and you can store lots of ammo and supplies during op. preparation. Also you can control the movement besides embassys and goverment districts.


Any other intel info that you need?, ah!, I'm native spanish speaker and have very good guineans friends from oposition living in Spain let the intel for me, but only if you pay so fine ;)

Your friends know this is basically a game, right? p-)
Outstanding intel, however. Keep it up.

[Ezekiel25:17]

I agree with James. Hilux/Tacomas will be a good idea but paper trails will be hard to cover up. Hey might use my 350 from work. hehe

[Hellfish]

Which building is actually the presidential palace?

[Ezekiel25:17]

Which building is actually the presidential palace?


"Residencia Predensia"

[SnakeBiteLeader]

What sorts of defense measures/fortifications are in place around the presidential compound? I'm assuming there will be a fair amount of barbed wire, etc. But what about motion detectors, mines, etc.?
Anybody know some specifics?

[JesperAFCA]

I love this topic :) I'm looking forward to all the big plans :)

[Loopster]

Your friends know this is basically a game, right?

Of course they know!, hahaha, after the failed attempt in 2004 and the retreat of "president Moto" from Spain to Croatia, I highly doubt they wanna be involved right know ;)

Outstanding intel, however. Keep it up.

Thanks again, perhaps this will be interesting for Hellfish6...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9380/formpnet1ms7.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2619/formpnet2lt7.jpg
What appears in GoogleEarth has Residencia Presidencial is the local hospital, not the palace.

About perimetric defense... unknown, and hard to known until deployment of HUMINT team, is prohibited to take any pics of this area, and even if you didn't make any pic, police will take your camera. But if you can take control of the helispots behind palace complex and ensure the little road to palace... just knock the door off!

[goat89]

Helispots eh? Nice....Would be good just in case the Op goes bad we can butt out.

[Ezekiel25:17]

Helispots eh? Nice....Would be good just in case the Op goes bad we can butt out.

No. So the HVT can't escape.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

No. So the HVT can't escape.

But perhaps it could also be a handy route to transport HVTs to the ship for detention/insurance/ransom etc.

[Hellfish]

I think the HVTs ought to be dead.

[Ezekiel25:17]

But perhaps it could also be a handy route to transport HVTs to the ship for detention/insurance/ransom etc.


They will be shot while "resisting" arrest.

[G-2]

Does the crew requirement for vechicles eat into the total personnel allowed or are they counted as seperate.

[Hellfish]

Eats into the total.

[G-2]

Oh and by the way, what is our equipment access, Can we buy anything once we have the money or is there kit restrictions (if this has already been answered please direct moi to the page).:)

[Kersh]

I do believe it's been established that equipment needs to be attainable and practical. In other words, you can't get three M-1 Abrams to storm through the city. You need kit and vehicles that not only accomplish the mission, but are logistically sound.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Oh and by the way, what is our equipment access, Can we buy anything once we have the money or is there kit restrictions (if this has already been answered please direct moi to the page).:)

Just refer back to the original post. It's spelled out fairly well for you there.

[Demigod-17]

right, its in most peoples plan to have a cargo ship and a Mi-8, use the chopper to drop 4-8 snipers in surrounding rooftops, pickup vehicles could be mobile mortar bases,

how hard would 81mm mortars be to find? i've seen a few Deac's for 800-1K each, not sure what would be needed to make them active again.

what sniper rifles would be available? ex-soviet rifles? firing 7.62x54R? Dragunov?

would we need Armour and Helmets? 100 would cost 15-20K..

[Col. Psycho]

what about chartering a plane to fly over the island for some guys to get in via HALO, and once they are in place, they can launch the first wave of attacks whilst Zodiacs carrying the rest of the troops land at key points on the island.

question, since everyone thinks it would be so damn hard to get my IFVs onto the beach from the ship, how the hell do you plan on getting your little landy's and the like onto the island? and dont tell me you plan on buying several on the island and sorting them out on the island because surely someone would notice something...

also, the whole "seawater in engine" thing, if thats such a big case, what about the rest of the equipment on the ship? the IFVs would be covered up and protected from the elements before the landing, whereas a helicopter can run the risk of getting doused in wet weather conditions at sea and this might cause it to ****out as well.

bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on and im told that purchasing a pair of IFVs to utilise in a beach assault and for heavy security is so damn unreasonable. :|

[Hellfish]

I never said I wanted helos. ;)

[Hydro]

I think I shall watch the Wild Geese and The Dark of the Sun to get a proper handle on the complications of using Mercenaries ;)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

right, its in most peoples plan to have a cargo ship and a Mi-8, ..


No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.

bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on

I plan to use choppers. I am not everyone. Use whatever you want but don't dump on my plan cause someone dumped on yours.

If you really want me to focuss my attention on the strengths and weaknesses of your plan I'll be more than happy to.

You, on the other hand, might not.

[California Joe]

Did you quit drinking lately or something? Smoking? Masturbating?

[Hydro]

Even using a chopper won't necessarily be THAT problematic. IIRC an Mi-8T needs one man - the pilot. The firepower afforded by 6 57mm rocket pods might just be worth it from a force multiplier perspective to make the risks worthwhile.

[Flagg]

Of course they know!, hahaha, after the failed attempt in 2004 and the retreat of "president Moto" from Spain to Croatia, I highly doubt they wanna be involved right know ;)



Thanks again, perhaps this will be interesting for Hellfish6...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9380/formpnet1ms7.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2619/formpnet2lt7.jpg
What appears in GoogleEarth has Residencia Presidencial is the local hospital, not the palace.

About perimetric defense... unknown, and hard to known until deployment of HUMINT team, is prohibited to take any pics of this area, and even if you didn't make any pic, police will take your camera. But if you can take control of the helispots behind palace complex and ensure the little road to palace... just knock the door off!


If it were possible to ascertain the IA drills of the Presidential CP team(like a helicopter extraction if the compound comes under attack), maybe just do a sneaky sneaky and daisy chain a half dozen claymores there.....then put on a dog and pony fireworks display...funnel the president's extraction to the Helo pad.....then go clickety clack with the clacker!

[Hydro]

If you were sneaky beaky enough to get in and stick claymores down, it might be worth sticking a short term ambush in, whack the president and his CP team as they extract to the LS, and possibly use that element as part of an attack on the Presidential compound, get in from more than one angle.

[Hellfish]

Could you drop off firecrackers from a car near the Palacio area and watch what happens?

[Flagg]

I'd like to know what Ngati's going to use his two airmobile Quad bikes and trailers for...stripped down SFMG/Mortar/AT teams?

I'm starting to think a single plane might be useful.

Doesn't have to be pretty or expensive, just needs a LOT of endurance....say 6-12 hours.

I'm thinking maybe low budget airborne command and control.

Comms gear, maybe some SIGINT kit, a pair of portable TI sights.

You'd probably be somewhat safe from any potential MANPADS threat until first light.

Plus you could quickly and easily drop distraction devices as part of your deception operations plan.

[Loopster]

Select and collect a team of 40 mercenaries with a good knowledge of spanish and about ten guineans in Spain (they're too much working as boxers or doormen in discos), some of them if possible with military background from Legion or Infanteria de Marina.

Buy weapons in Cameroon, which type? I don't know, make suggestions please :D

Rent a big house in Abayak Complex (Malabo) and send a team of three men and five guineans to collect HUMINT and prepare the supplies of ammo and fuel, also for prepare a little hospital and command post, place CCTV cameras in critical areas like the bridges inside the capital or the acces to military bases. This team have to rent two medium helicopters from private companies (Malabo is full of them, for example to Bell Rangers) and buy or rent a dozen Unimogs/Rover to be prepared in the airport. Forget the pilots, just have to take two or three with your team and take the control

Send the assault team to Cameroon and make a jump (renting or seizing a small plane) to Malabo airport, where the HUMINT team and some of the guineans were be waiting with the jeeps and choppers. Take the airport, deactivate the LOR and put planes in the middle of the runaway. Send the choppers with one team each to Basillé and Palace, they have to arrive at the same time to make it perfect; the rest of the assault team will divide, a vehicle to put charges/Claymores in the road from airport-military base, another to keep in the airport and serve as reserve to the team in the south road; all the other vehicles go to palace complex and assault it to make the cover for chopper team.

Kill everybody in the palace, the guineans will recognize the Bubis from the Fangs without problems, so not let nobody survive your attack. After control the palace take control of the Green Zone, and prepare to control the crowds, also take care of the security services from the embassys, don't kill them! ;)

Start calling the military leaders of the country, offer them money and to keep in their places.

Make a big party for MP.net in Malabo.

Send the rights of the film to 21thCentury Fox.

[Hydro]

I'd like to know what Ngati's going to use his two airmobile Quad bikes and trailers for...stripped down SFMG/Mortar/AT teams



Could be useful...in the case of mortars, the quads would be damn useful to get them deployed and set up quick as you like. 81's and some kind of SF capability would be handy to get some bombs and long range MG fire down on the Morroccan Barracks to discourage reinforcements getting down to the LS when you hit the President when he tries to escape.

[Hellfish]

Quads would be very useful for schlepping ammo around - mortars or for SF machineguns, and for zipping any wounded guys out quickly.

[Demigod-17]

No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.


ok, sorry mate. not slating the idea at all, i like it. i still dont have a plan, just odds and ends.

[Kersh]

what about chartering a plane to fly over the island for some guys to get in via HALO, and once they are in place, they can launch the first wave of attacks whilst Zodiacs carrying the rest of the troops land at key points on the island.

question, since everyone thinks it would be so damn hard to get my IFVs onto the beach from the ship, how the hell do you plan on getting your little landy's and the like onto the island? and dont tell me you plan on buying several on the island and sorting them out on the island because surely someone would notice something...

also, the whole "seawater in engine" thing, if thats such a big case, what about the rest of the equipment on the ship? the IFVs would be covered up and protected from the elements before the landing, whereas a helicopter can run the risk of getting doused in wet weather conditions at sea and this might cause it to ****out as well.

bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on and im told that purchasing a pair of IFVs to utilise in a beach assault and for heavy security is so damn unreasonable. :|

Take a deep breath. Relax. If you want to buy and supply IFVs, feel free. It's your plan.

Just a bit of advice, IFVs, without proper aerial and ground support, can be driving coffins in a densely populated urban setting. Not only are they loud, out of place, and easy to spot, if someone knows their **** they can destroy/disable them pretty quickly. Then you'll tie up a good bit of your ground troops in support of these IFVs.

[Hellfish]

I'm devil's advocate. If you really want IFVs, go for it. But you'd better do a good job of convincing me it's possible.

[F-14D]

:|

okay, i still stand by the BMP's as possibilities. but, i'll put that on the shelf for now.

regarding my troops:

As i mentioned earlier, i'd most likely hire a 50-50 ratio of international to local soldiers for the op. The international side would consist of ex-SAS / RMC / Green Jackets from Britain. this would be around 24 individuals. The other 26 would include South African STF / Recce / Koevoet / 32BN operators. These would be the guys, along with the Royal Green Jackets, responsible for the mainstream work, with the SAS / RMC being in charge of special operations.

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Im not quite shore but i remeber reading or seeing in the News somewhere the South Africans now have to get permission from government before taking part in foreign wars.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Did you quit drinking lately or something? Smoking? Masturbating?

Worse. They me put behind a desk.

[California Joe]

That would explain it. You have my condolences.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

It's only last's till tommorrow. Then I'm up at Mansfield racetrack for the rest of the week doing advanced driver training in a V8. Bout time, I'm sick of running other peoples ****.

Gonna have some cooool pics by friday.

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Im not quite shore but i remeber reading or seeing in the News somewhere the South Africans now have to get permission from government before taking part in foreign wars.

It's true. Legislation was inacted to prevent any further adventuring on the part of PMCs like Executive Outcomes. The law doesn't come right out and say any of that, though.

[Flagg]

It's only last's till tommorrow. Then I'm up at Mansfield racetrack for the rest of the week doing advanced driver training in a V8. Bout time, I'm sick of running other peoples ****.

Gonna have some cooool pics by friday.

You are hereby required to share racetrack photos under penalty of demerit points ;)

[501 Scout]

Does any one know how often all the HVT's meet and or when there Parlament meets?

[Chops]

Personnel- ex Commonwealth- infantry b/g- South Africans being the majority with Brits, Aussies and Kiwis bringing up the numbers.

OOB- one platoon of 100% TCNs- three rifle sections and a weapons section. Nine grunts per section- section ldr and two fireteams of four.

Two platoons of indigs- led by TCN advisers- each section ldr and platoon OCs to be TCNs. Indig platoons do not feature weapons sections.

One reinforced (six man) fireteam of TCNs as QRF (these should be SA Recces, UK Paras, AUS 3RAR etc)- heavy ratio of RPKs and PKMs and any available BG15/GP30 underbarrel GLs.

One Spanish speaking TCN terp attached to each platoon inclu indig platoons- preferably former US Civil Affairs/THT.

One Spanish speaking TCN CA/PsyOps team, again pref former US- 3-4 man team is sufficient.

One small combat medical team inclu surgeon to be based on freighter.

One small HUMINT team for OPB (2-3 operators)- covert insertion as oil workers/tourists for intel prep and eyes on target locations. Former SF or equiv would be ideal.

Contractor crew for Mi8s and poss captured Mi24s.

Kit- ex Warsaw Pact stuff- AKs in 7.62 short, two RPKs at section level, PKMs at platoon- say three two man gun groups which can be attached ad hoc to the rifle sections. RPG7s- integral in sections- one per fireteam. Fireteam would look like; 2x AK, 1x RPK, 1x RPG (with personal AK). One of the riflemen can act as AG on the RPK if needed.

All issued Soviet RDG grenades- two frag per man and one smoke marking.
60mm inf mortars- say three to be held in the weapons section along with the PKMs.

CBA- Western Class IV IBAs or equiv if avail. If not, former Soviet armour if available, otherwise just PASGT helmets. Chicom chest webbing, OD BDUs.

Comms- at section level with commercial Motorola MBITR equivilants for TCN sections and for TCN advisers in indig sections. PHQ for both TCN and indig platoons has PRC/Clansman or similar. All section and platoon leaders issued with both Iridium sat phones and local net mobile phones.

Vehicle platforms- civ 4WDs- Hiluxs/Tacomas/Landies. One gun truck per platoon. If available- mounts with AGS-17 AGLs and DShK 12.7s. If crew served unavailable, jury rig PKMs and RPKs.

One 4WD to be outfitted with loudspeakers as CA/PsyOps platform.

One unarmed 4WD per platoon as casevac platform and resupply vehicle.

All 4WDs to be brought ashore on barge from freighter.

Two Mi8 helos based from African registered freighter off coast of capital. PKMs mounted as doorguns, 57mm pods if available. SA contractor crewed. Helos will act as insertion platforms initially and then as QRF, casevac and CA/PsyOps leaflet dropper.

Objectives

1. Install new puppet leader (selected from opposition/exile community and vetted by Foreign Office/State)

2. Control security on island until relieved by Gabon and Cameroon 'peacekeepers' and 'friendly' local military elements

3. Introduction of NGOs, WMF and USAID to support population and assist in running new government

Ops Plan

1. Secure secluded beachhead in south of main island. Mi8s to launch from moored freighter. 4WD vehicles and indig forces to be brought ashore by barge towed by freighter. One indig section to maintain security at beachhead.

2. Seize local military HQ compound with TCN platoon inserted by Mi8 which then flies to beachhead to pick up indig platoon. Second Mi8 carrying TCN QRF to provide ad hoc close air with doorguns/57mil pods.

Any French or TCN mil advisers to be targeted and killed as a priority. If barracks can be identified, it receives the first gun run from the Mi8 followed up by section attack to clear any remnants. CA/PsyOps team offer surrender conditions to local mil through megaphones/speakers mounted on helos.

Once cleared, TCN platoon stay emplaced until relieved by indig platoon inserted by returning Mi8. One TCN section will remain to organise 'friendly' turned locals as security/police force. Hard currency to be paid immediately to turned locals and issued distinguishing items (blue caps or whatnot);

If Mi24s serviceable, contractor pilots fly CAP/loitering CAS over city. TCN platoon accompanied by QRF Mi8 then fly to the Palace compound.

3. Seize Presidential Palace compound with TCN platoon inserted by Mi8 helo (second Mi8 carrying TCN QRF to provide ad hoc close air)- once cleared hold until indig platoon drives from beachhead in 4WDs and are emplaced to provide security and police local area. TCN platoon take 4WD vehicles to move to tertiary targets, accompanied by CA/PsyOps element.

4. Parliament and 'downtown' government buildings

5. Radio/TV/telephone/mobile facilities

6. Airport

7. Any remaining HVTs- rolling mounted raids to arrest/kill targets- home/business addresses supplied to HUMINT IPB team.

At each tertiary target, indig sections will be brought forward by Mi8 or 4WD from either mil HQ or Pres Palace to secure once cleared by TCN platoon.

Member of CA/PsyOps element to be deployed at each comms node to initiate 'liberation message by local military/opposition party' and broadcast 'immediate curfew' and pre prepared propaganda transmissions- TV tape and SMS. Propaganda to include promises to restore electricity grids, improve education, lower taxes, yadda yadda yadda.

CA terps to act as liasions at each target loc- they will be carrying USDs in hard currency to oil the wheels of local gov/mil officials.

HVTs- will be captured for public trial and poss execution.

Follow On Force- Gabon and Cameroon 'peacekeeper' contingent to be invited to assist after capital seized and helo'd in to the Airport once under control. They will provide day to day security until new government/pol/mil is formed.

Timing/conditions- operation will be launched when Obiang is travelling overseas for treatment of terminal prostate cancer.

Just my initial thoughts.... p-) Need to look next at the follow on op of taking the mainland where the Uncle is based...

[goat89]

About the contractor crews for the Mi-8s....heard there a few Ukrainian guys in A-stan transporting supplies for the US Army. Not sure though. But worth checking it out.

[Hellfish]

Excellent plan, Chops. If I may:

1. How would you go about obtaining, staging and transporting Mi-8s? Where would you aquire rocket pods from? How would you conceal/launch them from the freighter (i.e. how would you go about looking unsuspicious with helo pads?)

2. Why hit the president after hitting HQ? And, on top of that, give him the opportunity to escape because you haven't secured the airfield yet. Likewise with the TV/Radio/telephone installation - I'd think you'd be giving everyone and their mother ample opportunity to talk to each other before the raid hits them personally. Maybe I'm just confused about the timings? By my estimation, the airport won't be taken until probably a good 45 minutes after the balloon goes up.

3. Why not hit when Obiang is in the country?

4. Are you gonna give Gabon/Cameroon advance notice of your attack?

I may have more questions in the morning. Getting late here.

[Chops]

Hi mate

Pick holes please- I already see three or four myself which cannot be fixed w/o additional manpower.

I answer to your queries;

1. Helos would be transported openly lashed to the deck on the freighter/cargo ship- sail out of any West African port and there's not many questions asked. Cover story could be NGO work in Sierra Leone or similar. Helos could be hires or purchased off open market- they're reasonably widely available in Africa for the right dollar.

Pods- if we're getting small arms for a hundred guy, 57mm pods isn't too much of a stretch..p-) Plan still works w/o pods as the Mi8s would use PKs in the doors.

Launch would be stright off flat deck- no pads required.

2. President after mil HQ as the only effective response will be the French trained grunts. Take out their advisers and buy/turn the locals. No point taking the Presidential compound first if it'll end in a siege.

Plus Prez is not home when we launch. 2IC will be in residence and he gets a rude surprise.

Airport? Not mil from sat images so low on priority list. Not a huge loss if some HVTs get away. Job is to depose regime and embed puppet after all. I also think we can count on some confusion generated. Once mil HQ is secured you've effectively severed the gov-mil comms node. HVTs won't know what's going on at least for the first hour or two.

Civ comms nodes? Number four on target list simply down to manpower. Once again, in the general confusion, I think we'd have an hour or two to play with before anything other than SWAG appeared. By then my CA/PO people would be playing their preprepared audio and video and sending SMSs to advise folks of a peaceful liberation and to stay in their homes.

3. I'm following in the great tradition of coup planners- witness the recent Thai business. Fact is, guy's not liked either locally or internationally so he's not going to get any effective backing for some time. Angola just isn't a threat. Yeah he may start a counter coup attempt from a comfortable apartment in Paris whilst in exile but that's not what I'm getting paid to consider... :).

4. Nope no advance notice- a formal cable will be sent once the Presidential Palace falls, inviting them to support the new fledgling government and to discuss those pesky disputed territories... p-)

Finally hopefully the Uncle could be bought off in advance and thus provide the planners with a lot more troop strength in which case most of the target list would be hit near simultaneously.

cheers

C

[Masai]

Find the A-Team, and send them in with Mcguyver and Chuck Norris.

No Seriously, I think Chops has a good idea, But point 5 must be sooner, I would go for the Media before i go after the Pres and the HVT's, That way you can do damage to his reputation and start winning the population's support before the first shot is fired. Disable the cellular network and start blaring out propaganda on the TV

Part of the Propaganda will be a lot of allegations that will convince the population that he will retaliate against you.

Then the gun battles will look like he started it, reinforcing your position as the "Good Guy"

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)

[Belial]

Don't forget the ethnic background of the country and most importantly of the island. One has to take that into account.

[Belial]

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)
The impression better be good then, and I doubt the indigenes part of your effectives will agree to do it. So you're left with a bunch of occidentals with black shoe wax on their faces. You could do the same trying to impersonnate the moroccans with tanned occidentals speaking(yelling) in dialectic arab.
But all in all it would be IMO a unnecessary diversion of human ressources.

[Masai]

I think i would be nessecary to strike some fear into the civilian population, that way they wouldnt support the current regime anymore.

[Loopster]

If the coup is focussed in Malabo you don't need to strike fear in the civilians, they're a majority of bubis, who hates the fang goverment. Probably if you put quickly a Temporary Governor and a City Mayor of bubi's tribe, all the people'll be quiet waitting for your moves.

But this is just possible if the coup is only in Bioko island and Annobon, if you try to seize the city of Bata be ready to insert at least a thousand mercenaries with you.

[Hellfish]

I think i would be nessecary to strike some fear into the civilian population, that way they wouldnt support the current regime anymore.

They already don't have any support.

[bluffcove]

Sorry to be a late entry on this.
I read the first few pages.

Can I have a quick overview of the current budget available forces and local allies?

this looks like fun!

[Hellfish]

Sorry to be a late entry on this.
I read the first few pages.

Can I have a quick overview of the current budget available forces and local allies?

this looks like fun!

Operation budget is $25 million. Available forces are 100 max, of which 50% must be indigs. Local allies - none, save for a handful of very oppressed political parties.

[bluffcove]

Likely opposition?
percentage of population supporting the present leader?
reasons for present leaders support?
back ground demographic of cross border tribalism?

I could go and dig this out - are we on an entirely fictitious scenario or will this be contemporary?

[Hellfish]

Likely opposition?
percentage of population supporting the present leader?
reasons for present leaders support?
back ground demographic of cross border tribalism?

I could go and dig this out - are we on an entirely fictitious scenario or will this be contemporary?

2400 soldiers, sailors, gendarmes and airmen for the whole country.

Minimal.

Tyrannical despot with oil money.

Unknown.

Contemporary.

[bluffcove]

Find a neighbouring country with a large shared tribal culture.
Instigate a genocide of the resident minority culture in Guinea.
Await fury from over the border. Assist the invasion and protection of the discriminated minority.

Hang around to provide security.
Offer to rebuild country, Maintain the armed forces pay them to control the border with the nation you just invaded via. Offer to put hte nation back on its feet, introduce oil water power roads. Accept backhanders for contracts job done!

will work out the nitty gritty later - maybe after the invasion im not sure!

[SnakeBiteLeader]

Find the A-Team, and send them in with Mcguyver and Chuck Norris.

No Seriously, I think Chops has a good idea, But point 5 must be sooner, I would go for the Media before i go after the Pres and the HVT's, That way you can do damage to his reputation and start winning the population's support before the first shot is fired. Disable the cellular network and start blaring out propaganda on the TV

Part of the Propaganda will be a lot of allegations that will convince the population that he will retaliate against you.

Then the gun battles will look like he started it, reinforcing your position as the "Good Guy"

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)

I agree that media centers should be secured before HVTs. It should at least least be third or fourth in line in order to effectively isolate the political leadership. Once Mil HQ is offline and reinforcement/rescue is disrupted, the next best option for HVTs is to appeal for public support.

[James]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

[Hellfish]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

I was thinking either that or somewhere like Malwai. A very different sent of tactical options to consider.

[Flagg]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

Oh hell yeah!

[Hellfish]

Tonight I'll post my plan for the coup... hopefully other people can start doing the same. :)

[Col. Psycho]

No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.



I plan to use choppers. I am not everyone. Use whatever you want but don't dump on my plan cause someone dumped on yours.

If you really want me to focuss my attention on the strengths and weaknesses of your plan I'll be more than happy to.

You, on the other hand, might not.


aww shame, did i hurt your feelings? im so damn sorry. :roll: get over yourself mate, i browsed over the thread and have seen numerous people talking about ships and the like, so dont start crying over it, okay? this is supposed to be a theorized battle plan. you think it worries me that some chairborne commando is going to look at my silly plan and tell me whats wrong with it? im shaking in my ****ing boots mate. go for it, if it makes you feel special, tell me whats wrong with my plan and call me an idiot, i could care less. get a life, this is the internet. go cry somewhere else. :roll:


now, back to the topic at hand:

I was thinking about this, and figured that maybe hiring some ex-French Foreign Legion / Spanish Foreign Legion guys might be perfect. They are well trained and speak the lingo, and i know for a fact that the FFL take part in alot of african related training / operations, taking care of french interests. Anyway, maybe hiring a couple of them would work nicely. IF i cant get any Southern African guys up, then maybe the FFL / SFL guys could fill in those positions.

Also, there are alot of ex-military russians and eastern european guys who are well trained who might be interested in taking part for a nice paycheck. There is always a choice of mercs in the world, and ex-spetsnaz boys are a force to be reckoned with. maybe a couple of them could even pilot the BMP's i want to use... :D

[Col. Psycho]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

give me a shout mate. im currently living in South Africa and i know alot of rather pissed off farmers from Zim, and I could probably get some local information on the place, if i try. :)

[bluffcove]

what is the actual aim?

to lead a ramshackle third world antion as their supreme leader or to pillage the cash from under them?

Military invasions are old news - glabalisation dude thats how you get money off darkies in the back of beyond that no-one cares about, you can do it all from a boardroom with a mobile phone, blood and dust are for losers!

[Hellfish]

what is the actual aim?

to lead a ramshackle third world antion as their supreme leader or to pillage the cash from under them?

Military invasions are old news - glabalisation dude thats how you get money off darkies in the back of beyond that no-one cares about, you can do it all from a boardroom with a mobile phone, blood and dust are for losers!

Read the first post. ;)

[bobbo]

Bobbo's great coup of Ecuatorial Guinea.

100 men devided into:
40 (15 locals) Armed security taken from my own friends. I will give these power and important roles after the coup.
40 (30 locals) Doctor and hospital people. will recruit and train other people to handle the antidote.
5 Military and political advicors to help me control the people.
5 Media Crew. Controlled by me, but should seem independent. Hopefully from a known newspaper etc. These would help me win the people, and if neccessary, people in other countries.
10 (5 locals) Recruiters. Should go around and spread my joyfull message of better times to come. They would get political and military (more soldiers) support for me.

25 mill split into:
100 Guns (300 000$ with ammo)
100 bulletproof vests, uniforms, equipment etc (200 000$)
10 Used Mi8's (10mill)
Antidotes (10mill)
The rest should go to fuel and other stuff.

I would buy most the stuff in africa, to ease the transortation. The rest I will throw on a huge freeking cargoship, possible hijacked by my men.

I would bribe some old soviet scientist to give me some virus that had 1-2 weeks incubation time (spelling?), and after half that time I would gather up voulantairs for the medical work. There's always people that wants to help.

First I would attack the army with my dreadful descease, but I would help them before they die. Let all the people that support the goverment die. I will say that it is a military experiment of the goverment gone wrong. Then I would attack the people. When people start dying from the discease, I would fly in with my choppers and start handing out antidotes in the major cities. My independent press people will spread the word that the goverment f**ked up real bad, and is the source of this outbreak.

Riots willl occour. My people will help the rioters, and gather political support. I will be presented as a guardian angel. When **** really hits the fan for the goverment, me, my friend and my supporters in their army will rush the goverment houses and take control. I will make a statement that I have taken control, everything is safe, and that things will be much better now.

I will spend alot of the tax money (and other income) on helping people where it really shows. That would give me huge support amongs them. I would act as a great person the first few years, and slowly but certain, I would take more and more control, and more and more of the money.

The 6 months of preparation would be used to test the virus, train the armed security forces and for my recruiters to prepare the people to raise against the goverment.

If some of the prices are low, I got the things cheap by making deals about alliances and support in the future.


Questions?

[bluffcove]

you'll kill off the weak.

Those that survive would be the fittest and the strongest and richest with access to healthcare.

[bluffcove]

The first post states the intent is to launch a Coup.

why are we launching a coup, do you just want infamy, power and a title, or do you want the cash?

[Hellfish]

This is getting retarded fast.

[bobbo]

Retarded how?

[wiking]

It's an interesting problem, and a fun theoretical discussion (so long as there's not a actual coup in Equatorial Guinea any time soon, we might all get looked at hard by the FBI and other law enforcements agencys then :) )



I've not done much research on it, or read the whole thread, but i've got one part of the mission ready. My advance team would move into the country posing as a scouting party from a movie company, looking for locations, making connections for extras and generally taking pics and shooting some film. This gives them reason to be just about anywhere and potentially gives them access to places and people that otherwise would be banned for them. Leaving a decent amount of money in diffrent hands and tills is also a good way of making friends.

And setting up logistical supply in country, housing and making allies\recruting locals can all be done under the cover of setting up shop to make a movie.

[bluffcove]

Engineering a virus to specifically target a genotype -

tin foil hat stuff.

[bluffcove]

I've not done much research on it, or read the whole thread, but i've got one part of the mission ready. My advance team would move into the country posing as a scouting party from a movie company, looking for locations, making connections for extras and generally taking pics and shooting some film. This gives them reason to be just about anywhere and potentially gives them access to places and people that otherwise would be banned for them. Leaving a decent amount of money in diffrent hands and tills is also a good way of making friends.

And setting up logistical supply in country, housing and making allies\recruting locals can all be done under the cover of setting up shop to make a movie.

Is anyone else thnking of the Extras part of BHD where you get told that the film crew had the largest military force in north Africa at the time. and one of the seals on set pointed out they had the expertise to take Morroco.

[Toddy]

This is getting retarded fast.

I go off the reservation for 3 days and look what happens, our coup breaks down to involving Finns, Speaking clingon, pink catsuits and monkfish....glad I wasn't part of the landing party :fork:

[Kersh]

Please, let's stay on topic. This is probably one of the best topics I have ever seen on this site, so don't f*ck it up.

[Toddy]

Please, let's stay on topic. This is probably one of the best topics I have ever seen on this site, so don't f*ck it up.

here here mate...pages 1 through 14 should give anyone interested in adding their thoughts an idea of the quality posts that were touched upon in the brain storming session last week.

[Chops]

I'm going to ban the next idiot who posts DH material in this thread. Take it as a strong warning. Read the briefing material begore posting and post intelligently- so bobbo and Col Psycho please refrain from posting your gibberish. Bluffcover- read the briefing materials before posting again.

And any of you who sends me a whiny PM I will instant ban.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Nice outline Chop's, looking forward to the finished product.

[Chops]

What do you mean 'outline'? I'm an Aussie that's as far as our planning goes... p-)

1. Turn up
2. Kill everyone
3. Get a brew on/sink a few tins
4. Marry some of the locals

[Toddy]

ANZAC diggers are the best fighting force in the world...point out where we go in and we go in :)

[Hellfish]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

What do you mean 'outline'? I'm an Aussie that's as far as our planning goes... p-)

But what about the details, such as Liquor stores, pubs, RSLs, rugby paddocks, fish and chip shops...

[Toddy]

But what about the details, such as Liquor stores, pubs, RSLs, rugby paddocks, fish and chip shops...

don't forget the TAB:roll:

[Toddy]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

Exactly tell us where to go and we go, regardless of the risk

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

Not our idea, not our fault.

[Ironsight06]

Just a question. Would it be possible to fire (120mm) mortars from the ship?

[Chops]

Theoretically possible I suppose. Really doubt your accuracy from any moving platform- even at anchor. And although I haven't looked at na