Dogs of War: A Militaryphotos.net Coup

[Hellfish]

I think you'll find this interesting.

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6964/jrtjnt0.th.jpg (http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jrtjnt0.jpg)http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/152/wermy0.th.jpg (http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wermy0.jpg)http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/7826/mapaciudadbz4.jpg

As you coul see, embassys and goverment buildings (including treasury) are in very near areas, and cover on the north by the coast. You should take control of presidential area-embassys-goverment area

Just like another "Green Zone".

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3488/newgreenzonefr6.th.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newgreenzonefr6.jpg)

Outstanding. I think the Governmental section would be pretty easy to isolate and cut off.

[Loopster]

I think the Governmental section would be pretty easy to isolate and cut off.

Exactly, Obiang is a paranoic who believes that he's avoiding coup attempts all the time (hahahahaa), so there's no military forces near Malabo, just the security of the palace, praetorian guard of moroccans and bodyguards. And forgot about local police, they're not too much efective because of the "malamba" (local wine). Also, presidential palace is over a hill, so its a perfect zone to make a fortress and easy to defend from a land attack.

If you take control of the roads of airport-military base, Malabo-Luba, and the "Green Zone", Malabo is completly yours. But you also need teams to take control of Basillé communication stations and Luba Freeport. And of course Annobon.

[Thunder]

Population (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population) - July 2005 est. 504,000Half a million? You could take over the country with two sticks and a firecracker. Do they even have an army?

[wamp]

Great maps Loopster, Im afraid after exactly three hours of searching on google I could not find anything near that detailed.

Regarding the HVTs, behind the Presidential palace are three helo pads seen on loopster's map and Hellfish's sat image and here....

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5664/137my6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My thinking of when the SHTF HVTs will go for helo pads or the airport to get off the island.

What was decided regarding the Hinds located on the mainland?
They are appx 237km or 147miles from Malabo

[SBL]

Would we need C4 to blow those bridges to restrict reinforcements-or is that cutting off our nose in spite of the face? I.e. going too far.

[Ironsight06]

The landing craft is $300,00USD and the coaster is $500,000USD.
Deploy this from the ship:
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=997&Overide=1

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Deploy this from the ship:
http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=997&Overide=1


For what purpose?

[Loopster]

Im afraid after exactly three hours of searching on google I could not find anything near that detailed.

I dind't use Google to find them ;)

About the spots...

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8030/malabohelipuertocomplejopresidencialposibleblackbeachat7.jpg
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/9307/malabohelipuertoenelcomplejopresidencialtv8.jpg

And the presidential complex.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5314/complejopresidencialmedidasmg6.jpg

Also interisting is this place to attack and seize the airport.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2360/malaboembarcaderoalnortedelaeropuerto1pt8.jpg

Credits for the pics and distances to my friend KS

[Ironsight06]

For what purpose?
To get the vehicles and other equipment from ship to shore. Should be easy to pulled by smaller boats. Would save the costs of a landing ship.

[Belial]

Would we need C4 to blow those bridges to restrict reinforcements-or is that cutting off our nose in spite of the face? I.e. going too far.

Going too far.
The reinforcements the army could oppose could normally be stopped through more conventional means, without destroying unnecessarily the local infrastructure, as anything of value that will be destroyed will have to be repaired, putting a dent in the nation's cash reserves, your paycheck and the perception of the locals.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

To get the vehicles and other equipment from ship to shore. Should be easy to pulled by smaller boats. Would save the costs of a landing ship.

Oh, I see now. You've got a point but it comes down to the old 'speed vs safety' argument.

I don't want to muck around cross loading vehicles at the port or anywhere else. I want to hit the beach running with all of my forces concentrated and ready to go.

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.

[Ravage]

If I'm not mistaken, Executive Outcoms was the company that provided the menpower, hardware etc.
Or am I wrong here....

[Ironsight06]

Oh, I see now. You've got a point but it comes down to the old 'speed vs safety' argument.

I don't want to muck around cross loading vehicles at the port or anywhere else. I want to hit the beach running with all of my forces concentrated and ready to go.

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.
True but the costs of that may run up high. Just let the zodiacs and assault boats attack first and as soon as the LZ is secured the pontoons can be towed in. It would work I reckon.

[Belial]

The keys to this will be speed, surprise, aggression and firepower.

Yup, better not linger around when breaching international laws, I think a frenchie and a kiwi can agree with that ;)

[Loopster]

An easy -and cheap- way to divert the enemy and protect your troops. Remotely operated hot-air ballons (or zeppelins) with stroboscopic lights and firecrackers, floating over and around the military and security forces bases.

After ten minutes they'll spent too much ammunittion against plastic and wires, and your troops have one less problem.

[SBL]

An easy -and cheap- way to divert the enemy and protect your troops. Remotely operated hot-air ballons (or zeppelins) with stroboscopic lights and firecrackers, floating over and around the military and security forces bases.

After ten minutes they'll spent too much ammunittion against plastic and wires, and your troops have one less problem.


You would have to be sure they'd have been launched at just the right time so they didn't arrive too early and put the army on alert-or too late and not make any difference whatsoever. Personally I think it's too complicated.

[Belial]

Too complicated, time consuming and random. Weather would have even more impact on the planning and the go signal surely won't be given accordingly to the wind currents. I'm not a sea dog, but I'd imagine you could have some surprise wind-wise around a mountainous island in the atlantic.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

True but the costs of that may run up high. Just let the zodiacs and assault boats attack first and as soon as the LZ is secured the pontoons can be towed in. It would work I reckon.

But how time will that take? A fair bit I would say, at least enough for the pres guard to hit the panic button, stand to, call for reinforcements and deploy to meet the threat.

Too much warning. We're not here to fight street by street. Think limited objectives dealt with in the shortest time possible.

[Loopster]

Thats why it should be remotely operated, not autonomous. For example, when cutting the roads to Malabo and to the airport put to of those over two kilometers away from your troops' positions and attack the enemies coming with mortars. When acting against an ambush (or what appears to be an ambush) you react shooting to the coming fire, in this case the lights and sounds that came from the zeppelins.

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.

Over wind and meteorological factors. Bioko is one of the rainy places in the world!! So be ready to operate in bad weather conditions.

[Belial]

Ngati is spot on. Multiplying the ammount of objectives and targets will pose problematic as the scenario unfolds. You'll have to split your forces to cover them all in time, meaning that you'll lose some of the blunt strength needed for the shock. Bear in mind that we're talking about a 100 man effective there and that some will be needed to man the boats, the heavy weaponary needed to fed of the potential threats (such as the attack helicopters someone mentionned) and some of them (mostly locals) will surely be put out of combat by the guards.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Yup, better not lingering around when breaching international laws, I think a frenchie and a kiwi can agree with that ;)

p-)...........................

[Belial]

Thats why it should be remotely operated, not autonomous. For example, when cutting the roads to Malabo and to the airport put to of those over two kilometers away from your troops' positions and attack the enemies coming with mortars. When acting against an ambush (or what appears to be an ambush) you react shooting to the coming fire, in this case the lights and sounds that came from the zeppelins.

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.

Over wind and meteorological factors. Bioko is one of the rainy places in the world!! So be ready to operate in bad weather conditions.
If ammunition is that much of a concern, be sure to locate the stockpiles and caches beforehand to be able to take them and/or neutralise them. But this would add to the already long objectives list.

[SBL]

The main problem for guinean troops and security forces are the ammunittion, they doesn't have too much because Obiang don't trust on them. Take out ammunittion and they're just guys with sticks.



It's an interesting idea, but I really don't think they would expend all their ammo on a mysterious floating fire-cracker balloon. It wouldn't take more than 5 minutes for them to realize they weren't up against any real threat. Regardless of how poorly trained they might be.

[Belial]

It's an interesting idea, but I really don't think they would expend all their ammo on a mysterious floating fire-cracker balloon. It wouldn't take more than 5 minutes for them to realize they weren't up against any real threat. Regardless of how poorly trained they might be.

You're being pretty generous with five minutes.
Similar operations have been led in the past without such risky and possibly useless gimmicks. We are lucky to have the particular setting offered by Bioko. It is possible to get it done the good old way ;)

[SBL]

You're being pretty generous with five minutes.
Similar operations have been led in the past without such risky and possibly useless gimmicks. We are lucky to have the particular setting offered by Bioko. It is possible to get it done the good old way ;)


I think you misuderstood me. I'm against the balloon idea.

[dez000]

Do they still have it? I can't believe they'd hold on to it.




I believe the Pandurs were retrieved.

[Belial]

I think you misuderstood me. I'm against the balloon idea.
No, got that right, I was the one being unclear :) sorry about the misunderstanding

[SBL]

No, got that right, I was the one being unclear :) sorry about the misunderstanding

Quite alright.

[G-2]

I will attempt to add my 2 cent worth but first I need 1 question answered.
What is the capability of our targets inteligence agency (counter insurgency operations unit).

[Loopster]

be sure to locate the stockpiles and caches beforehand to be able to take them and/or neutralise them. But this would add to the already long objectives list.

You're lucky, the main stockpiles are in the presidential complex ;)

You need to ensure the "Green Zone", for make this posible you need to control two tiny bridges inside Malabo, the road to the military base from the airport and the acces to Luba. After defeating Obiang and occupate the palace you have a max. time of 1 hour to ensure the urban area by taking this points.

Remember, is unnecesary to take control of TV and radio, just Mount Basillé station, which is "protected" for less than 20 soldiers.



Ok ok, nobody likes the idea of the air-distraction-device :( So, how you could stop the following forces coming from the south-airport base? (it's IMPOSSIBLE to find the name of guinean bases in internet)

[Hellfish]

Wait - where is the military base?

[Hellfish]

I will attempt to add my 2 cent worth but first I need 1 question answered.
What is the capability of our targets inteligence agency (counter insurgency operations unit).

Unknown. Probably a good HUMINT network, with monitoring of telephone land lines. They have a lot of money, but probably little talent to operate a comprehensive internal security network.


Ngati is spot on. Multiplying the ammount of objectives and targets will pose problematic as the scenario unfolds. You'll have to split your forces to cover them all in time, meaning that you'll lose some of the blunt strength needed for the shock. Bear in mind that we're talking about a 100 man effective there and that some will be needed to man the boats, the heavy weaponary needed to fed of the potential threats (such as the attack helicopters someone mentionned) and some of them (mostly locals) will surely be put out of combat by the guards.

Attack helos seem to be based on the mainland.

[Asheren]

Hmm this image its me or at end of pier where heliport is looks like there is a firing position or this might be just asphalt. Also not sure but it seems that there are two fuel tanks not far away from heli port blowing them up if they are fuel tanks could create solid amount of chaos and might make evac via chopper much more difficult.

Place some claymores or IED(cheaper more efficient option) at road. Even one could significantly slow them down cos they wouldn't be sure if there isn't more. Propably would also shake them a bit i don't think their morale is very high.

[Hellfish]

Hmm this image its me or at end of pier where heliport is looks like there is a firing position or this might be just asphalt. Also not sure but it seems that there are two fuel tanks not far away from heli port blowing them up if they are fuel tanks could create solid amount of chaos and might make evac via chopper much more difficult.

Place some claymores or IED(cheaper more efficient option) at road. Even one could significantly slow them down cos they wouldn't be sure if there isn't more. Propably would also shake them a bit i don't think their morale is very high.

They might be water tanks. Or one water, one diesel tank in case of a seige. You'd be able to maintain your generators and keep hydrated.

[Hellfish]

From Lonely Planet:


The discovery of oil in Equatorial Guinean waters transformed the political and social landscape of the country. However, it seemed to have made precious little difference to ordinary Equatorial Guineans. Little of the oil revenue is trickling down and President Obiang Nguema's dictatorship seems uninspired by the benefits of democratisation.

In 2001, eight political groups formed an opposition-in-exile in Spain (in 2003 the same group proclaimed itself a government-in-exile). Later that year, the President called on opposition groups to register at home, but in 2002 68 people were jailed for allegedly plotting a coup. Their confessions seemed to have been made under duress. Six months later, the President won the election unanimously. A coup attempt with the covert backing of interested parties in the UK and US was foiled in March 2004, leading to the deportation of many foreigners.


http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/destinations/africa/equatorial-guinea/essential?a=culture

[wamp]

Quick Logistical Post
Regarding Uniforms:

EQ soldiers wear either the standerd olive drab blouse and pants or this pattern which is isnt as ubiquitous as the olive drab on the island.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/7507/bdflssbql1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Things to consider:
1. It is a night op
2. The botswana style camo semi resembles DPM in darkness, so that may rule out DPM.
3. EQ military pictures are rare, and since some training was provided by the US, then standerd woodland BDUs "might" be around.
Granted your not pulling this off with abunch of idiots, blue on blue shouldnt be to much of a problem. Your equipping 100 men with everything from bodyarmor?, weapons, etc. So nothing to highspeed that is not cost effective.
All Black?


Light Vehicles:
Gonna leave it up to my mates across the pond and down under to name the best Rovers for the job.
Site selling them:
http://www.milweb.net/index2.html

[Hellfish]

Food for thought. Anyone know where to get a D-30 firing pin and some 122mm rounds? ;)

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/cc1/

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Ok ok, nobody likes the idea of the air-distraction-device :(

At least you're thinking 'outside the box'. Maybe a little too far outside...p-)



So, how you could stop the following forces coming from the south-airport base? (it's IMPOSSIBLE to find the name of guinean bases in internet)

Put in a block/ambush in the vic of the airport. It'll kill two birds with one stone. Shut down the airport and disrupt and reinforcement attempt by main security force at the same time. It allows us economy of force for those tasks.

[Asheren]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

[Loopster]

At least you're thinking 'outside the box'. Maybe a little too far outside...

Keepin' unconventional dude ;)


To shutdown the airport the first step is to turn off the VOR and LM/F landing aids, after that put some tiny planes (private ones) over the runaways to block it (like the SEALs in Punta Patilla). A good intel job could put two helicopters waiting for the team to take some men to Basillé and let the ambush team in the road.

The menaces for the coup are just the army base of the south, the presidential guard and the FRR (Fuerza de Reacción Rápida/Quick Reaction Forces), who are the guinean troops trained by mercenaries. This troops are in presidential complex and a few of them guarding the goverment installations.

[Hellfish]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

Google Earth. :) It looks like heavy jungle on both sides.

[Hellfish]

Keepin' unconventional dude ;)


To shutdown the airport the first step is to turn off the VOR and LM/F landing aids, after that put some tiny planes (private ones) over the runaways to block it (like the SEALs in Punta Patilla). A good intel job could put two helicopters waiting for the team to take some men to Basillé and let the ambush team in the road.

It might be easier to just drive a truck out onto the runway, shoot out its tires and then leave. No need to manhaul aircraft out there.


The menaces for the coup are just the army base of the south, the presidential guard and the FRR (Fuerza de Reacción Rápida/Quick Reaction Forces), who are the guinean troops trained by mercenaries. This troops are in presidential complex and a few of them guarding the goverment installations.

If we go with Ngati's Mi-8 with rocket pods, we could wreck that camp pretty quickly. Otherwise, we have to conduct an ambush on the road or some other way of neutralizing the troops there.

[Asheren]

Then i would say landmines or IED. Even quite simple device would tear to shreds any unarmored vehicle(and had good chance aginst anything less armoured than apc)

[Ironsight06]

Food for thought. Anyone know where to get a D-30 firing pin and some 122mm rounds? ;)

http://www.milweb.net/webverts/cc1/
Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.

[Hellfish]

Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.

I was kidding.

[wamp]

With arty you could use it as a direct fire weapon, but with indirect fire your going to need trained arty men, and that is going to take away from your already small company of shooters. Then you have to weigh in weight of ammo etc. You also run the risk of collatoral damage on the civilian population, 122mm round falling on them is not a way to get them on your side.

[Loopster]

It might be easier to just drive a truck out onto the runway, shoot out its tires and then leave. No need to manhaul aircraft out there.

Yes, but what happens if you need to use the airport quickly? ;)



Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

This is the typical road in EG.

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/8442/inselbergmg3.jpg

A perfect place for Claymores, or the cheaper ones made in Zimbabwe.

Impossible to use artillery or big vehicles. Just civilian ones (if possible with armor) and a couple of chopers, Malabo is full of private air companies, you only need the pilots, stole the choppers!! :D Two good professionals working in Malabo for a month, preparing the area, controlling the choppers and taken reserves of fuel, ammo, water and food, and you only have to transport the "action team".

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

I still would opt for IED(you would only need one person to detonate it) but it would depend on terrain. Soo far we got no intel about road from base to target area.

Once the first vehicle is taken out(Certain to be more than one in an reaction force) the rest of the troops will dismount and clear the area more than likely. One guy can't be expected to delay the probable forces that will be coming north up that road.

The plan for the MI-8 is to insert the airport assault team before conducting a rocket attack on the Presidential compound and guard barracks sycronised with the ground assault. Once that has been conducted the helo will be free to rearm(on the freighter) and move to support the airport team.

[Belial]

I personally would only use light 60mm mortars, possibly 81mm, but the 60mm can be found in compact enough formats to be affected to squad sized sub-groups among your base effectives. It would most likely be enough against the enemy forces.

-edit- about hellfish's post

[Asheren]

Once the first vehicle is taken out(Certain to be more than one in an reaction force) the rest of the troops will dismount and clear the area more than likely. One guy can't be expected to delay the probable forces that will be coming north up that road.

The plan for the MI-8 is to insert the airport assault team before conducting a rocket attack on the Presidential compound and guard barracks sycronised with the ground assault. Once that has been conducted the helo will be free to rearm(on the freighter) and move to support the airport team.

Place multiple ones on road side detoneate first one to knock out leading vehicle then in short delay detonate rest from rear to front. Place some claymores on both road sides remaining troops will most propably rush for cover right in to them. Place some also one or two charges befre in front and in line on both side(making T shaped something). With some luck they would be to shocked to even think about doing anything for quite some time. When they do well another line of mines is just waiting to discurage them. One man might be not enough but i think around 4-5.(1 MG 1 RPG plus few rounds for it would be more than enough.)

[Straker]

What a fascinating thread, I wonder if the dear president has an email address to which a link for this thread could be sent?

Thats assuming of course that he hasn't seen it already, I'm guessing he is paranoid enough and his security good enough to have people looking for such things.

Pity EO got "disbanded" would have made an interesting job for them.

[Belial]

Place multiple ones on road side detoneate first one to knock out leading vehicle then in short delay detonate rest from rear to front. Place some claymores on both road sides remaining troops will most propably rush for cover right in to them. Place some also one or two charges befre in front and in line on both side(making T shaped something). With some luck they would be to shocked to even think about doing anything for quite some time. When they do well another line of mines is just waiting to discurage them. One man might be not enough but i think around 4-5.(1 MG 1 RPG plus few rounds for it would be more than enough.)
What do you mean by "some" and "multiple ones"? Do you think that a 4-5 man team maning a machine gun AND a RPG, having to carry the ammo for those AND the explosives, hastily rushing to that point would have the time to set up a minefield akin what you can find on the fino-russian border ?


-edit- and such a disposition would require men trained on specialised weapons and explosives manipulation, meaning skilled "white"(occidental training and military background) people, and you can't afford to put trained vital "framing" elements in that kind of risks.
There are also a lot of things that could go wrong with things that go boom, especially in numbers and along a road (How much circulation is there on it btw ?).

[Asheren]

Well i think around 4-6 AFP IED each around 4 kg(not sure about weight cos never made any) Those things can offer quite big punch with relative small weight. Considering covering range of claymores i would say than around 30 would be enough. With one guy carring light mg one carring rpg you still have three guys that can carry explosives. I would see main problem with claymores cos IED can be made in a way point and click.

[SBL]

Outside the Morroccan guards, Gabonians, etc. most of the Guinean army guys are going to be locals- sons, brothers, friends, etc.
If you inflict too many casualties on the military, this might not sit well with the public and lead to further complications. I suppose if you had to, it could be portrayed as being "blue on blue", but I just don't think it would sit well with the general populace to have a boatload of casualties and nothing to blame but the coup.
Just a thought, any feedback?

[Loopster]

About the people and the Army...

In Bioko and the islands (remember, Annobon is the "powerful" oily area) around 80% of the people are from Bubi tribe. The goverment, and 90% of military and police forces are from Fang tribe, who take control of the country after decolonization of Equatorial Guinea from Spain and take the Bubis (and other tribes like Playeros) like slaves.

If you kill military or police of Malabo the people will try to stole their weapons or kick their asses, not to mourn them ;)

In ethnics and tribe questions the solution is easy, avoid Rio Muni, they're Fangs, and very braves against occupers.

[Col. Psycho]

Hello guys, my first post. :)

I signed on to actually partake in this thread. Its interesting to see what the fellas have to say. I am in no way affiliated with any military group and thus i plan this on my own knowledge and personal ideas.

Okay, for equipment:

People are stating that a T55 is going to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, which is not the case. the following websites actually sell ex-military vehicles at reasonable prices. you can purchase old IFVs, tanks, etc etc for a couple of thousand pounds (sterling.)

this website lists an 432 APC for sale at around £4,500.
http://www.rrservices.co.uk/list.htm

it also lists other vehicles that may be of use. the Stalwarts could be used in a logistics setting after the main force has moved in and taken over.

more examples are here:

A T72 Tank (3 available):
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/T72/T72.htm

BMP-1 IFVs, (2 available):
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/BMP1/BMP1.htm

the point im trying to make, is that if i could purchase these vehicles for those prices in the UK, then im pretty sure we could pickup the same sort of vehicles for the same sort of prices anywhere else.

Personally, i'd purchase the BMPs, (both of them) and 2 x T72. I'd fit them with makeshift wirecage armor to defeat RPGs and similar AT weapons. Purchasing working armaments on the black market isnt going to cost too much and thus i could retrofit them with suitable weapons. Im certain (within reason) that the purchasing and modification of those vehicles wouldnt amount to more than $200 000. and WHAM! you already have a formidable attacking force.

The BMP's can be used to stage a beach landing (they are amphibious.) and would have soldiers in them, to dismount and capture crucial points once they have landed.

Whilst the BMP's are landing, i'd have several small explosions go off around the city to cause as much confusion as possible. Whilst this is going on, a small team of SF type soldiers (a section should do it.) would have been inserted already and would be standing by to storm the presidential palace the moment the confusion is unleashed.

i'd look for either Royal Marine Commandos or SAS boys to do the job. they might cost a bit more but they'd be worth it. anyway, they would either capture or kill the president and any other important targets within the palace. They cant stick around long and so they'd be on the move to the next target on the list, which would probably be military / political leaders of importance.

I'd also look into hiring some ex South African recce operators and maybe members of Koevoet or the Special Task Force. They'd form the staple of the crack-troops storming the city. Infact, during those 6 months, i'd leave them to find and select the 50 local people for training and train them up to a decent standard.

i'll carry on when im not so tired. excuse any screwups, as i mentioned i am tired and need to hit the sack. i'll go into detail regarding other plans ASAP.

:)

[Hellfish]

All those vehicles are demilled, meaning their guns don't work. So you'd have to buy them, find functional weapons and fire control systems, have people trained on all of them, maintain them, find ammunition for them. On top of that, there's no way to easily transport them or export them from the country you purchase them in, nevermind unloading them under fire.

In other words, excessively impractical and more trouble than they're worth, especially since the EGs don't have any armor themselves.

[Col. Psycho]

All those vehicles are demilled, meaning their guns don't work. So you'd have to buy them, find functional weapons and fire control systems, have people trained on all of them, maintain them, find ammunition for them. On top of that, there's no way to easily transport them or export them from the country you purchase them in, nevermind unloading them under fire.

In other words, excessively impractical and more trouble than they're worth, especially since the EGs don't have any armor themselves.


uhm, dude.


All Gun ports are fully functional, Gun has been deacticated by welding the breech, but the Autoloader and Main Ammo storage racks are complete.

basically, i'd have to sort out the breech and the relative parts can be purchased, on the blackmarket, in africa, and then i'd have them fitted, which isnt going to cost much. Also, it states that all electronics and radio equipment come with the vehicle and so im willing to bet that optics are included. If not, several poor african countries will be glad to sell off thier own BMPs, especially since most of them probably arent looked after anymore.

people purchase vehicles from the UK and have them shipped to the US, and for that matter, it happens all over europe too. i'd be using one of those cargo ships everyone else has been ranting about so its not like i couldnt transport the vehicles...

and sure, the EG's might not have working armor. But if you show up with armor you obviously mean business, and it is handy to be able to call up on armored support if major firefights have to break open. so its perfectly viable.

edit again:

a picture of the optics included in the BMPs that are for sale:
http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/BMP1/BMP1_for_sale_web6GunSights.jpg

[wamp]

The whole thing is going by KISS though "Keep It Simple Stupid", were in and were out. No need to overstay a welcome. The armor would be good if you were gonna stick around for restabilizaiton but we plan on being in a non extradtion country by then. Armor brings in to many factors with the added need of transportation and crews. Dont get me wrong, its a cool idea and all opinions and ideas are welcome. But it just wouldnt work with this venture.

[Col. Psycho]

im not sure what is so unfeasable about bringing in a pair of IFVs. if anything, its a bonus for firepower. sure, KISS is key here, but what isnt simple about it? its a major operation, and this means some things are going to be complicated. Purchasing and rearming a pair of IFVs within a $500 000 budget is perfectly acceptable, and perfectly possible on the black market.

besides, they provide the best ways to land on the beaches and move into the capital, becuase you have the firepower on demand and your troops are protected when they land. and when its all over, they can go back to the ship, or be scuttled out at sea to get rid of any evidence.

there are veterans of the bushwars who are trained in operating soviet equipment, and they can be hired to train crews and help with maintenance. i reckon marching on there with some decent armored support is better than pulling off some fancy stunts with a helicopter, like so many others have suggested...

but hey, if you guys dont like the ideas, thats your problem. i'm sticking to it.

[LaoSexMachine]

It's logistics. How are you going to quickly unloaded from a cargo ship? Jeeps and Land rovers will be mobile gun platforms.

[Hellfish]

im not sure what is so unfeasable about bringing in a pair of IFVs. if anything, its a bonus for firepower. sure, KISS is key here, but what isnt simple about it? its a major operation, and this means some things are going to be complicated. Purchasing and rearming a pair of IFVs within a $500 000 budget is perfectly acceptable, and perfectly possible on the black market.

besides, they provide the best ways to land on the beaches and move into the capital, becuase you have the firepower on demand and your troops are protected when they land. and when its all over, they can go back to the ship, or be scuttled out at sea to get rid of any evidence.

there are veterans of the bushwars who are trained in operating soviet equipment, and they can be hired to train crews and help with maintenance. i reckon marching on there with some decent armored support is better than pulling off some fancy stunts with a helicopter, like so many others have suggested...

but hey, if you guys dont like the ideas, thats your problem. i'm sticking to it.

What if the seas are rough? These are designed for crossing slow rivers, not oceans? What if you drop one into the ocean and you realize that your drain plugs don't work and you start taking on water? Are you willing to risk 8-11 men drowning? What if you lose one of them to a lucky RPG? What if one of them breaks down? What if you throw a track? What if there isn't a suitable beach?

Armored vehicles have been discussed and largely rejected. Too many people are looking at where AFVs are being sold and its too easy to track where they are going and where they have been. Just getting them out of the UK would be a massive hassle, nevermind then having to go to the African black market and finding someone with a 73mm breach that they're willing to give up, plus sufficient quantities of ammunition. What if one of the people you approach works for a French spy agency or for the CIA? What if word gets out that a bunch of people are looking for BMP ammo and parts? Guess who is going to start looking into things?

Then there's operator level maintenance. Then depot-level maintenance. What happens if you get it on ship and then the vehicle gets seawater in the engine during rough seas? Who is gonna fix all that? What if the transmission gets fouled up?

Its well beyond the realm of KISS and creates more headaches than solves problems.

[Demigod-17]

Jeeps and land rovers? what sorts? Defender pickup could prove invaluble.

[Kersh]

I would absolutely love to see what happens when somebody from the President's security detail find this.

[Flagg]

I would absolutely love to see what happens when somebody from the President's security detail find this.

I can see the milphotos.net Wikipedia entry:

And in late 2006, the popular Militaryphotos.net internet forum was implicated in a planned coup against Equatorial Guinea resulting in the first international incident resulting from the interweb. Coincidentally, a significant number of forum members held their first annual Militaryphotos.net Operation Equitorial Guinea Freedom Kablamalooza Festival in an undisclosed location. Confidential sources believe the location is neighbouring Cameroon. When reached for comment Militaryphotos.net spokesman Hellfish6 said,"Hello?!? Is this thing on, hello?!? OK...Standby! Standby! GO! GO! GO!"

[James]

Maybe we should get Toyota Hilux trucks instead of Defenders for the regular gun trucks. I'd also consider using a pair of them (unarmed) for cargo; beans, bullets and band aids.
Fire support (if neccessary) could be a pair of unimogs with Dushkas and a 60mm mortar.

Regarding the HVTs - are we going to try and capture them and turn them over to the new gov't? Or eliminate them? I think this makes a significant difference in the way we will deal with them and their locations when the operation begins.

My apologies if this was already covered.

[James]

Again, this might have been covered already...

How is success defined for this operation?

In the first post it said that annual military expenditures are only $3 million. Perhaps we should explore the possibility of simply bribing the heads of the military and police to take no action when we want to roll; cuts down on the number of objectives we need to deal with and leaves intact forces in place for the new gov't.

[Loopster]

This is a good idea James, but Obiang's security team also thought about that ;)

For example, the only big army unit (a reinforced company) near Malabo are 100% Fang, and also relatives of Obiang and security forces, the "non trusted" army forces are all in mainlad to watch about an attack from Gabon's armed forces. So, if you pay the military leaders to help you and they move to Malabo (without too much ammo or fuel) the security forces inmediately will take Obiang and flew him to USA or Cape Verde, that's what Obiang allways do if he suspects about a coup, fly to USA to take care of the CIA or to Paris with the DGSE guys. Again, to pay them not to react against the coup will be detected, Obiang's security are so well in this kind of HUMINT.

If you want to have success you need to eliminate (and destroy the corpses) all the circle of power of Obiang, take control of the HVT like Malabo goverment area (the "Green Zone"), Basillé sat station, Annobbon island and Luba Freeport. In one week you should be able to restore all the production of oil and the pays to the people who's still working.

The best plan for me is to have a couple of choppers and a dozen of Unimogs/Land Rovers/some kind of jeeps waiting for you in Malabo Airport; make an assault landing in the airport, seize it, block the road to the military base and move a team to Basillé and another to Palace Complex at the same time with the choppers, the Rovers/Unimogs have to go to the embassys and Treausury, block the access to "Green Zone" and reinforce the Palace team.

In the following months all the imported cars have to pay taxes and to take an inspection in Malabo area, so it's a good moment to put all your vehicles in the same place whitout being suspicious.

Also, put some covert areas full of ammo, fuel, some kind of hospital,... hide in the residential area of Abayak (between airport and embassys area) to resupply if necessary and to lighten your logistics in the D-day.

Forget to use local hospitals, the only one who's doctors are good ones is located in Bata, and the doctors are cubans ;)

[Hydro]

Like I said before, you're going to need the arty. It gives you such a big advantage.



Artillery would be a pain in the arse to use. With limited numbers of men, crewing the guns would cause manpower shortages. Its heavy and immobile, the ammunition would require dedicated support vehicles. You'd have to consolidate a firebase, which requires defending. So far from what I've read this will be a highly mobile op, with light vehicles as mobile fire support at the most. Use mortars, 60mm - 81mm...all can be man packed with the ammunition - and brought in and out of action quickly. RPG's are good enough for the DF role.


With the limited manpower available on this op, you wouldn't want to concentrate a valuable dismount section in a BMP that is vulnerable to RPG's. There are way too many variables associated with operating armour to make it worthwhile on this op.

[Ironsight06]

Use mortars, 60mm - 81mm...all can be man packed with the ammunition - and brought in and out of action quickly.
Mortars are also considered artillery. Would go for one set of 120mm mortars though. Easy to operate and transport and gives a ****load of firepower.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What about the neigbouring countries?

How will they act with a coup in a country next to them? Africa has a history of nations sending in the troops to either support the coup or help the government in power defeat the coup.

Personally the best bet would be to bribe the government for a small area of the country in which you run the show and in return you will provide a paramilitary force to enable the government to remain in power.

And live like kings

[James]

Personally the best bet would be to bribe the government for a small area of the country in which you run the show and in return you will provide a paramilitary force to enable the government to remain in power.

And live like kings

Interesting... we remove the old government and then guarantee the security of the new one by managing the future security force...

Who ever would've thought that Min would make a contribution in such a thread!

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

What I mean't was.

Any coup attempt in this region of Africa is going to be very hard to pull off. A neigbour is more then likely going to get involved and resulting civil war is going to bloody. And no matter how good our little band of 100 men is. Facing a few thousend fully armed enemy troops with possible air support it going to be well...impossible.

The safest bet if you wish to establish your own little kingdom for your merry men would be to bribe the current government. No bloodshed. The locals wouldn't really care until the next commie tribal chief wants power.

Also bare in mind such a group of men would no doubt be on the FBI's most wanted list probably along with Russia's security agencies due to the type of men such a group would attract.

I think merely surviving would be more important then actually trying to grab power in some Banana Republic. Conslidate what you have. Train the locals. Using the obvious education and skills such a group would have would if the government would allow it would do much more to achieve this aim.

After about say 10 years once the locals are trained up. The kids are receiving western style education and the economy is booming because of the local arms industry and drug smuggling then make your move. The local population would be behind you 100% due to the improvements made to their standard of living.

Hell you probably could gain power by winning an election under such a scheme. Why use violance if their are other more suitable means that would lessen the chance of foreign intervention?

[Col. Psycho]

:|

okay, i still stand by the BMP's as possibilities. but, i'll put that on the shelf for now.

regarding my troops:

As i mentioned earlier, i'd most likely hire a 50-50 ratio of international to local soldiers for the op. The international side would consist of ex-SAS / RMC / Green Jackets from Britain. this would be around 24 individuals. The other 26 would include South African STF / Recce / Koevoet / 32BN operators. These would be the guys, along with the Royal Green Jackets, responsible for the mainstream work, with the SAS / RMC being in charge of special operations.

For the local force, i'd leave a mixed group of Recce, Koevoet and RMC to select and train local boys who they deem most capable for the operations. Sort of "it takes one to know one" type of thing. I'd suggest a minimum of 3 months training but preferably 4 months, depending on how soon they can recruit the 50 guys to do the work. I'd say that we should do most of the training on land, but for the last month before the op the training can be conducted on one of those ships, if needs be.

Special Forces:

The SF Contingent would consist of 2 x 2man sniper teams, 1 x 2man medic team, 1 x 2man dedicated MG unit. the last 8 would be regular operators, who would conduct the actual attack on the politicians and military leaders, with either sniper or MG support where needed. there are 8 more SF guys who will be used for other operations, i.e saboteur teams which will combat the military and damage government defensive infrastructure.

Regular Mercs:

the 26 other guys would consist of the following: 2 medics, 4 pilots / vehicle specialists. (guys who can drive anything with wheels, and some things without, ie helicopters and planes.)

the remaining 20, would work like this: 12 guys, in charge of the local mercs, 1 guy to 4 locals. that means 48 locals being commanded by 12 Mercs = 60 man force. they would run in 6 x 10man sections. alternatively, each section can break into 2 x 5man fireteams, allowing for 20 smaller teams to control areas. however some of these fireteams will provide Mortar support, others will provide AT support on the side.

each fireteam would have a medic,
a SAW gunner, a grenadier and 2 regular guys, who would carry spare ammo.

a Mortar team will contain 1 x 82mm mortar, 1 medic, 1 x SAW Gunner, and 3 mortar operators, who would carry around ammunition.

an AT team would have 2 x RPG gunners, and 1 guy carrying extra ammunition, 1 x Medic, and 1 x SAW gunner.

Alot of firepower, but its handy in desperate situations. i'll cover munitions further on.

the remaining 2 locals would be trained as specialists to work alongside the medics or pilots/vehicle specialists, for support, depending on where they'd be needed.

Local Merc Training:

the local mercs (the guys from EG) would recieve a broad spectrum of training concerning medical skills, weapons handling (including heavy weapons) and soldiers skills, and also building clearing / CQB skills. A sort of "jack of all trades, master of none" except, they will be trained in a specific area according to where they are needed on top of thier broad training. That happens in the last month of training, where they are split into groups (i.e medic, MG, grenadiers, etc etc) and trained in these groups.

Munitions:

each merc operator will be armed with an FN FAL Para (50.63). Machine Gunners will operate FN Mags. the SF merc personnel will have a choice of weapons within reason, but the choice is based on what they need for the job. I'd prefer everyone to go with 7.62x51mm to keep the ammunition type uniform. Grenadiers will operate a genade-launcher, i.e underslung grenade launcher OR rifle-grenades OR M79 style launchers, depending on whats available. Snipers can use any sniper rifle they are suited to, depending on availability and practicality. However rifles should stay in the lower-caliber range, i.e 7.62, etc.. there isnt a need for .50 rifles. We would obtain several 82mm mortars. Several RPG-7 launchers would be purchased along with ammunition.

Worst case scenario i'd settle for ex-combloc weapons for the small arms, i.e PKMs and AK pattern rifles.

Also, all of the non-local mercs will carry sidearms. gear would be basic, just assault vest / LBVs, surplus cammies, kevlar helmet and level 2 bodyarmor. anything else they want they can provide themselves.

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i'll carry on later on, i have to go somewhere now. before you start criticising, i havent actually finished off what im saying and there are holes in my plan here and there, which i will finish off another time.

[Hydro]

Weapons wise, it'd make sense to use weapons that are in use with local forces. Ammunition can be restocked from local armouries.

[Belial]

Weapons wise, it'd make sense to use weapons that are in use with local forces. Ammunition can be restocked from local armouries.

Ditto, also bear in mind that the official languages of Equatorial Guinea are spanish and french. Your operatives have to be if not proefficient in those languages, at least operationnal with the rudiments.

To Psycho :
Protective clothing is not a must, remember that it's a hitfist operation and the money spent on helmets and body armor could be better spent on other expenses and the additional weight of those will be additional weight on your freighter, on the zodiacs, and on the back of your guys. The weapons used shall be of the same caliber as the ones used by the governmentals. RPG 7's should be part of the gear, but don't forget disposables such as the RPG18 or the LAW72, peppered among the ranks to gap potential holes in the organisation due to casualties. SAW's such as RPK's (which could be used as DMS's) should be widespread too.
60mm mortars would do it for most of the fire support needed and would allow for a faster transport of the arty assets among more or less fully equipped squads. Sidearms are not a must and shall be brought/found along with their ammo by the guys themselves if they want one.

As for training, I see the locals mostly as cannon fodder or second line troops, especially seeing how you won't have the time to change them into war masters in the short preparation period you'll be given. Train them as groups/squads. No need to give them a broad training especially seeing how your training facilities will be close to non-existant and you'd have to find the people to train the locals first and then a training ground and get all that people in that place.

I'd have to give more thought into the organisation of the overall effectives. But I don't really see the need for "special forces" as most of the duties could be done by normal infantry squads. You might want a special divide between "shock troops" and light infantry though. Also bear in mind that finding actual retired occidental SF members willing to go put their asses on the line in such a risky venture isn't as easy as it sounds, finding the "white" operatives is a pretty long and ingrate process yet it's very important. This requires a lot of connections among particular social networks and the use of personnal acquaintances to end up with a pretty solid bunch of guys.

[Col. Psycho]

agreed on those subjects. i suppose several of the operators being hired would have to speak either french or spanish then. im pretty sure some of the SAS / RMC officers would speak a bit of french/spanish, as to be an officer in the british armed forces (to attend officer school) you are required to know one foreign european language iirc. these guys can teach everyone else the basics, and with the other 50 local boys, they can also help with teaching the operators the language whilst they are being taught the skills by the operators.

as i mentioned, i'd go for combloc weapons if needs be it, but im pretty confident in packing enough ammunition to take with. i'll keep it in mind though. :)

[James]

i'll carry on later on, i have to go somewhere now. before you start criticising, i havent actually finished off what im saying and there are holes in my plan here and there, which i will finish off another time.

Er, what plan? You've come up with a TO&E (sort of). Maybe you should make your plan first and tailor your units to accomplish the mission.

[Belial]

Er, what plan? You've come up with a TO&E (sort of). Maybe you should make your plan first and tailor your units to accomplish the mission.

Listen to the man Col. Psycho ;)

It's quite tempting to elaborate the TOE as there are no real liabilities and it's just a forum thread thoug :p.

Some might say that you may have to elaborate your plan depending on your TOE(assets availability dictating tactical decisions).

[Col. Psycho]

yeah i didnt realise i hadnt put my plan down, i know what i want to do hence why i have planned out the troops, i just hadnt put the plan down yet.

i was thinking of an assault on the capital city, with troops landing via Zodiac (since everyone seems to think IFVs wont work) early sunday morning. the SF dettachement assigned with sorting out the president. With sniper support in place, would assault the compound as silently as possible. the snipers would be armed with supressed rifles to keep the noise as down as possible. the SF team would either capture or kill the president.

Simultaneously the mortar teams would have setup around the key installations to start bombardment. the Saboteur team would be 4 SF soldiers being directly supported by one of the regular fireteams. they would destroy as much as possible before getting out, with mortar teams starting up the moment the saboteur teams give them the thumbs up. I would concentrate on taking out any military garrisons before they could react, by using my troops to setup ambushes around any military compounds. This, coupled with the shelling from the mortar squads should ensure the military garrison craps themselves into submission, or gets wiped out.

Also, a lesser imporant task would be securing the Mi-24's that someone mentioned were on the island. I'd send in half of the saboteur team to try and take control OR destroy the aircraft. If possible, pilots may steal the aircraft for our own usage.

okay, so so far:

SF section used up.
SF Sniper team used up
medics would be on standby.
2 x mortar fireteams used up.
2 x regular fireteams used as ambush units.
1 x regular fireteam to support saboteurs on Mi-24 mission.
SF saboteur section split and used both ways.


The idea, is to destory as much of the military on the island as possible, whilst simultaneously wiping out the leadership, or at least the president. Once this has been achieved, a helicopter can start ferrying any other troops, equipment and logistics from the ship to the island, to further cement the control.

im concentrating on the island moreso than the mainland for now, i'll review and edit my plans later.

[Loopster]

Lil' intel mistake, the place marked as "Residencia Presidencial" really is the city hospital, it's name is Loeri Nombé.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6508/malaboportun4.jpg

By the way, the soldiers' favorite place in capital is Candy, american style music (mainly rap), phone number: (+240) 920 93

What about to prepare the op by renting a building with a big garden in Abayak or "Parque de Naciones" zone?, it's only 10 minutes away from airport and you can store lots of ammo and supplies during op. preparation. Also you can control the movement besides embassys and goverment districts.


Any other intel info that you need?, ah!, I'm native spanish speaker and have very good guineans friends from oposition living in Spain let the intel for me, but only if you pay so fine ;)

[SBL]

Lil' intel mistake, the place marked as "Residencia Presidencial" really is the city hospital, it's name is Loeri Nombé.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/6508/malaboportun4.jpg

By the way, the soldiers' favorite place in capital is Candy, american style music (mainly rap), phone number: (+240) 920 93

What about to prepare the op by renting a building with a big garden in Abayak or "Parque de Naciones" zone?, it's only 10 minutes away from airport and you can store lots of ammo and supplies during op. preparation. Also you can control the movement besides embassys and goverment districts.


Any other intel info that you need?, ah!, I'm native spanish speaker and have very good guineans friends from oposition living in Spain let the intel for me, but only if you pay so fine ;)

Your friends know this is basically a game, right? p-)
Outstanding intel, however. Keep it up.

[LaoSexMachine]

I agree with James. Hilux/Tacomas will be a good idea but paper trails will be hard to cover up. Hey might use my 350 from work. hehe

[Hellfish]

Which building is actually the presidential palace?

[LaoSexMachine]

Which building is actually the presidential palace?


"Residencia Predensia"

[SBL]

What sorts of defense measures/fortifications are in place around the presidential compound? I'm assuming there will be a fair amount of barbed wire, etc. But what about motion detectors, mines, etc.?
Anybody know some specifics?

[JesperAFCA]

I love this topic :) I'm looking forward to all the big plans :)

[Loopster]

Your friends know this is basically a game, right?

Of course they know!, hahaha, after the failed attempt in 2004 and the retreat of "president Moto" from Spain to Croatia, I highly doubt they wanna be involved right know ;)


Outstanding intel, however. Keep it up.

Thanks again, perhaps this will be interesting for Hellfish6...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9380/formpnet1ms7.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2619/formpnet2lt7.jpg
What appears in GoogleEarth has Residencia Presidencial is the local hospital, not the palace.

About perimetric defense... unknown, and hard to known until deployment of HUMINT team, is prohibited to take any pics of this area, and even if you didn't make any pic, police will take your camera. But if you can take control of the helispots behind palace complex and ensure the little road to palace... just knock the door off!

[goat89]

Helispots eh? Nice....Would be good just in case the Op goes bad we can butt out.

[LaoSexMachine]

Helispots eh? Nice....Would be good just in case the Op goes bad we can butt out.

No. So the HVT can't escape.

[SBL]

No. So the HVT can't escape.

But perhaps it could also be a handy route to transport HVTs to the ship for detention/insurance/ransom etc.

[Hellfish]

I think the HVTs ought to be dead.

[LaoSexMachine]

But perhaps it could also be a handy route to transport HVTs to the ship for detention/insurance/ransom etc.


They will be shot while "resisting" arrest.

[G-2]

Does the crew requirement for vechicles eat into the total personnel allowed or are they counted as seperate.

[Hellfish]

Eats into the total.

[G-2]

Oh and by the way, what is our equipment access, Can we buy anything once we have the money or is there kit restrictions (if this has already been answered please direct moi to the page).:)

[Kersh]

I do believe it's been established that equipment needs to be attainable and practical. In other words, you can't get three M-1 Abrams to storm through the city. You need kit and vehicles that not only accomplish the mission, but are logistically sound.

[SBL]

Oh and by the way, what is our equipment access, Can we buy anything once we have the money or is there kit restrictions (if this has already been answered please direct moi to the page).:)

Just refer back to the original post. It's spelled out fairly well for you there.

[Demigod-17]

right, its in most peoples plan to have a cargo ship and a Mi-8, use the chopper to drop 4-8 snipers in surrounding rooftops, pickup vehicles could be mobile mortar bases,

how hard would 81mm mortars be to find? i've seen a few Deac's for 800-1K each, not sure what would be needed to make them active again.

what sniper rifles would be available? ex-soviet rifles? firing 7.62x54R? Dragunov?

would we need Armour and Helmets? 100 would cost 15-20K..

[Col. Psycho]

what about chartering a plane to fly over the island for some guys to get in via HALO, and once they are in place, they can launch the first wave of attacks whilst Zodiacs carrying the rest of the troops land at key points on the island.

question, since everyone thinks it would be so damn hard to get my IFVs onto the beach from the ship, how the hell do you plan on getting your little landy's and the like onto the island? and dont tell me you plan on buying several on the island and sorting them out on the island because surely someone would notice something...

also, the whole "seawater in engine" thing, if thats such a big case, what about the rest of the equipment on the ship? the IFVs would be covered up and protected from the elements before the landing, whereas a helicopter can run the risk of getting doused in wet weather conditions at sea and this might cause it to ****out as well.

bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on and im told that purchasing a pair of IFVs to utilise in a beach assault and for heavy security is so damn unreasonable. :|

[Hellfish]

I never said I wanted helos. ;)

[Hydro]

I think I shall watch the Wild Geese and The Dark of the Sun to get a proper handle on the complications of using Mercenaries ;)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

right, its in most peoples plan to have a cargo ship and a Mi-8, ..


No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.


bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on

I plan to use choppers. I am not everyone. Use whatever you want but don't dump on my plan cause someone dumped on yours.

If you really want me to focuss my attention on the strengths and weaknesses of your plan I'll be more than happy to.

You, on the other hand, might not.

[California Joe]

Did you quit drinking lately or something? Smoking? Masturbating?

[Hydro]

Even using a chopper won't necessarily be THAT problematic. IIRC an Mi-8T needs one man - the pilot. The firepower afforded by 6 57mm rocket pods might just be worth it from a force multiplier perspective to make the risks worthwhile.

[Flagg]

Of course they know!, hahaha, after the failed attempt in 2004 and the retreat of "president Moto" from Spain to Croatia, I highly doubt they wanna be involved right know ;)



Thanks again, perhaps this will be interesting for Hellfish6...

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9380/formpnet1ms7.jpg
http://img304.imageshack.us/img304/2619/formpnet2lt7.jpg
What appears in GoogleEarth has Residencia Presidencial is the local hospital, not the palace.

About perimetric defense... unknown, and hard to known until deployment of HUMINT team, is prohibited to take any pics of this area, and even if you didn't make any pic, police will take your camera. But if you can take control of the helispots behind palace complex and ensure the little road to palace... just knock the door off!


If it were possible to ascertain the IA drills of the Presidential CP team(like a helicopter extraction if the compound comes under attack), maybe just do a sneaky sneaky and daisy chain a half dozen claymores there.....then put on a dog and pony fireworks display...funnel the president's extraction to the Helo pad.....then go clickety clack with the clacker!

[Hydro]

If you were sneaky beaky enough to get in and stick claymores down, it might be worth sticking a short term ambush in, whack the president and his CP team as they extract to the LS, and possibly use that element as part of an attack on the Presidential compound, get in from more than one angle.

[Hellfish]

Could you drop off firecrackers from a car near the Palacio area and watch what happens?

[Flagg]

I'd like to know what Ngati's going to use his two airmobile Quad bikes and trailers for...stripped down SFMG/Mortar/AT teams?

I'm starting to think a single plane might be useful.

Doesn't have to be pretty or expensive, just needs a LOT of endurance....say 6-12 hours.

I'm thinking maybe low budget airborne command and control.

Comms gear, maybe some SIGINT kit, a pair of portable TI sights.

You'd probably be somewhat safe from any potential MANPADS threat until first light.

Plus you could quickly and easily drop distraction devices as part of your deception operations plan.

[Loopster]

Select and collect a team of 40 mercenaries with a good knowledge of spanish and about ten guineans in Spain (they're too much working as boxers or doormen in discos), some of them if possible with military background from Legion or Infanteria de Marina.

Buy weapons in Cameroon, which type? I don't know, make suggestions please :D

Rent a big house in Abayak Complex (Malabo) and send a team of three men and five guineans to collect HUMINT and prepare the supplies of ammo and fuel, also for prepare a little hospital and command post, place CCTV cameras in critical areas like the bridges inside the capital or the acces to military bases. This team have to rent two medium helicopters from private companies (Malabo is full of them, for example to Bell Rangers) and buy or rent a dozen Unimogs/Rover to be prepared in the airport. Forget the pilots, just have to take two or three with your team and take the control

Send the assault team to Cameroon and make a jump (renting or seizing a small plane) to Malabo airport, where the HUMINT team and some of the guineans were be waiting with the jeeps and choppers. Take the airport, deactivate the LOR and put planes in the middle of the runaway. Send the choppers with one team each to Basillé and Palace, they have to arrive at the same time to make it perfect; the rest of the assault team will divide, a vehicle to put charges/Claymores in the road from airport-military base, another to keep in the airport and serve as reserve to the team in the south road; all the other vehicles go to palace complex and assault it to make the cover for chopper team.

Kill everybody in the palace, the guineans will recognize the Bubis from the Fangs without problems, so not let nobody survive your attack. After control the palace take control of the Green Zone, and prepare to control the crowds, also take care of the security services from the embassys, don't kill them! ;)

Start calling the military leaders of the country, offer them money and to keep in their places.

Make a big party for MP.net in Malabo.

Send the rights of the film to 21thCentury Fox.

[Hydro]

I'd like to know what Ngati's going to use his two airmobile Quad bikes and trailers for...stripped down SFMG/Mortar/AT teams



Could be useful...in the case of mortars, the quads would be damn useful to get them deployed and set up quick as you like. 81's and some kind of SF capability would be handy to get some bombs and long range MG fire down on the Morroccan Barracks to discourage reinforcements getting down to the LS when you hit the President when he tries to escape.

[Hellfish]

Quads would be very useful for schlepping ammo around - mortars or for SF machineguns, and for zipping any wounded guys out quickly.

[Demigod-17]

No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.


ok, sorry mate. not slating the idea at all, i like it. i still dont have a plan, just odds and ends.

[Kersh]

what about chartering a plane to fly over the island for some guys to get in via HALO, and once they are in place, they can launch the first wave of attacks whilst Zodiacs carrying the rest of the troops land at key points on the island.

question, since everyone thinks it would be so damn hard to get my IFVs onto the beach from the ship, how the hell do you plan on getting your little landy's and the like onto the island? and dont tell me you plan on buying several on the island and sorting them out on the island because surely someone would notice something...

also, the whole "seawater in engine" thing, if thats such a big case, what about the rest of the equipment on the ship? the IFVs would be covered up and protected from the elements before the landing, whereas a helicopter can run the risk of getting doused in wet weather conditions at sea and this might cause it to ****out as well.

bah, im annoyed. people keep screaming KISS, but so far, everyone wants to take choppers onto the island from private ships and so on and im told that purchasing a pair of IFVs to utilise in a beach assault and for heavy security is so damn unreasonable. :|

Take a deep breath. Relax. If you want to buy and supply IFVs, feel free. It's your plan.

Just a bit of advice, IFVs, without proper aerial and ground support, can be driving coffins in a densely populated urban setting. Not only are they loud, out of place, and easy to spot, if someone knows their **** they can destroy/disable them pretty quickly. Then you'll tie up a good bit of your ground troops in support of these IFVs.

[Hellfish]

I'm devil's advocate. If you really want IFVs, go for it. But you'd better do a good job of convincing me it's possible.

[F-14D]

:|

okay, i still stand by the BMP's as possibilities. but, i'll put that on the shelf for now.

regarding my troops:

As i mentioned earlier, i'd most likely hire a 50-50 ratio of international to local soldiers for the op. The international side would consist of ex-SAS / RMC / Green Jackets from Britain. this would be around 24 individuals. The other 26 would include South African STF / Recce / Koevoet / 32BN operators. These would be the guys, along with the Royal Green Jackets, responsible for the mainstream work, with the SAS / RMC being in charge of special operations.

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Im not quite shore but i remeber reading or seeing in the News somewhere the South Africans now have to get permission from government before taking part in foreign wars.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Did you quit drinking lately or something? Smoking? Masturbating?

Worse. They me put behind a desk.

[California Joe]

That would explain it. You have my condolences.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

It's only last's till tommorrow. Then I'm up at Mansfield racetrack for the rest of the week doing advanced driver training in a V8. Bout time, I'm sick of running other peoples ****.

Gonna have some cooool pics by friday.

[SBL]

Im not quite shore but i remeber reading or seeing in the News somewhere the South Africans now have to get permission from government before taking part in foreign wars.

It's true. Legislation was inacted to prevent any further adventuring on the part of PMCs like Executive Outcomes. The law doesn't come right out and say any of that, though.

[Flagg]

It's only last's till tommorrow. Then I'm up at Mansfield racetrack for the rest of the week doing advanced driver training in a V8. Bout time, I'm sick of running other peoples ****.

Gonna have some cooool pics by friday.

You are hereby required to share racetrack photos under penalty of demerit points ;)

[501 Scout]

Does any one know how often all the HVT's meet and or when there Parlament meets?

[Chops]

Personnel- ex Commonwealth- infantry b/g- South Africans being the majority with Brits, Aussies and Kiwis bringing up the numbers.

OOB- one platoon of 100% TCNs- three rifle sections and a weapons section. Nine grunts per section- section ldr and two fireteams of four.

Two platoons of indigs- led by TCN advisers- each section ldr and platoon OCs to be TCNs. Indig platoons do not feature weapons sections.

One reinforced (six man) fireteam of TCNs as QRF (these should be SA Recces, UK Paras, AUS 3RAR etc)- heavy ratio of RPKs and PKMs and any available BG15/GP30 underbarrel GLs.

One Spanish speaking TCN terp attached to each platoon inclu indig platoons- preferably former US Civil Affairs/THT.

One Spanish speaking TCN CA/PsyOps team, again pref former US- 3-4 man team is sufficient.

One small combat medical team inclu surgeon to be based on freighter.

One small HUMINT team for OPB (2-3 operators)- covert insertion as oil workers/tourists for intel prep and eyes on target locations. Former SF or equiv would be ideal.

Contractor crew for Mi8s and poss captured Mi24s.

Kit- ex Warsaw Pact stuff- AKs in 7.62 short, two RPKs at section level, PKMs at platoon- say three two man gun groups which can be attached ad hoc to the rifle sections. RPG7s- integral in sections- one per fireteam. Fireteam would look like; 2x AK, 1x RPK, 1x RPG (with personal AK). One of the riflemen can act as AG on the RPK if needed.

All issued Soviet RDG grenades- two frag per man and one smoke marking.
60mm inf mortars- say three to be held in the weapons section along with the PKMs.

CBA- Western Class IV IBAs or equiv if avail. If not, former Soviet armour if available, otherwise just PASGT helmets. Chicom chest webbing, OD BDUs.

Comms- at section level with commercial Motorola MBITR equivilants for TCN sections and for TCN advisers in indig sections. PHQ for both TCN and indig platoons has PRC/Clansman or similar. All section and platoon leaders issued with both Iridium sat phones and local net mobile phones.

Vehicle platforms- civ 4WDs- Hiluxs/Tacomas/Landies. One gun truck per platoon. If available- mounts with AGS-17 AGLs and DShK 12.7s. If crew served unavailable, jury rig PKMs and RPKs.

One 4WD to be outfitted with loudspeakers as CA/PsyOps platform.

One unarmed 4WD per platoon as casevac platform and resupply vehicle.

All 4WDs to be brought ashore on barge from freighter.

Two Mi8 helos based from African registered freighter off coast of capital. PKMs mounted as doorguns, 57mm pods if available. SA contractor crewed. Helos will act as insertion platforms initially and then as QRF, casevac and CA/PsyOps leaflet dropper.

Objectives

1. Install new puppet leader (selected from opposition/exile community and vetted by Foreign Office/State)

2. Control security on island until relieved by Gabon and Cameroon 'peacekeepers' and 'friendly' local military elements

3. Introduction of NGOs, WMF and USAID to support population and assist in running new government

Ops Plan

1. Secure secluded beachhead in south of main island. Mi8s to launch from moored freighter. 4WD vehicles and indig forces to be brought ashore by barge towed by freighter. One indig section to maintain security at beachhead.

2. Seize local military HQ compound with TCN platoon inserted by Mi8 which then flies to beachhead to pick up indig platoon. Second Mi8 carrying TCN QRF to provide ad hoc close air with doorguns/57mil pods.

Any French or TCN mil advisers to be targeted and killed as a priority. If barracks can be identified, it receives the first gun run from the Mi8 followed up by section attack to clear any remnants. CA/PsyOps team offer surrender conditions to local mil through megaphones/speakers mounted on helos.

Once cleared, TCN platoon stay emplaced until relieved by indig platoon inserted by returning Mi8. One TCN section will remain to organise 'friendly' turned locals as security/police force. Hard currency to be paid immediately to turned locals and issued distinguishing items (blue caps or whatnot);

If Mi24s serviceable, contractor pilots fly CAP/loitering CAS over city. TCN platoon accompanied by QRF Mi8 then fly to the Palace compound.

3. Seize Presidential Palace compound with TCN platoon inserted by Mi8 helo (second Mi8 carrying TCN QRF to provide ad hoc close air)- once cleared hold until indig platoon drives from beachhead in 4WDs and are emplaced to provide security and police local area. TCN platoon take 4WD vehicles to move to tertiary targets, accompanied by CA/PsyOps element.

4. Parliament and 'downtown' government buildings

5. Radio/TV/telephone/mobile facilities

6. Airport

7. Any remaining HVTs- rolling mounted raids to arrest/kill targets- home/business addresses supplied to HUMINT IPB team.

At each tertiary target, indig sections will be brought forward by Mi8 or 4WD from either mil HQ or Pres Palace to secure once cleared by TCN platoon.

Member of CA/PsyOps element to be deployed at each comms node to initiate 'liberation message by local military/opposition party' and broadcast 'immediate curfew' and pre prepared propaganda transmissions- TV tape and SMS. Propaganda to include promises to restore electricity grids, improve education, lower taxes, yadda yadda yadda.

CA terps to act as liasions at each target loc- they will be carrying USDs in hard currency to oil the wheels of local gov/mil officials.

HVTs- will be captured for public trial and poss execution.

Follow On Force- Gabon and Cameroon 'peacekeeper' contingent to be invited to assist after capital seized and helo'd in to the Airport once under control. They will provide day to day security until new government/pol/mil is formed.

Timing/conditions- operation will be launched when Obiang is travelling overseas for treatment of terminal prostate cancer.

Just my initial thoughts.... p-) Need to look next at the follow on op of taking the mainland where the Uncle is based...

[goat89]

About the contractor crews for the Mi-8s....heard there a few Ukrainian guys in A-stan transporting supplies for the US Army. Not sure though. But worth checking it out.

[Hellfish]

Excellent plan, Chops. If I may:

1. How would you go about obtaining, staging and transporting Mi-8s? Where would you aquire rocket pods from? How would you conceal/launch them from the freighter (i.e. how would you go about looking unsuspicious with helo pads?)

2. Why hit the president after hitting HQ? And, on top of that, give him the opportunity to escape because you haven't secured the airfield yet. Likewise with the TV/Radio/telephone installation - I'd think you'd be giving everyone and their mother ample opportunity to talk to each other before the raid hits them personally. Maybe I'm just confused about the timings? By my estimation, the airport won't be taken until probably a good 45 minutes after the balloon goes up.

3. Why not hit when Obiang is in the country?

4. Are you gonna give Gabon/Cameroon advance notice of your attack?

I may have more questions in the morning. Getting late here.

[Chops]

Hi mate

Pick holes please- I already see three or four myself which cannot be fixed w/o additional manpower.

I answer to your queries;

1. Helos would be transported openly lashed to the deck on the freighter/cargo ship- sail out of any West African port and there's not many questions asked. Cover story could be NGO work in Sierra Leone or similar. Helos could be hires or purchased off open market- they're reasonably widely available in Africa for the right dollar.

Pods- if we're getting small arms for a hundred guy, 57mm pods isn't too much of a stretch..p-) Plan still works w/o pods as the Mi8s would use PKs in the doors.

Launch would be stright off flat deck- no pads required.

2. President after mil HQ as the only effective response will be the French trained grunts. Take out their advisers and buy/turn the locals. No point taking the Presidential compound first if it'll end in a siege.

Plus Prez is not home when we launch. 2IC will be in residence and he gets a rude surprise.

Airport? Not mil from sat images so low on priority list. Not a huge loss if some HVTs get away. Job is to depose regime and embed puppet after all. I also think we can count on some confusion generated. Once mil HQ is secured you've effectively severed the gov-mil comms node. HVTs won't know what's going on at least for the first hour or two.

Civ comms nodes? Number four on target list simply down to manpower. Once again, in the general confusion, I think we'd have an hour or two to play with before anything other than SWAG appeared. By then my CA/PO people would be playing their preprepared audio and video and sending SMSs to advise folks of a peaceful liberation and to stay in their homes.

3. I'm following in the great tradition of coup planners- witness the recent Thai business. Fact is, guy's not liked either locally or internationally so he's not going to get any effective backing for some time. Angola just isn't a threat. Yeah he may start a counter coup attempt from a comfortable apartment in Paris whilst in exile but that's not what I'm getting paid to consider... :).

4. Nope no advance notice- a formal cable will be sent once the Presidential Palace falls, inviting them to support the new fledgling government and to discuss those pesky disputed territories... p-)

Finally hopefully the Uncle could be bought off in advance and thus provide the planners with a lot more troop strength in which case most of the target list would be hit near simultaneously.

cheers

C

[Masai]

Find the A-Team, and send them in with Mcguyver and Chuck Norris.

No Seriously, I think Chops has a good idea, But point 5 must be sooner, I would go for the Media before i go after the Pres and the HVT's, That way you can do damage to his reputation and start winning the population's support before the first shot is fired. Disable the cellular network and start blaring out propaganda on the TV

Part of the Propaganda will be a lot of allegations that will convince the population that he will retaliate against you.

Then the gun battles will look like he started it, reinforcing your position as the "Good Guy"

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)

[Belial]

Don't forget the ethnic background of the country and most importantly of the island. One has to take that into account.

[Belial]

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)
The impression better be good then, and I doubt the indigenes part of your effectives will agree to do it. So you're left with a bunch of occidentals with black shoe wax on their faces. You could do the same trying to impersonnate the moroccans with tanned occidentals speaking(yelling) in dialectic arab.
But all in all it would be IMO a unnecessary diversion of human ressources.

[Masai]

I think i would be nessecary to strike some fear into the civilian population, that way they wouldnt support the current regime anymore.

[Loopster]

If the coup is focussed in Malabo you don't need to strike fear in the civilians, they're a majority of bubis, who hates the fang goverment. Probably if you put quickly a Temporary Governor and a City Mayor of bubi's tribe, all the people'll be quiet waitting for your moves.

But this is just possible if the coup is only in Bioko island and Annobon, if you try to seize the city of Bata be ready to insert at least a thousand mercenaries with you.

[Hellfish]

I think i would be nessecary to strike some fear into the civilian population, that way they wouldnt support the current regime anymore.

They already don't have any support.

[bluffcove]

Sorry to be a late entry on this.
I read the first few pages.

Can I have a quick overview of the current budget available forces and local allies?

this looks like fun!

[Hellfish]

Sorry to be a late entry on this.
I read the first few pages.

Can I have a quick overview of the current budget available forces and local allies?

this looks like fun!

Operation budget is $25 million. Available forces are 100 max, of which 50% must be indigs. Local allies - none, save for a handful of very oppressed political parties.

[bluffcove]

Likely opposition?
percentage of population supporting the present leader?
reasons for present leaders support?
back ground demographic of cross border tribalism?

I could go and dig this out - are we on an entirely fictitious scenario or will this be contemporary?

[Hellfish]

Likely opposition?
percentage of population supporting the present leader?
reasons for present leaders support?
back ground demographic of cross border tribalism?

I could go and dig this out - are we on an entirely fictitious scenario or will this be contemporary?

2400 soldiers, sailors, gendarmes and airmen for the whole country.

Minimal.

Tyrannical despot with oil money.

Unknown.

Contemporary.

[bluffcove]

Find a neighbouring country with a large shared tribal culture.
Instigate a genocide of the resident minority culture in Guinea.
Await fury from over the border. Assist the invasion and protection of the discriminated minority.

Hang around to provide security.
Offer to rebuild country, Maintain the armed forces pay them to control the border with the nation you just invaded via. Offer to put hte nation back on its feet, introduce oil water power roads. Accept backhanders for contracts job done!

will work out the nitty gritty later - maybe after the invasion im not sure!

[SBL]

Find the A-Team, and send them in with Mcguyver and Chuck Norris.

No Seriously, I think Chops has a good idea, But point 5 must be sooner, I would go for the Media before i go after the Pres and the HVT's, That way you can do damage to his reputation and start winning the population's support before the first shot is fired. Disable the cellular network and start blaring out propaganda on the TV

Part of the Propaganda will be a lot of allegations that will convince the population that he will retaliate against you.

Then the gun battles will look like he started it, reinforcing your position as the "Good Guy"

Also if you can get a couple of army uniforms and drive around the city killing civilians, it wouldn't hurt.... except of course if you are a civilian, then it would hurt. it will hurt so much you might even die... or worse... :)

I agree that media centers should be secured before HVTs. It should at least least be third or fourth in line in order to effectively isolate the political leadership. Once Mil HQ is offline and reinforcement/rescue is disrupted, the next best option for HVTs is to appeal for public support.

[James]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

[Hellfish]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

I was thinking either that or somewhere like Malwai. A very different sent of tactical options to consider.

[Flagg]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

Oh hell yeah!

[Hellfish]

Tonight I'll post my plan for the coup... hopefully other people can start doing the same. :)

[Col. Psycho]

No. It's in MY plan. Whatever anyone else uses is up to them.



I plan to use choppers. I am not everyone. Use whatever you want but don't dump on my plan cause someone dumped on yours.

If you really want me to focuss my attention on the strengths and weaknesses of your plan I'll be more than happy to.

You, on the other hand, might not.


aww shame, did i hurt your feelings? im so damn sorry. :roll: get over yourself mate, i browsed over the thread and have seen numerous people talking about ships and the like, so dont start crying over it, okay? this is supposed to be a theorized battle plan. you think it worries me that some chairborne commando is going to look at my silly plan and tell me whats wrong with it? im shaking in my ****ing boots mate. go for it, if it makes you feel special, tell me whats wrong with my plan and call me an idiot, i could care less. get a life, this is the internet. go cry somewhere else. :roll:


now, back to the topic at hand:

I was thinking about this, and figured that maybe hiring some ex-French Foreign Legion / Spanish Foreign Legion guys might be perfect. They are well trained and speak the lingo, and i know for a fact that the FFL take part in alot of african related training / operations, taking care of french interests. Anyway, maybe hiring a couple of them would work nicely. IF i cant get any Southern African guys up, then maybe the FFL / SFL guys could fill in those positions.

Also, there are alot of ex-military russians and eastern european guys who are well trained who might be interested in taking part for a nice paycheck. There is always a choice of mercs in the world, and ex-spetsnaz boys are a force to be reckoned with. maybe a couple of them could even pilot the BMP's i want to use... :D

[Col. Psycho]

When we're finished with EG we should make a plan for Zimbabwe.

give me a shout mate. im currently living in South Africa and i know alot of rather pissed off farmers from Zim, and I could probably get some local information on the place, if i try. :)

[bluffcove]

what is the actual aim?

to lead a ramshackle third world antion as their supreme leader or to pillage the cash from under them?

Military invasions are old news - glabalisation dude thats how you get money off darkies in the back of beyond that no-one cares about, you can do it all from a boardroom with a mobile phone, blood and dust are for losers!

[Hellfish]

what is the actual aim?

to lead a ramshackle third world antion as their supreme leader or to pillage the cash from under them?

Military invasions are old news - glabalisation dude thats how you get money off darkies in the back of beyond that no-one cares about, you can do it all from a boardroom with a mobile phone, blood and dust are for losers!

Read the first post. ;)

[bobbo]

Bobbo's great coup of Ecuatorial Guinea.

100 men devided into:
40 (15 locals) Armed security taken from my own friends. I will give these power and important roles after the coup.
40 (30 locals) Doctor and hospital people. will recruit and train other people to handle the antidote.
5 Military and political advicors to help me control the people.
5 Media Crew. Controlled by me, but should seem independent. Hopefully from a known newspaper etc. These would help me win the people, and if neccessary, people in other countries.
10 (5 locals) Recruiters. Should go around and spread my joyfull message of better times to come. They would get political and military (more soldiers) support for me.

25 mill split into:
100 Guns (300 000$ with ammo)
100 bulletproof vests, uniforms, equipment etc (200 000$)
10 Used Mi8's (10mill)
Antidotes (10mill)
The rest should go to fuel and other stuff.

I would buy most the stuff in africa, to ease the transortation. The rest I will throw on a huge freeking cargoship, possible hijacked by my men.

I would bribe some old soviet scientist to give me some virus that had 1-2 weeks incubation time (spelling?), and after half that time I would gather up voulantairs for the medical work. There's always people that wants to help.

First I would attack the army with my dreadful descease, but I would help them before they die. Let all the people that support the goverment die. I will say that it is a military experiment of the goverment gone wrong. Then I would attack the people. When people start dying from the discease, I would fly in with my choppers and start handing out antidotes in the major cities. My independent press people will spread the word that the goverment f**ked up real bad, and is the source of this outbreak.

Riots willl occour. My people will help the rioters, and gather political support. I will be presented as a guardian angel. When **** really hits the fan for the goverment, me, my friend and my supporters in their army will rush the goverment houses and take control. I will make a statement that I have taken control, everything is safe, and that things will be much better now.

I will spend alot of the tax money (and other income) on helping people where it really shows. That would give me huge support amongs them. I would act as a great person the first few years, and slowly but certain, I would take more and more control, and more and more of the money.

The 6 months of preparation would be used to test the virus, train the armed security forces and for my recruiters to prepare the people to raise against the goverment.

If some of the prices are low, I got the things cheap by making deals about alliances and support in the future.


Questions?

[bluffcove]

you'll kill off the weak.

Those that survive would be the fittest and the strongest and richest with access to healthcare.

[bluffcove]

The first post states the intent is to launch a Coup.

why are we launching a coup, do you just want infamy, power and a title, or do you want the cash?

[Hellfish]

This is getting retarded fast.

[bobbo]

Retarded how?

[wiking]

It's an interesting problem, and a fun theoretical discussion (so long as there's not a actual coup in Equatorial Guinea any time soon, we might all get looked at hard by the FBI and other law enforcements agencys then :) )



I've not done much research on it, or read the whole thread, but i've got one part of the mission ready. My advance team would move into the country posing as a scouting party from a movie company, looking for locations, making connections for extras and generally taking pics and shooting some film. This gives them reason to be just about anywhere and potentially gives them access to places and people that otherwise would be banned for them. Leaving a decent amount of money in diffrent hands and tills is also a good way of making friends.

And setting up logistical supply in country, housing and making allies\recruting locals can all be done under the cover of setting up shop to make a movie.

[bluffcove]

Engineering a virus to specifically target a genotype -

tin foil hat stuff.

[bluffcove]

I've not done much research on it, or read the whole thread, but i've got one part of the mission ready. My advance team would move into the country posing as a scouting party from a movie company, looking for locations, making connections for extras and generally taking pics and shooting some film. This gives them reason to be just about anywhere and potentially gives them access to places and people that otherwise would be banned for them. Leaving a decent amount of money in diffrent hands and tills is also a good way of making friends.

And setting up logistical supply in country, housing and making allies\recruting locals can all be done under the cover of setting up shop to make a movie.

Is anyone else thnking of the Extras part of BHD where you get told that the film crew had the largest military force in north Africa at the time. and one of the seals on set pointed out they had the expertise to take Morroco.

[Toddy]

This is getting retarded fast.

I go off the reservation for 3 days and look what happens, our coup breaks down to involving Finns, Speaking clingon, pink catsuits and monkfish....glad I wasn't part of the landing party :fork:

[Kersh]

Please, let's stay on topic. This is probably one of the best topics I have ever seen on this site, so don't f*ck it up.

[Toddy]

Please, let's stay on topic. This is probably one of the best topics I have ever seen on this site, so don't f*ck it up.

here here mate...pages 1 through 14 should give anyone interested in adding their thoughts an idea of the quality posts that were touched upon in the brain storming session last week.

[Chops]

I'm going to ban the next idiot who posts DH material in this thread. Take it as a strong warning. Read the briefing material begore posting and post intelligently- so bobbo and Col Psycho please refrain from posting your gibberish. Bluffcover- read the briefing materials before posting again.

And any of you who sends me a whiny PM I will instant ban.

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Nice outline Chop's, looking forward to the finished product.

[Chops]

What do you mean 'outline'? I'm an Aussie that's as far as our planning goes... p-)

1. Turn up
2. Kill everyone
3. Get a brew on/sink a few tins
4. Marry some of the locals

[Toddy]

ANZAC diggers are the best fighting force in the world...point out where we go in and we go in :)

[Hellfish]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

What do you mean 'outline'? I'm an Aussie that's as far as our planning goes... p-)

But what about the details, such as Liquor stores, pubs, RSLs, rugby paddocks, fish and chip shops...

[Toddy]

But what about the details, such as Liquor stores, pubs, RSLs, rugby paddocks, fish and chip shops...

don't forget the TAB:roll:

[Toddy]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

Exactly tell us where to go and we go, regardless of the risk

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Gallipoli. (I kid, I kid... ;) )

Not our idea, not our fault.

[Ironsight06]

Just a question. Would it be possible to fire (120mm) mortars from the ship?

[Chops]

Theoretically possible I suppose. Really doubt your accuracy from any moving platform- even at anchor. And although I haven't looked at nav charts and thus have no idea how close you could bring commercial shipping in, I'd want to keep the freighter as close to international waters as much as possible.

Why not land them at a secured beachhead and fire your indirect support from there?

[bobbo]

Ok. Sorry for the klingon and catsuit stuff, but the rest of my plan is serious.

Edited it

[Beowulf]

Take the money, buy real estate in the target country, sell all you suckers out to the HN government for 50k a piece, and become the head of the intel agency for the country. Like the bad guy in "clear and present danger" I could even get a cool accent.

Beo Out.

[Beowulf]

a bit more seriously, is the funding one time lump sum? Or can we allow for some funding for prep.

I'd like at least 1-2 years of dedicated IO, intel campaign. It would have to be very subtle, but done effectively would pay dividends in the long run.

or just type in "iddqd"

[Hydro]

a bit more seriously, is the funding one time lump sum? Or can we allow for some funding for prep.

I'd like at least 1-2 years of dedicated IO, intel campaign. It would have to be very subtle, but done effectively would pay dividends in the long run.

or just type in "iddqd"



Don't forget "idkfa", not only will you have unlimited weapons for the op, you have access to every restricted Govt zone (Red, Blue AND Yellow keyed areas).

[Hellfish]

a bit more seriously, is the funding one time lump sum? Or can we allow for some funding for prep.

I'd like at least 1-2 years of dedicated IO, intel campaign. It would have to be very subtle, but done effectively would pay dividends in the long run.

or just type in "iddqd"

Unknown about the funding. Go with what you want and see what you can do with it.

The operation should be prepped for a go within 6 months of signing your contract. You may have some time after that 6 months, but don't count on it.

And clue me in... "IDDQD?"

[Col. Psycho]

I'm going to ban the next idiot who posts DH material in this thread. Take it as a strong warning. Read the briefing material begore posting and post intelligently- so bobbo and Col Psycho please refrain from posting your gibberish. Bluffcover- read the briefing materials before posting again.

And any of you who sends me a whiny PM I will instant ban.

uhm, with all due respect may i please ask what part of my plan is gibberish? i believe personally that MY plan can work, i actually take offense that someone else would insult my plan because they havent taken the time to read it and cant respect that someone else would do things differently.

The only negative thing i've said within this thread would be to that character who thought empty threats would affect me.

I made a valid point after that when i mentioned that maybe using ex-FFL and ex-SSL members would do well for the attack because the local EG populace spoke french and spanish. i also mentioned that ex SF from eastern european / russian militaries would be handy because they are extensively trained, and if i had to use them in MY plan, im sure it would be possible to find a few BMP IFV crewmen.

I am trying to partake in this thread as best i can but every time i mention something or i do something i am told nothing will work or my plan is "gibberish". Thanks for welcoming a new person to the MP.Net boards, you guys really know how to make someone feel welcome. :-(

And if you feel the need to ban me for stating all of this, Chops, then clearly something isnt kosher with administration...

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Now, i'm going to try and carry on with the topic.

Who exactly is the guy who goes and gets his treatment every month? if he is important enough, maybe shooting down his plane when he leaves would be possible, using black-market Stingers / Strela's. I believe that if done from a stolen fishing boat that can be destroyed afterward, we could use this as a key way of removing someone in power. If we could somehow get a hold of flight charts to find out where he flies from and what his flight plan is, maybe it would be possible.

im just thinking of different ways to work on this. your opinions? :D

[Col. Psycho]

Unknown about the funding. Go with what you want and see what you can do with it.

The operation should be prepped for a go within 6 months of signing your contract. You may have some time after that 6 months, but don't count on it.

And clue me in... "IDDQD?"


Those are the cheat codes for the original Doom series, :D

IDDQD = God Mode.
IDKFA = Keys, Firearms, Ammo.
IDSPISPOPD = Some other random stuff.

and a whole other list which i cant seem to remember off by heart anymore, lol. :P

[Icarus1]

Switzerland could act as "neutral" money provider or holder... we got experience with that.

We got the "Bank for International Settlements" in my city. The central bank of all central banks. So large amounts of money transfers aren't a problem.

How much do you need for the coup and which countrys bank reserves should we cancel :-)

[James]

Col. Psycho,

You should learn more about other members here before you start with the attitude.

Calling Ngati a chairborne commando is rich.

[Chops]

uhm, with all due respect may i please ask what part of my plan is gibberish?

Uhm, all of it?

i believe personally that MY plan can work, i actually take offense that someone else would insult my plan because they havent taken the time to read it and cant respect that someone else would do things differently.

I read it. It's gibberish.

The only negative thing i've said within this thread would be to that character who thought empty threats would affect me.

Yes well done there sunshine- great way to introduce yourself.

I made a valid point after that when i mentioned that maybe using ex-FFL and ex-SSL members would do well for the attack because the local EG populace spoke french and spanish. i also mentioned that ex SF from eastern european / russian militaries would be handy because they are extensively trained, and if i had to use them in MY plan, im sure it would be possible to find a few BMP IFV crewmen.

And how are these Eastern European/Russian SF and the French and the Spanish going to communicate? Sign language? And you've got less than six months to work up their wildly differing contact drills and patrolling SOPs into a cohesive whole once you get them signing?

Oh and yes a seaborne landing with BMPs into a country with next to zero functional light armour. How did I forget that bit?

I am trying to partake in this thread as best i can but every time i mention something or i do something i am told nothing will work or my plan is "gibberish". Thanks for welcoming a new person to the MP.Net boards, you guys really know how to make someone feel welcome. :-(

Boo hoo- here's a tissue. Take a look at the earlier pages of this thread- that's called solid, constructive debate and discussion. Then read your posts. Gibberish?

And if you feel the need to ban me for stating all of this, Chops, then clearly something isnt kosher with administration...

I haven't actually but I have given you your first infringement for completely disregarding my warning about posting in this topic. Keep it up and you'll be a rapidly fading bad smell. Oh no, now you're on a short little break because dear Mr Flagg took exception to your wildly hilarious 'chairborne commando' comment to Ngati. Oh dear.

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Now, i'm going to try and carry on with the topic.

Oh hooray, more gibber from the clown prince of gibberers...

Who exactly is the guy who goes and gets his treatment every month? if he is important enough, maybe shooting down his plane when he leaves would be possible, using black-market Stingers / Strela's. I believe that if done from a stolen fishing boat that can be destroyed afterward, we could use this as a key way of removing someone in power. If we could somehow get a hold of flight charts to find out where he flies from and what his flight plan is, maybe it would be possible.

You might get a discount on the MANPADS when you buy all of those BMPs. Hell, they might even throw one in as a loyalty bonus. Maybe the 'black market' is like Bunnings or Homebase right? They might even do free coffee?



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[BloodyTalon]

Damn, this is thread is badass!

Makes we want to write a book about mercs taking over an fictional African nation now.

[Loopster]

Get hurry, I'm working in a publishing house (in spanish is called "Editorial") and in just one yer we realased 5 different books, all fiction. For the next year at least 6 more, and we're looking for more writters, including non-spanish of course ;)

[ed316]

Does anyone know how deep the draft is of the pier?

[TheKiwi]

Best thread ever in the history of MilitaryPhotos. Sorry, I haven't got much to offer, but I do know a bloke who is hard up for cash who knows just about everything you'd need regarding cell networks and the distrupting thererof. (Yes I am aware that this is all just pretend).

Looking forward to seeing some of the final plans.

[TacoDelRio]

Perhaps we can bring some guys in a cargo ship carrying "relief supplies"? ;)

[bluffcove]

The aim is not clear.

A coup d'etat is a means to an end.

Do we want to ahve a junta with funky marches and quasi-1930's uniforms, or do we want to get the cash out of the country? or use the nation as a jumping off point for increasing our influence in the region.

Different tactics would be necessary for each scenario!

[TacoDelRio]

I like the idea of using the "host" nation as a staging point for further operations in surrounding nations.

What the heck does EG have to offer as far as resources to boost our strength? Diamonds, oil, etc?

[Hellfish]

The aim is not clear.

A coup d'etat is a means to an end.

Do we want to ahve a junta with funky marches and quasi-1930's uniforms, or do we want to get the cash out of the country? or use the nation as a jumping off point for increasing our influence in the region.

Different tactics would be necessary for each scenario!

Your job is to replace the current president. How you do it is up to you.


I like the idea of using the "host" nation as a staging point for further operations in surrounding nations.

What the heck does EG have to offer as far as resources to boost our strength? Diamonds, oil, etc?

EG is fairly oil wealthy - unless you're not a friend of the president. Most people live on $1 a day, yet the country has the highest GNP per capita in the world, except Luxembourg.

Host nations are liabilities.

[TacoDelRio]

By host nation, I do not imply that we are simply a tick feeding off the blood of a living organism. I rather meant that once the host country has been subdued, and we basically militarilly control it (insurgency aside), we can use it as a base to "feel around" to see who's the biggest guy in the neighborhood we just moved into. Who we need to keep an eye on.

[mFTES]

It looks like you guys already decided what kind of ship you're gonna use 15 pages back, but I think you should get a better one.

Instead of converting a bulk cargo ship or getting that off-shore supply ship that has its own cranes, why not just get a RoRo with a closed car deck?

Like this: http://www.maritimesales.com/JIA4.htm

It's 1.6 million so it costs twice as much as what it looked like you picked, but the savings in time to unload cargo could be worth it. It also has bunks for 91 passengers (I don't know if that includes bunks for the crew), so hopefully accomodations are taken care of for everyone and not so much time and money has to be spent modifying it.

I've never been on one of these ships before, so I don't know the minimum crew, though. I might also be missing something else (like maybe it would be very suspicious that a RoRo is cruising near EG, compared to a bulk cargo ship)

[TacoDelRio]

I've watched as some ships contracted by Nissan offloaded vehicles in Long Beach harbor. I think it had a ramp like what you posted, but at the stern of the ship.

Perhaps a delivery of Nissans wouldn't look too suspicious? ;)

[goat89]

I've watched as some ships contracted by Nissan offloaded vehicles in Long Beach harbor. I think it had a ramp like what you posted, but at the stern of the ship.

Perhaps a delivery of Nissans wouldn't look too suspicious? ;)
Sounds like a good idea....why not have show girls with it too? :)

[TacoDelRio]

If the show girls are physically fit, can hit a bad guy at Equatorial Guniea jungle ranges, and enjoy monkey meat, then yes, show girls.

[goat89]

If the show girls are physically fit, can hit a bad guy at Equatorial Guniea jungle ranges, and enjoy monkey meat, then yes, show girls.
HOOAH! Female Rangers are a GO! :) Now lets get into Topic....

[Demigod-17]

I've watched as some ships contracted by Nissan offloaded vehicles in Long Beach harbor. I think it had a ramp like what you posted, but at the stern of the ship.

Perhaps a delivery of Nissans wouldn't look too suspicious? ;)

apparantly they have folding 81mm mortars in the boot now and hooks in the inside of the roof for holding firearms, could prove to be a useful cover up.

i still cant think of a whole plan, i want 10 Defender pickup double cab in 130 wheelbase, 4 as mobile 81mm mortar bases(4 men per vehicle, 1 2man mortar team, 1 gunner and a driver.) 6 as transport (all have mounted PKM's. 2 Mi8's for recon and airborne drops. VRC-353 Radio's in all Vehicles, PRC-349 by the troops 1 per 8 man section, i sopose im going to have to steal the cargo ship idea too, im sticking with droping 4 snipers on to rooftops around the presidential palace, there will be gaurds on duty and silenced weapons would be nyon impossible to get outside of pistols, building a suppressor out of a plastic tube might work so could try that on some AK-74S, now this bit is where i get stuck for idea's, i had thought of using a mortar and blowing a hole in the roof and dropping 8 men in the roof with suppressed AK's (the alternative was giving a sniper an RPG aswell and have him blow a hole), and have some attack to the palace with regular AK's and RPK's, the snipers will make sure the president doesn't escape, not quite sure wether the president is better alive or dead to start, but he will die in the end, then take the Hospital and other less gaurded HVT's, and have 1 troop move to the military base and take the Mi24's (my troops will be 3 sections of 8 men) (i'll have 4 troops, each of 24 men, 1 will be mortar and choppers only, the others will be regular infantry)


edit: PKM's are only because they will be easier to get than DShK's if they are available, even better.

[TacoDelRio]

What about a possible hospital vessel? We'd probably need to devote a healthy chunk of said boat as a medical center, just to deal with whatever fancy funky tropical illnesses are out there.

And a really, really, really big cooler.

[Demigod-17]

What about a possible hospital vessel? We'd probably need to devote a healthy chunk of said boat as a medical center, just to deal with whatever fancy funky tropical illnesses are out there.

And a really, really, really big cooler.

the cooler isn't needed they can live from rations (yum yum, kendal mint cake[/sarcasm]) and comfort isn't compulsary, there will be immunisations for the airborne disease's, anything else can be treated at the hospital

[Hellfish]

Loopster - do you know where the local barrack is around Malabo?

[Loopster]

My Google Earth is working too bad right now, but I'll give you the positions whenever I can. ;)

There are two military/security camps "closing" the access to Malabo, one is also covering the roads to Luba (main port) and the airport. The other is guarding the road to-from Rebola, which is the way to Basillé satcom station.


By the way, the cooler is soooooooooooo important, I can tell you by first hand that Malabo is a very hot city, with humidity up to 80% so many times. I think that my proposal for the HUMINT team to rent a house in Abayak is the best way to provide supplies and medical cares for our woundeds (the local hospital is not to much "safe")

More intel questions?

[Mr Kaizer]

Hi! First time poster, long time lurker.

How quickly can we expect an organized military response from the barracks or from the mainland? Are we hoping that the whole army will surender when we capture the president?

[bluffcove]

The president isnt popular in his country, that measn if we decapitate the state then every one with a grudge or an idea of self worth will start exercising locl control.

Expect resistance from thE army!

and every oppressed warlord.

we need alliances inside the nation before adding ourselves to the mix.

which tribes have what greivances?

[Mr Kaizer]

From Wikipedia:
Obiang is suffering from terminal prostate cancer, amongst other illnesses, is reported to weigh as little as 50kg, and is said to be existing in agony (see [5]).
The issue of succession is dominating the country, with a political struggle within the Equatoguinean elite. Obiang wants his son Teodorín Nguema Obiang, who reportedly lives a frequently irresponsible lifestyle. Someone with loyalty to the regime may be designated by the PDGE from within the Esangui clan. There is even a possibility that fully democratic rule will come to the country for the first time, but this is probably the most unlikely scenario.
In November 2005, Obiang held an important meeting with the PDGE, in which it was believed that he intended to create a position of vice president and fill that position with his son. His worsening medical condition demands he travel abroad twice a month, leaving the country more vulnerable to coups.
He is expected to hand over to his son in 2006 - a move opposed by the other main contender: Armengol Ondo Nguema. He also held a private meeting with Pope Benedict XVI in December 2005


We could take advantage of this. Talk to this Nguema, get his support. He has been involved in a coup atempt before. He could suply us with intel on the presidents movements, talk to the tibes and so on.

[ed316]

Please read the first 16 pages before posting. Many, I say agian, many intel have been repeated over and over.

[Hellfish]

Finalizing my plan now. Will post soon.

[TacoDelRio]

the cooler isn't needed they can live from rations (yum yum, kendal mint cake[/sarcasm]) and comfort isn't compulsary, there will be immunisations for the airborne disease's, anything else can be treated at the hospital

Cooler is for beer. Don't leave home without it.

[BloodyTalon]

Finalizing my plan now. Will post soon.

Can i use it as the base for my book? :D

[Hydro]

i still cant think of a whole plan, i want 10 Defender pickup double cab in 130 wheelbase, 4 as mobile 81mm mortar bases(4 men per vehicle, 1 2man mortar team, 1 gunner and a driver.)



Unless you're planning on using the mortars and teams in a dismount role, I'd watch using 81's from a flatbed 4x4. The recoil would bounce on the soft (for weapons use) suspension and throw your accuracy to sh*te. It'd knock the cack out of the trucks too, you don't want them to go U/S halfway through a fire mission through cracked struts, axles etc.

[Hellfish]

OK, bear with me. Probably too long and too detailed and missing some detail as well...

OPERATIONS ORDER

References: MAP : See attached

Time Zone Used Throughout the Order: Local


TASK ORGANIZATION :

Command Cell: 5 Pers
Operational CO
XO
2 Radio Operators (locals)
Local Advisor

Procurement Cell: (attached to Command Cell during op) 3 Pers
Team Leader (foreign)
2 Foreigners (local/TCN)

HUMINT Cell: (attached to Command Cell during op) 3 Pers
Team Leader (foreign)
2 HUMINT specialists (foreign or local) (attached to inf sections during op)
Local sources developed by HUMINTers

SIGINT Cell: 3 Pers
Team Leader (foreign)
2 SIGINT specialists (locals)

Transport Cell: 11 Pers
6 Ship’s crew (depends on specific ship crew requirements)
3 drivers/boat handlers/mechanics (locals)
2 boats, 12 vehicles. All stowed on freighter.

Recce Section: 8 Pers
4 X 2 man Dets, set up Obs on HVTs, provide sniper support

Infantry Sections X 5: 35 Pers
1 Section Leader (foreign)
1 2IC (PKM) (local)
5 Riflemen (local) (AKs, RPKs, RPGs)


Assault Section x 3: 24 Pers
1 Section Leader (foreign)
1 2IC (local)
6 Riflemen (various CQB weapons)

Mortar Section: 7 Pers
1 Section Leader (foreign)
3 Mortar gunners (foreign) (60mm or 81/82mm mortars)
3 Assistants (local)



TERRAIN AND WEATHER

OBSTACLES: Objectives in dense urban terrain, bordered on two sides by water. Outside of objective area, dense jungle with scattered settlements and unimproved roads.

KEY TERRAIN:
1.Landing site
a.Alpha: Improved pier in isolated area
b.Bravo: Basic pier, restricted by tidal flats (needs high tide)
c.Charlie: Improved pier in populated/industrial area

2.Airport
3.Objective Area
4.Mortar Firing Point (and alternate firing points)
5.Ambush Location


1. SITUATION

a. Enemy forces.

(1) Disposition, Composition, and Strength

(a) Disposition: Enemy forces in and around Malabo mostly in static security posture. Forces concentrated around Guinean mercenary base south of airport and Moroccan mercenary barracks near objective area.

(b) Composition: Mostly light infantry or lightly armed security forces. Most oriented toward close protection/close combat with minimal heavy weapons capabilities.

(c) Strength: Estimated 50-100 Moroccan mercenaries for regime protection. Possibly 100 police/gendarmes with some French training within city. 200-300 Guinean mercenary troops at military base outside of city. Possibly up to 100 additional armed individuals in city (Military HQ personnel, private security guards, etc.)

(2) Capabilities:

Maneuver: Some light jeep-type vehicles. No known armored vehicles. Private helicopters at the airport. Two Mi-24s known to be on the mainland.

Fire Support: Light or Medium mortars, possibly some medium field artillery. Probably not proficient or with adequate stocks of ammunition.

Intelligence: Good HUMINT capabilities. Minimal SIGINT or ELINT.

Mobility, Countermobility, Survivability: Likely simple traffic barricades and sandbagged positions. No mines expected.

Air Defense: Small arms, possibly a small number of 12.7 or 14.5mm AAA. Small possibility of MANPADs.

Combat Service Support: Minimal. Do not expect enemy forces to be well armed or equipped. It is believed that enemy forces are not issued significant quantities of ammunition.

Command and Control: Unencrypted military radios. Probably some reliance on landline, cellular and/or satellite phones.

(3) Most Probable Course of Action:

Moroccan troops will likely attempt to defend/delay against friendly forces in order to evacuate key regime members. Local security forces may or may not resist our efforts, they will probably offer sporadic resistance. Guinean troops will likely attempt to reinforce capital city and/or secure the airport to allow NVT evacuation.


(4)Most Dangerous Course of Action:

Moroccan troops are able to gain fire superiority on us, forcing a land route out of the government compound to the airport. Guinean troops are able to avoid/defeat our ambush attempts and breakthrough to relieve the attack on the government compound. Enemy Mi-24s are able to operate freely.

b. Friendly Forces

All organic.

2. MISSION:
Remove the current regime of Equatorial Guinea and install a new government.

[Hellfish]

3. EXECUTION

Intent:

- Eliminate all current members of the regime and HVTs
- Ensure security and safety of current oil operations
- Install new leader
- Preserve existing infrastructure
- Avoid collateral damage

a. Concept of the Operation.


We will accomplish this operation by landing from our support vessel, conducting a rapid movement to the objective area, cordon off the objective area and swiftly and violently sanitize the objective area.

The decisive point is the assault on the objective area. This is decisive because the existing regime members are concentrated there, and they are the center of power in the country.

Three infantry sections will seal off the southern section of the objective area. Sniper OPs will secure the eastern landward section of the objective area. The assault sections will rapidly assault the Presidential Palace and attempt to drive enemy personnel toward the southern infantry sections. Snipers will call in supporting fires, pick off enemy resistance and block enemy attempts to escape via the hospital complex.

One infantry section will provide observation of the airport, utilizing harassing fire and mortars to prevent the use of aircraft to support evacuation or escape of the regime. A contingency plan exists to shut down the main runway.

One infantry section will block the road and ambush any responding troops heading towards the capital. Alternately, this section will provide reinforcements as needed.

The purpose of fires is to support the assault on the objective area, denying the use of the airport, and interdiction of any reinforcing military units.

The end state of this operation is all HVTs are accounted for and/or eliminated and a new leader is in place.
(1) Timeline.

D-180 Days: Mission authorized
Procurement and recruiting operations commence

D-150 Days: HUMINT Cell introduced to target country. Operations to cultivate local informants and gather intel begin. Cell identifies patterns and locations of HVTs. Acquires 1-3 safe houses.

D-120 Days: All personnel required should be recruited.
Acquisition of primary naval transport should be accomplished.
SIGINT Cell introduced to target country and sets up shop in safe house. Begin monitoring, identifying and classifying local communications traffic.

D-90 Days: Initial intelligence briefing from HUMINT and SIGINT teams.
Infantry sections form in various isolated third-country locations. Begin training, familiarization and skills cross training.

D-30 Days: Ship arrives in designated third country port. Loading operations commence.
Various sections and cells assemble in West African ports for embarkation.
Commander arrives in Malabo. Conducts advance recon.

D-15 Days: Ship transits West African coast. Transport cell picks up personnel at night ferrying them to the ship.

D-5 Days: Ship arrives off of Bioko.

D-4 Days: Recce section goes ashore with their gear. Stay in second safe house. Conducts recon of their OPs and proposed landing sites.
Each infantry section leader and 2IC goes ashore. Spend day and night conducting leader’s recon. Return to ship late night.

D-3 Days: Vehicles and zodiacs loaded and prepped for disembarkation. All gear and weapons prepared.

D-2 Days: Prepped for “Go” code. Last chance to cancel or delay mission.

D-1 Day: Recce section moves to landing beaches. Prepare to secure the piers and route to Malabo.

D-6 hours: Final landing site designated. Local recce team remains in place, remaining recce teams move to their OPs.

D-1 hour: Zodiacs loaded and launched with two infantry sections to reinforce the recce team at designated beach.

0130 local: Ship docks at pier, begins unloading vehicles and personnel

0200 local: Vehicles and their personnel depart.

0205 local: Airport team detaches and moves to their assembly area.

0220 local: Mortar and ambush teams detach and move to their positions.

0230 local: Main assault force approaches objective area with staggered timing or via secondary routes.

0245 local: All forces should be in place.

0300 local: Assault commences.

0305 local: SIGINT and HUMINT teams move to and secure TV/Radio complex. Begin PSYOPS broadcasts.

0400 local: Objective area secured. Consolidation and security operations begin.

0500 local: Identify and release political prisoners.

0700 local: Airport Secure. Objective area secure. Begin process of locating, transporting and installing new government.

(2) Reconnaissance and Surveillance.
HUMINT and SIGINT cells will conduct intel preparations for the operation. Arrival of recce section will allow for constant eyes-on surveliance of targets and locations as required.

(3) Intelligence.

Primary interest is locations, routines, and security for HVTs
Secondary is security of planned landing sites, battle positions, routes and OPs.

Tertiary is location, strength and reliability of local military units not directly involved in the security of the HVTs.

b. Tasks to Maneuver Units.

1) 1st Infantry Section (Airport)

a) Occupy airport assembly area NLT 0215.
b) Occupy battle positions Whale and Tiger NLT 0245
c) Deny use of airfield to enemy and noncombatant elements.
d) Be prepared to execute Plan One – disabling section’s organic transport on main runway.
e) Be prepared to secure specific airport facilities and/or specific aircraft as necessary

2) 2nd Infantry Section (Ambush)

a) Occupy ambush position NLT 0245
b) Conduct delaying/harrassing actions against enemy forces attempting to reach objective area
c) Reinforce other sections as necessary

3) 3rd, 4th, 5th Infantry Sections (Cordon)

a) Occupy Battle Positions Lion, Zebra and Hawk NLT 0245
b) Support Assault Sections with fire
c) Be prepared to assist with the assault and/or to stop enemy forces and HVTs from exiting the objective area

4) Assault Sections

a) Be in position to assault via AA Red or AA Blue NLT 0245
b) Assault and clear Presidential Palace
c) Assault and clear buildings in the compound.
d) Deny enemy movement within the objective area.
e) Locate PIR

5) Recce Section

a) Conduct pre-landing reconnaisance of objective area, landing beaches and Ops
b) Conduct constant surveliance of HVTs and objective area beyond D-4
c) Provide precision and harrassing fires during assault
d) Provide observation for mortars

c. Tasks to Combat Support Units

1) HUMINT Cell

a) Develop and cultivate intel
b) Develop Psyops plan
c) Conduct initial recon of key terrain
d) Sieze and control local communications infrastructure and conduct psyops.
2) SIGINT Cell

a) Develop intel picture
b) Identify and classify local communications traffic
c) Locate and identify local communications infrastructure
d) Seize and control local communications infrastructure and conduct psyops.
3) Procurement Cell

a) Identify and aquire weapons, equipment, supplies and transportation as necessary
b) Transfer/Transport equipment securely and efficiently
c) Conduct combat operations as required

4) Transport Cell

a) Operate ship as required
b) Transfer/Transport equipment securely and efficiently
c) Drivers/mechanics provide CASEVAC and resupply missions as necessary.

5) Mortar Team

a) Occupy firing position (or alternate position as needed) NLT 0230
b) Be prepared to conduct supporting fires NLT 0245
c) Maintain local security
d) Minimum ammo package: 120 HE rounds, 24 Illum, 12 smoke

[Hellfish]

4. SERVICE SUPPORT

a. General.

b. Material and Supply

(1) Supply:

Resupply will be conducted as needed.
Individuals should have 3 days’ rations.
Stores will be stored on ship or locally procured

(2) Transportation:

(a) Organic vehicles are primary transportation.
(b) Commandeer vehicles as needed

(3) Services.

(a) Deceased are to be collected, if possible, and transferred to local morgue or to the ship.

(4) Maintenance.

(a) If a vehicle is destroyed or disabled, commandeering civilian vehicles is authorized.


c. Medical Evacuation and Hospitalization

(1) All personnel should be CLS qualified
(2) Minimum of one trained medic per section
(3) When not transporting troops, any and all vehicles should be utilized as ambulances.
(4) Civilian ambulances and hospitals are authorized aid stations
(5) Non-critical casualties will be evacuated to the ship after stabilization
d. Personnel

1) EPW's

(a) Uniformed EG native troops are to be disarmed and secured until affiliation is determined
(b) Non-Western foreign troops working for EG military are not to be taken prisoner.
(c) Any Western advisors will be disarmed and secured until end of operations.
(d) Civilians of interest are to be disarmed/detained until affiliation is determined.

e. Civil-Military Cooperations.

(1) Immediate curfew until further notice.
(2) Any non-HVT civilians are not to be harmed.
(3) Minimize collateral damage at airport and outside of Objective Area.
(4) Commandeering of vehicles is authorized.
(5) Non-loyalist security forces must maintain control of population.

f. Miscellaneous.

(1) Any valuables found in objective area are considered authorized loot.
(2) Complete and total destruction of objective area is authorized.
(3) Destruction of objects symbolic of the former regime is authorized.

5. COMMAND AND SIGNAL

a. Command

1) The company CP is located vic BP Zebra during assault.
2) The succession of command is CO, XO, Assault Section Leader 1, 2 , 3, Infantry Section Leader 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

b. Signal.

1) SOI in place

[Hellfish]

I gotta run now, I'll post maps when I get back.

[bluffcove]

OOOh a proper set of orders! :D :D :D

actions on?
CEI?

Possible advice - take deceased to ship, as local morgue will otherwise become a drain on manpower. (no pun)

[Hydro]

(1) Any valuables found in objective area are considered authorized loot.
(2) Complete and total destruction of objective area is authorized.




I like it! When do we leave? :)

[bluffcove]

Are we allowed knives on the plane down there?

[TheKiwi]

I don't know about the rest of you lot, but I got wood reading Hellfish6's plan. Mighty fine it is.

[Hellfish]

Feel free to pick it apart, please! I just used a normal US opord with chunks of it cut out.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5358/opplan1dw9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Ship
Landing Locations
Main Force
Airport Section

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4739/opplan2fd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Main Force
Blocking Force
Recce Section
Axis Red
Axis Blue
Objectives

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6812/opplan3ze0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Main Force
Mortars
Ambush Section

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5168/opplan4ip9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Airport Section with AA and Battle Positions
Contingency Plan One (block runway with land rover)

[Ngati Tumatauenga]

Generally, it looks like a workable plan. A couple of points though.

Actions on, as already mentioned. You live or die on your actions on.

Also, what's your detailed plan for the assault on the primary objective?

[Chops]

Exceptional work Hellfish- that's solid mate- better than a lot of real ones I've seen!

[Beowulf]

Exceptional work Hellfish- that's solid mate- better than a lot of real ones I've seen!

sadly true.

This would be a lot more fun if it weren't the internet, and we were sitting around having beers....and everyone was in the military....with a clearance....

then we could really come up with some cool ideas.

edit: I just saw the actual OPORD part and not just the google earth maps...that's damn good...for a cake eating civilian anyway.

[perdurabo]

WOW just WOW mate you basicly planned everything out you just need money hmm we have around 25 000 users worldwide each of them giving ~1 000 $ and we have MilitaryPhotos.net country! not to mention that you could easli recruit here your force and later on all goverment agendas heads...

[Masai]

I think we can go with Hellfish's Plan...



PS President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo of Ecuatorial Guinea would like to see everyone who posted in this thread, in his office on monday... :)

[Hellfish]

Hahahaha... I was an infantryman, but I credit my one year in college as an ROTC weenie for my opord skills. Maybe I should have stuck with that career (ironically I dropped the course in 2000, after I figured I'd never get sent to war anyway and didn't want to spend 6 years pushing paper at Fort Hood). :)

Anyways, Actions on. I purposefully left them off because I'm unsure of them. Ideally I'd like my guys to assault through the objective and shoot everyone they see, but there's a bleeding heart inside of me that might not like a bunch of dead women and kids. Whatever might happen with them, all rooms should be flashbanged/fragged and cleared as quickly as possible. Speed is absolutely essential - you gotta get everyone out of your way before those Moroccans can wake up and organize themselves. You might be able to buy a little time with some mortar rounds on their barracks area, but you've still got to prepare for them counterattacking the palace - and while they are counterattacking you don't want one or two stray family members wandering around your rear area with a pistol or shotgun.

If someone wants to make more detailed actions on, be my guest. Most of my experience with that is dealing with notional enemy positions in a forest or hilltop, not an urban environment. I know how to check bodies for PIR and ****y traps, but thats probably not adequate here. I don't know how realistic it is to quickly one could clear a structure with 24 men.

For assaulting objectives, Paris (what we've IDed as presidential palace) is primary target to be hit by all three assault sections at once. Clearing that, sections either hold in place to defend against a counterattack or, IMO the more likely course of action, they pursue the fleeing enemy (I imagine a lot of confusion and panic would be occuring - half naked people trying to run from the sounds of gunfire and right into the blocking sections).

Objective Tokyo would be taken by at least one section, who conduct a bounding movement from Paris. It looks like a nice little villa, but more importantly is looks like it has pretty good fields of fire all around it. It'd be a dominating position, I think, that would deny the use of the main access road into and out of the area.

Axis Red is primary Axis of Advance (it looks like that dock is a little lower than the road next to it, offering a good, fast covered and concealed approach route right into the front door of the palace). Axis Blue is secondary - it looks like it offers a good covered and concealed route into the backyard of the palace, but if you get caught in one of those clearings or at the creek crossing you're gonna be in trouble.

[Loopster]

Objective Tokio is the Yacht Club of Malabo, a good objective beacuse is the "house of love" for too many regime's VIP members ;)

Also BP Ostrich should move about 100m to the East, to block the main bridge over Consul River. BP Zebra sure have to move quickly from there to the next group of houses, or they'll be trapped in a guetto style district (that district is called Antiguo Lamper).

I agree totally with main part of the plan, but I'll look more for just two forces assaulting the palace complex (heli.insert in the spots behind complex and a motorized group), and another team to seize Basillé, to avoid the calling of backups.

By the way, if you need someone for HUMINT team... :D

[Hellfish]

Objective Tokio is the Yacht Club of Malabo, a good objective beacuse is the "house of love" for too many regime's VIP members ;)

Also BP Ostrich should move about 100m to the East, to block the main bridge over Consul River. BP Zebra sure have to move quickly from there to the next group of houses, or they'll be trapped in a guetto style district (that district is called Antiguo Lamper).

I agree totally with main part of the plan, but I'll look more for just two forces assaulting the palace complex (heli.insert in the spots behind complex and a motorized group), and another team to seize Basillé, to avoid the calling of backups.

By the way, if you need someone for HUMINT team... :D

Good intel. Consider the plan changed accordingly, except for the helo. While I can understand the desire to have a helo, I don't see it being particularly doable. It's hard to hide a helicopter on a ship in fairly busy waters. I think it could be done, but I'd like to see what others have planned with their helos. :)

[wiking]

How are we set for medics\doctors and how can you get a hold off medications such as antibiotics, penicillin, morphine and other painkillers etc.?

Payment to all participants (the non-local ones) is to be made from a Swiss bank account. Payment is set up via. a lawyer who holds a signed contract (no spesifics, just that person A is to receive X amount of money per month for Y months.) Minimum employment duration is 6 months from date of hiring, payment is made for every month of service, stopped in case of death, disability due to wounds or sickness or discharge for any reason. On successfull completion of the mission, personel no longer needed is discharged with their 6 months pay + a success bonus, personel with skills or roles still needed are rehired.

Personel killed or wounded in action, or permanently disabled due to illness or wounds receives pay along the lines of disability pay, all medical expenses covered and in case of death, the family or next of kin (as listed in that persons contract) receives this payment.

Local personel are payed in cash, dollars, pounds or Euros depending on what we use locally. Local currency may also be used, but they are valued at over 500 francs per dollar, so makes it poor stuff to use.

Drinking and drug use is not tollerated (drunkeness is not tollerated, a few beers off duty goes).

Enforcing diciplin is going to be a bitch when we don't have any articles of war or the likes to back it up, so strict rules and swift punishment will be necessary, without damaging moral or diciplin.

[Loopster]

I don't see it being particularly doable. It's hard to hide a helicopter on a ship in fairly busy waters.

My idea doesn't need to hide none helicopter in none ship. Just to hire a couple of civilian ones from the companies who operate in Bioko Island, let them waiting in Malabo airport (remember that my plan is via airborne insertion, not by sea) for the D-day. When our team arrives to Malabo just jail the civilian pilots you hire and take your own pilots.


How are we set for medics\doctors and how can you get a hold off medications such as antibiotics, penicillin, morphine and other painkillers etc.?

A good resource for medications will be the hospitals of Cameroon (far away betters than any others in Gulf of Guinea), main diseases are yellow fever, malaria and AIDS (so Durex will be needed) :P

About payment, dollars and euros are all well acceptted in EG. Credit cards doesn't work. If more cash is needed quickly, in the airport is a custom's officce with about 90,000$ per day, which are taken from taxes over private flies and operations of oil companies.

[Whitcomb]

Damn good OPORD and maps hellfish, too bad we cant carry this out...

[bluffcove]

Limits of exploitation need to be set on each obj.

I know friendly fire is a habit, but I can see some nasty accidents occuring around the purple - blue forces intersection at Tokyo/Paris.

The Mortar line will require decent defences if it is sited in buildings - if you can spare the rounds for bedding in, using a clearing in the woods might be more suitable.

OP 2 wont see much tat op 1 doesnt, its stuck out on a limb there - is that the direction of likely reinforcements?

Green forces getting to the ambush area relies heavily on no one getting wind of what you are about.

Otherwise an excellent plan.

Is anyone any good at OFP level editor?- to see if we can build this as a model and play it through?

[Hellfish]

Limits of exploitation need to be set on each obj.

I know friendly fire is a habit, but I can see some nasty accidents occuring around the purple - blue forces intersection at Tokyo/Paris.

Purple and Blue are the same thing. Blue is the primary Axis of Advance, Purple is the secondary. We'll either use one or the other, not both.


The Mortar line will require decent defences if it is sited in buildings - if you can spare the rounds for bedding in, using a clearing in the woods might be more suitable.

The mortars are set up in a field kind of isolated from the nearby buildings. 60mm mortars only have a range of about 3500m, so that was the best site I could find with the range to hit most anything. Recon will determine final suitibility, and the mortar guys will have a pair of Rovers to move if need be.


OP 2 wont see much tat op 1 doesnt, its stuck out on a limb there - is that the direction of likely reinforcements?


OP2 covers a possible escape route. OP1 provides additional support to the cordon line. Without OP2 where it is, we might have a huge gap in our lines.


Green forces getting to the ambush area relies heavily on no one getting wind of what you are about.

True. A dozen Land Rovers moving around in the early morning might catch someone's attention, but AFAIK there is no reason to think that they can't reach the ambush position. If someone does get wind and gets the drop on the ambush team, a whole lot of worse things are about to happen.
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[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Nice plan Hellfish, now all you need is the funds. Maybe a wealthy businessman might get heed of this plan of yours and drop you an email? p-)

[Hellfish]

Actually, I'm still waiting for the FBI to wake me up at night with conspiracy charges or something... hehe

[bluffcove]

You are still approaching paris and tokyo simoultaneously from opposite sides - unless Im reading your schematic wrong.

Bravo approaches from the west Charlie descends from the north. Im seeing problems, though it might be me.

[Hellfish]

You are still approaching paris and tokyo simoultaneously from opposite sides - unless Im reading your schematic wrong.

Bravo approaches from the west Charlie descends from the north. Im seeing problems, though it might be me.

No... the Orange guys stay put. The assault teams either use the blue or the purple routes, but they only use one of them.

[bluffcove]

Ahhh clever!

"Options" - that'll confuse me see!

[Ironsight06]

Good plan Hellfish! Wondering though, how are we going to move landinwards? Looks like we are going to need all those men for security in the capital and surroundings. Any plans on how to move on to the inlands?

[Atlantic Friend]

Where / how do you take out that wonderful President Teodoro ?

A factor to take into account could be to wait till he goes to Paris (the real one) for one of his monstrous shopping sprees...

[Hellfish]

Good plan Hellfish! Wondering though, how are we going to move landinwards? Looks like we are going to need all those men for security in the capital and surroundings. Any plans on how to move on to the inlands?

I'll admit I haven't thought of the post-coup plan yet. I was hoping someone might help me with that. I don't think we should disarm the army or security forces - that would be repeating the same mistake made in Iraq, IMHO. In my EPW section, I mention disarming them until political affiliations could be determined - that might involve removing some of the officers and integrating the other tribes into the rank and file.

If the leadership, which is highly centralized, can be removed and replaced fast enough then I think it would limit the dissent we might encounter afterwards, removing the need for our troops to go inland.

[Hellfish]

Where / how do you take out that wonderful President Teodoro ?

A factor to take into account could be to wait till he goes to Paris (the real one) for one of his monstrous shopping sprees...

My plan requires him to be present in the capital. We'll kill him. If we launch while he's abroad, there's the chance that he could use his substantial money to launch a counter-coup from his exile.

[Atlantic Friend]

Then you'll have to off the wholke family - the sons particularly, as you can presume they will have access to the accounts and be eager to try to use part of it to come back to the pig's trough.

I can't remember if there are Western militray forces in neighboring countries - that would be a factor to take into consideration, as you will have to win the friendship of these troops' nation, particularly if said nations are in the middle of negotiating important contracts with the Obiang cla. No sense to win the capital only to be pushed away by Western troops a few weeks later, after all.

Your group has to have an acceptable public face, so as to legitimize it in the eyes of the Guineans, and to have the West's blessings. Who would be your Guinean stooge then ?

[Hellfish]

Then you'll have to off the wholke family - the sons particularly, as you can presume they will have access to the accounts and be eager to try to use part of it to come back to the pig's trough.

I can't remember if there are Western militray forces in neighboring countries - that would be a factor to take into consideration, as you will have to win the friendship of these troops' nation, particularly if said nations are in the middle of negotiating important contracts with the Obiang cla. No sense to win the capital only to be pushed away by Western troops a few weeks later, after all.

Your group has to have an acceptable public face, so as to legitimize it in the eyes of the Guineans, and to have the West's blessings. Who would be your Guinean stooge then ?

Check page 1 for our HVT list ;)

At one point someone identified the leader of the main resistance party. I couldn't find him in the thread. though.

[wiking]

The great risk is that someone decides a mercenary coup in EG is unwanted, and we end up with the French Forign Legion or some other mad buggers i wouldn't like to come up against.

[SBL]

The great risk is that someone decides a mercenary coup in EG is unwanted, and we end up with the French Forign Legion or some other mad buggers i wouldn't like to come up against.


That's when you empty the National Treasury and scoot on over to the airport.

Looks like a good plan, Hellfish.

[Atlantic Friend]

Check page 1 for our HVT list ;)

At one point someone identified the leader of the main resistance party. I couldn't find him in the thread. though.

But do you want him to be your front man ? After all, he leads the opposition party, meaning he isn't that charismatic for the average Guinean on the street, and also that he will have demands and a power base to resist you. Wouldn't your coup be better off without him ?

[Hellfish]

But do you want him to be your front man ? After all, he leads the opposition party, meaning he isn't that charismatic for the average Guinean on the street, and also that he will have demands and a power base to resist you. Wouldn't your coup be better off without him ?

If you've got a suggestion, I'm all ears. I think you'd almost have to have someone with immediate credibility, though. I'm sure in 2, 5, 10, 20 years he'll be a corrupt pig too, but we're only concerned with immediate results.

[Atlantic Friend]

If you've got a suggestion, I'm all ears. I think you'd almost have to have someone with immediate credibility, though. I'm sure in 2, 5, 10, 20 years he'll be a corrupt pig too, but we're only concerned with immediate results.

Just thinking alound here. I'd say the assassination of the leader of the opposition party (or its most powerful local lieutenant), visibly by some government thugs, but maybe by some of your own pawns, would be enough to create a crisis in the country that would legitimate some kind of intervention and at the same time delegitimize the government in place in Western public opinion.

Then you might find some Guinean exile, with next to none local partisans but some potential to be a moral figurehead (and nothing more) for the new regime you are about to put in place. Somebody like a doctor, a lawyer, a scientist - idealisitic and cut from the local political movements.

[Hellfish]

I don't think Equatorial Guinea even registers the faintest reading on western public opinion. I'd almost guarantee that 95% of the people in the west couldn't even find it on a map.

What about a respected local Catholic priest or bishop?

[Atlantic Friend]

I don't think Equatorial Guinea even registers the faintest reading on western public opinion. I'd almost guarantee that 95% of the people in the west couldn't even find it on a map.

That's what Bob Denard thought in his failed Comorres coup ! One should always be wary of the Western opinion's sudden bouts of justice.


What about a respected local Catholic priest or bishop?

A priest, that would be perfect. Moral authority, denouncing governmental abuses, denouncing political parties as not caring for the suffering people, calling for the people to unite behind the new government, the works.

[Hellfish]

Yeah, except the Comoros had close ties with France. Everyone knows you don't **** with France, especially in Africa.

I think a priest would work well, especially as he's probably one of the handful of people in the country you could safely entrust with leadership until elections or a more permanant can be put in place. At the very least, nobody could say that you were replacing one tyrant with another.

The idea for the priest came to me after an article I read that said the only functional institutions in the country were run by the Catholic Church and Spanish missionaries.

[Atlantic Friend]

Yeah, except the Comoros had close ties with France. Everyone knows you don't **** with France, especially in Africa.

But Guinea might find ties with lots of foreign nations, including France, because of its booming oil industry :


The discovery of large oil reserves in 1996 and its subsequent exploitation have contributed to a dramatic increase in government revenue. As of 2004 [8], Equatorial Guinea is the third-largest oil producer in Sub-Saharan Africa. Its oil production has risen to 360,000 barrels/day, up from 220,000 only two years earlier.



I think a priest would work well, especially as he's probably one of the handful of people in the country you could safely entrust with leadership until elections or a more permanant can be put in place. At the very least, nobody could say that you were replacing one tyrant with another.

The idea for the priest came to me after an article I read that said the only functional institutions in the country were run by the Catholic Church and Spanish missionaries.

And there are these bizarre Claretian monks, of course :


Claretian Monks: First lucrative mission established in Equatorial Guinea during the 1800s. In this country they worship Andrew, Nate, and Dave, the gods of fertility and love.

[SBL]

That's what Bob Denard thought in his failed Comorres coup ! One should always be wary of the Western opinion's sudden bouts of justice.



This is true. You never know who's reading page 9 looking for an easy cause to boost his credibility. In something as sensitive as a coup-attempt, all precautions should be undertaken however unlikely.

[Ironsight06]

I'll admit I haven't thought of the post-coup plan yet. I was hoping someone might help me with that. I don't think we should disarm the army or security forces - that would be repeating the same mistake made in Iraq, IMHO. In my EPW section, I mention disarming them until political affiliations could be determined - that might involve removing some of the officers and integrating the other tribes into the rank and file.

If the leadership, which is highly centralized, can be removed and replaced fast enough then I think it would limit the dissent we might encounter afterwards, removing the need for our troops to go inland.
What about turning to the industrials then? They would only benefit from a stable country. Let them pay for the hire of a private security force or something like that. Could be an idea.

[Atlantic Friend]

Well yes, one mustn't underestimate our love for legality, our wariness of militray coups and our politicians' lust for great, popular causes. So I do think the coup plotters must enjoy at the very least friendly neutrality from nations having economic ties with the current Guinean government AND having troops nearby.

Since you cannot reasonable expect to brief them and get a general green light, then I think the hypothetical coup - let's call it "regime change" - should look entirely legitimate, even beneficial to the Guinean people. It must appear as the answer to some great crisis discrediting both the government and the usual opposition parties.