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hist2004
09-29-2006, 09:04 AM
Richard Miniter: Clinton's grand failure

No wonder the ex-president is so defensive - he had Osama within reach

29sep06

YESTERDAY I asked Chris Wallace if he was surprised. Wallace is the Fox News host who has become the talk of Washington for simply asking Bill Clinton if he thought he did enough to stop Osama bin Laden before the September 11 attacks.

The former president had exploded in a rage at Wallace's question, alleging a conspiracy by America's most watched cable news outfit. He leaned deep into Wallace's personal space, jabbing his finger in his face. And it lasted minute after embarrassing minute.

Yes, Wallace was surprised by both the intensity and the answer.

Clinton's performance, his defenders say, was planned in advance to stiffen his party's spine and teach it how to fight back. Was it planned? "Absolutely not," Wallace told me. Off camera, during the interview, he said he saw Clinton's public relations man waving his arms, demanding that the interview be terminated immediately. At the end of the interview, Clinton was still visibly angry and threatened to fire his PR man if he ever had to endure another interview like that one.

Why is this worth thinking about? Every Bush policy that arouses the ire of the anti-war set - the Patriot Act, renditions, detention without trial and pre-emptive war - is a departure from the Clinton years. Where Clinton and Bush policies overlap - air attacks on terrorist infrastructure, secret presidential orders to kill terrorists, intelligence sharing with allies, seizure of terrorist bank accounts, using police to arrest suspected terrorists - there is little friction. Should America return to Clinton policies or soldier on with Bush's? While finger-pointing is pointless, this debate is important because it is about the future as much as the past.

So it is vital that this debate be honest, but so far it hasn't been. Clinton's outrage at Wallace's question is an attempt to polarise America's memory, to drive partisans to his side. This may be good for Clinton's reputation (and his wife's political prospects), but it is ultimately unhealthy. What we need now is a cold-eyed, dead-sober reckoning of what works against terrorists and what does not.

So let us look at Clinton's war on terror. Thirty-eight days after Clinton was sworn in, al-Qa'ida attacked the World Trade Centre. He did not visit the twin towers that year, even though four days after the attack he was minutes away in neighbouring New Jersey, talking about job training. His only public mention of the bombing was a few paragraphs stuffed into a Saturday radio address, which was devoted to an economic-stimulus package. Those stray paragraphs were limited to reassuring the public and thanking the rescuers, the kinds of things governors say after floods. He did not even vow to bring the bombers to justice. Instead, he turned the first terrorist attack on American soil over to the FBI and forgot about it.

In his Fox interview, Clinton said "no one knew that al-Qa'ida existed" in October 1993 during the tragic events in Somalia. False. Clinton's national security adviser, Tony Lake, told me that he learned of bin Laden in 1993 and by 1994 regularly briefed the president on the terrorist. US Army captain James Francis Yacone, a Black Hawk squadron commander in Somalia, later testified in a US court that radio intercepts of enemy mortar crew firing at Americans were in Arabic, not Somali. While bin Laden's men speak Arabic, warlord Farah Aideed's men did not. CIA and Defence Intelligence Agency reports as well as reports from Ethiopian and Sudanese services placed al-Qa'ida operatives in Somalia at the time.

By the end of Clinton's first year, al-Qa'ida had apparently attacked twice. Al-Qa'ida attacks would continue for every one of the Clinton years, climbing in lethality.

In 1994, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (who would later plan the 9/11 attacks) launched Operation Bojinka to down 11 planes simultaneously over the Pacific, killing about 3000 people. A sharp-eyed Filipina police officer foiled the plot. The sole American response: increased law-enforcement co-operation with the Philippines.

In 1995, al-Qa'ida detonated a 100kg car bomb outside the US military's Office of the Program Manager in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, killing five Americans and wounding 60 more. The FBI was sent in.

In 1996, al-Qa'ida bombed the barracks of American pilots patrolling the "no-fly zones" over Iraq, killing 19. Again, the FBI went in.

In 1997, bin Laden repeatedly declared war on the Western world. In February 1997, bin Laden told an Arab television network: "If someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters." Clinton did not respond.

In 1998, al-Qa'ida simultaneously attacked US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people including 12 American diplomats. The FBI team arrived within days. But this time the law enforcement did not seem sufficient. Thirteen days after the attacks, Clinton ordered cruise-missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan. Here Clinton's critics are wrong: the president was right to retaliate, irrespective of the Monica Lewinsky case.

Still, Operation Infinite Reach was weakened by Clintonian compromise. The State Department feared Pakistan might spot the American cruise missiles lumbering across its air space and misinterpret it as an Indian attack, launching all-out war. So Clinton told the vice-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Joe Ralston, to notify Pakistan's army chief of staff, minutes before the Tomahawks passed over Pakistan. Given Pakistan's links to jihadis at the time, it is not surprising that bin Laden was tipped off, fleeing 45 minutes before the missiles arrived. If Clinton had ordered a different missile trajectory or used aircraft, Pakistan would not have had to be told, and bin Laden might be dead.

In 1999, the Clinton administration disrupted al-Qa'ida's millennium plots, a series of bombings stretching from Amman in Jordan to Los Angeles. This shining success was mostly the work of Richard Clarke, a National Security Council senior director who forced agencies to work together. But the millennium approach was short-lived. Over Clarke's objections, the previous status quo quickly returned.

In January 2000, al-Qa'ida tried and failed to attack the USS The Sullivans off Yemen. (Their boat sank before they could reach their target.) In October 2000, they wouldn't fail. An al-Qa'ida bomb ripped a 12sqm hole in the hull of the USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39. Throughout history, an attack on an American warship has led to war, but not this time.

When Clarke presented a plan to launch a concerted cruise missile strike on al-Qa'ida and Taliban facilities in Afghanistan, every member of the Clinton cabinet voted no. After the cabinet meeting, Michael Sheehan, a State Department counter-terrorism official, sought out Clarke. Both told me they were incredulous. Sheehan asked Clarke: "What's it going to take to get them to hit al-Qa'ida in Afghanistan? Does al-Qa'ida have to attack the Pentagon?"

There is much more to Clinton's record - how the Predator drone plane, which spotted bin Laden three times in 1999 and 2000, was grounded by bureaucratic infighting; how a petty dispute with an Arizona Democratic senator stopped the CIA from hiring more Arabic translators; how Clinton refused to meet his first CIA director for two years - but this is enough to illustrate the point.

Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war and that war often requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural reluctance to use force.

It is a hard lesson. But it is better to learn it from studying the Clinton years than from reliving them.

Richard Miniter is the bestselling author of Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror. His latest book is Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20493502-7583,00.html

Hist2004

signatory
09-29-2006, 09:09 AM
Richard Miniter is the bestselling author of Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror. His latest book is Disinformation: 22 Media Myths that Undermine the War on Terror.

blah blah blah clinton clinton clinton

hist2004
09-29-2006, 09:19 AM
blah blah blah clinton clinton clinton

Thought provoking and sound analysis, we need more deep thinkers on this forum.

Hist2004

signatory
09-29-2006, 09:32 AM
Thought provoking and sound analysis, we need more deep thinkers on this forum.

Hist2004


Sure, help him sell books. It's good for the economy.

Whining over the clinton years... yep yep, never seen that before.

Anything new here? No.

hist2004
09-29-2006, 09:48 AM
Sure, help him sell books. It's good for the economy.

Whining over the clinton years... yep yep, never seen that before.

Anything new here? No.

Clinton tried to re-write history during his interview with Wallace-Miniter
points out the facts Clinton “forgot”.

Hist2004

Dasein
09-29-2006, 09:56 AM
Those 'facts' are often creative interpretation of events, bolstered by rumor and allegations from unnamed sources, some are simply speculation, at least when addressing the causes.

None of those facts are particularly damning, if you look at the context in which the decisions were made.

However, the constant attacks on Clinton go to show just how important a president he was, and how irrelevent Bush is beocming. Clinton, who's been out of office for 6 years, can show a little fire in an interview and all of a sudden, all the media is on Clinton. Goes to show where Bush really stands.

Firetxmi
09-29-2006, 10:48 AM
YESTERDAY I asked Chris Wallace if he was surprised. Wallace is the Fox News host who has become the talk of Washington for simply asking Bill Clinton if he thought he did enough to stop Osama bin Laden before the September 11 attacks.

The former president had exploded in a rage at Wallace's question

"Exploded in a rage"? Did the guy actually see the interview? I think that is overstating it to say the least.

Firetxmi
09-29-2006, 10:54 AM
I also think that its funny that this non-issue warrants at least 3 seperate threads on the same topic....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92597

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92321

demotivater
09-29-2006, 11:19 AM
Good article, thanks hist2004.
One thing I noticed:


Throughout history, an attack on an American warship has led to war, but not this time.

There were at least two other incidents where an attack on a US warship did not lead to war - USS Liberty and USS Stark.

Hollis
09-29-2006, 11:25 AM
There are some errors, the USS Pueblo was attacked and seized by the N. Koreans. NO WAR

AQ does not represent a nation, so who would we go to war with.

The policy was containment. Obviously AQ changed the rules in 2001.

The attacks on Clinton, is probably nothing more to the partisan Political attacks against Bush. Tit for tat.... Bs vs BS.

Clinton was not friendly with the Military and probably discounted any Military solution. Bad or Good, depends on what the furture brings.

By the time Bush was elected, all the "non-military", Political solution has been pretty much exhausted. Bush had very little choice in what to do. Same with Saddam, left no other options. Blame AQ..

vryhpyammoadded
09-29-2006, 11:26 AM
Yet another aspect of this analysis would be the seemingly insane, to me, build down of MI assets from around 94 till his administrations end. I watched a torrential brain drain occur of highly competent officers and NCO’s during this time. The government was throwing money at us to leave. I was one.
With the growing civilian internet boom, wads of cash and bureaucratic frustrations at work, read higher ups seemingly not giving a dam about possible threats (I often suspect maybe they were forcing us out on purpose), we left in droves. Heck, it was the 1990’s, the world keg party! Peace in our time! Yeh, right… (Note: not hindsight and savagely sarcastic)
Around middle 2000 and a year and a half out a friend still in, called and about begged me to come back because of the mountainous work load but I was just out of a very messy divorce, paying through the nose to be rid of the fvcking vampire, recovering from a nasty medical issue and raising two kids on my own.
We even discussed how something “big” was brewing and that people were badly needed. Yes, even many of us little piss ant, bottom feeder, MI worker drones felt it coming.


Clinton did not fully grasp that he was at war and that war often requires overcoming bureaucratic objections and a democracy's natural reluctance to use force.

These words… They really sum up the frustrations I felt as well as others back then quite well.

Great article as always hist2004

Secret Squirrel
09-29-2006, 11:29 AM
An al-Qa'ida bomb ripped a 12sqm hole in the hull of the USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and wounding another 39. Throughout history, an attack on an American warship has led to war, but not this time.


On 12 October 2000, two suicide bombers detonated an explosives-laden skiff next to the USS Cole while it was refueling in Aden, Yemen, blasting a hole in the ship that killed 17 sailors and injured 37 others. No suspects have yet been arrested or indicted. The investigation has been hampered by the refusal of Yemini officials to allow FBI agents access to Yemeni nationals and other suspects in custody in Yemen.

(The USS Cole bombing occurred one month before the 2000 presidential election, so even under the best of circumstances it was unlikely that the investigation could have been completed before the end of President Clinton's term of office three months later.)link (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm)

Hrm...why didnt Bush lead the country to war since the investigation was completed on his watch?;) Thanks for the article and the laugh.:D

2Sheds_Jackson
09-29-2006, 12:16 PM
Good article -though it continues to beat the hopelessly dead horse of the Clinton anti-Presidency. Anybody still wonder what his legacy will be? It's in the eye of the beholder whether failing to recognize that we were at war is any better or worse than simply being sabotaged by his own genitals. :)

XShipRider
09-29-2006, 01:31 PM
I also think that its funny that this non-issue warrants at least 3 seperate threads on the same topic....

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92597

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=92321

There's probably 5 times that many on "Bush lied us into war." How someone
deemed so stupid and incompetent could have pulled the wool over so
many eyes is incomprehensible.

Hiroshima
09-29-2006, 01:41 PM
Competent help? :D

vryhpyammoadded
09-29-2006, 01:43 PM
Hrm...why didnt Bush lead the country to war since the investigation was completed on his watch?;) Thanks for the article and the laugh.:D

Maybe Clinton and Bush are not so different after all? I still say if the coin were flipped, the republicans would be bitching about democrats doing much the same Bush is now once empowered to act by 9/11. Same sh*t different party…

hist2004
09-30-2006, 10:36 AM
Those 'facts' are often creative interpretation of events, bolstered by rumor and allegations from unnamed sources, some are simply speculation, at least when addressing the causes.

None of those facts are particularly damning, if you look at the context in which the decisions were made.

However, the constant attacks on Clinton go to show just how important a president he was, and how irrelevent Bush is beocming. Clinton, who's been out of office for 6 years, can show a little fire in an interview and all of a sudden, all the media is on Clinton. Goes to show where Bush really stands.

I hope this isn’t to “damming” for you, In August of 99, Clinton granted clemency to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist group
FALN. What was his motive? Fighting terror or votes (Puerto Rican) for his wife’s Senate run in New York.

Hist2004

Dronetek
09-30-2006, 10:40 AM
I hope this isn’t to “damming” for you, In August of 99, Clinton granted clemency to 16 members of the Puerto Rican terrorist group
FALN. What was his motive? Fighting terror or votes (Puerto Rican) for his wife’s Senate run in New York.

Hist2004
Shhhhhh, it only matters if its republicans we are talking about.

budgie
09-30-2006, 11:17 AM
Okay let's see how the record stacks up:

Clinton failed to catch bin Laden in the roughly 2 and a half years between the embassy bombings and the end of his term. Nevertheless his intelligence agencies kept tracking al Qaeda movements during that time.

When Bush took office, his agencies ignored the threat. The Presidential daily briefing dated August 6th 2001 was titled 'Osama bin Laden determined to strike US' and this was apparently not important.
http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/newswire/news2004/0401/newswire041104-bin-laden-memo.htm

It has now been FIVE years since 9/11 and BUSH still hasn't caught bin Laden.
It was his watch when it happened and it's his watch now.

What on Earth does Clinton have to do with it any more?

Dronetek
09-30-2006, 11:19 AM
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You forgot the WTC bombing.

Secret Squirrel
09-30-2006, 11:52 AM
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You forgot the WTC bombing.

You mean the bombing in 1993?


Four followers of the Egyptian cleric Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman were captured, convicted of the World Trade Center bombing in March 1994, and sentenced to 240 years in prison each. The purported mastermind of the plot, Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, was captured in 1995, convicted of the bombing in November 1997, and also sentenced to 240 years in prison.

link (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.htm)

Dronetek
09-30-2006, 12:06 PM
Clinton failed to catch bin Laden in the roughly 2 and a half years

That is what I was responding to. He said 2 years, when it was really 5.

Willy
09-30-2006, 12:13 PM
That is what I was responding to. He said 2 years, when it was really 5.

Bin Laden did not have anything to do with 93' WTC bombing.

Hollis
09-30-2006, 12:59 PM
Maybe Clinton and Bush are not so different after all? I still say if the coin were flipped, the republicans would be bitching about democrats doing much the same Bush is now once empowered to act by 9/11. Same sh*t different party…


Vry, I agree, But it is also fun watching the Bush-Bashers squirm..